SIGs/Desktop/Meeting-20070815
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2007 Aug 15 Desktop Meeting
Present
- Matthias Clasen
- Chris Aillon
- Steven Garrity
- David Zeuthen
- Jonathan Blandford
- Christopher Blizzard
- Ray Strode
- Jesse Keating
- Jeremy Katz
- Lennart Pottering
Summary
Agenda
- Organizational questions
- Goals and scope
- Concrete plans for F8 desktop spin
- Longer term plans
Organizational Questions
- do this on a weekly basis?
- Agreement that it's a good idea
- Need to schedule it for every wed @ 2pm EDT (18:00 UTC)
- Can be short meetings if required
Goals
- Based on goals from SIG Page
- targeted spin (livecd) is the entry point and changing a lot of post-install defaults, but upgrades are still done using the normal repo and yum
- mechanism
- concrete examples: networkmanager by default
- extra repo might be required and is controversial - will avoid if possible
- still in the scope of Fedora
- package builds all still come from cvs
- might require a board exception because of seperate repo
- first goal has to be to make a kick ass desktop distro (to be defined later)
- lots of low-to-medium hanging fruit to work on?
- also could do different user experience ala OLPC + Online Desktop
- lots of things that are inappropriate for server installs but we would want to do for desktop
- breaks down into simple configuration and some fundamental choices
- how do we organize our goals around these two sets of items?
- so some of it is doing architecture work and that needs to be called out
- and lots of polish as well (low hanging fruit)
- spending time looking at other distro work is important as well
- how do we put it? finding the balance between polish and infrastructure work?
Set of ideas for activities for the SIG
- Look at what others are doing
- Planning (as resources allow) integration of large arch changes (HAL, others)
- Identify polish, low hanging fruit and opportunity
- Shared laundry list on the wiki? (ala yellow pad bug?)
- Oversee improvements that involve more than one bug/project/app
Decision Making
- how about decision making? who and how?
- have to have someone who can make decisions - matthias is the obvious choice but we're not quite there yet
who is on the sig and interested
- links from the SIG members to blogs might be good
what does the scope of desktop cover?
- first instinct is packages? probably too limiting because it's more than just a package set
- defintion should be based around experience (i.e. boot experience isn't normally desktop, but should be because it affects the experience)
low hanging fruit
- first order of business: send out a list of low hanging fruit to the mailing list and get things kicked off - lots of things to fix!
- fit-and-polish
- Action Item: DavidZ to send out a first list of polish stuff
goals need updating
- (blizzard + matthais + jrb) with new info and also add a section about scope and decision making (AI: Blizzard)
Concrete goals for F8 LiveCD Spin
- kill xfs
- kill pam console
- nm by default
- pa by default
boot process
- can we do stuff with dbus launching instead of from initscripts?
- package up boot chart (AI: Adam Jackson)
- help getting package reviews would help a lot
- set a goal for the boot process? (lots of random discussion here)
- probably something like 20s, but not making progress here
- goal for F8 is to cull unrequired stuff and make the livecd a lot faster for now - can discuss later
user management/guess account
- davidz wants to add it to gdm instead of firstboot
- new gdm coming right after f8
- people think that's a good thing
- some discussion of gdm
- move back to the installer? no thanks
- f-u-s seems like a reasonable thing to do
- guest account prototype - maybe enough time to do it?
time zone changing in clock applet
- assigned to davidz and is pretty easy
