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=== Fedora Remix Mark ===
=== Wallpaper Extras ===


A few weeks ago when the process started, we reported about the request for a secondary trademark design for "Fedora Remix", a process which closed to the decision. On a cross-thread on both @fedora-art and @fedora-advisory-board [[GregDeKoenigsberg|Greg DeKoenigsberg]] opined[1] for leaving the ultimate decision to the Art team "I don't suppose we could just defer to the Fedora Art team to make a decision, since we have set them up to be the authoritative voice on precisely these kinds of matters?" This opinion was backed by a number of other members.
[[IanWeller]] asked[1] on #fedora-art about a better way to handle and package the collection of extra wallpapers gathered from various Fedora contributors "The current gallery system for the Wallpaper Extras isn't working. It doesn't do us good for keeping track of attributions, especially if we start taking lots of outside contributions from Flickr or the like (which I plan on doing soon)" along with his proposal "The entire wallpaper extras framework for submission and tracking will be on the wiki, through MediaWiki's category system. The main category will be [[Category:Wallpaper extras]], which will contain only other categories and unsorted wallpapers.


[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00152.html
Subcategories to that will be along the lines of [[Category:Abstract wallpaper extras]], which can also contain other subcategories if we
want to categorize further. Categories have a built-in gallery setup.


With the decision chain established, the Art team quickly converged[2] to a final design[3] by [[NicuBuculei|Nicu Buculei]] and its usage guidelines[4] by [[MairinDuffy|Máirín Duffy]].
The image page itself (i.e., [[Image:Wallpaper-nicubunu-hay.jpg]]) will contain a template (which we'll need to write) that will contain
information such as the creator, the URL it was taken from (if applicable), and who added it to the wiki, and what license was originally under."


[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00199.html
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00299.html


[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color2.png
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras


[4] https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/29/Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png
[[JohannBGuomundsson|Jóhann B. Guðmundsson]] opted[3] for a contest, possibly held in cooperation with Fedora Magazine[4] "I personally think we should hold a wallpaper contest photo artwork etc with a specific subject/theme in conduction with fedoramagazine each month or so then top 3 picture ( or top in each category ) would be picked added to the wiki and package" while [[NicuBuculei|Nicu Buculei]] argued for RSS feeds instead of votes "My tendency is to decouple packaging and contests. Have the images in a proper gallery and the users can use RSS feeds and see 'best rated', 'most viewed', 'last uploaded' images with no effort. And they really need the packaging? They have the photos open in their browser and Firefox has an 'Set As Desktop Background' command (it appears broken if Firefox/GNOME, but that is just a bug which needs a patch). And from this large pile of images, a packager may make a manual selection with the 'most usable' images (or more packagers can to their own selections and packages)."


=== Echo Icon Theme Future ===
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00300.html


In a long mail to @fedora-art [[MartinSourada|Martin Sourada]] exposed[1] his plans for the future of the Echo icon set "I'd like to focus on (nearly) full coverage of Desktop Live Spin, KDE Live Spin and XFCE Live Spin (others as well, but I don't have them all in memory)". He also pointed to some criticism about the set "we are a lot criticized for inconsistencies in the projection we use in echo" and talked about the various perspectives used "strictly speaking we are using 3 different types of projections and we have rules which is used where and we are pretty much consistent with that", a topic covered also on his blog[2] and proposed a simplification "But on the other side it turns out that having three main types of projections is too much for an icon set and that having two is about the right number."
[4] http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/


[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00229.html
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00324.html


[2] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2008/10/echo-icon-theme-perspective-part-i.html
[[JonathanRoberts|Jonathan Roberts]], the editor of the Fedora Magazine got into the discussion[6] and opined against a reinvention of the wheel "Why reinvent the wheel - why not just take advantage of Gnome look? Or set up a Flickr pool - I think one already exists possibly?" and for a manual image selection for the magazine "With respect to the magazine, I'd be more than happy if someone from
the art team would be interested in doing a monthly post that would share work that members of the art team were involved with - whether it was Fedora related or just created using tools exclusively in Fedora"


Hylke Bons, an Ubuntu developer, weighed in[3] against the isometric perspective in Echo "I'm still not a fan of the isometric view of the bigger icons, i think it causes most of the noise in the icons. Also, I do not see a need for that particular viewpoint", while [[LuyaTshimbalanga|Luya Tshimbalanga]] proposed[4] a simpler perspective for some image sizes "I remember having a discussion with Máirín about setting perspective for 24x24 and less icons. Perhaps applying that illustrated perspectivs to all categories at those sizes might help. Spherical icons will have much impact."
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00327.html


[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00230.html
=== Fedora 4 F's buttons ===


[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00231.html
Following last week's "Four F's" posters made by [[MairinDuffy|Mairin Duffy]] (we covered them in the last issue), [[ClintSavage|Clint Savage]] posted[1] on @fedora-art a set of buttons made in the same style, which were received[2] with open arms "SWEET! I really like the pattern in the background of the logo2 file. Logo3 is really strong, well done!"


=== Sound Themes ===
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00304.html


[[NicuBuculei|Nicu Buculei]] relayed[1] to @fedora-art a blog post[2] where [[LennartPottering|Lennart Pottering]] raised a call for XDG sound themes and also expressed his concerns about how the team may have not encouraged a contributor "I am afraid we may have driven away Chris with the lack of feedback when he tried to create one" and a possible conflict with with the Desktop Team agenda "Also, with the Echo experience fresh in mind, I wonder if we create a new set only to get it called a 'charade' and 'if you think what you're doing is 'value add' that makes Fedora look better than the 'competition' you are wrong'."
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00305.html


[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00235.html
From there the discussion went[2] into printing preparation details "Do you know how to scribus-ify these into print-ready,
color-safe PDF artwork?", which are no problem for Clint "I have done that before many times.  I'll look into doing that
on sunday.  I assume you are referring to the fact that I need to make the images CMYK and making them pdfs so printers won't complain.  I'm capable of doing that :)", the Scribus limitations[4] "However Scribus SVG support is rather flaky and most of the time (except for really simple 'kosher' SVG files) you will get an error stating that some features of the file were not supported. Also it tends to get the size 'wrong', not the actual size of the drawing, but rather it kind of adds an additional 'holding box' to the drawing. My personal recommendation when handling graphics with Scribus would be to export to EPS and then import that into Scribus, or export to bitmap" and the need to use a recent version of the application[5] "You're probably using mrdocs' svn build for Fedora then right? (My head would have gone thru the monitor glass long ago if I was stuck with 1.3.4) If not, you should give it a try, it makes life so much easier!"


[2] http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/free-sound-themes.html
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00308.html


[[WilliamJonMcCann|William Jon McCann]] replied[3] pointing to the lack of quality of the earlier theme proposal "However well intentioned Chris' effort may have been, the results are not suitable for use in a high quality desktop product.  Have you actually listened to the theme that you reference here?" and likened it to the work on icons: "This is the same problem that some of us have with the way the icon theme and background art work has been handled in Fedora. I personally love to see lots of energy and experimentation going on. But at the end of the day we have to be concerned about our audience and how everything integrates into a coherent product" and also on wallpapers: "I think that the desktop wallpapers we've used by default are a good example of this".
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00310.html


[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00246.html
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00314.html


[[MairinDuffy|Máirín Duffy]] felt patronized[4] "I trust that was meant with the best of intentions, so I'm sad to admit I can't help finding this somewhat patronizing, sorry" and likened the open artwork creation with the open code creation "Just as you can't follow a formula like the GNOME HIG and pop out a beautiful, usable interface, you can't follow a formula like the Fedora theme guidelines and pop out a beautiful theme. The magic in between that makes something good is design. I'm quite saddened by the fact that you don't seem to believe this team has or is capable of having that magic, but I suppose to relate it to coding as you did in your message, perhaps not everyone felt Linus had the magic or capability to develop the magic necessary to start a real, usable operating system."
=== Final Fixes for the Solar Backgrounds ===


[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00248.html
[[CharlieBrej|Charlie Brej]] spotted[1] an imperfection in the default Fedora 10 wallpaper "In the 3200x1200 dual screen images there is a column at X=1151 which has a slight transparency. It is in fact very difficult to see it in gimp but it does become visible on desktop backgrounds with a contrasting solid colour behind" and also proposed[2] a patch to decrease the overall size of the backgrounds package "Current solar background's consume 33Mb. This a bit on the heavy side, especially on the Live CD which is over its image limit. Currently there are 4 different images (morning, noon, evening, night) sent out in 4 different sizes (4:3, 16:10, 5:4 and 8:3 for dual screen). What we could do is to send out just one 3200:1200 image and patch up gnome-desktop background handling to support cropping to the right aspect."


[[PaulFrields|Paul Frields]] defended[5] the art team "The Artwork team has always been open, in my experience, to criticism and suggestions about artwork. They exemplify the way Fedora teams work openly and transparently in a cooperative effort. And they've consistently turned out designs that are always solid, and often spectacular, not just for the desktop but for a variety of other uses too" and "At the end of the day, the Fedora Artwork team has been charged with the responsibility of the look and feel of Fedora.  They're expected to do -- and have done -- that work in a community-friendly way, and people who want to have input into the process should do the same."
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00317.html


[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00250.html
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00319.html


[[NicuBuculei|Nicu Buculei]] showed[6] that open art should be developed in the same way as open software "Yes, I listened to the theme and found it not perfect. But know what? It was NOT supposed to be perfect... the 'release early, release often' mantra in FOSS is exactly that, put your work in the open as soon as possible so other can play with it, comment or contribute. How can the author improve his work without our feedback, knowing which parts are good and which suck?"
[[MartinSourada|Martin Sourada]] announced[3] a split of the backgrounds in 3 packages, to distribute the file size optimally "I've just built an updated Solar Backgrounds Package with many fixes provided by Mo, and more resolutions/ratios [1]. As per request from
both gnome and kde folks the package has been split into solar-backgrounds (for Desktop Live Spin) solar-backgrounds-common (for
KDE) and solar-backgrounds-extras (containing everything not included in the previous two)" and at the last minute [[KevinKofler|Kevin Kofler]] noticed[4] and fixed[5] a bug "the 1280x1024 image is only 1280x1014".


[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00262.html
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00364.html


=== Four Fs Poster Designs ===
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00373.html


[[MairinDuffy|Máirín Duffy]] showed[1] to @fedora-art and @fedora-marketing a number of posters[2] for the new "Four F's" (freedom|friends|features|first) Fedora slogan, posters received with awe by the community,a sentiment probably described[3] best by [[IanWeller|Ian Weller]]: "I saw these and my mouth was gaping open. These are very, very, very, very, very, very cool! Now I want to frame them and put them in my room."
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00379.html


[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00247.html
=== Fedora 10 Countdown ===


[2] http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fourfs/individual%20posters/
Following an earlier request[1] from the website team [[RickyZhou|Ricky Zhou]] for a count down graphic for the Fedora 10 release, [[PaoloLeoni|Paolo Leoni]] submitted[2] to fedora-art for review a couple of proposals and after a couple of rounds of feedback forwarded  the proposals to the @fedora-websites, with an additional round of improvements[3] incorporating feedback[4] from [[MairinDuffy|Mairin Duffy]] "I think 'CAMBRIDGE' is a little hard to read because of a combination of the thin font and the low contrast with the background. I also think the text doesn't have enough breathing space from the right and bottom edges of the
banner."


[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-October/msg00231.html
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00233.html
 
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00328.html
 
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-October/msg00148.html
 
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-October/msg00147.html

Revision as of 15:26, 31 October 2008

Artwork

In this section, we cover the Fedora Artwork Project.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork

Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei

Wallpaper Extras

IanWeller asked[1] on #fedora-art about a better way to handle and package the collection of extra wallpapers gathered from various Fedora contributors "The current gallery system for the Wallpaper Extras isn't working. It doesn't do us good for keeping track of attributions, especially if we start taking lots of outside contributions from Flickr or the like (which I plan on doing soon)" along with his proposal "The entire wallpaper extras framework for submission and tracking will be on the wiki, through MediaWiki's category system. The main category will be, which will contain only other categories and unsorted wallpapers.

Subcategories to that will be along the lines of, which can also contain other subcategories if we want to categorize further. Categories have a built-in gallery setup.

The image page itself (i.e., Wallpaper-nicubunu-hay.jpg) will contain a template (which we'll need to write) that will contain information such as the creator, the URL it was taken from (if applicable), and who added it to the wiki, and what license was originally under."

[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00299.html

[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras

Jóhann B. Guðmundsson opted[3] for a contest, possibly held in cooperation with Fedora Magazine[4] "I personally think we should hold a wallpaper contest photo artwork etc with a specific subject/theme in conduction with fedoramagazine each month or so then top 3 picture ( or top in each category ) would be picked added to the wiki and package" while Nicu Buculei argued for RSS feeds instead of votes "My tendency is to decouple packaging and contests. Have the images in a proper gallery and the users can use RSS feeds and see 'best rated', 'most viewed', 'last uploaded' images with no effort. And they really need the packaging? They have the photos open in their browser and Firefox has an 'Set As Desktop Background' command (it appears broken if Firefox/GNOME, but that is just a bug which needs a patch). And from this large pile of images, a packager may make a manual selection with the 'most usable' images (or more packagers can to their own selections and packages)."

[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00300.html

[4] http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/

[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00324.html

Jonathan Roberts, the editor of the Fedora Magazine got into the discussion[6] and opined against a reinvention of the wheel "Why reinvent the wheel - why not just take advantage of Gnome look? Or set up a Flickr pool - I think one already exists possibly?" and for a manual image selection for the magazine "With respect to the magazine, I'd be more than happy if someone from the art team would be interested in doing a monthly post that would share work that members of the art team were involved with - whether it was Fedora related or just created using tools exclusively in Fedora"

[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00327.html

Fedora 4 F's buttons

Following last week's "Four F's" posters made by Mairin Duffy (we covered them in the last issue), Clint Savage posted[1] on @fedora-art a set of buttons made in the same style, which were received[2] with open arms "SWEET! I really like the pattern in the background of the logo2 file. Logo3 is really strong, well done!"

[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00304.html

[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00305.html

From there the discussion went[2] into printing preparation details "Do you know how to scribus-ify these into print-ready, color-safe PDF artwork?", which are no problem for Clint "I have done that before many times. I'll look into doing that on sunday. I assume you are referring to the fact that I need to make the images CMYK and making them pdfs so printers won't complain. I'm capable of doing that :)", the Scribus limitations[4] "However Scribus SVG support is rather flaky and most of the time (except for really simple 'kosher' SVG files) you will get an error stating that some features of the file were not supported. Also it tends to get the size 'wrong', not the actual size of the drawing, but rather it kind of adds an additional 'holding box' to the drawing. My personal recommendation when handling graphics with Scribus would be to export to EPS and then import that into Scribus, or export to bitmap" and the need to use a recent version of the application[5] "You're probably using mrdocs' svn build for Fedora then right? (My head would have gone thru the monitor glass long ago if I was stuck with 1.3.4) If not, you should give it a try, it makes life so much easier!"

[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00308.html

[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00310.html

[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00314.html

Final Fixes for the Solar Backgrounds

Charlie Brej spotted[1] an imperfection in the default Fedora 10 wallpaper "In the 3200x1200 dual screen images there is a column at X=1151 which has a slight transparency. It is in fact very difficult to see it in gimp but it does become visible on desktop backgrounds with a contrasting solid colour behind" and also proposed[2] a patch to decrease the overall size of the backgrounds package "Current solar background's consume 33Mb. This a bit on the heavy side, especially on the Live CD which is over its image limit. Currently there are 4 different images (morning, noon, evening, night) sent out in 4 different sizes (4:3, 16:10, 5:4 and 8:3 for dual screen). What we could do is to send out just one 3200:1200 image and patch up gnome-desktop background handling to support cropping to the right aspect."

[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00317.html

[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00319.html

Martin Sourada announced[3] a split of the backgrounds in 3 packages, to distribute the file size optimally "I've just built an updated Solar Backgrounds Package with many fixes provided by Mo, and more resolutions/ratios [1]. As per request from both gnome and kde folks the package has been split into solar-backgrounds (for Desktop Live Spin) solar-backgrounds-common (for KDE) and solar-backgrounds-extras (containing everything not included in the previous two)" and at the last minute Kevin Kofler noticed[4] and fixed[5] a bug "the 1280x1024 image is only 1280x1014".

[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00364.html

[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00373.html

[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00379.html

Fedora 10 Countdown

Following an earlier request[1] from the website team Ricky Zhou for a count down graphic for the Fedora 10 release, Paolo Leoni submitted[2] to fedora-art for review a couple of proposals and after a couple of rounds of feedback forwarded the proposals to the @fedora-websites, with an additional round of improvements[3] incorporating feedback[4] from Mairin Duffy "I think 'CAMBRIDGE' is a little hard to read because of a combination of the thin font and the low contrast with the background. I also think the text doesn't have enough breathing space from the right and bottom edges of the banner."

[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00233.html

[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00328.html

[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-October/msg00148.html

[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-October/msg00147.html

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