Meeting:Board meeting 2010-10-15

Minutes and full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-board-meeting/2010-10-15/

IRC Log

jsmith	#startmeeting Fedora Board IRC Meeting	18:00
zodbot	Meeting started Fri Oct 15 18:00:49 2010 UTC. The chair is jsmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	18:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	18:00
jsmith	#meetingname Fedora Board	18:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_board'	18:00
jsmith	#topic Open Q&A with Fedora Board members	18:01
* jds2001 here		18:01
jsmith	I guess we ought to do roll call, for the record	18:01
* ctyler waves		18:01
jsmith	Board members who are here, please make yourselves known	18:01
* jsmith is here		18:01
* ctyler waves again		18:01
* jds2001 waves frantically		18:02
jsmith	OK, I see smooge and rdieter lurking...	18:02
smooge	here	18:02
smooge	sorry	18:02
jsmith	No worries	18:02
rdieter	yo	18:02
jsmith	As a reminder, we'll use our typical protocol as listed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_public_IRC_meetings	18:03
jsmith	Board members are encouraged to jump right in and speak	18:03
jsmith	And with that... let's go ahead and jump into Q&A	18:03
jsmith	rdieter: Thanks for your post to the advisory board list about the CWG	18:04
rdieter	figured we didnt have enough flames or bikeshedding lately. :)	18:04
jsmith	My bike shed is still white, and still needs a door before winter time rolls around :-)	18:04
jds2001	the bike shed shall be red!	18:05
rdieter	peuce	18:05
jsmith	Ah, we have mdomsch here as well :-)	18:05
mdomsch	late as always	18:05
jsmith	No worries	18:05
jsmith	Slow week -- no questions so far	18:06
jsmith	While we're waiting for questions, I'll let everybody know that I won't be around for Monday's meeting	18:06
* jsmith will be on a plane		18:06
jsmith	(again)	18:06
jds2001	oh, can you give someone the mod code then? :)	18:06
jds2001	we all sat around like idiots last monday :)	18:07
jsmith	Sorry :-(	18:07
rdieter	2 things to throw out as ideas to talk about: 1. f15 name, where are we? 2. (plug) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rdieter/Draft_Fedora_Community_Working_Group	18:07
jsmith	As for the name, we're very clearly behind schedule on that (totally my fault)	18:07
* rdieter whips jsmith with wet noodle		18:07
jsmith	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_15	18:08
jsmith	The schedule is there as well -- we're accepting name nominations until the end of the day (UTC) on Tuesday the 19th.	18:08
jsmith	So not much more time to get your names in	18:08
rdieter	ok, gotcha. get the word out.	18:10
jsmith	Exactly :-)	18:10
* jds2001 votes for bacon! :D		18:10
jsmith	I posted to the announce list, but nobody ever reads those announcements	18:10
jds2001	it has ~10000 subscribers :)	18:10
jds2001	10131 to be exact :)	18:11
jsmith	Nice...	18:12
jsmith	The other thing we need to get the word out about is the elections cycle	18:12
jds2001	so is paul still going to take care of that?	18:12
rdieter	that too, fun.	18:12
jsmith	I'll post a proposed schedule here shortly -- did anybody talk to Paul Mellors about being the wrangler?	18:12
jsmith	(It wasn't clear from our meeting on the 4th who was going to contact him)	18:12
* rdieter forgets who was tasked with that, hopes not him.		18:12
mdomsch	I didn't.	18:12
jsmith	Any volunteers?	18:13
* jds2001 was tasked with talking to inode0 who told me that Paul Mellors was it.		18:13
* jds2001 assumed that we didn't need to confirm with him, but we sure need to coordinate		18:13
* jds2001 will reach out		18:13
jsmith	I think it would be good to reach out to Paul, make sure he's still OK with being the wrangler, and coordinate a schedule	18:14
inode0	!	18:14
rdieter	jds2001: thanks	18:14
jsmith	inode0: Go ahead!	18:14
* jsmith would like to open nominations for Board seats on the 25th (more or less)		18:15
inode0	From all appearances and one report Paul is no longer active in Fedora, so I'd suggest just putting out a call for help to the community	18:15
jds2001	ouch.	18:15
jsmith	inode0: OK, that's good to know.	18:15
* jsmith calls up the community and asks for help		18:16
* jds2001 hears this loud voice from the sky asking for help with Fedora elections		18:16
jsmith	I'll blog about it, and send something to announce list	18:17
* jds2001 can put something together, but it might not be timely. I'm at CPOSC this weekend...		18:17
inode0	if someone just sets a schedule we can ask for help with town halls and questionnaires	18:17
jds2001	oh, if jsmith can then great :)	18:17
jsmith	inode0: I have a rough draft of a schedule... would you like to comment on it now?	18:18
inode0	armed with specific tasks and deadlines makes it easier to commit	18:18
jsmith	Step 1) Announce elections (now)	18:18
jsmith	Step 2) Accept nominations and questions (10/23? 10/25?)	18:18
inode0	sure, we normally post a rough draft to f-a-b for comments before setting it in stone	18:19
rdieter	time passes so quickly, it's shocking how quickly our little fedora is growing up	18:19
jsmith	Step 3) Close questions and have candidates start answering questions (10/31)	18:19
jsmith	Step 4) Answers due from candidates (11/4)	18:20
jsmith	Step 5) Town Hall (11/10 through 11/17)	18:20
jsmith	Step 5) Vote (11/17-11/23)	18:20
* jsmith has two step 5s :-(		18:20
jsmith	Anyhoo, that's the rough schedule	18:21
jsmith	I'll post it to advisory-board	18:21
jsmith	but if people want to make comments now, that's fine as well	18:21
inode0	ok, looking at it on a calendar helps me	18:21
jsmith	Note that this is an even-numbered release, so we have two elected board seats up for grabs	18:21
inode0	and half of fesco and all of famsco - so it is a big election	18:22
jsmith	inode0: Yeah, it is.	18:25
jsmith	Welcome spot_ ...	18:26
jds2001	welcome mizmo	18:27
inode0	given past turnout at town halls I do think we should consider possibly trying to only schedule one per election, maybe for 90 minutes instead of two	18:27
jds2001	how do we do that in a world-friendly manner?	18:28
ctyler	l o n g m i n u t e s	18:28
inode0	you do it in a way the people running can attend	18:28
ctyler	and the rest can read the transcript	18:29
* jds2001 still thinks that may be difficult - sya you have someone from the west coast and india running		18:30
* jsmith prefers two meetings at different times, but is willing to defer to the person running the town hall meetings		18:30
inode0	it is difficult, I've done it and know it is difficult	18:30
inode0	doing it at two different times is about 4 times as difficult as doing it once	18:31
jsmith	Yes, it is.	18:31
jsmith	OK, makes sense... I just want to try to be as inclusive as possible	18:31
jsmith	The entire world doesn't run on Eastern Daylight Time (or anything close to that)	18:31
inode0	and often one or two candidates aren't available for both	18:31
inode0	and that isn't really fair to them	18:31
jsmith	Yeah... that's true as well.	18:32
inode0	sure, whoever does it can decide - I'm just offering my impression of the town halls over the past couple of years	18:32
inode0	it is a lot of work for both organizers and candidates - 20 people show up and most of those same people show up at both	18:33
jsmith	We certainly appreciate your insight... I've never done it before, so I'm obviously less informed about how things have worked in the past	18:33
jsmith	I've shown up to a couple of Town Halls as an observer, that's all	18:34
inode0	if it helps to know, we almost never have any trouble at all getting volunteers to moderate town halls	18:36
inode0	that is pretty easy to do	18:36
inode0	getting someone to handle the questionnaire bit is harder	18:36
inode0	well, and scheduling the town halls is hard too - running them is easy	18:39
jds2001	well, i think scheduling needs to be done after the candidates are known	18:40
jds2001	that way time zones of the candidates can be taken into account	18:41
* ctyler is loving whenisgood.net with TZs turned on		18:41
inode0	correct, scheduling has to wait for candidates	18:41
inode0	whenisgood always gets loud complaints too fwiw	18:42
inode0	which isn't much until someone finds something better :)	18:42
jds2001	do these same people own PS3's?	18:42
* inode0 does not know		18:43
* jds2001 just finds it slightly hypocritical is all :)		18:43
* inode0 seems to recall most of those coming from fesco :)		18:45
* jds2001 doesn't recall complaining during his tenure in fesco :)		18:46
jds2001	anyhow, that's neither here nor there	18:47
jsmith	OK folks... twelve minutes until the top of the hour	18:48
jsmith	Any questions/comments on other topics?	18:48
* nirik has issues with the interface, but that has nothing to do with it being free/nonfree. ;)		18:48
jds2001	bacon is good.	18:49
* jsmith likes bacon, but understands that others have a religious/cultural dislike for it		18:49
inode0	I'm happy to help whoever volunteers to get their bearings	18:49
jds2001	cool, thanks inode0!	18:50
jsmith	Awesome... thanks inode0	18:50
jsmith	If there aren't any other questions, I move that we end the meeting a few minutes early	18:54
jsmith	#topic Last call for questions...	18:54
jsmith	Going once...	18:55
jsmith	Going twice...	18:56
jsmith	Sold to the fat-headed extra-terrestrial on the third row with the bright purple jacket and the glowing eyes!	18:56
jsmith	Thanks everyone!	18:57
jsmith	#endmeeting	18:57

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