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href="#t09:05" class="time">09:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">07:42 < stickster> If I can connect from my buddy's house I will do so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">07:45 < stickster> In case I don't make it, release-notes are currently building fine from CVS HEAD</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">07:45 < stickster> The IG is progressing, see f-docs-commits for detail</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">07:46 < stickster> Closd a number of bugs yesterday for IG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, at least those essential pieces are in the clear</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I still plan a good round of edits to the IG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyone should give it a go; you can use Yelp to display the XML in real-time for easy editing fun.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">(still to get my teeth into cvs...maybe this is a good chance)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeh, it's pretty easy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ah yeah, saw that some time ago, any link?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry, CVS usage?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: yelp :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">my bad</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm, you know ... we haven't a write up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe under DP/Tools ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">it's in the archives...the bit about yelp</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway, you just do 'yelp /path/to/RELEASE-NOTES.xml</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway, you just do 'yelp /path/to/RELEASE-NOTES.xml &'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it will build up the whole document that is called by that parent XML file, and display it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ah right, thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">then when you edit, you just reload (I close and reopen, since there isn't a reload function I've seen)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, about the guides ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"><a href="https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00199.html">https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00199.html</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:13"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jmbuser will document this soon - very slick</td><td><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">is the message</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#guides-schedule">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#guides-schedule</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">thanks JonRob</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, now that schedule is for anything that we want to get translated in time for release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">last week we decided that the relnotes and IG are the two "must haves" for release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, yes, anything the group can do to help make sure that the IG goes to trans on time is a Good Thing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">as for the other guides ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we have strong leadership from jmbuser for the UG, but ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: do you have an identified team helping? or is it a loose group? do you want it formalized more?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: No identifiable group so far...correct me if I'm wrong</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i'll jump in if you need it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">will have a lot more time this week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, yes the folks on the <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Contributors">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Contributors</a> page ... aren't that evident currently</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: I'm willing to solo, but I would prefer an ensemble effort</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">JonRob: Thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">JonRob: consider yourself engaged with this then :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">add yourself to the Contributors page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jmbuser: no problem :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I need to put the framework in place - and then please fill in where you can</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jmbuser's grand idea for the FUG :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: one tip, feel free to brain-dump into the wiki, just put a comment in the commit note about the state of the content</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that helps editors know "ignore, edit, or make pariah from" :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: NP - I noticed an "es" translation of the docs/drafts version today - very scary</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">in the wiki? eek</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, should we talk to that guy?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">definitely shouldn't be translating in the Wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: I was thinking of a warning label</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">he's been keeping up with your work for most of it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">at this point, we are moving clearly to Plone, although the schedule is a bit unknown when what will be where</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:20"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- [splinux] [n=[splinux@fedora/splinux] has joined #fedora-docs</td><td><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hey, there's one of the folks who has written for the UG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I deinitely need to put something like a "blasting zone" danger sign up :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">[splinux] : damien run ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">s/deinitely/definitely/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">[splinux] : we're on the final push for the Fedora User Guide for F7, if you are interested in helping with this release </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">[splinux] : Welcome</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> [splinux] </th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">hey all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so first call is IG, anyone willing to spend some time, get into the FUG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:23"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- pingou_laptop [n=pingou@haar113.athome221.WAU.NL] has joined #fedora-docs</td><td><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> pingou_laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">hi</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">in fact, the IG is just a few days from going out for translation, so that is quite timely</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> [splinux] </th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid, I'm busy for this week :(</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I will take responsibility for not hassling, er, following up with contributors</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">[splinux] : no worries, just pouncing since you walked in the channel in a timely fashion :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> [splinux] </th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">IG is higher priority - we can do an F7 FUG announcement later, like for FC6 DUG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, let's try another on-list reminder this week to help with the UG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I plan to finish the outline, so that volunteers can pick a section and fill it out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cool!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I can also advertise it on my blog - after the outline's in place</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, get that out somewhere too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jmbuser: are you going to clean out a lot of the screenshots from later on in the guide?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">let's feature it a bit on the DP/Tasks page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i'll put it in fwn if appropriate</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">not all the pieces, just a few pointers, maybe start a DP/Tasks/UserGuide for everythin</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">JonRob: I plan to remove all screenshots except for the three desktops and I will leave in icons</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jmbuser: cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">JonRob: This will speed things up and make it easier to translate</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">will look better too i think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">JonRob: agreed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I haven't been able to do much extra at all, such as the Tasks page, we still need to jam it ahead as a collaboratively built page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: if i find the time i'll help out here too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so for the rest of the guides ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">AG guide is something we should get started on post F7</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and as fast as possible, to get this out somewhat half of the F8 cycle, as this doesn't change that much between releases</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we're having a bit of a lull in writing participation, is this just the time of year (school end) and near-to-release?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe we should do the bulk of writing for these kind of guides between releases, and just have them updated lightly when the next release near?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: sounds like a good approach, minimises stress!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: yeah, a combination of both</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">what do people think of the software management guide?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">could a lot of that be pulled into the admin guide?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">or maybe the essentials</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's for end-users</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> pingou_laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I have to go ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:39"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- pingou_laptop [n=pingou@haar113.athome221.WAU.NL] has left #fedora-docs ["Salut!!"] </td><td><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">JonRob: we wouldn't want to send end-users into a chapter of the AG to learn something, too scary</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the idea of the stand-alone is to empower those users, "oh, this is easy"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">part in DUG, part in AG?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: yeah but a lot of the SMG is pretty scary!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">as in updating your software -> DUG, adding repo's -> AG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">true that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mether: you about?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's a sensible proposal, i think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">JonRob: can you make that suggestion (as couf laid it out) on-list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mether has been doing the bulk of the work there, I'm sure he'll think it's a good idea, and the advantage of adding a little content to grow an existing team effort is a good one</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, then, let's cover the last item ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">en v. en_US etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">now, I claim near-ignorance here, I've never researched the standards and UTF needs and such</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">(posted to the list, hope i got the message across)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hmm it seems the official list says it's a three character thing right now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144"><a href="http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/ISO-639-2_values_8bits-utf-8.txt">http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/ISO-639-2_values_8bits-utf-8.txt</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144"><a href="http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php">http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">last one is a bit easier to read</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so what is the deal with the _XY</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">it seemed to have never been an ISO-standard</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:49"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- [splinux] [n=[splinux@fedora/splinux] has left #fedora-docs ["Quitte"] </td><td><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so that would mean ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">a) everything has to a ab-type code</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">b) change like everything to the newest ISO standard, meaning docs, software, ....</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and hope that gettext get's this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ah, got the _XY, it's the country code, which may be added to specify to which country this specific translation applies</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: we do specifically use US English in these cases</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">why?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I want a Brit to be able to write en_UK and then I can become a translator!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: you're americans ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">as such, should we move everything on docs.fp.org to use en_US instead of en?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">probably</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">in fact, that is a leftover inconsistency yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, let's confirm this detail to the list so there are no surprises</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:03"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid asks couf to send that email</td><td><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and then we can close this meetin'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rather ... any other business/topics?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ow yeah, I've got one left</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">are we gonna update the style to the new static page style, or stay like it is and wait for plone?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">there's a new static page style!?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">JonRob: yeah, it's coming <a href="http://fedora.riczho.dyndns.org/static/">http://fedora.riczho.dyndns.org/static/</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, we can wait</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, I see what you mean</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we could update docs.fp.o, sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ultimately, yes, Plone will handle it, and we'll port the CSS to the Wiki as well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">couf: cool :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">JonRob: static page because we want the front of fp.o to load fast for the release, unlike for FC-6</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so we're doing two-birds, one-stone -- static page and new style for the site</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: yeah, is awesome idea i think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: let's plan on updating docs.fp.o with the new style, once it is fully baked</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's actually in CVS now, so we could start experimenting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is not sure if there are any here who like to play with CSS</td><td><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">actually, I like it now, but I'm jammed on time, so I probably won't play</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf thinks glezos ;-)</td><td><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:08"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@195.229.24.83] has quit [Remote closed the connection] </td><td><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but it is all in cvs.fp.o:/cvs/web/static</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:09"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@195.229.24.83] has joined #fedora-docs</td><td><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, when glezos gets back from galavanting around, we'll ask him, if it's not done already :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">okay, well if I find some time, I'll have a got at it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">that's all for me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's probably pretty straightforward</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">esp with the Web Developer plugin for Firefox</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, if there is nothing more ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid waits 30 seconds</td><td><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Web Devel + Firebug ++ :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">do they do similar things? or are they complementary?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">final countdown ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">5</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr> </table> <div 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