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<h1>fedora-docs special meeting on publican</h1>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 04:57:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks: <a href="http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/pkgs/docs/">http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/pkgs/docs/</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 04:57:31" class="time">Feb 14 04:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 04:58:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jfearn: hope it is OK with you that I built your packages for F8</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 04:58:09" class="time">Feb 14 04:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 04:58:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">EvilBob, cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 04:58:47" class="time">Feb 14 04:58</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 04:59:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">So I assume everyone will want to have a .repo file pointing to Bob's repo (above) and then 'yum install publican-fedora'</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 04:59:30" class="time">Feb 14 04:59</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 04:59:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: also maybe publican-doc</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 04:59:59" class="time">Feb 14 04:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:00:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Where does the repo file go?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:00:01" class="time">Feb 14 05:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:00:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Right, I pulled that one too, thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:00:06" class="time">Feb 14 05:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:00:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Sparks: in /etc/yum.repos.d/</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:00:13" class="time">Feb 14 05:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:00:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks: /etc/yum.repos.d</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:00:13" class="time">Feb 14 05:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:00:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Ahhh</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:00:19" class="time">Feb 14 05:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:00:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Okay</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:00:19" class="time">Feb 14 05:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:00:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">jwulf_</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">who am i?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:00:23" class="time">Feb 14 05:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:00:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">Tsagadai</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">jwulf :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:00:32" class="time">Feb 14 05:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:00:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">noriko</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">hi</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:00:44" class="time">Feb 14 05:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:00:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">jwulf_</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">no, i'm jwulf_</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:00:47" class="time">Feb 14 05:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:01:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">can we just call you Josh?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:01:03" class="time">Feb 14 05:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:01:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jwulf_, the pope</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:01:03" class="time">Feb 14 05:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:01:22"><td class="action" colspan="2">*mdious pokes bforte</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:01:22" class="time">Feb 14 05:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:01:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">jwulf_</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">EvilBob, sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:01:28" class="time">Feb 14 05:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:01:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">All right, who's chairing this par-tay?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:01:34" class="time">Feb 14 05:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:01:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">VileGent</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">i thought the boss man</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:01:44" class="time">Feb 14 05:01</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:01:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">jwulf_</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster, you're the urlord... :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:01:58" class="time">Feb 14 05:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:02:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Oh lord, I figured as much..</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:02:09" class="time">Feb 14 05:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:02:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">So my job here, as I see it, is to introduce jfearn and then have him tell us all about publican</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:02:30" class="time">Feb 14 05:02</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:02:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jfearn: everyone</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:02:58" class="time">Feb 14 05:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:03:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">everyone: jfearn</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:03:00" class="time">Feb 14 05:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:03:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Hi everybody!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:03:08" class="time">Feb 14 05:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:03:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Take it away jfearn!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:03:09" class="time">Feb 14 05:03</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:03:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">installing still</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:03:28" class="time">Feb 14 05:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:03:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">has anyone tried to build the fedora-release-notes in publican?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:03:59" class="time">Feb 14 05:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:04:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">does it require hacking the XML or structure?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:04:10" class="time">Feb 14 05:04</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:04:23"><td class="action" colspan="2">*EvilBob just built the packages, what more do you want from me?</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:04:23" class="time">Feb 14 05:04</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:05:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">the world</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:05:01" class="time">Feb 14 05:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:05:14"><td class="action" colspan="2">*EvilBob kicks Sparks in the shin</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:05:14" class="time">Feb 14 05:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:05:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:05:19" class="time">Feb 14 05:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:05:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Okay, I'm ready to learn...  How do you start this thing?  Anyone got a key?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:05:41" class="time">Feb 14 05:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:06:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">i seem to have left the key in my other pair of pants</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:06:01" class="time">Feb 14 05:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:06:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sorry guys, just a little punchy here</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:06:10" class="time">Feb 14 05:06</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:06:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">OK guys, let's remember that the RH Content Services folks are on the clock in Brisbane, AUS.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:06:39" class="time">Feb 14 05:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:06:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Please make this time worth their while.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:06:46" class="time">Feb 14 05:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:06:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">create_book --name MyBook</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:06:47" class="time">Feb 14 05:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:07:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">create_book --article sendmail</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:07:02" class="time">Feb 14 05:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:07:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">well where to start...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:07:03" class="time">Feb 14 05:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:08:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'll start with some back ground on why we thought we needed publican, the rest flows from there</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:08:13" class="time">Feb 14 05:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:08:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">there has always been a seperation between documentation and the main distro</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:08:38" class="time">Feb 14 05:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we wanted to be able to distribute documentation with the main distro, and this required us to have a docs build chain that integrated in to brew</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:09:17" class="time">Feb 14 05:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">so, public is our attempt to do intergrate documentation directly in to the distro</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:09:55" class="time">Feb 14 05:09</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:10:21"><td class="action" colspan="2">*jwulf_ is now known as jwulf</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:10:21" class="time">Feb 14 05:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:10:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:10:52" class="time">Feb 14 05:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:10:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">this imposses a bunch of requirements for how things are done, since release engineers are very demanding :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:10:53" class="time">Feb 14 05:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:11:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jfearn: Will you take questions as you go?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:11:09" class="time">Feb 14 05:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster, sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:11:17" class="time">Feb 14 05:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:11:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Thanks, sorry to interrupt :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:11:25" class="time">Feb 14 05:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:11:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">EvilBob:</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:11:25" class="time">Feb 14 05:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">How is brew related to our koji?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:11:26" class="time">Feb 14 05:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EOF</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:11:29" class="time">Feb 14 05:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:12:11"><td class="action" colspan="2">*EvilBob notes that if we don't have a clear answer that is OK.</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:12:11" class="time">Feb 14 05:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">EvilBob, I think brew is the pre-cursor to koji</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:12:13" class="time">Feb 14 05:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:12:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">K</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:12:22" class="time">Feb 14 05:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:12:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">???</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:12:26" class="time">Feb 14 05:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:12:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">bottom line:</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:12:34" class="time">Feb 14 05:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:12:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">they needed a toolchain that plugged in to internal RHT build system</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:12:53" class="time">Feb 14 05:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">Tsagadai</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">koji and brew are very, very similar</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:13:11" class="time">Feb 14 05:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So we will plug in to koji hopefully, thanks that is what I wanted.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:13:35" class="time">Feb 14 05:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">Tsagadai</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">should be easy enough to do EvilBob</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:13:58" class="time">Feb 14 05:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:16:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">So publican provides build targets and L10n functions, correct?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:16:09" class="time">Feb 14 05:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:17:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster, yes, publican supports most of the functionality of the previous internal tools and the fedora docs build system</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:17:05" class="time">Feb 14 05:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:17:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">stickster: It sure appears to ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:17:06" class="time">Feb 14 05:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:18:04"><td class="action" colspan="2">*SgtDitt raises hand</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:18:04" class="time">Feb 14 05:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:18:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">SgtDitt:</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:18:11" class="time">Feb 14 05:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:18:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">so does this mean we will be publish to docbook?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:18:31" class="time">Feb 14 05:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:18:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:18:38" class="time">Feb 14 05:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:18:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:18:47" class="time">Feb 14 05:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:19:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">SgtDitt: we are publishing to docbook :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:19:10" class="time">Feb 14 05:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:19:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">publican only deals with docbook and xliff atm</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:19:18" class="time">Feb 14 05:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:19:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">this is an alternate toolchain to what is in cvs.fp.org:/cvs/docs/docs-common etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:19:30" class="time">Feb 14 05:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:19:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">Tsagadai</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">well hopefully a replacement toolchain</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:19:58" class="time">Feb 14 05:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:20:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">as a new contributor, i publish to the wiki. i prefer docbook, but i think it has been discussed that the idea may be beyond some contributors</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:20:03" class="time">Feb 14 05:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:20:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">hmm....</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:20:03" class="time">Feb 14 05:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:20:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">so how would this effect new contributors, such as myself?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:20:24" class="time">Feb 14 05:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:20:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">and me</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:20:39" class="time">Feb 14 05:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:20:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">SgtDitt: Welcome to the team, you are helping me and my guys with the Install Guide...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:20:43" class="time">Feb 14 05:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:20:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">SgtDitt: it was my understand that people edit the wiki, like you do now, then use the current toolchain to get it into docbook....</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:20:46" class="time">Feb 14 05:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:20:52"><td class="action" colspan="2">*EvilBob ducks</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:20:52" class="time">Feb 14 05:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:21:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">publican doesn't change the current workflow, and like the current tool chain it does not interact with the wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:21:20" class="time">Feb 14 05:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:21:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">VileGent</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">! lets let jfearn continue his introduction and ask these questions afterwards please</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:21:48" class="time">Feb 14 05:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:21:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">VileGent</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">eof</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:21:54" class="time">Feb 14 05:21</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:22:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">there isn't much more to say as an intro, I'be spent the last two years or so tinkering away and being harassed by writers to add features :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:22:48" class="time">Feb 14 05:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:23:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:23:06" class="time">Feb 14 05:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:23:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster:</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:23:17" class="time">Feb 14 05:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:23:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Thanks EvilBob</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:23:26" class="time">Feb 14 05:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:23:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we think publican is just about ready for prime time and wanted to get it out and thouroughly tested</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:23:34" class="time">Feb 14 05:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:23:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jfearn: So I was looking at the way you handle XML entities and was wondering</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:23:35" class="time">Feb 14 05:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:24:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">You're doing some regex to basically pull out the stuff between "  "</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:24:03" class="time">Feb 14 05:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:24:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">What we did when developing our toolset over... well, whenever it was...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:24:21" class="time">Feb 14 05:24</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:24:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">was to do an XML-ish solution with a DTD designated for entities.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:24:33" class="time">Feb 14 05:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:24:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">This meant we could use standard tools to pull the POT from a file like "doc-entities.xml"</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:24:55" class="time">Feb 14 05:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:25:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">So it was treated by (in our case) xml2po just like any other file such as DocBook source</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:25:15" class="time">Feb 14 05:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:26:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">EOF</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:26:44" class="time">Feb 14 05:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:26:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">(sorry)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:26:46" class="time">Feb 14 05:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:26:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster, the way we handle entities is to add the entries during the build process, but it's in flux due to translator issues with entities</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:26:56" class="time">Feb 14 05:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:27:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Do the issues have to do with how included entities are maintained during parsing?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:27:27" class="time">Feb 14 05:27</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:28:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster, no, the issues have to do with not being able to set gender correctly due to lack of context in entity strings</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:28:04" class="time">Feb 14 05:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:28:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">That's what I was getting at ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:28:17" class="time">Feb 14 05:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:28:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Sorry, my terminology is probably all scrambled.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:28:32" class="time">Feb 14 05:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:29:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster, I'm not expert so you may be right :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:29:08" class="time">Feb 14 05:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:29:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">But the point being, if the content of "&FEDORA;" is translated only once by a translator, they have no opportunity to change the word form in languages where the noun takes different declensions</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:29:17" class="time">Feb 14 05:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:29:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Like in Polish where they might use "Fedora" or "Fedory" depending on context</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:29:40" class="time">Feb 14 05:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:30:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster, yes, also issues like in some langauges the word is spelt differently depending on if it's at the start/rnd/middle of a sentence etc</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:30:05" class="time">Feb 14 05:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:30:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Right.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:30:12" class="time">Feb 14 05:30</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:30:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">As much as we would have liked to save the translators from having to translate &SOMETHING; over and over, it was more hacky to try and preserve the entity, and a better idea to simply let it be parsed before it went to POT</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:30:58" class="time">Feb 14 05:30</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:31:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">my conclusion was that the benefits of entities to writers is out weighed by the pain it causes translators, the war isn't won ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:31:23" class="time">Feb 14 05:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:32:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">That was our conclusion too, I'll have to find when I did that commit change</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:32:01" class="time">Feb 14 05:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:32:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">It was back when Tommy was still around these parts, I'm pretty sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:32:20" class="time">Feb 14 05:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:32:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">So anyway, my point being, that ended up being another driver for our using a "true XML" solution for entities</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:32:49" class="time">Feb 14 05:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:33:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">So we'd actually XSLT the doc-entities.xml file into a doc-entities.ent</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:33:14" class="time">Feb 14 05:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:33:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jfearn: Have you had time to look at our build tools?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:33:22" class="time">Feb 14 05:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:33:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster, not in a fair while</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:33:39" class="time">Feb 14 05:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:33:47"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster sorry to take up everyone's time on this subject</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:33:47" class="time">Feb 14 05:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:34:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">It would be worth us looking through in tandem at some convenient time for you where I can answer and ask questions</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:34:10" class="time">Feb 14 05:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:34:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">To the extent I'm able ;-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:34:15" class="time">Feb 14 05:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:34:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster, cool :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:34:30" class="time">Feb 14 05:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:34:31"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster EOF, apologies for yapping</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:34:31" class="time">Feb 14 05:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:35:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">good reference point, though</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:35:21" class="time">Feb 14 05:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:35:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">common pains, common ideas of how to solve</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:35:29" class="time">Feb 14 05:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:37:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Does anyone want to suggest a next action item?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:37:15" class="time">Feb 14 05:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:37:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">What can we do to get this rolling</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:37:41" class="time">Feb 14 05:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:37:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:37:41" class="time">Feb 14 05:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:37:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">so...have many of you tried it?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:37:45" class="time">Feb 14 05:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:37:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">-0</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:37:51" class="time">Feb 14 05:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:38:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:38:06" class="time">Feb 14 05:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:38:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">one + I can think of is that it is easier to install a package than checkout from cvs, so it sort of lowers the barrier to entry...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:38:09" class="time">Feb 14 05:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:38:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">I've tried it, and I'm liking it!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:38:13" class="time">Feb 14 05:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:38:18"><td class="action" colspan="2">*jmbuser just installed it and produced the MyBook - cool</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:38:18" class="time">Feb 14 05:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:38:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith: show off</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:38:29" class="time">Feb 14 05:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:38:36"><td class="action" colspan="2">*jsmith just started a document explaining Publican ;-)</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:38:36" class="time">Feb 14 05:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:38:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I found one of the most popular side effects was being able to move from cvs to svn :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:38:44" class="time">Feb 14 05:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:38:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith: cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:38:45" class="time">Feb 14 05:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:38:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jsmith: This would supplement publican-doc?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:38:54" class="time">Feb 14 05:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:38:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">can we walk through starting a doc in publican</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:38:57" class="time">Feb 14 05:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:39:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">eof</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:39:01" class="time">Feb 14 05:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:39:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">stickster: I haven't looked at publican-doc yet ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:39:07" class="time">Feb 14 05:39</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:39:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">SG_Logger: instructions for creating a book</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:39:47" class="time">Feb 14 05:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:39:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e"><a href="https://fedorahosted.org/publican#sect-Publican-Using_the_publican_package-Creating_a_Book">https://fedorahosted.org/publican#sect-Publican-Using_the_publican_package-Creating_a_Book</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:39:47" class="time">Feb 14 05:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:39:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">mdious: in answer, I just got it installed and built the example in the skeleton</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:39:59" class="time">Feb 14 05:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:40:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">basically you run create_book --name Book_Name and add other options, which make it so you don't have to edit the makefile...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:40:17" class="time">Feb 14 05:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:40:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">for example, instead of editing the makefile with "brand = blah", you can run "create_book --name Book_Name --brand Fedora...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:40:58" class="time">Feb 14 05:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:41:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">* --brand fedora</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:41:32" class="time">Feb 14 05:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:42:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">Yeah, lower case "fedora"</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:42:01" class="time">Feb 14 05:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:42:18"><td class="action" colspan="2">*quaid actually couldn't build the example that came from create_book</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:42:18" class="time">Feb 14 05:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:42:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">O noez, I eated your branding!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:42:21" class="time">Feb 14 05:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:42:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">quaid: what error did you get?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:42:30" class="time">Feb 14 05:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:42:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">warning: failed to load external entity "tmp/en-US/xml/Feedback.xml"</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:42:43" class="time">Feb 14 05:42</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:43:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">quaid: I think that is okay to ignore</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:43:04" class="time">Feb 14 05:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:43:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">Brand fedora does not contain a Book_Template! at /usr/bin/create_book line 61</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:43:06" class="time">Feb 14 05:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:43:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">feedback.xml is something such as "if you find a bug in <x>, please submit a bug against product <x>, component <book_name></td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:43:31" class="time">Feb 14 05:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:43:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">mdious: but it hangs and doesn't end, nor is there any HTML output</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:43:38" class="time">Feb 14 05:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:43:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">from 'make html-single'</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:43:39" class="time">Feb 14 05:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:43:39"><td class="action" colspan="2">*EvilBob notes that the packages he built were untested you are using them at your own risk!</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:43:39" class="time">Feb 14 05:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:43:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Make sure you've also installed the publican-fedora package</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:43:39" class="time">Feb 14 05:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:43:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid, that warning is due to the way that Fallback falls back :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:43:48" class="time">Feb 14 05:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:43:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">and also the publican package...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:43:54" class="time">Feb 14 05:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:43:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">I was wondering about that</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:43:57" class="time">Feb 14 05:43</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:44:07"><td class="action" colspan="2">*quaid has publican-fedora installed but wondered if a style package was required</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:44:07" class="time">Feb 14 05:44</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:44:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hm</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:44:20" class="time">Feb 14 05:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:44:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">it will look for a local Fallback.xml and if it doesn't find it it falls back to the brand Fallback.xml</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:44:20" class="time">Feb 14 05:44</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:44:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">quaid: publica-fedora is the style package, do you have publican installed as well?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:44:25" class="time">Feb 14 05:44</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:44:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Feedback.xml</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:44:32" class="time">Feb 14 05:44</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:44:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">mdious: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:44:43" class="time">Feb 14 05:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:44:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">herlo: You're missing a good intro to Publican</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:44:47" class="time">Feb 14 05:44</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:45:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">--brand</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:45:59" class="time">Feb 14 05:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:46:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">jwulf</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">extra dietary fiber</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:46:14" class="time">Feb 14 05:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:46:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">jwulf</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">to push out your packages</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:46:24" class="time">Feb 14 05:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:46:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Super Colon Blow!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:46:31" class="time">Feb 14 05:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:46:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">eew</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:46:31" class="time">Feb 14 05:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:46:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">jfearn: is it just that Feedback.xml is not included in any of the packages?  Or ..?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:46:41" class="time">Feb 14 05:46</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:46:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">jwulf</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">ok, who has the t-shirt?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:46:43" class="time">Feb 14 05:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:46:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">lol</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:46:44" class="time">Feb 14 05:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:46:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">jwulf</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">-</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:46:45" class="time">Feb 14 05:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:46:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">jwulf</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">:-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:46:47" class="time">Feb 14 05:46</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:47:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">Tsagadai</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid you can choose which files to include or not include from your books mail file "book-title".xml</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:47:42" class="time">Feb 14 05:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:47:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid, it's just the way docbook handles fallbacks for xi:include, it can't find the first, so it issues a warning, then it finds the fallback and continues on</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:47:46" class="time">Feb 14 05:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:48:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">this way writers can use a brand and change the Feedbakc file without creating a new brand</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:48:19" class="time">Feb 14 05:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:48:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">ah, so</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:48:21" class="time">Feb 14 05:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:48:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">sweet! works great. lasts long time</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:48:35" class="time">Feb 14 05:48</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:49:07"><td class="other" colspan="2">-dmwaters-{global notice} Good day all, I apologize for the netsplits, we had some maintenence due on a couple servers but it's over now. thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:49:07" class="time">Feb 14 05:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:49:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">mmm stormy waters</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:49:24" class="time">Feb 14 05:49</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:50:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: no that is my kid running in the house</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:50:51" class="time">Feb 14 05:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:50:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">stickster: I'm typing loud enough that you can probably hear me</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:50:53" class="time">Feb 14 05:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:51:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">stickster: (that is, if you can hear it above the howling wind outside)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:51:05" class="time">Feb 14 05:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:51:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">So has everyone seen publican in action, now?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:51:08" class="time">Feb 14 05:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:51:24"><td class="action" colspan="2">*quaid is having l'issues still</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:51:24" class="time">Feb 14 05:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:51:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">stickster:+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:51:45" class="time">Feb 14 05:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:52:37"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster concerned about quaid's experience</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:52:37" class="time">Feb 14 05:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:53:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">well, I tried making a Feedback.xml, copied Chapter.xml over and make the IDs unique</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:53:05" class="time">Feb 14 05:53</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:53:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: it is quaid... it could be anything...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:53:35" class="time">Feb 14 05:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:53:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">anyway, if I'm the only one</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:53:36" class="time">Feb 14 05:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:53:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">quaid: do you get the same feedback warning?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:53:56" class="time">Feb 14 05:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:54:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">don't let me hold it up; it's either pebcak or something about the packages I have installed</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:54:03" class="time">Feb 14 05:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:54:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">mdious: nope</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:54:06" class="time">Feb 14 05:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:54:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">it's getting better</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:54:18" class="time">Feb 14 05:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:54:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">quaid: what error do you get?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:54:18" class="time">Feb 14 05:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:54:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">mine works now. just read the email from jmbabich</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:54:19" class="time">Feb 14 05:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:54:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">quaid: if you created a feedback.xml, make sure you updated the en-US/Book_Name.xml file, so that it includes it...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:54:53" class="time">Feb 14 05:54</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:55:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">mdious: that would be it</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:55:09" class="time">Feb 14 05:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:55:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid, maybe I need to take a trip over there and show you how it works :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:55:19" class="time">Feb 14 05:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:55:26"><td class="action" colspan="2">*jfearn pokes pgampe </td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:55:26" class="time">Feb 14 05:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:55:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">jfearn: weather is nice in Orlando right now, you are welcome to come</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:55:42" class="time">Feb 14 05:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:55:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">but I think all the java developers might make you break out in hives</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:55:54" class="time">Feb 14 05:55</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:56:11"><td class="action" colspan="2">*jfearn loves the jboss brothers</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:56:11" class="time">Feb 14 05:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:56:14"><td class="action" colspan="2">*EvilBob notes Java is Evil</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:56:14" class="time">Feb 14 05:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:56:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">EvilBob: Yeah, but DocBook more than makes up for it ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:56:25" class="time">Feb 14 05:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:56:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">mdious: since Preface.xml is calling Feedback.xml, why add it to Book_Info.xml?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:56:27" class="time">Feb 14 05:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:56:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">jfearn: it's good stuff here, good stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:56:40" class="time">Feb 14 05:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:56:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">quaid: so you can add a preface?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:56:53" class="time">Feb 14 05:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:57:27"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster lost</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 05:57:27" class="time">Feb 14 05:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:57:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">mdious: Of course!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:57:29" class="time">Feb 14 05:57</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 05:57:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">stickster, +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:57:46" class="time">Feb 14 05:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:58:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">SG_Logger, stickster, what are you lost about?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:58:00" class="time">Feb 14 05:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:58:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">well, again, if it's just me, feel free to continue ahead</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:58:16" class="time">Feb 14 05:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:58:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid's question about Book_Info.xml</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:58:16" class="time">Feb 14 05:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:58:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">I'll eventually catch up</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:58:16" class="time">Feb 14 05:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:58:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Oh</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:58:18" class="time">Feb 14 05:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:58:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">nm, read buffer.  self.slap()</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:58:19" class="time">Feb 14 05:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:58:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">all the above but in time i am sure i will pick it up</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:58:37" class="time">Feb 14 05:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:59:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">so...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:59:05" class="time">Feb 14 05:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:59:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">SG_Logger: don't worry in the coming months you will be up to speed</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:59:12" class="time">Feb 14 05:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:59:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">iif i may </td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:59:12" class="time">Feb 14 05:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:59:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">stickster: Book_Info has information about the book, such as product numbers, issue numbers etc (these are used when building an rpm), Book_Name.xml is just a file with xi includes to include your chapter files</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:59:20" class="time">Feb 14 05:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 05:59:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">go ahead</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 05:59:21" class="time">Feb 14 05:59</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="tFeb 14 06:00:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">the command "create_book --name MyBook --brand fedora" will create a template, and workinng docbook file.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:00:10" class="time">Feb 14 06:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:00:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">SgtDitt: correct.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:00:32" class="time">Feb 14 06:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:00:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">then you use any editor to replace the templae information with your proper title...author...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:00:43" class="time">Feb 14 06:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:00:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">using --brand fedora updates the Makefile with "brand = fedora"</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:00:46" class="time">Feb 14 06:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:00:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">to make an article...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:00:55" class="time">Feb 14 06:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:01:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">SgtDitt: yes, you can use the Chapter.xml file as a template...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:01:01" class="time">Feb 14 06:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:01:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">in the subfolder MyBook of the current folder</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:01:15" class="time">Feb 14 06:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:01:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">do the same but "create_book --article --name MyArticle --brand fedora</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:01:34" class="time">Feb 14 06:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:01:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">that might work...:P</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:01:43" class="time">Feb 14 06:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:01:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">it used to...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:01:45" class="time">Feb 14 06:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:01:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">it does. i tried it</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:01:55" class="time">Feb 14 06:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:01:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yup</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:01:58" class="time">Feb 14 06:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:01:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">oh, I think it was set that was taken out</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:01:58" class="time">Feb 14 06:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:02:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">so my question is....</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:02:08" class="time">Feb 14 06:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:02:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">sorry</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:02:15" class="time">Feb 14 06:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:02:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">do we paste xml to wiki for editing?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:02:44" class="time">Feb 14 06:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:02:51"><td class="action" colspan="2">*SgtDitt hiding from darts</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:02:51" class="time">Feb 14 06:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:02:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">SgtDitt: Nope</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:02:52" class="time">Feb 14 06:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:02:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">SgtDitt: But a valiant try</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:02:57" class="time">Feb 14 06:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:03:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">SgtDitt: maybe ask jfearn for a make-wiki target :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:03:10" class="time">Feb 14 06:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:03:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">SgtDitt: You can start on the wiki and move to Docbook</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:03:10" class="time">Feb 14 06:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:03:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">mdious: XXX</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:03:17" class="time">Feb 14 06:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:03:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">NO!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:03:21" class="time">Feb 14 06:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:03:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">The problem with going to the wiki is you lose lots of metadata.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:03:30" class="time">Feb 14 06:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:03:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">i want to use docbook, just trying to see how the 2 tie together</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:03:39" class="time">Feb 14 06:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:03:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">Tsagadai</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">or we could skip the wiki  step and use docbook xml...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:03:41" class="time">Feb 14 06:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:03:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">have you ever gone from xml to the wiki? I thought it was the other way around...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:03:45" class="time">Feb 14 06:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:03:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">The wiki doesn't know the difference between <computeroutput>, <package>, and <command> for example.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:03:46" class="time">Feb 14 06:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:03:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">bad example</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:03:58" class="time">Feb 14 06:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:04:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">The wiki only knows (e.g.)  [3 left brackets] hi there[3 right brackets] </td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:04:02" class="time">Feb 14 06:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:04:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">why wiki?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:04:13" class="time">Feb 14 06:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:04:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">So you can start on the wiki, then bring it *into* DocBook, and then stay there</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:04:14" class="time">Feb 14 06:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:04:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">I can say why in a few lines, if we want to digress</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:04:22" class="time">Feb 14 06:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:04:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">jfearn: Quick question... what about paper sizes for PDF output?  How do I get it to do letter instead of A4?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:04:30" class="time">Feb 14 06:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:05:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">from reading the web site, it says edit in wiki so others can contribute. but i'm cool with just docbook and cvs</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:05:07" class="time">Feb 14 06:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:05:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Wiki is great for getting the most people able to help write at one time.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:05:30" class="time">Feb 14 06:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:05:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jsmith, ohh we never had to deal with that, so we'd have to add that functionality</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:05:32" class="time">Feb 14 06:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:05:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">SgtDitt: you can, it's just that the numbers of contributors that use the wiki and will use the wiki are 10x or more what we can get in XML</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:05:47" class="time">Feb 14 06:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:05:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">but you end up with 2 doc branches. wiki and docbook</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:05:58" class="time">Feb 14 06:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:05:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">jfearn: /etc/papersize is a good place to start ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:05:58" class="time">Feb 14 06:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:06:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">it's a community docs drafting space</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:06:06" class="time">Feb 14 06:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:06:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">then you have to manually merge info</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:06:08" class="time">Feb 14 06:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:06:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">Yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:06:19" class="time">Feb 14 06:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:06:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">hmm, sort of</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:06:23" class="time">Feb 14 06:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:06:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jsmith, I was told letter is dead ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:06:26" class="time">Feb 14 06:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:06:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">only for the release notes</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:06:27" class="time">Feb 14 06:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:06:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">Tsagadai</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">yes but the fact remains that in it's present form the wiki is not accessible enough for just anyone to contribute</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:06:27" class="time">Feb 14 06:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:06:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">Docs/Beats is the "rawhide"</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:06:38" class="time">Feb 14 06:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:06:43"><td class="action" colspan="2">*Tsagadai points at hoops that need jumping before access</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:06:43" class="time">Feb 14 06:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:06:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">jfearn: Funny... I was told the same about A4 ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:06:51" class="time">Feb 14 06:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:06:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jfearn: There's params available for that in the docbook xsl too;</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:06:57" class="time">Feb 14 06:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:06:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">but a guide like the Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide is converted to XML and maintained in that form</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:06:59" class="time">Feb 14 06:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:07:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">the next version might come from the wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:07:06" class="time">Feb 14 06:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:07:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">For e.g. => FO</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:07:10" class="time">Feb 14 06:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:07:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster, yeah, I'd just add a parameter to te Makefile for people to override the all conquering A4 ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:07:31" class="time">Feb 14 06:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:07:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jfearn: This was something that came up on fedora-devel recently too.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:07:53" class="time">Feb 14 06:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:07:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">SgtDitt</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">i like ansi f at my age</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:07:58" class="time">Feb 14 06:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:08:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">jfearn: One other minor note... the documentation.png file still calls it "Documentation-devel" instead of "Publican"</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:08:12" class="time">Feb 14 06:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:08:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">That anaconda ought to try to do the right thing about setting paper size depending on locale</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:08:16" class="time">Feb 14 06:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:08:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">Tsagadai: all of those improvements for the wiki access are in the works; short delivery time (March) for most of the important stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:08:42" class="time">Feb 14 06:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:08:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jsmith, yeah, I figured it would end up being fedora docs team or something</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:08:53" class="time">Feb 14 06:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jfearn: Maybe you can get the Fedora art team to design a cool Publican logo</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:09:04" class="time">Feb 14 06:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:09:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">Tsagadai</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">including anonymous access I hope</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:09:05" class="time">Feb 14 06:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I want it to look just like the fat guy who reads the scrolls in HBO's "Rome" series</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:09:24" class="time">Feb 14 06:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">jfearn: Yeah, probably so for the Fedora brand...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:09:25" class="time">Feb 14 06:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">Tsagadai</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">stickster, that's Ian McNiece :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:09:53" class="time">Feb 14 06:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Right</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:09:59" class="time">Feb 14 06:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster, lolz, a fat guy with a beer!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:09:59" class="time">Feb 14 06:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I love him.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:10:00" class="time">Feb 14 06:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">Tsagadai</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">so do i</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:10:05" class="time">Feb 14 06:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1">andyfitz-</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">stickster,  now that we're settled on Publican  i'm sure we can sort something out :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:10:06" class="time">Feb 14 06:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I clipped a bunch of his lines for the fortune on my blog.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:10:12" class="time">Feb 14 06:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:10:13"><td class="action" colspan="2">*SgtDitt is now known as mdittmeier</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:10:13" class="time">Feb 14 06:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:11:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster is Mr. Pot saying "Mr. Kettle, you're black"</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:11:06" class="time">Feb 14 06:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:12:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">So, I don't want to break up the happy party, because we're very happy to see RH Docs and Content Services guys here</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:12:05" class="time">Feb 14 06:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:12:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Should we figure out a next step?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:12:11" class="time">Feb 14 06:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:12:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Or save that until later?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:12:18" class="time">Feb 14 06:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:12:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">stickster: Would it be worth me pushing a doc through Publican as a test?  Something like the crypto guide?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:12:41" class="time">Feb 14 06:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jsmith: Yes, that would be a great idea -- it's fairly short right now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:13:03" class="time">Feb 14 06:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">jsmith: that should work, but you would have to update the book_name.xml to include all the separate files</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:13:07" class="time">Feb 14 06:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">Tsagadai</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">go for it jsmith</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:13:09" class="time">Feb 14 06:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jsmith: So that would be wiki --> DocBook --> publican --> {targets...}</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:13:17" class="time">Feb 14 06:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">mdious: That's not a problem</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:13:17" class="time">Feb 14 06:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:13:19" class="time">Feb 14 06:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">i never understood how to include more than one file using the fedora toolchain...do edit the makefile with all of them, or just use xi includes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:13:24" class="time">Feb 14 06:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">The crypto guide has a little way to go</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:13:26" class="time">Feb 14 06:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">stickster: Yeah, just like the current toolchain</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:13:32" class="time">Feb 14 06:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">mdious: xi:include is the way to go</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:13:40" class="time">Feb 14 06:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">Sparks: Sure, but this is just a test...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:13:48" class="time">Feb 14 06:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">mdious: Refer to release-notes or installation-guide as example</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:13:51" class="time">Feb 14 06:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jsmith: That would be great</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:14:00" class="time">Feb 14 06:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">Or I could take the Software Management w/ Yum piece</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:14:01" class="time">Feb 14 06:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:14:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">cool, so in the fedora toolchain, the makefile references one file (which i guess, is the same as the book_info in publican), and...?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:14:02" class="time">Feb 14 06:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:14:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">jsmith: Yeah...  Should give you a comparison to the SMG</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:14:06" class="time">Feb 14 06:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:14:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jsmith: You should blog your experience</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:14:10" class="time">Feb 14 06:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:14:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">stickster: thanks, I have the install-guide here</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:14:11" class="time">Feb 14 06:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:14:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">SMG +1 for testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:14:32" class="time">Feb 14 06:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:14:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">stickster: Uh, yeah.... I really should... and then convince someone to make me a hackergotchi, and get syndicated and all</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:14:37" class="time">Feb 14 06:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:14:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">stickster: You really are gonna put me to work, aren't you ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:14:48" class="time">Feb 14 06:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I'll do the hackergotchi for you if you send me a picture you like</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:14:49" class="time">Feb 14 06:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:14:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">not sure how much jsmith already had done with the SMG conversion</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:14:54" class="time">Feb 14 06:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:15:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">Sparks: About 90% or so</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:15:02" class="time">Feb 14 06:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:15:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">jsmith: You mean you aren't done yet?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:15:13" class="time">Feb 14 06:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:15:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">doh!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:15:16" class="time">Feb 14 06:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:15:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">Sparks: It's mostly done, other than the editing</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:15:17" class="time">Feb 14 06:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:15:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">oh, snap!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:15:22" class="time">Feb 14 06:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:15:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">jsmith: :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:15:25" class="time">Feb 14 06:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:15:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">*cough*slacker*cought*</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:15:27" class="time">Feb 14 06:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:15:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">Hey, the hard part is done... it just needs a few eyeballs to wordsmith it</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:15:44" class="time">Feb 14 06:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:15:58"><td class="action" colspan="2">*jsmith may even have a stray edit or two still on his laptop</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:15:58" class="time">Feb 14 06:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:16:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">Tsagadai</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">send me a link jsmith</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:16:00" class="time">Feb 14 06:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:17:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">OK, jfearn, how are you with outcome here?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:17:39" class="time">Feb 14 06:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:18:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster, I'm pretty happy, people seem to have the basics and will be able to play and ask questions :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:18:17" class="time">Feb 14 06:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:18:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">I'd love something committed to /cvs/docs/ that can build with this</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:18:23" class="time">Feb 14 06:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:18:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">let's get the s-m-g in there and do a version that builds with publican too</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:18:38" class="time">Feb 14 06:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:19:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid, can it wait a week? I might be able to get the internationalization guide for you</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:19:07" class="time">Feb 14 06:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:19:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">I'll go ahead and get started with it tomorrow</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:19:21" class="time">Feb 14 06:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:19:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">Sparks, jsmith : I have to hunt-n-nag dkl about the bugzilla name change for that</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:19:23" class="time">Feb 14 06:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:19:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">jfearn: let's let jsmith try it out and see how far he gets</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:19:42" class="time">Feb 14 06:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:19:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: Okay.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:19:49" class="time">Feb 14 06:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:19:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:19:52" class="time">Feb 14 06:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:20:18"><td class="action" colspan="2">*Sparks yawns</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:20:18" class="time">Feb 14 06:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:20:36"><td class="action" colspan="2">*quaid sends up flares</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:20:36" class="time">Feb 14 06:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:20:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">Quaid .. needs .. food .. badly ..</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:20:47" class="time">Feb 14 06:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:20:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">OK, I'll get started in the morning</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:20:54" class="time">Feb 14 06:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:20:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: I have pie.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:20:55" class="time">Feb 14 06:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:21:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">mmm pie</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:21:00" class="time">Feb 14 06:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:21:03"><td class="action" colspan="2">*jsmith throws quaid a twinkie</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:21:03" class="time">Feb 14 06:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:21:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: Cherry pie</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:21:07" class="time">Feb 14 06:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:21:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: Made it myself</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:21:12" class="time">Feb 14 06:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:21:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">jsmith: bug here and/or the list if you get stuck</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:21:21" class="time">Feb 14 06:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:21:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">Sparks: you far from Orlando?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:21:27" class="time">Feb 14 06:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:21:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">quaid: You know I will ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:21:43" class="time">Feb 14 06:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:21:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: Southeastern Virginia</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:21:44" class="time">Feb 14 06:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:21:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mdious</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">yeah, if you get any errors just post to the list...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:21:45" class="time">Feb 14 06:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:21:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: far is so relative</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:21:52" class="time">Feb 14 06:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:23:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">true</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:23:00" class="time">Feb 14 06:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:23:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">however there must be something good here and the carbon footprint on it has already been burned ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:23:13" class="time">Feb 14 06:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:23:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4">mdittmeier</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">ha! we start flying from Oldano to VA in march if you can wait</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:23:13" class="time">Feb 14 06:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:23:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4">mdittmeier</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">s/Olando/Orland</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:23:38" class="time">Feb 14 06:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:23:46"><td class="action" colspan="2">*quaid rips his bastardized publican packages out and installs again</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:23:46" class="time">Feb 14 06:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:24:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">Sparks,  so you are in my neck of the woods</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:24:08" class="time">Feb 14 06:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:24:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">mdittmeier: Flying into what airport in VA?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:24:12" class="time">Feb 14 06:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:24:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">I saw it all work on a different host, so it's just me :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:24:15" class="time">Feb 14 06:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:24:19"><td class="action" colspan="2">*jsmith is in VA too!</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:24:19" class="time">Feb 14 06:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:24:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: It's always just you</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:24:37" class="time">Feb 14 06:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:24:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">SG_Logger: Where are you?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:24:56" class="time">Feb 14 06:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:25:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">blacksburg</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:25:04" class="time">Feb 14 06:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:25:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Ahhh... Newport News</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:25:18" class="time">Feb 14 06:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:25:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b"><= King of Pebcak</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:25:28" class="time">Feb 14 06:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:25:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">opps you said SE</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:25:29" class="time">Feb 14 06:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:25:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4">mdittmeier</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">Richmond airport</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:25:35" class="time">Feb 14 06:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:25:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">i thought SW</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:25:38" class="time">Feb 14 06:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:25:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4">mdittmeier</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">Spirit</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:25:49" class="time">Feb 14 06:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:26:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">*mdious glares at red hat campers</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:26:05" class="time">Feb 14 06:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:26:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">mdittmeier: okay... about an hour away.  Come on down to the Newport News-Williamsburg International Airport... :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:26:13" class="time">Feb 14 06:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:26:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">*jfearn pokes davido </td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:26:17" class="time">Feb 14 06:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:26:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #b86161">davido</th><td class="text" style="color: #b86161">jfearn, what?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:26:32" class="time">Feb 14 06:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:26:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">Tsagadai</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">boom! headshot</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:26:45" class="time">Feb 14 06:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:26:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #b86161">davido</th><td class="text" style="color: #b86161">I'm innocent</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:26:46" class="time">Feb 14 06:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:26:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">daMaestro, just making sure you where OK, at your age to much silense can scare poeple</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:26:53" class="time">Feb 14 06:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:27:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">doh</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:27:02" class="time">Feb 14 06:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:27:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Okay, I'm headed to bed.  Thanks for the startup on Publican!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:27:05" class="time">Feb 14 06:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:27:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">Great intro!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:27:17" class="time">Feb 14 06:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:27:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">Thanks jfearn... I'm super excited</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:27:33" class="time">Feb 14 06:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:27:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4">mdittmeier</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">yes, nice work</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:27:37" class="time">Feb 14 06:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:27:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #b86161">davido</th><td class="text" style="color: #b86161">jfearn, I'm just making sure you don't tell any lies or blame us writers for anything</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:27:38" class="time">Feb 14 06:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:27:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4">mdittmeier</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:27:41" class="time">Feb 14 06:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:28:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">thank for coming, I'm on the fedora docs list, so if you have any questions that's the place to ask</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:28:13" class="time">Feb 14 06:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:28:18"><td class="action" colspan="2">*pgampe (n=pgampe@nat/redhat/x-2bb662e2e8dd7b95) has left #fedora-docs ("Kopete 0.12.7 : <a href="http://kopete.kde.org">http://kopete.kde.org</a>")</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:28:18" class="time">Feb 14 06:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:28:18"><td class="action" colspan="2">*daMaestro makes some random cow noise</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:28:18" class="time">Feb 14 06:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:28:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">jfearn, pretabenterkeyitis</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:28:23" class="time">Feb 14 06:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:28:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:28:32" class="time">Feb 14 06:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:29:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">SG_Logger, guilty as charged</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:29:07" class="time">Feb 14 06:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:30:36"><td class="action" colspan="2">*mdious has quit ("Leaving.")</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:30:36" class="time">Feb 14 06:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:31:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jsmith: Still there?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:31:04" class="time">Feb 14 06:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:31:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">stickster: Yup</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:31:11" class="time">Feb 14 06:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:31:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">stickster: But not for long</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:31:16" class="time">Feb 14 06:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:31:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">jwulf</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">pants</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:31:59" class="time">Feb 14 06:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:32:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">It's in mah pants!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:32:35" class="time">Feb 14 06:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:32:40"><td class="action" colspan="2">*EvilBob had to buy pants for FUDcon...</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:32:40" class="time">Feb 14 06:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:32:45"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster too</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:32:45" class="time">Feb 14 06:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:33:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I wear Jeans or Shorts most of the time when I am out of the house</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:33:19" class="time">Feb 14 06:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:33:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">when I am in the office yall are lucky we don't do video chat</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:33:39" class="time">Feb 14 06:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:33:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">and how</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:33:51" class="time">Feb 14 06:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:34:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">glezos, he saw where I work most of the time</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:34:11" class="time">Feb 14 06:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:34:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">one hand on the kettle or sauce pan, one on the keyboard</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:34:28" class="time">Feb 14 06:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:34:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">EvilBob: Number one reason videophones never became popular</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:34:35" class="time">Feb 14 06:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:34:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">quaid: clothing optional beach?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:34:35" class="time">Feb 14 06:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:34:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">cookin' wif FOSS, yo!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:34:39" class="time">Feb 14 06:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:34:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">so I guess it's the little apron that would be embarassing</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:34:40" class="time">Feb 14 06:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:35:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">SG_Logger</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">at work wears cargo pants at home sweats</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:35:03" class="time">Feb 14 06:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:35:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4">mdittmeier</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">lol, come on down here to Miami!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:35:16" class="time">Feb 14 06:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:35:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4">mdittmeier</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">they were cool stuff (nothing)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:35:31" class="time">Feb 14 06:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:37:27"><td class="action" colspan="2">*mdious (n=mmcallis@nat/redhat/x-e61566572306d77d) has joined #fedora-docs</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:37:27" class="time">Feb 14 06:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:38:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">All right, I had a crap day and I'm gonna call it one now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:38:42" class="time">Feb 14 06:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:38:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">one last thing</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:38:51" class="time">Feb 14 06:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:39:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I have the packages branched for F-*, El-4 and EL-5, is it OK for me to try and get those packages pushed?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:39:25" class="time">Feb 14 06:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:39:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #62bb62">BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #62bb62">stickster: Good Night Boss</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:39:26" class="time">Feb 14 06:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:39:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f-8</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:39:34" class="time">Feb 14 06:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:39:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #62bb62">BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #62bb62">jfearn: they built fine here</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:39:47" class="time">Feb 14 06:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:40:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">stickster: adios, amigo</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:40:06" class="time">Feb 14 06:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:40:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Go for it!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:40:07" class="time">Feb 14 06:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:40:14"><td class="action" colspan="2">*jsmith is running it on F8 on both PPC and i386</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:40:14" class="time">Feb 14 06:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:40:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jfearn: Thanks very much for your time today</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:40:17" class="time">Feb 14 06:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:40:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:40:23" class="time">Feb 14 06:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:40:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">probably some missing deps from the epel repos, but F-8 should be fine</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:40:30" class="time">Feb 14 06:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:40:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #62bb62">BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #62bb62">jfearn: I have only run publican-fedora and publican through my shredder fir i386 and x86_64</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:40:55" class="time">Feb 14 06:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:41:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">jfearn: so they'll be in EPEL? rockin'</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:41:05" class="time">Feb 14 06:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:41:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster looks forward to more partnership with RH Docs</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:41:17" class="time">Feb 14 06:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:41:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:41:24" class="time">Feb 14 06:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:41:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid, yeah, I'll probably have to get some other packages branched for epel though</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:41:25" class="time">Feb 14 06:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:41:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">g'night all</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:41:28" class="time">Feb 14 06:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:41:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">stickster: Have a good night!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:41:34" class="time">Feb 14 06:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:41:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">ah, oy</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:41:35" class="time">Feb 14 06:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:41:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">joy</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:41:38" class="time">Feb 14 06:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:41:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">night Paul</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:41:42" class="time">Feb 14 06:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:41:46"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster is now known as stickster_afk</td><td><a href="#tFeb 14 06:41:46" class="time">Feb 14 06:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:41:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">good morning, good afternoon and good night</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:41:49" class="time">Feb 14 06:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="tFeb 14 06:43:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jfearn</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'm going to have lunch, I'll be back on later if anyone has any questions</td><td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 14 06:43:12" class="time">Feb 14 06:43</a></td></tr>
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