Meeting:Marketing meeting 2009-02-19

Transcript of Marketing meeting, Feb. 19, 2009

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[2009-02-19 20:02:59] * spevack is like the Meeting Terminator today
[2009-02-19 20:03:05] <moixs> hehe :)
[2009-02-19 20:03:10] <spevack> charging from one to another and leaving destruction in my wake
[2009-02-19 20:04:18] <themayor> lol
[2009-02-19 20:04:27] <themayor> how many are here so far
[2009-02-19 20:04:46] <biertie> biertie here!
[2009-02-19 20:04:57] <moixs> Rolling call?
[2009-02-19 20:04:58] <biertie> .fas biertie
[2009-02-19 20:04:58] <zodbot> biertie: biertie 'Bert Desmet' <bert@devnox.be>
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[2009-02-19 20:05:50] <themayor> yeah roll call i guess
[2009-02-19 20:05:57] <moixs> Steven Moix
[2009-02-19 20:05:58] <themayor> lets make it quick i dont want to fall behind
[2009-02-19 20:06:03] <mizmo-out> hi
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[2009-02-19 20:06:11] <fugolini> FrancescoUgolini
[2009-02-19 20:06:18] * themayor waves to mizmo
[2009-02-19 20:06:23] <mizmo> Máirín Duffy
[2009-02-19 20:06:24] <mizmo> yo themayor
[2009-02-19 20:07:40] <themayor> lcafeiro is on his way to scale i know that
[2009-02-19 20:08:15] <spevack> Max
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[2009-02-19 20:08:24] <spevack> still trying to extract himself from #fedora-ambassadors meeting
[2009-02-19 20:08:32] <themayor> np
[2009-02-19 20:08:48] <themayor> alright, moixs youre recording, right?
[2009-02-19 20:08:54] <moixs> This time, yes :)
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[2009-02-19 20:09:36] <themayor> okay thanks for that
[2009-02-19 20:09:47] <themayor> did you see the not about the irclog2html thing?
[2009-02-19 20:09:59] <themayor> should make your life alot easier
[2009-02-19 20:10:20] <moixs> Yes, I already experimented with it
[2009-02-19 20:10:32] <themayor> okay great
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[2009-02-19 20:10:45] <moixs> should be up 1 minute after the meeting ;) So spevack should be happy
[2009-02-19 20:10:51] <themayor> anyway, lets move on to bigger and better things then
[2009-02-19 20:10:57] * spevack is willing to give you 10 minutes :)
[2009-02-19 20:11:02] <themayor> lol
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[2009-02-19 20:11:55] <spevack> ping?
[2009-02-19 20:12:30] <themayor> yeah
[2009-02-19 20:12:40] <themayor> i was looking something up in email
[2009-02-19 20:12:43] <themayor> alright
[2009-02-19 20:12:58] <themayor> so im glad that people were receptive to the new idea
[2009-02-19 20:13:16] <themayor> so we gonna start working from that starting from this meeting
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[2009-02-19 20:13:32] <themayor> i kind of sucks that ianweller and jonrob cant make it to the meetings anymore
[2009-02-19 20:14:05] <fugolini> can we have a new meeting time?
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[2009-02-19 20:14:24] <fugolini> (to have them here)
[2009-02-19 20:14:25] <themayor> if thats what everyone wants and it will get more people here, then sure, im not opposed
[2009-02-19 20:14:55] <spevack> well, let's do what we can today, without them. is there anything on our agenda that doesn't involve ian or jonrob?
[2009-02-19 20:15:00] <herlo> a couple hours later in the day would probably all that needs to happen...
[2009-02-19 20:15:20] <themayor> yeah, yes, i was about to say, lets not discuss it right now, but do it on the list
[2009-02-19 20:15:24] <moixs> a couple of hours later is in the middle of the night in europe :p
[2009-02-19 20:15:30] <biertie> a couple hours = like...? :p
[2009-02-19 20:15:44] <themayor> it might need to be earlier actually
[2009-02-19 20:15:45] * herlo agrees with spevack, however
[2009-02-19 20:15:49] <biertie> I can come till 21 or 22h utc :)
[2009-02-19 20:16:02] <moixs> Let's ask this on the mailinglist
[2009-02-19 20:16:07] <herlo> this can be discussed on the ml
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[2009-02-19 20:16:15] <fugolini> +1
[2009-02-19 20:16:18] <themayor> okay, can someone be the wrangler for this stuff and try and coordinate between everyone?
[2009-02-19 20:16:29] <themayor> and then report back to us next week?
[2009-02-19 20:16:42] <moixs> I'll do it
[2009-02-19 20:16:46] <themayor> or send an official mail to the list regarding what should be done
[2009-02-19 20:16:50] <themayor> moixs: thanks again man
[2009-02-19 20:17:10] <themayor> ideally if we are going to change times, we should have it done by next week already
[2009-02-19 20:17:11] <themayor> agreed?
[2009-02-19 20:17:24] <spevack> yes
[2009-02-19 20:17:25] <biertie> agreed :)
[2009-02-19 20:17:35] <themayor> okay good
[2009-02-19 20:18:07] <themayor> now moving on, moixs thanks for your post to the list about action items that should be on the calendar
[2009-02-19 20:18:11] <themayor> did everyone see that?
[2009-02-19 20:18:29] * biertie did
[2009-02-19 20:18:33] <moixs> I think that this should be put on the wiki so everyone can add ideas in the subtasks
[2009-02-19 20:19:30] <themayor> yes agreed
[2009-02-19 20:19:37] <themayor> i was going to ask you if you thought you had time to do so
[2009-02-19 20:20:36] <themayor> so the schedule from now on is going to be on Marketing/Schedule/Current
[2009-02-19 20:20:55] <themayor> and thats going to be a link to Marketing/Schedule/Fedora 11 Marketing Schedule
[2009-02-19 20:20:59] <spevack> themayor: you mean Current_marketing_schedule to keep our wiki overlords happy :)
[2009-02-19 20:21:06] <spevack> and Category:Marketing
[2009-02-19 20:21:08] <themayor> yeah whatever
[2009-02-19 20:21:26] <themayor> im bad with that stuff, i need to work with pfrields or kwade to get that stuff in order
[2009-02-19 20:21:42] <spevack> Well, we start by making any new pages in the proper fashion
[2009-02-19 20:21:43] <themayor> but conceptually, we are on the same page
[2009-02-19 20:21:51] <spevack> yes, please continue
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[2009-02-19 20:21:52] <themayor> spevack: yes, thats what i meant
[2009-02-19 20:22:05] <moixs> themayor: ok, I'll manage that tomorrow too
[2009-02-19 20:22:18] <themayor> i dont even know if i did the current schedule page correctly
[2009-02-19 20:22:39] <themayor> because i used Template:Marketing/Schedule/Template and I think thats not good right?
[2009-02-19 20:23:30] <spevack> Content is more important than presentation, IMHO. Throw it up on the right page (Current_marketing_schedule) and then clean it up
[2009-02-19 20:23:31] <themayor> either way from last week's meeting everyone was supposed to send me tasks that thought should be on there and no one did yet, except for moixs
[2009-02-19 20:24:20] <themayor> okay so can we discuss then the range of things which we need to do for each release and then carry that over into specifically f11?
[2009-02-19 20:24:22] <spevack> themayor: I thought the tasks that were on JonRob's schedule page were quite complete
[2009-02-19 20:24:29] <spevack> themayor: +1
[2009-02-19 20:25:03] <themayor> the stuff thats on there is for now, yes
[2009-02-19 20:25:10] <themayor> except there are 1-2 things that need to be added
[2009-02-19 20:25:19] <themayor> but anyway, working with what we have
[2009-02-19 20:25:30] <themayor> lay press contacts, that list will be up at the meeting next week
[2009-02-19 20:25:40] <themayor> i have a list here of people we usually talk to and people we might want to speak to
[2009-02-19 20:26:14] <spevack> themayor: who's in charge of the lay press contacts?
[2009-02-19 20:26:16] <themayor> due date is 03-03 so i figure if we have it by next week, its enough time for people to look it over and tell me what they think and if we are missing anone
[2009-02-19 20:26:22] <themayor> me
[2009-02-19 20:26:30] <spevack> ok. :)
[2009-02-19 20:26:31] <themayor> of contacting them or making the list?
[2009-02-19 20:26:35] * herlo makes a suggestion about the wiki
[2009-02-19 20:26:37] <spevack> making the list
[2009-02-19 20:26:50] <spevack> herlo: suggest away
[2009-02-19 20:26:55] <themayor> im responsible for the initial list and i guess we will work with it from there
[2009-02-19 20:27:00] <themayor> herlo: go
[2009-02-19 20:27:02] <herlo> as you go to pages that have this/that/theother just do a move to the appropriate name this_that_theother
[2009-02-19 20:27:06] <herlo> that's what I do
[2009-02-19 20:27:13] <spevack> herlo: clever man
[2009-02-19 20:27:15] <herlo> it will make moving things around a lot easier
[2009-02-19 20:27:20] <herlo> and everyone can help
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[2009-02-19 20:27:44] <fugolini> sure
[2009-02-19 20:27:47] <herlo> if you don't know what to change it to, ask the WikiCzar :)
[2009-02-19 20:27:59] <themayor> we need to make a session where we can meet up and have ian here and work on that stuff
[2009-02-19 20:28:08] <moixs> herlo: so the wiki structure is basically completely "flat" now?
[2009-02-19 20:28:15] <herlo> moixs: yep
[2009-02-19 20:28:18] <herlo> basically
[2009-02-19 20:28:19] <moixs> ahha
[2009-02-19 20:28:27] <herlo> the trick is to also add categories
[2009-02-19 20:28:33] <themayor> if we focus on it for an hour once or twice between now and say 2 weeks from now, we could accomplish quite alot
[2009-02-19 20:28:53] <herlo> like at the bottom of the pages making them relevant and they'll show up in the category pages
[2009-02-19 20:29:02] <herlo> that's how mediawiki categorizes things
[2009-02-19 20:29:05] <themayor> ill kickstart that discussion on the list right now actually
[2009-02-19 20:29:10] <moixs> herlo: yep, I've seen that, thanks
[2009-02-19 20:29:18] <herlo> np, good luck all
[2009-02-19 20:29:31] <moixs> themayor: include a discussion about pages we could delete
[2009-02-19 20:29:32] <herlo> feel free to hit me up with q's too
[2009-02-19 20:29:52] <themayor> herlo: would you want to help lead one of those session then maybe?
[2009-02-19 20:29:54] <herlo> moixs: deleting pages is a whole other discussion
[2009-02-19 20:29:58] <herlo> themayor: sure
[2009-02-19 20:30:29] <moixs> herlo: may I ask why?
[2009-02-19 20:30:32] <themayor> okay awesome, thanks, just reply to the thread and we will figure out the logsitics together i guess
[2009-02-19 20:31:19] <herlo> moixs: in #fedora-mktg, I'll explain so we don't detract
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[2009-02-19 20:31:28] <themayor> okay great
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[2009-02-19 20:32:03] <themayor> anyway, now, so we have tasks for f11 set more or less, we will add things to it, im sure, so i want to talk generally now
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[2009-02-19 20:32:24] <themayor> lets walk through a release cycle and try and enumerate what we need to do, just to get an inital list
[2009-02-19 20:32:30] <themayor> sound good?
[2009-02-19 20:32:33] <fugolini> yes
[2009-02-19 20:32:48] <spevack> go for it
[2009-02-19 20:33:02] <herlo> +1
[2009-02-19 20:33:38] <themayor> okay so one thing i was having kind of a struggle with was this
[2009-02-19 20:33:46] <themayor> lets start at 6 weeks prior to an alpha
[2009-02-19 20:33:53] <moixs> themayor: let me put my list quickly on the wiki so we can update it in real time
[2009-02-19 20:33:59] <themayor> okay sure
[2009-02-19 20:34:03] <moixs> it will be more efficient than doing it afterwards
[2009-02-19 20:34:06] <spevack> themayor: is 6 weeks prior to alpha basically the previous release?
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[2009-02-19 20:34:23] <themayor> its a little after isnt it?
[2009-02-19 20:34:41] <themayor> the alpha doesnt come out 6 weeks after GA
[2009-02-19 20:35:03] <moixs> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule/Template
[2009-02-19 20:35:06] <themayor> unless im misunderstanding what you are asking
[2009-02-19 20:35:25] <spevack> themayor: you understand me
[2009-02-19 20:35:27] <moixs> here you go, can you update it during the meeting?
[2009-02-19 20:35:28] <spevack> carry on, sorry
[2009-02-19 20:36:04] <themayor> yeah one second the page is taking a while to refresh maybe a cache flush
[2009-02-19 20:36:17] <spevack> moixs: pretty good list, there
[2009-02-19 20:36:33] <spevack> what does " * Renew the news distribution network people list to always have " mean?
[2009-02-19 20:36:45] <themayor> he means have it update for this release
[2009-02-19 20:36:55] <themayor> meaning if there is stale info on it or someone we dont want to deal with
[2009-02-19 20:37:00] <moixs> spevack: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/NewsDistributionNetwork
[2009-02-19 20:37:21] <moixs> yes, to avoid te ambassador effect :)
[2009-02-19 20:37:42] <moixs> I think it would be a good idea to ask people at every cycle if they still want the job
[2009-02-19 20:38:00] <moixs> 2-3 people per language, not hard to manage
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[2009-02-19 20:38:49] <spevack> ok, makes sense. I think we need a checkpoint other than "FUDCon" though, since there is not always guaranteed to be a FUDCon at the right time in the release cycle
[2009-02-19 20:39:05] <themayor> yeah thats why i said 6 weeks prior to alpha
[2009-02-19 20:39:06] <spevack> all the checkpoints should be at a certain date, X weeks/days before the release date
[2009-02-19 20:39:09] <spevack> themayor: yeah
[2009-02-19 20:39:13] * spevack updates the page
[2009-02-19 20:39:18] <moixs> Ok, change it to "Alpha -6 weeks" or something like that
[2009-02-19 20:39:36] <themayor> i like t-minus X weeks to alpha, beta, etc
[2009-02-19 20:39:37] <spevack> done
[2009-02-19 20:39:44] <themayor> alpha-6
[2009-02-19 20:40:15] <moixs> So, what do you see us doing in this period?
[2009-02-19 20:40:42] <themayor> okay also one VERY important thing
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[2009-02-19 20:40:47] <themayor> talking points
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[2009-02-19 20:41:06] <themayor> and have the first of the two meetings between us, fam, docs and art
[2009-02-19 20:41:29] <themayor> actually, mizmo, when do you start developing themes for a new release?
[2009-02-19 20:42:34] <mizmo> themayor, we already started
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[2009-02-19 20:42:41] <mizmo> themayor, we'll have a wallpaper in the beta
[2009-02-19 20:42:44] <mizmo> (a rough cut i might add)
[2009-02-19 20:42:48] <mizmo> (very rough)
[2009-02-19 20:42:51] <themayor> no i know, but im saying in the future, in general how many weeks before
[2009-02-19 20:43:12] <mizmo> it's changed every release. generally we've been pushing further and further back so we are as early as we can
[2009-02-19 20:43:16] <mizmo> be
[2009-02-19 20:43:32] * herlo thinks those points in time should be defined as 'Milestones' of their own maybe?
[2009-02-19 20:43:46] <herlo> and can be defined against alpha beta or GA?
[2009-02-19 20:44:01] <themayor> yes
[2009-02-19 20:44:08] <themayor> this is why we need to have those types of meetings
[2009-02-19 20:44:12] <herlo> that way, they can move a little...
[2009-02-19 20:44:25] <themayor> to iron out policy and process to coordinate
[2009-02-19 20:44:39] <herlo> right
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[2009-02-19 20:45:11] <mizmo> poelcat does have that all defined in his f11 schedule
[2009-02-19 20:45:39] <themayor> right we are trying to set up the same thing for marketing, as a general template for every release
[2009-02-19 20:46:41] <themayor> mizmo: for f12 is 6 weeks before alpha too late to sit down and talk about the artwork for you guys?
[2009-02-19 20:47:42] <mizmo> themayor, not if we have a release name by then
[2009-02-19 20:47:49] <mizmo> we did not for the f11 alpha -6 weeks
[2009-02-19 20:47:56] <mizmo> iirc
[2009-02-19 20:48:21] <themayor> ah ha, good point, art would naturally be tied to release name somewhow
[2009-02-19 20:48:32] <moixs> Ah yes, the release name is an important trigger too..do we have an idea when this comes?
[2009-02-19 20:48:43] <themayor> how long before alpha is name voting done? spevack do you know?
[2009-02-19 20:49:05] <spevack> themayor: let me look back at F11 and i'll tell you in a few mins
[2009-02-19 20:49:11] <fugolini> ping
[2009-02-19 20:49:19] * herlo thinks we call that a Milestone: Official Codename Announced
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[2009-02-19 20:49:43] <mizmo> themayor, you'll probably want to look at poelcat's schedule, he has all these milestones on it
[2009-02-19 20:49:54] <spevack> themayor: voting began on Jan 5
[2009-02-19 20:50:03] <spevack> so about 1 month before alpha
[2009-02-19 20:50:03] <themayor> i did i dont remember seeing that
[2009-02-19 20:50:07] <themayor> let me look again
[2009-02-19 20:50:18] <mizmo> it should be, he had it out at fudcon boston not long ago
[2009-02-19 20:50:22] <mizmo> and i remember that being on there
[2009-02-19 20:50:36] <themayor> i was going to sit with poelstra regardless on our template schedule to make sure everything looks kosher to him
[2009-02-19 20:50:39] <moixs> I have this in the news archive page :p
[2009-02-19 20:51:06] <spevack> themayor: good idea
[2009-02-19 20:51:08] <themayor> mizmo: no im not denying youre right, im just blaming my bad memory and over-involvedness
[2009-02-19 20:51:15] <moixs> 12.01
[2009-02-19 20:51:20] <herlo> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/
[2009-02-19 20:51:26] <mizmo> its all good :)
[2009-02-19 20:51:31] <moixs> And the alpha was released on 06.02
[2009-02-19 20:51:40] <herlo> does that help?
[2009-02-19 20:51:43] <themayor> either way, that fits in the alpha minus 6 timeframe, so in a word, yes, its good to have that meeting then
[2009-02-19 20:52:28] <themayor> its perfect, right before we have the name, art should be gearing up, ambassadors are doing what they do and docs is working on retooling things for the next release
[2009-02-19 20:53:00] <mizmo> well we need an extra two weeks
[2009-02-19 20:53:05] <mizmo> the voting began on jan 5
[2009-02-19 20:53:12] <mizmo> the name was decided when?
[2009-02-19 20:53:17] <herlo> at fudcon
[2009-02-19 20:53:21] <moixs> 12.01
[2009-02-19 20:53:42] <moixs> or 01.12 in US notation
[2009-02-19 20:53:47] <herlo> ty
[2009-02-19 20:53:53] * herlo was gettign so confused :)
[2009-02-19 20:53:58] <mizmo> so the art team gets 2 weeks to figure out what to visually represent?
[2009-02-19 20:54:03] * mizmo doesnt remember what it was for f11
[2009-02-19 20:54:09] <mizmo> i think it was feb 2
[2009-02-19 20:54:12] <mizmo> so we did get 2 weeks
[2009-02-19 20:54:33] <mizmo> i mean, 6 weeks before the alpha, the first 4 weeks the art team is not going to know what they are doing for the artwork
[2009-02-19 20:54:44] <mizmo> and you were interested in 6 weeks before
[2009-02-19 20:55:29] <themayor> mizmo: you dont have to have decision or anything by then
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[2009-02-19 20:55:42] <themayor> its just like a pre-milestone metting to get coordinated between each other
[2009-02-19 20:55:58] <themayor> and to make sure if you need marketing to help with anything, that we are doing ti
[2009-02-19 20:56:09] <themayor> adn will be able to have it on schedule assigned to someone
[2009-02-19 20:56:14] <spevack> themayor: may I offer a suggestion?
[2009-02-19 20:56:27] <mizmo> themayor, ohhh okay
[2009-02-19 20:56:30] <mizmo> themayor, makes sense
[2009-02-19 20:56:39] <themayor> spevack: yes
[2009-02-19 20:57:05] <spevack> one of the things that we need to recognize here is that especially in the context of a release, and the schedule of tasks around a release
[2009-02-19 20:57:19] <spevack> there is a lot of coordination needed between marketing, websites, and artwork, in all directions.
[2009-02-19 20:57:35] <spevack> I think that it would be wise to have a checkpoint before Alpha, Beta, RC, Final for those three groups to all get on the same page
[2009-02-19 20:57:49] <spevack> thoughts from anyone?
[2009-02-19 20:58:10] <moixs> Add this task to the list then, a joint meeting to see if no group lags behind
[2009-02-19 20:58:14] <fugolini> nothing from my side, at list for this point
[2009-02-19 20:58:36] <herlo> +1 spevack
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[2009-02-19 20:59:18] <themayor> thats why i proposed two meetings
[2009-02-19 20:59:27] <themayor> one before alpha and one between beta and GA
[2009-02-19 20:59:38] <themayor> but if we want to we can add another
[2009-02-19 20:59:52] <themayor> spevack: thoughts?
[2009-02-19 21:00:09] * mmcgrath coughs
[2009-02-19 21:00:33] <mmcgrath> you guys almost ready or should we move to #fedora-admin?
[2009-02-19 21:00:43] <spevack> ah, sorry mike
[2009-02-19 21:00:48] <spevack> we'll move to #fedora-mktg
[2009-02-19 21:00:55] <spevack> themayor: sounds good, btw
[2009-02-19 21:00:56] <fugolini> ok
[2009-02-19 21:01:00] <themayor> yeah will that mess up the log, btw?
[2009-02-19 21:01:05] <mmcgrath> no worries
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[2009-02-19 21:01:16] <spevack> themayor: i'll work with moixs to make sure it all works out
[2009-02-19 21:01:39] <spevack> EVERYONE, TO #FEDORA-MKTG
[2009-02-19 21:02:51] <moixs> Started to log this channel too ;)
[2009-02-19 21:03:31] <themayor> you the man
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[2009-02-19 21:05:13] <moixs> Ok, do any of you have other bright ideas to put in the milestones?
[2009-02-19 21:05:56] <spevack> moixs: not right now, I need to think it over a bit with more of a clear head
[2009-02-19 21:05:58] <fugolini> sounds good. Maybe something from Release Events
[2009-02-19 21:06:14] <fugolini> but I don't want to overweight the milestones
[2009-02-19 21:06:20] <fugolini> ""
[2009-02-19 21:06:23] <moixs> What we should look at is the current position in the cycle
[2009-02-19 21:06:39] <moixs> We should assign ourselves to SIGs and features
[2009-02-19 21:07:09] <fugolini> ah ok
[2009-02-19 21:07:26] <moixs> Do you also think that a couple of days thinking on the mailinglist would be god?
[2009-02-19 21:07:56] <themayor> yeah but we need to make sure this happens on the list
[2009-02-19 21:08:02] <fugolini> maybe just push it and, let people the possibility to add something
[2009-02-19 21:08:32] <themayor> because every week we say that and im sure we all have good intentions but i feel like alot of us get hyped up at the meeting and then get too involved in other things later
[2009-02-19 21:09:09] <moixs> themayor: this is directly rlated to the thread you started today, do you want to continue it there or start a new one?
[2009-02-19 21:10:03] <themayor> fell free to start a new one
[2009-02-19 21:10:17] <moixs> ok ,I add it to my list
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[2009-02-19 21:11:00] <moixs> Do you see other things to talk about?
[2009-02-19 21:11:55] <fugolini> no
[2009-02-19 21:12:05] <themayor> moixs: in what context, now for the meeting?
[2009-02-19 21:12:12] <moixs> yes :)
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[2009-02-19 21:13:00] <moixs> So if we set the goal to rename pages on the wiki ans complete the schedule until next week, does it seem realistic?
[2009-02-19 21:13:09] <moixs> s/ans/and/
[2009-02-19 21:14:22] <fugolini> From a outer POV i could say to try, but I'm not direct involved so, maybe the people involved could be more interested than me :)
[2009-02-19 21:14:36] <themayor> yes, i dont think anything will ever be set in stone
[2009-02-19 21:14:46] <themayor> but i think we have a good shot
[2009-02-19 21:15:04] <themayor> i think for the most part if i add stuff to the schedule, its done and then we need to port it to f11
[2009-02-19 21:15:15] <moixs> yes
[2009-02-19 21:15:17] <themayor> and take whats on jonrobs page to there
[2009-02-19 21:15:29] <moixs> exactly :)
[2009-02-19 21:16:28] <moixs> I guess the meeting is over? :)
[2009-02-19 21:17:45] <themayor> i guess so
[2009-02-19 21:17:46] <fugolini> so, if it so. Bye
[2009-02-19 21:17:51] <themayor> i was about to say, are we adjourned?
[2009-02-19 21:17:59] <moixs> yep, have a good night :)
[2009-02-19 21:18:27] <fugolini> you too
[2009-02-19 21:18:47] <themayor> thank you guys very much