Meeting:Marketing meeting 2009-06-30

ianweller	#startmeeting Fedora Marketing	20:01
ianweller	#chair themayor	20:02
ianweller	:)	20:02
ianweller	where's the list of people themayor usually pings lol	20:04
themayor	im here	20:04
themayor	i usually ping moixs, mizmo, herlo, err who else	20:04
themayor	inode0: ping	20:05
themayor	jds2001: ping	20:05
themayor	anyway	20:06
themayor	lets just get started	20:06
themayor	okay so basically i wanted to discuss as a follow up from last weeks meeting	20:08
themayor	there has been some action on foobar	20:08
mizmo	yoyo	20:08
themayor	rahul and some others have been working on news.fp.o, or they were actually and there was no traction for a while	20:08
themayor	so after some confusion, rahul sort of agreed we should ditch that	20:09
ianweller	is foobar the name or just the codename we're working with	20:09
themayor	just the codename	20:09
ianweller	ok	20:09
themayor	we havent picked a name yet, but as you can see many have been offered	20:09
themayor	i dont think its important to pick a name right now, before we start getting things together, maybe next week we can spend time picking a name	20:10
themayor	mizmo: have you seen the wiki page	20:10
ianweller	understood	20:10
mizmo	themayor: last week i did im guessing theres more content since then?	20:10
themayor	some, i dont know when you looked at it	20:10
themayor	anyway so basically jonrob, you are back in action?	20:11
JonRob	i'm on summer vacation now, yeah :)	20:11
ianweller	#topic foobar	20:11
themayor	okay, great, and i take it you intend to help with project foobar then?	20:12
JonRob	i would love to	20:12
JonRob	i worked pretty hard and long for news.fp.o, so if we can get its natural successor up and running, i'd be very happy	20:12
themayor	awesome alright	20:12
themayor	yeah i think this new project has alot of potentiak	20:13
themayor	okay so all that being said, i think we should try and do 2 things today	20:13
themayor	first, see if we want to add anything to the goals, or direction of the project while we are still in the early phases	20:14
themayor	and then second, lets start figuring out some action items and gettting the ball rolling	20:14
themayor	sound good?	20:14
ianweller	sure	20:15
mizmo	themayor: i want a rawhide weather report lol	20:16
themayor	we can do that	20:16
themayor	lol	20:17
themayor	something to talk to jesse about	20:17
ianweller	that's one of the proposals i think	20:17
ianweller	determining how rainy rawhide is	20:17
themayor	the project is great because i think each sub group can manage their own thing too	20:17
themayor	okay so first up, everyone pull up the wiki page and tell me if you think we need to add anything"	20:17
themayor	?	20:17
JonRob	Some kind of editorial role to ensure quality of content?	20:18
JonRob	if this is to be the face of fedora to the outside world, everything needs to be spot on	20:18
themayor	yes sort of	20:18
ianweller	how are we going to increase the amount of video/audio production	20:19
themayor	i think what we will have is an editorial board responsible for monitoring each section, and the respective team	20:19
themayor	ianweller: i am going to work alot on content production	20:19
JonRob	themayor: yeah, exactly	20:19
themayor	and we will get others	20:19
themayor	we already have people doing it	20:20
themayor	and when people see this flourish they will be interested in jumping on board	20:20
JonRob	i wouldn't underestimate how hard getting enough content will be	20:20
JonRob	i've been involved with both fedora tv and news.fp.o	20:21
themayor	JonRob: thats why i suggested a journal style	20:21
JonRob	and both struggled with that side of things	20:21
JonRob	as did RHM	20:21
JonRob	what do you mean by journal, and how do you think that will help?	20:21
themayor	because it gives us a fairly large windows to aggregate and/or produce larger pieces	20:21
themayor	hrm, journal, i think mizmo described it best in the meeting, mo do you remember what you said that day?	20:22
JonRob	oh, you mean like a monthly magazine?	20:22
themayor	something like that	20:22
JonRob	ok i see what you mean by that	20:22
themayor	like big pieces less often and smaller pieces more often	20:22
themayor	so for example	20:22
themayor	fedora weekly news, that continues as is	20:22
themayor	or whatever the news team ends up wanting to do with it	20:22
mizmo	well one thing i remember mentioning in the meeting is that there might be a regular schedule for things	20:23
themayor	yes	20:23
themayor	so for example every week we have weekly news	20:23
mizmo	like the 1st week of each month is 'contributor interview week'	20:23
ianweller	"planet fridays"	20:23
mizmo	we pick a contributor and do an interview	20:23
themayor	on a week 1 we have some audio	20:23
themayor	yes exactly	20:23
themayor	and its all just flows together	20:23
JonRob	this is more or less the plan we had for news.fp.o, except spacing it out into weeks instead of days is a good idea!	20:23
themayor	i wont lie, it will take probably 2-3 months to seed alot of stuff on there	20:23
themayor	but at that point we will be on all cylinders	20:24
themayor	if we set up things on a schedule and we have a month to prepare them, it takes alot of pressure off	20:24
themayor	and it helps organize things	20:25
themayor	i think alot of the issues now are we know what we need to do, but not always by when, and we often end up doing things a 2-3 days before we need them when we could easily expand that timetable which would aid us tremendously	20:25
themayor	also aggregating pieces while distributing editorial control helps alleviate a "managerial" burden of producing/distributing stuff and also gives that specific team more control	20:26
JonRob	themayor, have you asked rhm team about their experiences?	20:27
JonRob	enquired if they were interested in getting involved?	20:27
themayor	JonRob: honestly no because many of them are busy and they have a certain focus	20:28
themayor	i dont want to distract them	20:28
themayor	and they have responsibilities to that	20:28
themayor	we can always let them get involved after	20:29
JonRob	ok that's fair, i guess it's for each person to come to the project themselves	20:29
themayor	and right now, we are building infrastructure and setting up, i would rather not tack more onto their workload	20:29
themayor	people are already overloaded	20:29
themayor	anyway so with regard to goals stuff we are solid on that right?	20:31
themayor	no one wants to add anything	20:31
themayor	you guys with me? am i talking too fast lol?	20:32
JonRob	all is good	20:32
themayor	okay so now action plan	20:32
mizmo	i think im good	20:32
themayor	what do we do this with?	20:33
themayor	wordpress, drupal	20:33
ianweller	drupal has really iffy security.	20:33
themayor	we can do all this in wordpress i think?	20:33
ianweller	yes	20:33
mizmo	wordpress++	20:33
themayor	didnt we look at wordpress for news.fp.o	20:33
JonRob	yeah	20:33
JonRob	and wordpress is probs the best way to go	20:33
ianweller	be sure to check with infrastructure.	20:33
JonRob	has a big advantage being pre-packaged, a requirement of the infra team	20:34
ianweller	we need to work with them every step of the way	20:34
themayor	back then it wasnt mature and we tried a few time to do things with what was the open source hosted wordpress think ibiblio did called	20:34
ianweller	so that they don't get surprised at the last minute	20:34
JonRob	and they've already been experimenting with deployments	20:34
themayor	yeah okay so lets set out what we need	20:34
ianweller	JonRob: they're presently experimenting with a blogs.fp.o using wordpress-mu	20:34
JonRob	might also be worth investigating working with docs et al on zicular	20:34
themayor	isnt it zikula?	20:35
JonRob	ianweller: and we had many different test instances up for news.fp.o	20:35
JonRob	themayor, perhaps, it's a strange word i don't know how to spell!	20:35
themayor	yeah im pretty sure its zikula lol ;)	20:35
JonRob	if we worked with docs	20:36
ianweller	zikula <-- that	20:36
JonRob	it would lighten the load on us, docs and infra	20:36
themayor	yes we are going to	20:36
themayor	i spoke to sparks a couple of times	20:36
ianweller	(fwiw i'm working on a relatively similar project at my school's newspaper with their website)	20:36
themayor	ianweller: can we see?	20:36
ianweller	well the html is about 5% complete so no :)	20:36
ianweller	it'll be new as of uhhh hopefully late august	20:37
ianweller	running wordpress.	20:37
themayor	hahaha	20:37
themayor	okay	20:37
abadger1999	wordpress or zikula... I'm really loving the zikula devs lately (they are very open to making changes to satisfy packaging guidelines and helping the docs team with custom plugins)	20:37
themayor	well we need 3-4 things to happen then	20:38
themayor	1. talks to infrastructure about what platform to use	20:38
mizmo	wordpress has a nice podcast plugin thingy that makes it easy to do podcast posts	20:38
mizmo	but i dont know anything about zikula	20:38
themayor	thats why we have infrastructure	20:38
themayor	2. we need to talk to news and figure out who they want to tie in to all this	20:39
themayor	3. we need to talk to docs and figure out a publication list and fit that into a schedule	20:40
themayor	and 4. i forgot but im sure someone else can think of something	20:40
ianweller	4. donuts	20:42
themayor	lol	20:42
ianweller	thought of something ^_^	20:42
themayor	anyway, does anyone want to talk to infrastrtucture about platform	20:42
themayor	whoa, an asian girl just showed up on my screen after ian's last line	20:43
themayor	whoa	20:43
* ianweller ctcp versions themayor		20:43
ianweller	oh, that would explain it	20:43
ianweller	mac os x, how could you?! :P	20:43
themayor	haha, i missed the button when i booted, so i just let it go, lol	20:44
ianweller	lol	20:44
themayor	JonRob: how close are you with the fedora weekly news guys	20:44
JonRob	i lost touch after tchung pulled out, don't really know pascal etc	20:44
JonRob	would be happy to drop by, although all my approaches in the past have fallen on death ears	20:45
JonRob	deaf*	20:45
themayor	ah, okay, well either way, would you wanna be responsible for talking to the news team and laying the plan out and seeing what they say	20:45
JonRob	i will happily do so	20:45
themayor	okay	20:46
themayor	so ianweller you wanna talk to infrastructure guys and ill cover docs?	20:46
ianweller	sure	20:46
themayor	also ianweller whats going on with the metrics, how are we going to tie that into this?	20:46
ianweller	what's currently going on is i'm hacking with fedora community/moksha	20:46
ianweller	and attempting to grok it	20:46
themayor	okay, so are we trying to build something new or using some existing tools?	20:47
ianweller	kinda both.	20:47
ianweller	we're going to integrate it as a new 'statistics' tab in fedora community	20:47
ianweller	a lot of new code is going to need to be written, preferrably in python-fedora	20:47
ianweller	i'll expand python-fedora a ton to handle things like the wiki, mailing lists, and perhaps web serverl ogs	20:48
themayor	okay, so what is it going to do, like give each individual person a breakdown of stats that they are looking for?	20:48
ianweller	which is where the integration with foobar comes in	20:48
ianweller	themayor: there will be a relatively large stats section. on the right side of the page there will be different parts of fedora infrastructure that you can look at	20:48
ianweller	in the current pre-alpha code there's 'wiki' and 'updates'	20:49
themayor	do you have any mickups?	20:49
themayor	mockups?	20:49
ianweller	yeah hold on	20:49
ianweller	i have a screenshot of lmacken's work	20:49
ianweller	http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedoracommunity-statistics.png	20:49
themayor	also, when are you going to be talking to max about things, because i also dont want us to reinvent the wheel for this, from marketings perspective	20:49
ianweller	running locally	20:49
themayor	ah i see	20:50
ianweller	so theoretically you could have 'foobar' on the right and you could see whatever metrics we code for.	20:50
ianweller	(which would most likely be grokking the access logs on log1)	20:50
ianweller	((which means i have to write an api for that, blugh)	20:50
ianweller	)	20:50
ianweller	themayor: i'll talk to max about it whenever he wants me to.	20:50
ianweller	if he has questions o	20:50
ianweller	blugh	20:51
ianweller	if he has questions i'll answer 'em	20:51
ianweller	i don't really have anything cohesive yet other than that :P	20:51
themayor	okay i just saw the email exchange he had with you and he mentioned we will do it on the list, you did a fair bit of talking to him already about what he wants right?	20:51
ianweller	yeah	20:51
themayor	okay	20:53
themayor	well lets see how things roll out, JonRob and ian, can we each try and take care of our action item by thurs/fri and report back to the list?	20:53
JonRob	i'm writing the e-mail right now	20:53
ianweller	sure	20:54
themayor	awesome	20:54
themayor	ill talk to sparks when i catch him today or tomorrow	20:54
themayor	and then we can all report back, figure out what directions things are going in and move forward, hopefully next week we can start making a decision on platform	20:55
themayor	make sure to reference foobar in stuff you post to the list, i set up a special filter ;)	20:55
themayor	^_^	20:56
themayor	i like that one	20:56
* ianweller hits themayor		20:57
themayor	lol	20:57
themayor	alright sounds good	20:57
themayor	so lets call it a meeting and get cracking	20:58
* ianweller notes that themayor wants to use the command #endmeeting		20:58
themayor	#endmeeting	20:59