Meeting:Websites IRC log 20081006

quaid	<meeting id="Websites">	15:04
* ianweller picks up the phone . o O (next meeting? where are youuuuuu)		15:04
ianweller	also, i'm here	15:04
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ianweller	this is starting to look a lot like last week's websites meeting	15:06
* quaid looks at ...		15:06
quaid	Websites/Tasks	15:06
quaid	yeah, I vote for the perpetual meeting	15:07
ricky	Same	15:07
quaid	from 2000 to 2300 UTC	15:07
quaid	just takeover and go slooooow	15:07
ricky	Hehe	15:07
ylynfatt	quaid: I haven't done anything else yet on the fp.o/contact since my last message to the mailing list but the link to the preview is as follows: http://ylynfatt.fedorapeople.org/contact.html	15:07
quaid	ricky: it is nice having a weekly nag session, uh, I mean, reminders to get on a task I may hve forgotten about.	15:08
ylynfatt	I suppose that's my progress update.	15:08
ricky	Looks goouLooks good	15:08
ricky	Um, whoops :-)	15:08
ianweller	um	15:09
ianweller	for the one task taht i do own, i just created the ticket for it on fedora-infrastructure	15:09
ianweller	like i was supposed to do last week. (oops)	15:09
ricky	Any further comments on the contact page?	15:09
ricky	If that's good and done, we can look at getting that updated after the meeting	15:10
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ricky	Hey, giarc	15:10
giarc	hey ricky	15:10
quaid	one comment on the contact page	15:10
* ianweller high fives giarc for no particular reason		15:11
quaid	can we crop off the bottom of the Apache Test Page screenshot?	15:11
ylynfatt	quaid: you mean all that whitespace?	15:11
ricky	Yeah, we can definitely save that sapce	15:11
ricky	**space	15:11
* giarc high five ianweller for being ianweller		15:11
ianweller	\o/	15:11
quaid	ylynfatt: most of it, I guess	15:11
giarc	s/five/fives	15:11
ylynfatt	sure, umm...when I get home I'll try make the adjustment	15:12
quaid	ylynfatt: I scrolled and stopped, thinking that was the end of the contact page	15:12
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ylynfatt	quaid: hehe okay	15:12
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ricky	ylynfatt: Is that a plain HTML page, or was it generated from a genshi template?	15:12
ylynfatt	ricky: that was just a plane HTML page	15:12
ylynfatt	ricky: but I do have the genshi template on my home pc.	15:12
quaid	ylynfatt: oh, also, the link to the server teste page on the wiki is now http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server_Test_Page, save a redirect :)	15:13
ricky	Ah, cool - whenever you can get ahold of that, ping me and we can get it pushed	15:13
ylynfatt	ricky: sure no prob.	15:13
ylynfatt	quaid: thanks	15:13
ricky	Are there any other contact groups that we can think of to add there?	15:13
* quaid plays secretary with the task list		15:14
ylynfatt	ricky: maybe the Documentation group?	15:14
ricky	Hmm, could adding the docs group confuse people looking for support?	15:15
ricky	quaid: We can probably remove the docs.fp.o one :-)	15:16
ricky	All right, no update on the infrastructure stuff from me yet. I'll hopefully be working more on improving the web building process soon	15:17
quaid	how about ...	15:17
quaid	user accounts? infrastructure issues?	15:17
quaid	or do we filter that through webmaster@?	15:17
ricky	Good call, those would go to admin@fedoraproject.org	15:17
quaid	k	15:17
ricky	(accounts@fp.o goes to the same place as admin@)	15:17
ricky	Perhaps press@fp.o as well.	15:19
ylynfatt	so add something for user accounts/infrastructure? and press as well?	15:19
quaid	ooh, press, yes	15:19
ricky	Yup	15:19
ylynfatt	oki doki	15:19
ricky	Thanks for working on this!	15:20
ricky	kanarip: ping (any update on spins.fp.o?)	15:20
ylynfatt	ricky: no problem. It's the least I could do.	15:20
quaid	ylynfatt: I have a few small grammatical bits on that page; I can write them up for the current version, you can merge what makes sense in to the document	15:20
ylynfatt	quaid: sure, no prob.	15:21
* quaid notes more style than grammatical, but whatever; small stuff		15:21
quaid	let's see now ...	15:21
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quaid	no jonrob around today that I see	15:22
kanarip	ricky, no volunteers on the list so i guess i'm going to figure out how to edit images myself	15:22
quaid	kanarip: stall on spins wireframe?	15:22
kanarip	so far, yes	15:22
ricky	kanarip: Perhaps it would be a good idea to start work on the backend first	15:23
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kanarip	i have no time to work on a backend but i see your point	15:23
ricky	Yeah. It's a pretty big project	15:24
quaid	is there any way	15:24
quaid	we can break it down to easier-to-digest	15:24
quaid	... somethings ...	15:25
quaid	not knowing who was supposed to program it in the first place ...	15:25
kanarip	no-one knew who was supposed to program it i guess	15:26
quaid	well, that may not be as much of a problem as we think, on the face of it	15:26
quaid	if we can find a way to enable people to contribute in quick, meaningful ways	15:26
ylynfatt	I'm a bit out of the loop but what's required for the backend of spins site?	15:26
* ricky isn't 100% sure about what the technical requirements are at the moment		15:27
* kanarip still has to merge a server-client-devel branch of revisor		15:27
quaid	http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58599.html	15:28
quaid	that is the sitemap	15:28
quaid	but what does it do?	15:28
* ricky doesn't know where to start :-)		15:28
ricky	I guess it takes a kickstart file (or provides a means to generate one)	15:28
kanarip	it sketches utopia://spins.fedoraproject.org	15:28
quaid	heh	15:29
ricky	Then then builds a spin, allowing the author to attach metadata to it	15:29
ricky	s/then/it	15:29
quaid	ERR: protocol "utopia" unknown	15:29
kanarip	quaid, i rest my case ;-)	15:29
* ricky isn't sure how practical the "building the spin" part would be for infrastructure.		15:29
giarc	it's supposed to build the spin on the fly?	15:30
quaid	build, host, social tagging and karma, my view, the works	15:30
kanarip	yes, that too	15:30
ricky	kanarip: How realistic do you think the spin-building is on a large scale?	15:31
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* ricky has no idea how intensive these things are		15:31
kanarip	builds knock down 100% CPU in ~4% of the build time of about .5-1 hour	15:32
ricky	Yow	15:32
kanarip	memory footprint shouldn't go over 500-700MB for a huge transaction	15:32
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kanarip	ricky, it's just a huge yum thing and then a squashfs thing basically	15:33
ricky	Ah.	15:33
ricky	So perhaps we should talk to infrastructure a bit and make sure that the goals are realistic	15:33
kanarip	well!!...	15:34
kanarip	if anything, i'd just like /a/ build host	15:34
kanarip	then i can do hub vs. builder stuff just by using localhost as well	15:35
ricky	mmcgrath: Are you around to talk about spins.fp.o goals right now?	15:35
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kanarip	just /a/ build host helps out on more then just this end as well	15:36
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mmcgrath	ricky: I am, but only for a bit. whats up?	15:37
* mmcgrath has dinner guests coming over soon		15:37
ricky	So right now, it looks like the goal for spins.fp.o is let people build their own spins - is this feasible for us to run?	15:37
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ricky	kanarip knows more about the technical needs	15:38
mmcgrath	well, spins isn't part of a buildsystem, its part of distribution.	15:38
mmcgrath	There has been talks, a couple of times, about having a spins build system but I'm not aware of its status or anything	15:38
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kanarip	do we really, really have to get everyone involved before there is even a show-case?	15:39
quaid	perhaps interested people	15:40
ricky	I just want to make sure that we don't create something that can't be run anywhere	15:40
quaid	can request a publictest instance and give it a start?	15:40
kanarip	quaid, potential contributors to this specific goal, yes	15:40
quaid	ricky: it would help, then, to create it by actually running it _somewhere_ to start :)	15:40
quaid	kanarip: right, specific goal	15:40
kanarip	ricky, if nothing else, i'll host it	15:40
ricky	I can try and get a publictest up if we have anybody interested in working on it	15:40
ricky	kanarip: OK, I'm not afraid of that problem anymore, then :-)	15:41
kanarip	i just do not have anything to show to anyone wrt. a build system for spins other then the work loupgaroublond has done on server-client-devel, that still has to be merged with master	15:41
quaid	with this group of ppl here	15:42
loupgaroublond	i see my name here...	15:42
quaid	can we get a server up, building, with a basic web UI to take a KS and spit out an ISO?	15:42
quaid	grey screen, upload text box, that's ti :)	15:42
ricky	Sounds like a good goal to begin with	15:42
quaid	it looks to be a central part of the workflow, anyway, and the part that needs more robustiness	15:43
* quaid trying for a Colbert-like neologism		15:43
kanarip	i'm not setting that goal for myself because if i do i'm also getting fired	15:44
ricky	Heh	15:44
quaid	kanarip: back to the programming question ...	15:44
loupgaroublond	IIRC we nearly had it doing that via client-server	15:44
kanarip	loupgaroublond, yes, that has to be merged back to master	15:45
loupgaroublond	ah, check	15:45
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kanarip	i can do that if needed, clean conflicts up a little, make it work for rawhide a little	15:45
quaid	and who can build out the publictest box?	15:46
* ricky can get a publictest built, but may not be able to dedicate much time to actually writing the spins app		15:47
* quaid can only update the task list with whatever we decide here		15:48
ricky	OK, so the main challenge is to find people interested in working on this kind of project	15:49
ricky	How do we want to go about finding people?  :-)	15:49
quaid	one thing is doing as much as you can, talking about it	15:52
quaid	to draw interest	15:52
quaid	e.g. the wireframes, etc.	15:52
quaid	in this case ...	15:52
ricky	The question that comes to mind is: Who wants this?	15:53
kanarip	rumors tell me red hat is interested	15:55
* quaid has no clue		15:55
kanarip	loupgaroublond, i decided to push master => server-client-devel instead of pulling it into master	15:56
quaid	ok, we're getting close to the hour mark	15:56
quaid	any comments on the other tasks?	15:57
quaid	CMS ...	15:57
ricky	Any update on CMS?	15:57
quaid	I am working on higher level project management stuff to enable everyone	15:57
quaid	then I've got ... about 7 to 10 days at the end of this month that I'm hoping is enough to get through testing some CMSes	15:57
quaid	do the manic, last minute thing :)	15:57
ricky	Heh	15:58
* ricky knows that feeling well... with essays.		15:58
quaid	oh, yeah	15:58
quaid	"that's when I'm at my best!"	15:58
quaid	get-fedora ...	15:58
quaid	that has been a good discussion, I think mizmo has the lead in the UI argument	15:59
ricky	I'll try try to dig up the latest revision and talk to mizmo about it/try to polish it a bit	15:59
quaid	ricky: do you want to take on that task and roll all the various situtations up?	15:59
quaid	heh, there ya'r	15:59
ricky	Any help/javascript expertise would be appreciated :-)	15:59
* quaid wants to use a similar JS UI for Join stuff ...		16:00
quaid	ok, anything more?	16:00
quaid	we don't have to close, but it's the traditional hour :)	16:00
ricky	Sounds good	16:00
ricky	Thanks for coming, everybody!	16:00
quaid	rock on	16:01
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