Mai 26 18:02:36 * Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-26 - Init Mai 26 18:03:26 Kevin_Kofler Time for the KDE SIG meeting - who's present? Mai 26 18:03:35 rdieter here Mai 26 18:03:48 MathStuf here Mai 26 18:03:50 svahl present Mai 26 18:03:50 * SMParrish here Mai 26 18:04:06 * jreznik is here Mai 26 18:04:14 Kevin_Kofler OK, so first of all, anything to discuss other than recent bugs? Mai 26 18:04:20 Kevin_Kofler The agenda has only 4 recent bugs. Mai 26 18:04:57 jreznik polkit-qt fight status :) Mai 26 18:05:03 Kevin_Kofler Qt 4.5.1 maybe? Mai 26 18:05:17 Kevin_Kofler 4.3b1 for kde-unstable timeline? Mai 26 18:05:23 Kevin_Kofler I think those will be enough. :-) Mai 26 18:05:39 Kevin_Kofler Let's try to be fast, as rdieter and ltinkl will both have to leave early (and than is on vacation). Mai 26 18:05:52 * Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-26 - Qt 4.5.1 Mai 26 18:06:10 * ltinkl is semi-present Mai 26 18:06:10 Kevin_Kofler First topic: Qt 4.5.1 - any news? Mai 26 18:06:40 MathStuf I've been running it for a while now; SVG stuff is fixed, nothing noticably wrong with plasma rendering anymore either Mai 26 18:06:47 Kevin_Kofler We have the sorta "fix" for rssnow now and Amarok 2.1 beta builds. Mai 26 18:06:51 Kevin_Kofler So no real blockers. Mai 26 18:07:09 rdieter spun a new build qt-4.5.1-11 with newest qt-copy patches, important new includde qtempfile fix, the another for plasma/qpixmap leaks Mai 26 18:07:09 Kevin_Kofler For Amarok 2.1: if the libgpod update is not imminent, we should patch it to build with the old one. Mai 26 18:07:56 Kevin_Kofler I can do the patch, AFAICT it will be basically trivial. Mai 26 18:08:03 rdieter Kevin_Kofler: thanks, let's do that Mai 26 18:08:37 Kevin_Kofler Anything else about Qt 4.5.1? Otherwise we'll move on. Mai 26 18:09:46 Kevin_Kofler Well, I have one more thing: when will we move it to stable? When Amarok 2.1 beta is stable too? Mai 26 18:09:56 Kevin_Kofler Or do we try to wait some more for a better rssnow fix? Mai 26 18:10:27 Kevin_Kofler rdieter? Mai 26 18:10:35 rdieter imo, no sooner than when amarok-2.1 lands (< week, or so I've been told) Mai 26 18:10:57 Kevin_Kofler OK Mai 26 18:11:05 * Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-26 - polkit-qt and PolicyKit 1 Mai 26 18:11:12 Kevin_Kofler Next topic: polkit-qt and PolicyKit 1 Mai 26 18:11:17 Kevin_Kofler jreznik? Mai 26 18:11:57 jreznik Kevin_Kofler: ok, I'm now talking with dfr, we have response from davidz Mai 26 18:12:46 jreznik working on port - now line by line port - it's segfaulting somewhere in glib but I think it's on a right way Mai 26 18:13:39 jreznik it's more guessing meaining of api as docs are bad than coding... Mai 26 18:14:55 Kevin_Kofler Lack of documentation is a big problem there. Mai 26 18:15:01 Kevin_Kofler I also had that problem for ConsoleKit. Mai 26 18:15:33 Kevin_Kofler I noticed that ConsoleKit has grown at least some documentation since, but it's still mostly just "there's this D-Bus method with these parameters" and not much else. Mai 26 18:17:15 jreznik check policykit-devel Mai 26 18:18:19 Kevin_Kofler Well, good luck with the port! I think that was it on this subject for now, let's move on... Mai 26 18:18:24 * Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-26 - KDE 4.3 beta for kde-redhat unstable Mai 26 18:18:34 Kevin_Kofler Next topic: KDE 4.3 beta for kde-redhat unstable Mai 26 18:18:42 Kevin_Kofler MathStuf brought that one up. rdieter? Mai 26 18:18:57 rdieter I'm working on fc10 builds, MathStuf on fc11 ones. Mai 26 18:19:05 MathStuf F11 is done Mai 26 18:19:24 rdieter for fc10, I've got up to kdebase-workspace done Mai 26 18:19:48 rdieter MathStuf: cool, let's figure out a way to copy over the packages, and I'll stuff 'em into the repos Mai 26 18:19:53 MathStuf k Mai 26 18:20:00 rdieter can haggle out details in #fedora-kde later Mai 26 18:20:10 MathStuf 2.5GB (with repodata, src, and debuginfo) Mai 26 18:20:53 rdieter it's been a good exercize, we've caught a few bugs, missing deps here and there Mai 26 18:22:16 * rdieter is still wrestling to get his centos5/mock builder to work with f11+ Mai 26 18:23:58 Kevin_Kofler OK, anything else before we move on to recent bugs? Mai 26 18:24:19 rdieter move on++ Mai 26 18:24:33 * Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-26 - Recent bugs Mai 26 18:24:39 Kevin_Kofler https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477074 Mai 26 18:24:41 buggbot Bug 477074: medium, low, ---, rdieter, ASSIGNED, kcmviewer: no .po file is built nor installed Mai 26 18:25:28 skvidal rdieter: issues with rpm there, right? Mai 26 18:26:16 Kevin_Kofler skvidal: No, an issue with the kchmviewer translations themselves. Mai 26 18:26:25 Kevin_Kofler Note that it only happens if it's built without KDE support. Mai 26 18:26:31 Kevin_Kofler IMHO a classic case of Don't Do That Then. Mai 26 18:26:48 rdieter skvidal: centos5/mock/fc11+? yeah, I've up'd to rpm-4.6.0 there, but still no workie. Am I missing something? (or a better plae/time to ask)? Mai 26 18:27:00 skvidal rdieter: maybe ask elsewhere :) Mai 26 18:27:23 rdieter skvidal: I'll ping you later for details. Mai 26 18:27:28 Kevin_Kofler Well, actually there are patches to apply for the KDE-based translations to work, too. Mai 26 18:27:34 SMParrish Kevin_Kofler: its being built with KDE support now correct? Mai 26 18:28:06 rdieter I'm not worried all that much about kcmviewer. okular has chm support now, we're really close to being able to simply EOL it Mai 26 18:28:25 rdieter or leaving the mess for upstream to fix Mai 26 18:28:26 Kevin_Kofler SMParrish: It is. I'm not sure if patches are needed when it is though. Mai 26 18:28:56 SMParrish So do you want to leave this one open or close it as WONTFIX Mai 26 18:29:48 rdieter I forget, do you have a kchviewer maintainer? If so, leave open. If not, WONTFIX and EOL it, imo Mai 26 18:30:35 rdieter or at least threaten to EOL, and see if anyone steps up to help give it some love Mai 26 18:31:05 SMParrish ummm you are listed as the maintainer Mai 26 18:31:27 SMParrish atleast for F11 and devel Mai 26 18:31:50 rdieter I jumped in to fix the conflicts with kdegraphics. Mai 26 18:32:05 Kevin_Kofler The guy who filed that bug is listed as awaiting review for comaintainership. Mai 26 18:33:42 rdieter ok, maybe we can pursue the new (co)maintainer then. Mai 26 18:34:05 SMParrish Then I'll leave it open, Rex can you approve his ACLs Mai 26 18:34:15 Kevin_Kofler Next bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=489093 Mai 26 18:34:17 buggbot Bug 489093: medium, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, selinux-policy not allowing kde4-config to write to ~root/.kde Mai 26 18:34:59 * rdieter waves bye, runs to appointment Mai 26 18:35:04 Kevin_Kofler That one looks like a sorta-dupe of the "kde4-config expensive" bug. Mai 26 18:35:18 Kevin_Kofler I.e. fixing that will also fix that SELinux alert. Mai 26 18:35:28 Kevin_Kofler IMHO let's close it as a dupe of that. Mai 26 18:35:37 SMParrish Ok will do that Mai 26 18:36:35 Kevin_Kofler Next bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=489647 Mai 26 18:36:36 buggbot Bug 489647: medium, medium, ---, than, ASSIGNED, Konqueror update sees RT 3.6.6 (from Best Practical) site inaccessible. Mai 26 18:37:47 Kevin_Kofler This one is bad because it affects an app used internally at RH (and other companies, too). Mai 26 18:37:58 SMParrish Need input from jreznik or someone else inside RH who can advise if this is still an issue Mai 26 18:38:01 Kevin_Kofler It's already filed upstream: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186035 Mai 26 18:38:03 buggbot Bug 186035: normal, NOR, ---, kdelibs-bugs kde org, UNCONFIRMED, No authorization dialog when authorization required, page is still loading Mai 26 18:38:08 Kevin_Kofler Not much happening there, unfortunately. Mai 26 18:38:43 jreznik SMParrish: I'll try it Mai 26 18:38:51 Kevin_Kofler Unfortunately, the URL given as "externally visible" actually isn't. Mai 26 18:39:01 Kevin_Kofler (engineering.redhat.com cannot be resolved) Mai 26 18:39:32 SMParrish I know I tried it as well, will leave open until I hear something Mai 26 18:39:36 jreznik wau, it's ok Mai 26 18:39:54 Kevin_Kofler So close as fixed in 4.2.3? Mai 26 18:40:45 jreznik yes Mai 26 18:40:46 SMParrish Great I'll close it then Mai 26 18:41:03 Kevin_Kofler The upstream bug needs closing too, should I do it? Mai 26 18:41:52 Kevin_Kofler Upstream bug closed. Mai 26 18:42:02 Kevin_Kofler Next bug (last one on our agenda): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=486245 Mai 26 18:42:03 buggbot Bug 486245: high, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, holding keys down no longer results in repeated entries Mai 26 18:42:49 SMParrish I could not dupe this, anyone have any input Mai 26 18:43:18 Kevin_Kofler This one really needs to be filed upstream. Mai 26 18:43:25 Kevin_Kofler Though if nobody can reproduce it... Mai 26 18:44:43 SMParrish Since the reporter has not filed it upstream I will and see what response we get Mai 26 18:45:18 * Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-26 - Open discussion Mai 26 18:45:26 Kevin_Kofler That was it for the agenda. Anything else to discuss? Mai 26 18:45:58 MathStuf eigen2 from hg to avoid random build failures in qr/general fixes? Mai 26 18:46:39 SMParrish Who can we convince to run for FESCO? I agree with rdieter that KDE needs someone there Mai 26 18:46:41 Kevin_Kofler Yes, we should take a new eigen2 snapshot from hg to pick up the fixed qr testcase. Mai 26 18:46:46 Kevin_Kofler (That was an easy one. :-) ) Mai 26 18:46:55 Kevin_Kofler Now who will do the eigen2 work? Mai 26 18:47:02 Kevin_Kofler I can do it. Mai 26 18:47:36 jreznik SMParrish: yes, we need FESCO guy :) Mai 26 18:47:50 Kevin_Kofler SMParrish: I'm considering running, it's not like I'm not already fairly busy, but I think we really need to get heard (rather than hurt ;-) ). Mai 26 18:48:26 SMParrish Kevin_Kofler: I agree and think you would be an excellent choice Mai 26 18:49:16 jwb_ hurt? Mai 26 18:49:22 Kevin_Kofler I think the voting process should be changed so a list of people can run and a random person from the list can vote in meetings, it would make this whole "I'm already too busy" issue less of an issue. Mai 26 18:49:34 Kevin_Kofler But whatever. Mai 26 18:49:44 Kevin_Kofler We'll have to do with how things work. Mai 26 18:55:04 Kevin_Kofler jwb_: Mostly theoretical. There weren't any FESCo decisions which really HURT KDE (though e.g. the flags policy which got approved was less than ideal, we'll see how this will all turn out though). Mai 26 18:55:49 jwb_ ok... Mai 26 18:56:37 Kevin_Kofler IMHO we should present more than 1 candidate though, the more KDE SIG members we get into FESCo, the better! Mai 26 18:56:57 jwb_ y Mai 26 18:57:08 Kevin_Kofler And the way range voting works, we won't really steal each other's place. Mai 26 18:57:53 Kevin_Kofler Range voting actually favors clones rather than punishing them like plurality does. Mai 26 18:58:01 Kevin_Kofler So more candidates = higher chances! Mai 26 18:59:52 Kevin_Kofler OK, time's up, who's going to write the summary? jreznik? svahl Mai 26 18:59:56 Kevin_Kofler ? Mai 26 18:59:57 SMParrish Just remember all nominations have be in by this Friday Mai 26 19:00:52 svahl I'll do the summary, but someone maybe need to fill in some background for the bugs Mai 26 19:01:01 SMParrish I can do that Mai 26 19:01:31 svahl thx. I'll ping you in #fedora-kde when I'm finished Mai 26 19:01:39 jreznik svahl: thanks... I missed most of todays meeting talking with Polkit-KDE guys (and working on ti) Mai 26 19:02:09 svahl jreznik, np. It's also my turn this week :) Mai 26 19:02:27 Kevin_Kofler OK, so that's all for today, thanks everyone who attended!