**** BEGINNE LOGBUCH UM Wed Jun 18 18:06:39 2008 Jun 18 18:06:39 * Du sprichst jetzt in #fedora-robotics Jun 18 18:06:39 * #fedora-robotics :http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Robotics Jun 18 18:06:39 * #fedora-robotics :[freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp Jun 18 18:11:00 * hedayat (n=hedayat@80.191.132.107) hat #fedora-robotics betreten Jun 18 18:11:28 Hi Jun 18 18:11:40 :) Jun 18 18:11:48 Sorry for beeing late Jun 18 18:11:56 I had some connection problems! Jun 18 18:12:36 Hi tim_n Jun 18 18:13:09 Hi Hedayat. You're still second :-) Jun 18 18:13:35 Yes!! Jun 18 18:13:53 I didn't have a look at the new SPEC and SRPM, yet. I'll do so shortly... Jun 18 18:14:18 But anyway, you were first, and waiting Jun 18 18:14:48 thanks Jun 18 18:15:23 I'm sorry that I have not looked at your package. (While I'm not experienced in any reviews!) Jun 18 18:17:26 I found one for the libkni and player packages. Jun 18 18:18:56 Sorry I didn't understand, what did you find? :( Jun 18 18:19:27 A reviewer. Jun 18 18:19:58 Jeff is doing Player at some point, according to the last list posting RSN, and Jason Tibbitts is doing the libkni package Jun 18 18:20:13 Aha! :) sorry Jun 18 18:20:16 Nive Jun 18 18:20:19 Nice! Jun 18 18:24:43 Oh, I see that I missed the discussion in the review ticket... Jun 18 18:27:31 rcssserver3d review? Jun 18 18:27:39 Yes Jun 18 18:28:03 Yes, fortunately it seems that somebody is interested in the review Jun 18 18:28:22 * makghosh (n=Joy@117.201.96.109) hat #fedora-robotics betreten Jun 18 18:28:35 This legal problem will be fixed. It seems that I can remove those files from the package if needed Jun 18 18:29:05 * makghosh bad weather down here...internet is shaky :( Jun 18 18:29:17 Yes, that's good. We had a similar situation for the libdc1394 package. Upstream agreed to remove the conflicting patent-encumbered files. Jun 18 18:29:39 Are you on a non-cable uplink? Jun 18 18:30:15 tim_n: ADSL...the telephones does the problems you know.. Jun 18 18:30:23 Ah, I see. Jun 18 18:30:29 Hi Arindam. Jun 18 18:30:41 tim_n: hi :) Jun 18 18:30:57 hedayat: hows' your work going on? Jun 18 18:31:02 Didn't realize it was you... Jun 18 18:31:48 makghosh: Hi! not bad. I think the package is in a reasonably good shape Jun 18 18:32:13 makghosh: there is a small legal problem. But it'll be fixed Jun 18 18:34:43 * makghosh_ (n=Joy@117.201.96.242) hat #fedora-robotics betreten Jun 18 18:35:12 makghosh_: did you read what I said? Jun 18 18:35:25 (Where you online at that time?!) Jun 18 18:35:31 * makghosh hat die Verbindung getrennt (Nick collision from services.) Jun 18 18:35:39 tim_n: nopes Jun 18 18:35:43 :((( Jun 18 18:35:53 * makghosh_ ist jetzt bekannt als makghosh Jun 18 18:36:58 tim_n: bfore i get disconnected again....about stage i made a rough spec file which i will upload tommorow Jun 18 18:37:20 hedayat: the release number must be 0.1 for a CVS package. I usually put the cvs/svn in front of the date. The guidelines do not restrict this however. Jun 18 18:37:31 makghosh: Great! Jun 18 18:37:49 Just send around the link on the website or open a review request (make it depend on the Player review) Jun 18 18:38:36 tim_n: but this is a post-release package. Jun 18 18:39:31 Ok, for CVS versions I usually pretend the next version (0.5.10 for instance) and a release of 0.1, because it is different from the release, isn't it? Jun 18 18:40:10 tim_n: not much. very little. most of the changes was for Fedora packaging at that time Jun 18 18:40:21 Ok, then it's probabyl just fine Jun 18 18:40:23 tim_n: such as converting some text files to UTF-8 Jun 18 18:40:29 and gcc4.3 compile fix Jun 18 18:40:54 but anyway, I think there will be a new release (0.6) soon Jun 18 18:41:47 Sounds good to me. rpmlint still complains about the dangling symlinks, looking for this at the moment Jun 18 18:41:58 makghosh: Are there any changes required to the Player package? Did it work? Jun 18 18:42:52 I don't know what to do with that. I've tried using absolute links Jun 18 18:43:08 But then, rpmlint prints errors that they must be relative Jun 18 18:43:10 :( Jun 18 18:46:31 Also it still complains about no binaries in /usr/lib. What kind of binary files -devel package can have in /usr/lib?! Jun 18 18:47:00 * makghosh_ (n=Joy@117.99.48.242) hat #fedora-robotics betreten Jun 18 18:47:39 * makghosh hat die Verbindung getrennt (Nick collision from services.) Jun 18 18:48:01 * makghosh_ ist jetzt bekannt als makghosh Jun 18 18:49:57 on the phone for a minute Jun 18 18:52:52 back from cell phone :) Jun 18 18:53:17 * tim_n is back Jun 18 18:53:27 makghosh: did you get my last message? Jun 18 18:53:31 :) Jun 18 18:54:08 hedayat: -devel packages usually carry the plain .so files opposed to the .so.0.1.2 that are in the base/libs package Jun 18 18:54:10 tim_n: noh! type now please...now i won't get disconnected bcoz its' GPRS connection now Jun 18 18:54:21 makghosh: nerd :-) Jun 18 18:54:36 makghosh: Are there any changes required to the Player package? Did it just work? Jun 18 18:55:22 tim_n: but .so files are usually symlinks, not?! Jun 18 18:55:32 tim_n: everything is fine with player....its' working properly and also wrt stage Jun 18 18:55:37 tim_n: my -devel package contains some .so files too Jun 18 18:55:59 hedayat: yes, usually these are symlinks. Jun 18 18:56:05 I'm checking atm Jun 18 18:56:19 makghosh: Nice to hear! Did you already run any of the demo code? Jun 18 18:57:03 tim_n: not really on my own. but i got a sample code to run Jun 18 18:57:11 i worked ok Jun 18 18:57:17 will do more tests Jun 18 18:59:11 makghosh: sounds good! Jun 18 18:59:23 Did you already have a look at Gazebo as well? Jun 18 19:01:03 tim_n: no buddy...not yet! but you know there might be some apparent problems bcoz gazebo has some dependencies with third party drivers available at livna...need to look further into it Jun 18 19:01:44 Maybe these can be factored out. I have to check the guidelines, maybe we can have sub-packages that depend on Livna stuff. I'm not sure. Jun 18 19:03:44 A question! I've created a -doc subpackage in my package, Jun 18 19:04:10 but since it'll be updated less frequently than the main package Jun 18 19:04:19 I've used a separate version for it Jun 18 19:05:05 Now, when a new package is released, the release no. will be increased Jun 18 19:05:17 while the -doc package has not changed at all Jun 18 19:05:30 That's unfortunate but the way it is. Jun 18 19:05:32 But it'll appear as an update with a new release no Jun 18 19:05:49 Because the main package has been updated. That's fine. Jun 18 19:06:35 OK Jun 18 19:07:28 (A little weird! people may update their 2MB package without any changes! Not much reasonable for a dial-up user!) Jun 18 19:07:52 That should get better once presto is in wide usage Jun 18 19:09:24 Yes, it's much better! Hopefully it'll become official Jun 18 19:13:17 Hey, what kind of packages are going to be part of the Robotics live CD?! Jun 18 19:14:11 hedayat: One problem with the dangling-relative-symlink is that the regex for so files does not match because of the %{name} subdir in %{_libdir} Jun 18 19:14:54 tim_n: yeah...we can take that approach...see how much of gazebo can be included to fit in fedora guidelines...also it should work anyway as only some optional can be removed Jun 18 19:15:29 makghosh: you mean that the stuff that would have to be removed without a livna dependency is optional? What is it? Jun 18 19:16:10 hedayat: The idea for the first incarnation of the LiveCD is to contain Player and Stage/Gazebo and some kind of demo application that can easily be run to move a robot in the simulated environment. Jun 18 19:16:21 My idea is to use a Pioneer or so, these robots are pretty common. Jun 18 19:16:51 We need some kind of gui for that, maybe we'll use XFCE, as I assume it will consume less disk space than Gnome. Jun 18 19:17:38 tim_n: but I think that I shouldn't remove %{name} from the lib directory. Can I say that these warnings should be ignored? Jun 18 19:17:40 tim_n: i think so....i need to verify properly if gazebo's functionality is not hampered Jun 18 19:18:39 hedayat: The links in fact are correct. I found some evidence that this might be a bug in rpm or rpmlint (cf. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=189928). Although not the same problem this might be something to discuss on the fedora-devel-list Jun 18 19:19:14 makghosh: Ok. Could you name the components/plugins which cause this problem? Maybe I can do a semi-informed guess... :-) Jun 18 19:19:49 I gotta go soon as the stores close and I need some food... Let's summarize the discussion: Jun 18 19:19:50 tim_n: thanks! I'll have a look there (currently my internet speed is too low!) Jun 18 19:20:43 tim_n: well i will discuss about them later...gazebo is big! Jun 18 19:20:49 rcssserver3d package shows progress, legal issues need to be clarified (encumbered code can be removed according to upstream). Some rpmlint warnings remain mysterious. Let's see what the reviewer says. Jun 18 19:21:16 tim_n: What about any development tools (for the live cd)... well I think we'll talk about it later Jun 18 19:21:39 tim_n: OK Jun 18 19:21:39 :) Jun 18 19:22:15 The review for Player is pending, I'll talk to Jeff about this Jun 18 19:22:41 The review for Stage is about to be initiated by makghosh, fortunately it seems that the Player package works fine for it. Jun 18 19:23:33 Gazebo is a big beast and might have dependencies to the Livna repositories. It needs to be investigated if these are truely optional and can just be left out and if sub-packages may rely on livna deps (have to check guidelines) Jun 18 19:24:06 hedayat: for the rpmlint problem I'd like to ask you to upload you compiled packages to your fedorapeople.org webspace or so and ask on the fedora-devel-list if anybody can give a hint on these rpmlint warnings. Jun 18 19:24:18 I think that's it? Jun 18 19:24:28 yup! Jun 18 19:24:33 Any additions or other topics we should discuss now? Jun 18 19:24:54 tim_n: OK, I'll go for it. Jun 18 19:25:09 tim_n: I think so! Jun 18 19:25:37 Great! Next meeting in two weeks on July 2nd 2008, 16:00 UTC? Jun 18 19:25:39 tim_n: Doesn't seems to be! Jun 18 19:25:47 I'm agree Jun 18 19:25:58 tim_n: +1 Jun 18 19:26:01 I think that's OK for me Jun 18 19:26:33 Great. I'll put the log on the wiki and send the summary to the list. Jun 18 19:26:44 thanks Jun 18 19:26:45 Thanks for your help, I'm really excited about the LiveCD! Jun 18 19:26:54 I do too Jun 18 19:27:00 ! Jun 18 19:27:07 ah!! me too and that cute desktop link to start simulation Jun 18 19:27:28 need to design a icon for that maybe Jun 18 19:28:19 Yes! (my graphical skills are basically not existent) Jun 18 19:28:23 :) Jun 18 19:29:13 Ok, let's get the work done, see you on the mailing list and in two weeks on IRC. Jun 18 19:29:23 :) Jun 18 19:29:30 sure :) Jun 18 19:29:34 OK, thank you all for your efforts Jun 18 19:29:38 Good luck Jun 18 19:29:59 See you. Jun 18 19:30:16 See you...bye Jun 18 19:30:23 Bye