[Di Okt 21 2008] [18:02:51] Thema Kevin_Kofler setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-10-21 - Init". [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:03:01] So it's the time for the KDE SIG meeting again. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:03:04] Who's present? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:03:08] present [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:03:14] present [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:03:28] present [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:04:21] * lvillani here, just watching... [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:05:51] Thema Kevin_Kofler setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-10-21 - usermode-gtk and system-config-tools in KDE (#466768)". [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:05:57] First topic: usermode-gtk and system-config-tools in KDE (#466768) [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:06:02] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466768 [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:06:06] Bug 466768: high, medium, ---, mitr@redhat.com, NEW, Can't run system-config-* tools that requires privileged access [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:06:26] This is basically a missing dependency in the system-config-* tools. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:06:35] It turns out they don't work at all if usermode-gtk is not installed. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:06:42] Yet they don't require it. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:07:00] Can we pull in usermode-gtk by hand on the KDE spin until that's sorted out? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:07:29] usermode-gtk has always been on the KDE spin. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:07:29] Kevin_Kofler: it's not good idea [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:07:31] Kevin_Kofler, which dependency? i'm mainteiner of some s-c-* [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:07:32] sure. That's why I put that on the agenda. than? You've said you wanted to add the dependency to the proper packages` [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:07:33] ? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:07:33] It's not a new dependency. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:07:45] Kevin_Kofler: i will fix the requirement in config tools [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:08:12] jreznik: Missing Requires: usermode-gtk on a whole bunch of system-config-* tools (see the bug report for a list). [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:08:50] just for the record: I've checked my logs and usermode-gtk is (at least) missing since rawhide from 2008-07-28 [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:09:08] the problem is i don't have access to commit the change in CVS ! [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:09:26] I guess it used to be dragged in by a single tool and that tool has been ported to PolicyKit. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:09:41] And the tools still actually using usermode-gtk don't have a dependency on it. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:09:43] here, late. :) I think it's perfectly ok to manually add to the spin, until it is properly fixed in the offending pkgs. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:10:11] ok. I'll add it to the kickstarts then (at least as a temporary workaround) [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:10:11] Right, I don't see how adding it manually hurts. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:10:23] The package will end up in the spin either way. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:10:30] We still want the deps fixed, of course! [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:10:40] But until they are, it's better to have it dragged in than not. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:11:18] So how do we deal with this? Should we file 11 clones of the bug, one against each affected system-config tool? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:11:37] I'll take a look to s-c-bind [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:11:40] Kevin_Kofler: it's a workaorund for KDE, but the problem will happen in GNOME if usermode-gtk is not install [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:11:48] If the pkgs aren't acl-open, filing bugs is the (only) way to go [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:12:36] it seems most system-config-* arent acl-open [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:12:41] I can see a possibility why the dep isn't there... some of these are tui-based tools (optionally), and the owners perhaps didn't want to pull in the extra deps? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:13:21] But I'm sure there are some GUI-only tools in that list too, and those really have no excuse. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:13:23] either way, making the maintainers aware is our job, beyond that, it's theirs to handle [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:13:35] no, usermode-gtk is needed for GUI! [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:13:55] require on usemode for TUI is fine [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:14:15] So who is going to do the boring task of filing the 11 clones? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:14:21] system-config-tools are just a mess, code, deps, etc... [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:15:32] I could to that [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:15:38] svahl: thanks [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:15:57] Great. So let's move on? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:16:33] Thema Kevin_Kofler setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-10-21 - Preparing the final development freeze (2008-10-28)". [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:16:38] Next topic: Preparing the final development freeze (2008-10-28) [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:16:44] (see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Schedule ) [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:17:30] So is there anything we need to do for the freeze (other than the Solar artwork, which is the next point on the agenda :-) )? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:19:55] backport upstream patches from 4.1 that fixes several crashes [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:19:57] I think we're pretty much good to go. Maybe we should roll in some of the kdepim fixes? Upstream has fixed one or two of the annoyances after 4.1.2 (akregator crashes, for example). [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:20:14] Kevin_Kofler: +1 [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:20:26] +1 [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:20:30] Are there other modules which need fixes to go in? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:20:48] I've seen that ltinkl has committed some Kopete fixes to kdenetwork, I'm not sure if those got built yet. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:21:12] ltinkl ? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:21:53] He isn't on the meeting chan at the moment. :-( (I pinged him on #fedora-kde, but he seems to be AFK.) [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:21:54] the patches aren't in F10 [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:22:05] i will take care of ot [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:22:19] OK, go for it! [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:22:55] the autohide patch seems to causes problem with dualhead [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:23:22] can someone reproduce this issue? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:23:39] OK, let's bring up that topic then since we already started it. :-) [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:23:52] Thema Kevin_Kofler setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting - Panel autohide: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kdebase-workspace-4.1.2-6.fc9". [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:24:08] This is the update I queued for testing (not pushed anywhere yet). [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:24:15] It's already in Rawhide (F10) though. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:24:42] it's great if somone has hardware to test it [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:25:00] than: What version was that with? -6? Or -5? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:25:14] There are some coordinate fixes in -6 which may or may not help. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:25:50] It works fine for me, but I don't have dualhead. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:26:04] the tester told me 3 days ago it should be the old version [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:26:29] i will ask him to update to new version and test again [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:26:43] +1, that'd be really helpful. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:26:53] the problem only appears with dualhead [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:27:30] the panel doesn't show when he moved the mouse there [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:28:01] I know MathStuf had something similar happen on a single screen when switching virtual desktops and -6 fixed it for him. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:29:13] anyway i will ask him to test again [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:29:27] OK [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:30:29] I'm not aware of any other issues with the autohide, with -6, there's no flicker, no white rectangles left behind by the animation, no CPU eating and as I said the "panel vanishes" problem seems fixed (though we need confirmation for dualhead). [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:31:02] Spitzname stickster nennt sich jetzt stickster_afk. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:31:14] I've been using it... it works for the most part. I perceive a minor glitch or 2, but it's certainly acceptable until 4.2 lands. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:31:51] 4.1.2-6 now has 9 revisions of bugfixes beyond the openSUSE backport. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:32:17] heh. :) sorry, thought I haven't any dual-head setups to test, however. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:33:28] For the record: 866710, 866715, 866998, 868231, 869277, 869882, 869925, 870041 and 871058. :-) [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:34:17] Kevin_Kofler: does the OpenSuse backport have Taskbar grouping feature ? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:34:38] doubt it. I don't see it anyway. :) [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:34:49] I don't think so. I can double-check, but I haven't seen the new taskbar backported there. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:35:00] the feature seems to be included in 4.2 [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:35:05] (Nor any quick hacks to add it to the 4.1 taskbar.) [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:35:11] it's on the 4.2_Feature_Plan [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:35:49] AFAIK it's already implemented in the new taskbar which is headed for 4.2 (might be already in the trunk by now). [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:36:05] yes, it's already in trunk [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:36:34] but it's not finished [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:37:50] where's this discussion leading, another backport? If that's the direction, I'm personally nervous about all the stuff we already include, much less pulling in more. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:38:46] it's s slippery slope, and a lot of work, as evidenced by the autohide proliferation of patches already. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:39:37] Indeed, tracking bugfixes is not an easy task, especially if the bugfixes introduce other bugs which we then need to locate the fix for. (That was what broke 4.1.2-4 so badly.) [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:40:03] Now, I'm not going to lecture folks how how they spend their time and energy, (well maybe a little...), but imo there are better uses of our time... one of which is working *upstream* to help these features land properly, for example. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:40:52] ok, I'll get off the soapbox now. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:41:19] Speaking of backports, one thing I wonder is whether we don't want to pull in Ark from trunk wholesale. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:41:40] Ark in 4.1 looks almost like crippleware, a lot of those missing features are back in 4.2. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:41:56] At least: batch mode and servicemenu, support for 7-Zip archives. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:42:04] (And yes, they're already in trunk.) [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:43:11] discussion and consultation with ark/upstream is a prerequisite to any consideration of this, imo [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:45:38] You're probably right, I'll see if I can track down the Ark maintainer on IRC. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:45:42] Well, we only have 15 minutes left and we have an important topic left, so let's move on to it. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:45:49] Thema Kevin_Kofler setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting - Solar artwork". [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:45:56] Next topic: Solar artwork [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:46:31] jreznik: is solar-kde-theme submitted for review yet? working on it? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:46:32] So can you rehash what you did and what is left to do? jreznik? rdieter? than? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:47:02] last status I've seen was this: http://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/kde/f10/kdm-theme/pkg/ [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:47:29] we need review ASAP [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:47:31] jreznik's been working with artwork folks to get more resolutions supported and such... in the meantime [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:47:43] * rdieter will let jreznik speak for himself now. :) [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:48:25] we have more resolutions... I can use them in KSplash but not in KDM [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:48:42] That fedora.png is still in the KSplash theme. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:48:45] Can you please: [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:48:50] or how to set default wide screen for Plasma background [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:48:51] 1. rename it to branding.png and [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:49:09] 2. remove it from the icon theme and not the path so it can be shipped in fedora-logos and an alternative in generic-logos? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:49:28] Also please make a Preview.png without the Fedora logo, maybe with the generic logo. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:49:44] We really don't need the logo to be in the mini preview. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:50:12] Kevin_Kofler, it's so strict even for screenshots? OK, I'll use generic KDE logo [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:50:13] Oops, I meant to write: and note the path [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:53:05] so move it to fedora-logos... generic-logos contains which kind of logos? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:53:39] Anything which is not trademarked, or with a liberal trademark license like the KDE logo. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:54:06] Pretty much anything like that is fair game, as long as replacing the Fedora logo with it makes the theme still work. [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:54:55] imo, these issues can all be sorted out *in the pkg review*. :) [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:55:30] +1 [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:55:32] rdieter, in one place [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:56:01] Thema Kevin_Kofler setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting - Open Discussion". [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:56:12] OK, 4 minutes until the end of the meeting, anything else to discuss? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:56:51] I have to leave now... So who will submit it for review? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:57:27] Why don't you do it (next time you're online)? [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:58:00] Kevin_Kofler, OK [Di Okt 21 2008] [18:58:19] In two hours I hope ;) [Di Okt 21 2008] [19:00:01] OK, that's all folks, time's up. :-)