**** BEGINNE LOGBUCH UM Wed Jul 2 17:48:38 2008 Jul 02 17:48:38 * Du sprichst jetzt in #fedora-robotics Jul 02 17:48:39 * #fedora-robotics :http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Robotics Jul 02 17:51:02 * tim_n hat das Thema geändert zu: Fedora Robotics SIG - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Robotics Jul 02 17:59:55 tim_n: hey :) Jul 02 18:00:13 Hi Arindam! Jul 02 18:00:51 tim_n: how's robocup going...i was reading abou it and seeing the videos sometime back...it's exciting! Jul 02 18:01:02 s/about Jul 02 18:01:18 Let's wait a couple of minutes if more people join for the "real discussion". Jul 02 18:01:45 yeah...sure Jul 02 18:01:48 Yeah, we're preparing. One robot is already on its way to China, the small humanoids are still here with us. On Sat 11th we'll leave. Jul 02 18:02:24 Actually it's the 12th... Jul 02 18:02:56 I'm currently porting our framework to the new robots (Nao, see http://www.aldebaran-robotics.com/eng/Nao.php) Jul 02 18:03:39 oh! the new bots you blogged about...cool Jul 02 18:04:42 Jepp, OpenEmbedded is fun - once you got it working. Jul 02 18:14:30 * mcleanj (n=mcleanj@nat/redhat/x-0cc5baf4ff6cd8e2) hat #fedora-robotics betreten Jul 02 18:17:29 well, since there seems to be no conversation, I'll go ahead and introduce myself. I'm John McLean, I'm interning at Red Hat this summer as a fedora intern, and I've started to become interested in robotics, so I figured it'd be good to join this SIG and see what I could do to help Jul 02 18:20:46 mcleanj: well...currently we are on the packaging stage...just started packaging so to say Jul 02 18:21:05 mcleanj: Welcome! Jul 02 18:21:15 Maybe since nobody else seems to attend we should just start. Jul 02 18:21:33 Another big one on the list is Gazebo. Jul 02 18:21:50 This is the 3D simulator environment based on Player. Jul 02 18:23:06 There are currently a few reviews underway, progressing slowly. Jul 02 18:23:32 Have you read the log from the last session? Jul 02 18:26:03 tim_n: btw, what about the desktop files....most thingy in p/s/g seems to work from CLI Jul 02 18:26:49 Yes, you are probably right. If it does not make sense we shouldn't come up with any. Jul 02 18:27:00 Did the reviewer already answer to your comment on that? Jul 02 18:27:46 not yet.....what about player even...jef added some desktop files...din't he? Jul 02 18:28:03 mcleanj: Are you a student at a university, from school? Jul 02 18:28:24 makghosh: To be honest, I hadn't yet the time to go through the Player review... Jul 02 18:29:00 tim_n: he he...got it! i am going thru similar time management problems :) Jul 02 18:29:20 tim_n: I'm a student in high school, I'll be a senior next year Jul 02 18:29:54 mcleanj: Good. How long are you gonna be an intern? Jul 02 18:30:12 till aug 15, though I plan on still contributing to fedora after that Jul 02 18:30:13 makghosh: Yeah, we have to get this going, anyway. Jul 02 18:30:55 Great. What we want to come up with is a LiveCD that you can run the simulator from with a demo scenario and just start playing with a robot, to get people interested. Jul 02 18:31:07 So Gazebo would be the logical next step for this. Jul 02 18:31:17 (besides Stage) Jul 02 18:32:03 What we need to do is to figure out if it's easily packageable, if and how it can be extended when installed in the system, if the source is required to extend it, and what demo scenario to use. Jul 02 18:32:19 Additionally we need to figure out if the open 3D drivers are efficient enough... Jul 02 18:35:03 tim_n: i guess that can be done Jul 02 18:35:14 What? Jul 02 18:35:42 so you know: I don't know anything about the programs you're talking about, but I plan on learning in the next few days and *hopefully* learning enough to become relatively useful in the near future Jul 02 18:35:57 tim_n: atleast for the intel drivers...quite properly...i mean to sort out the video driver dependency of gazebo Jul 02 18:36:30 Ah, yeah. On my ATI card (X1400) I can run Webots (a commercial simulator). It's not as speed as with the fglrx driver, but it works... Jul 02 18:36:51 * hedayat (n=hedayat@78.39.12.10) hat #fedora-robotics betreten Jul 02 18:37:06 Hi all! Jul 02 18:37:14 Excuse me for beeing late :( Jul 02 18:37:15 mcleanj: Sounds good! You can use the list if there are questions. Start with Player, it's packaged and it's the base for Stage and Gazebo... Jul 02 18:37:28 Hi hedayat. Jul 02 18:37:46 tim_n: hi Jul 02 18:37:50 alright, I'll do that Jul 02 18:38:01 :) Jul 02 18:39:50 hedayat: hey :) Jul 02 18:40:11 makghosh: how are you? Jul 02 18:41:34 hedayat: fine... Jul 02 18:42:33 Are the package reviews going well? Jul 02 18:43:07 I was a little off recently (unfortunately) Jul 02 18:43:13 hedayat: as for stge one reviewer gave a formal review Jul 02 18:43:17 s/stage Jul 02 18:44:10 as well as for Player and libkni. Jul 02 18:44:12 aha! nice. Jul 02 18:45:20 reviews are in for all...but both player/stage are lil stuck with desktop file thingy.... Jul 02 18:45:48 I just noticed the rcssserver3d entry in the menu yesterday. Two things: It should have a more descriptive name like "RoboCup 3D Soccer Server" and the category is weird. Jul 02 18:46:03 I want a robotics category, but for that we need the icon makers on our side :-) Jul 02 18:46:16 somebody is going to review my package too. Jul 02 18:46:28 tim_n: Yes :) Jul 02 18:47:10 tim_n: I've searched for the categories and I found Robotics under such categories Jul 02 18:47:26 tim_n: but I don't feel comfortable with them too Jul 02 18:47:34 specially the Education one Jul 02 18:48:42 tim_n: OK, I'll change the name. You're right it's not a good name now. Jul 02 18:48:58 And the category should be fine for now. Jul 02 18:49:51 tim_n: I thought that such a name will be too long. But there are longer names in my menu already. So I'll use the suggested name Jul 02 18:49:54 Thanks Jul 02 18:50:00 :) Jul 02 18:50:24 tim_n: agreed robotics category will be great.....we may need to add more apps that can add more icon/.desktops it that category. Jul 02 18:50:40 Exactly. Jul 02 18:53:02 it's not that player/stage/gazebo(not musch sure abt gazebo) etc can't give .destops but it would be great to have a GUI that takes those .cfg files as options....which will lead to a fruitful use of a menu item actually Jul 02 18:53:12 makghosh: It seems that stage cannot have a good .desktop file. I think your explanation is acceptable (in your pacakge review) Jul 02 18:54:21 hedayat: yeah...at present stage shouldn't have it....it won't solve musch purpose Jul 02 18:54:29 s/much Jul 02 18:54:34 Yes, I think a contribution by us could be this GUI that allows useful interaction. For now we shouldn't pretend that the entry could be useful... Jul 02 18:55:38 Exactly...what's not *is* a _not_ Jul 02 18:56:00 :) Jul 02 18:57:11 Unfortunately I have to leave soon. Is there anything urgent we should discuss now? Jul 02 18:57:34 I think the current work is getting the reviews through, from there we can continue, right? Jul 02 18:58:30 Yes, my package doesn't have much problems now Jul 02 18:58:38 I hope that it'll be accepted soon Jul 02 18:58:39 tim_n: yup....and did you happened to give a look at carmen? Jul 02 18:58:46 hedayat: good :) Jul 02 18:58:50 makghosh: No, not yet. Jul 02 18:59:03 tim_n: okie Jul 02 18:59:30 makghosh: :) Jul 02 19:00:13 Ok, in two weeks I'll be in China for RoboCup, so would you mind having the next meeting in three weeks from now on July 23rd? Jul 02 19:01:29 tim_n: That's OK for me. Unfortunately we were unable to get enough support to come to China :( Jul 02 19:01:54 Oh, too bad. Had hope to meet you there in person. Next time! Jul 02 19:02:15 tim_n: thanks Jul 02 19:02:17 tim_n: ok for me Jul 02 19:02:57 hedayat: where do you live btw....? :) Jul 02 19:03:15 makghosh: Iran Jul 02 19:03:17 Ok, then it's July 23rd. Jul 02 19:03:25 done Jul 02 19:03:31 tim_n: OK Jul 02 19:03:40 mcleanj: that is a long time, you probably have an idea earlier. So just use the mailing list. Jul 02 19:03:58 hedayat: sorry....i forgot :) Jul 02 19:04:21 makghosh: :) Jul 02 19:04:43 makghosh: no problem! not much important Jul 02 19:04:45 Hmm, maybe I'm not back on the 23rd, actually... Have to check, will post to the mailing list. Jul 02 19:05:03 Gotta go now. See you and keep on your great work and effort! Jul 02 19:05:36 tim_n: take your time but but bfore 26th...more on mailin list :) Jul 02 19:05:54 tim_n: bye! good luck Jul 02 19:06:07 Thanks! Will do my best. See you! Jul 02 19:06:26 tim_n: I'll do that Jul 02 19:06:27 Python interface unloaded **** BEENDE LOGBUCH UM Wed Jul 2 19:06:27 2008