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[18:09] <rdieter> who can be secretary for logging/summary today?
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[18:10] <rdieter> gold star sticker for ltinkl today
[18:10] <rdieter> alrighty, agenda... first item: KDE 4.2.2
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[18:10] <rdieter> ltinkl: status?
[18:11] <ltinkl> KDE 4.2.2 is already imported in CVS, starting to build after the meeting
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[18:11] <rdieter> short-n-sweet, anything else 4.2.2-wise to discuss?
[18:12] <ltinkl> once we manage to successfully compile it for rawhide, then I'll backport it to F9/F10
[18:12] <Kevin_Kofler> Yay.[18:13] <Kevin_Kofler> We need to look at the Qt 4.5 issues MathStuf has reported.
[18:13] <Kevin_Kofler> Kolourpaint is not working, at least the 4.2.1 one.
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[18:13] <Kevin_Kofler> Maybe it's already fixed in 4.2.2 or maybe it's checking for Qt 4.5 at build time.
[18:13] <ltinkl> is there some tracker bug?
[18:13] <Kevin_Kofler> And qgit also has problems.[18:13] <rdieter> kolourpaint not working how?
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[18:14] <Kevin_Kofler> MathStuf knows the details, unfortunately he's not present.
[18:14] <rdieter> ok, bugs need to be filed (confirmed)
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[18:15] <Kevin_Kofler> And qgit apparently hangs when opening a repo.
[18:15] <Kevin_Kofler> MathStuf mentioned these on #fedora-kde yesterday or so.[18:16] <-- nicubunu has left this server ("Fading into sunset").
[18:16] <rdieter> ok, with bugs open, we can start to track these issues
[18:16] <rdieter> we can come back to qt-4.5 later, when we have time[18:16] <Kevin_Kofler> So, next topic?[18:16] <rdieter> next topic: split of kdearwork , jreznik?
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[18:18] <jreznik> I've tried it and I think it should be done - I can commit to CVS[18:18] <jreznik> for livecd it could be very useful
[18:18] <svahl> which subpkgs should go onto the live images then?[18:19] <Kevin_Kofler> And how is it split?
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[18:19] <rdieter> and, if available, approx/estimated space savings. ;)
[18:20] <jreznik> wallpapers should not go to livecd
[18:21] <rdieter> jreznik: shrug, if you think it's safe,I'd tend to say "just do it".  but I didn't think much of kdeartwork went on the livecd anyway.
[18:21] <Kevin_Kofler> Well, it used to be there at some point, but currently it's not.
[18:22] <jreznik> wa want smaller artwork to be there but not all
[18:22] <rdieter> ok, split++, we can add prudent stuff to @kde-desktop in comps, then possibly omit some/all from livecd-kde.ks
[18:23] <rdieter> just checked, kdeartwork is default on comps-f11
[18:23] <rdieter> kdeartwork-extras is optional
[18:23] <rdieter> and current ks doesn't omit anything kdeartwork-related
[18:24] <Kevin_Kofler> I think kdeartwork-wallpapers (once split out) should only be default if and only if kdebase-workspace-wallpapers is, too.
[18:24] <Kevin_Kofler> kdebase-workspace-wallpapers are the default ones, kdeartwork-wallpapers the extra ones.
[18:24] <Kevin_Kofler> It doesn't make sense to default to installing the extra ones and omitting the default ones.
[18:25] <rdieter> what's the git equivalent to : cvs up ?  (my git.fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts is a bit stale)
[18:25] <skvidal> git pull
[18:25] <jreznik> and update? at least for hg
[18:25] <jreznik> and it should be same for git
[18:25] <rdieter> duh, I tried that first, but was in wrong dir.
[18:26] <rdieter> ok, has now:  -kdeartwork
[18:26] <Kevin_Kofler> Hooray for DVCSs forcing you to do twice the work...
[18:26] <Kevin_Kofler> (same for committing and pushing)
[18:26] <rdieter> I propose jreznik commit the changes, we review things, and modify comps/spin-kickstarts as needed.[18:27] <Kevin_Kofler> +1
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[18:28] <jreznik> it can save about 12 megs on wallpaper so I think we should do it
[18:28] <rdieter> moving on.... bug #493061 : kpackagekit's translations are not working
[18:28] <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=493061 medium, low, ---, smparrish, NEW, translations not working
[18:28] <jreznik> I'll update it
[18:29] <rdieter> SMParrish: ping?\[18:29] <-- poelcat has left this channel.[18:29] <Kevin_Kofler> ltinkl has respun a kpackagekit tarball including translations, but apparently the software fails to pick them up at runtime.
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[18:29] <ltinkl> the tarball seems ok, I'll look into fixing the code
[18:30] <svahl> at least for german and french (I've only tried these languages)
[18:30] <Kevin_Kofler> I think it's probably the same for all languages.
[18:30] <ltinkl> the translations are packaged, the app doesn't pick them up
[18:30] <ltinkl> let's move on, I'll see what I can do
[18:31] <rdieter> nod, you can all probably lynch me for saying so, but I kinda regret using kpackagekit, missing translations, missing features, slight unreliability  vs.  pk-gnome[18:32] <rdieter> next topic:  http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20948 GObject property names vs D-Bus property names (Qt related)
[18:32] <buggbot> Bug 20948: normal, medium, ---, rob.taylor@codethink.co.uk, ASSIGNED, GObject property names vs D-Bus property names
[18:32] <Kevin_Kofler> The unreliability should be gone already. The settings issue seems to be fixed in KDE 4.2, the other bugs should be addressed in the Rawhide kpackagekit.[18:32] *** rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-31 -- http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20948 GObject property names vs D-Bus property names (Qt related)".
[18:32] <Kevin_Kofler> E.g. removing dependent packages is claimed to work now by upstream (but I haven't tried it).
[18:32] <Kevin_Kofler> Also installing unsigned packages.
[18:33] <jreznik> this bug looks like Qt is too strict
[18:33] <Kevin_Kofler> For that D-Bus stuff, I think we need to wait for an upstream decision.
[18:33] <jreznik> but I'm not dbus guru...
[18:33] <Kevin_Kofler> It makes no sense to try to hack around it with a Fedora-specific API.
[18:34] <Kevin_Kofler> Apps can only use the API if they can rely on it being there.
[18:34] <Kevin_Kofler> So this can't really be done in a distro-specific way.
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[18:34] <rdieter> so... anything for us (kde-sig) to do here?
[18:34] <jreznik> I only need some response to answer that student
[18:35] <Kevin_Kofler> Tell him to tTalk to[18:35] <Kevin_Kofler> Tell him to talk to Thiago Maceira ASAP.
[18:35] <Kevin_Kofler> AFAIK he's the main QtDBus developer.
[18:36] <rdieter> drop into #qt or #kde-devel
[18:36] <rdieter> alright, move on?
[18:36] <Kevin_Kofler> If we get some commitment from Qt Software for a changed API (even if it's only for 4.6), we can backport it.
[18:37] <Kevin_Kofler> But we can't just introduce a Fedora-only API.
[18:37] <jreznik> move on
[18:38] <Kevin_Kofler> (It's not obvious what those invalid property names should map to.)
[18:39] <Kevin_Kofler> OK, move on.
[18:40] *** rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-31 -- bug #493003 : PackageKit-qt-0.3.15-1 broke".
[18:40] <rdieter> bug #493003 : PackageKit-qt-0.3.15-1 broke
[18:40] <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=493003 high, low, ---, richard, ASSIGNED, PackageKit-qt-0.3.15-1 broke kded4 startup
[18:41] <rdieter> hughsie on irc anywhere, but I commented in the bug, and in the bodhi update.  I didn't want to jump in to fix anything without hearing from him first.[18:41] <rdieter> didn't find ... on irc anywhere so far... I meant
[18:42] <rdieter> cliff's notes version: pk-qt built against qt-4.5.0 doesn't work all that well on systems with qt-4.4.x
[18:43] <Kevin_Kofler> s/all that well/at all/[18:43] <Kevin_Kofler> There are unresolved symbols.
[18:43] <Kevin_Kofler> I think rebuilding it against 4.4 should be fairly obvious.[18:43] <Kevin_Kofler> I think you can go ahead with doing that if the ACLs let you.
[18:44] <rdieter> I couldn't unpush the broken update, but sure, I'll untag qt-4.5.x and go from there, I guess
[18:44] <Kevin_Kofler> hughsie will have to edit the updates.
[18:45] <Kevin_Kofler> Though I think you could just push a new one and Bodhi will obsolete the broken one.
[18:45] <jreznik> yes, it possible[18:45] <jreznik> it's
[18:46] *** rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-31 -- open discussion".[18:46] <rdieter> ok, that's about it for the agenda, anything else?  more qt-4.5-related stuff?
[18:46] <Kevin_Kofler> A heads-up was sent today to fedora-devel-list that the release notes get converted from the wiki to XML tomorrow.[18:46] <Kevin_Kofler> This may get postponed due to the late notice.[18:47] <-- drago01 has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[18:47] <Kevin_Kofler> But I guess I'll have to try to get the KDE parts updated today.
[18:47] <Kevin_Kofler> Once converted to XML, the fixes will have to be sent to the docs team to be made on the XML.
[18:47] <Kevin_Kofler> (There's another week or so scheduled for that.)
[18:48] <jreznik> ha, Thiago Macieira replies to that thread
[18:48] <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: how are the kde-related release notes? how much work?  need help?
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[18:49] <-- adamw has left this server (Nick collision from services.).[18:49] <Kevin_Kofler> Basically, we need to decide how much old content to include again (i.e. do we want to list the KDE 3 backwards compatibility stuff again? I think it's old news and we should focus on the new stuff).
[18:49] <Kevin_Kofler> Then write up the new parts.
[18:50] <rdieter> nod, release notes should basically highlight the important changes from the previous release, no?
[18:52] <jreznik> no kde3 stuff[18:52] <jreznik> in relnotes
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[18:54] <rdieter> oh, Kevin_Kofler mentioned yesterday, that we ought to track which packages to include along with qt-4.5.x in the wiki somewhere, if it hasn't been done already, I'll start one after meeting
[18:55] <jreznik> rdieter: please include arora
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[18:55] <rdieter> jreznik: NVR ? (is it built yet?)
[18:55] <jreznik> it's build already
[18:56] <rdieter> ok[18:56] <jreznik> I have to leave now
[18:56] <Kevin_Kofler> kde-plasma-weather-1.0.0-3.fc{9,10}
[18:56] <Kevin_Kofler> And the latest EVR for psi (haven't checked which it is, the request didn't include it).
[18:56] <Kevin_Kofler> Oh, actually it did.
[18:56] <Kevin_Kofler> psi-0.12.1-2
[18:57] <jreznik> arora-0.6-1.{fc9,fc10}
[18:57] <rdieter> ok, 'bout out of time today, let's wrap things up.  thanks everyone![18:58] <jreznik> thanks :) leaving
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