Mai 15 22:05:53 Kevin_Kofler	rdieter: I'm currently looking through the contents of your kde-settings package:
Mai 15 22:06:14 Kevin_Kofler	In /etc/kde/kdm/backgroundrc, Wallpaper used to be default.jpg, now it's default.png.
Mai 15 22:06:42 rdieter	??? wierd.  I remember looking at that too (and it was .jpg)
Mai 15 22:06:50 rdieter	ok, easy enough to fix.
Mai 15 22:07:06 Kevin_Kofler	Next: Why are you including FedoraFlyingHigh.kcsrc in kde-settings? Than added it to redhat-artwork-kde.
Mai 15 22:07:39 rdieter	collision, we both added it at the same time.
Mai 15 22:07:56 rdieter	when I did it, I didn't know how long it would take (and didn't want to block on redhat-artwork)
Mai 15 22:08:01 Kevin_Kofler	Next and this one is a blocker: there's a few kde.png files in the crystalsvg directory containing the Kubuntu logo.
Mai 15 22:08:13 rdieter	arg, I thought I omitted those, sorry.
Mai 15 22:08:26 rdieter	pretty cool though, eh?  (we should have something like that)
Mai 15 22:09:46 Kevin_Kofler	Next, is it normal that there's both /usr/share/kde-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdm and /etc/kde/kdm with the same stuff?
Mai 15 22:10:36 rdieter	I was trying to get the stuff under kde-profile to work, but failed, so that part can be omitted too.
Mai 15 22:11:19 rdieter	(failed for using with kdm that is)
Mai 15 22:12:01 rdieter	good spot, anything else?  Otherwise, I'll go whip up a new build with these fixes.
Mai 15 22:12:21 rdieter	(or you're welcome to do it too)
Mai 15 22:13:54 *	couf ist jetzt bekannt als couf_afk
Mai 15 22:14:22 Kevin_Kofler	And last, here's diffs for the kdmrc and the .../share/config dirs between the previous Fedora configs and yours: http://repo.calcforge.org/f7/
Mai 15 22:14:41 svahl	is kde-sig meeting started?
Mai 15 22:14:53 *	boto hat die Verbindung getrennt (Remote closed the connection)
Mai 15 22:15:03 Kevin_Kofler	Not officially, though it's supposed to given the time. ;-)
Mai 15 22:15:54 rdieter	well I'll be, lost track of time, sure.
Mai 15 22:16:14 rdieter	svahl: we're just working on kde-settings tweaking.
Mai 15 22:17:38 Kevin_Kofler	Oh, and I hope the "Kiosk-style" configs will actually work properly, as that's really the big change there.
Mai 15 22:17:56 rdieter	it's working for me (and using kiosktool to set/modify is way cool)
Mai 15 22:18:15 rdieter	not even (released) kubuntu has that working 100% (yet)
Mai 15 22:18:33 svahl	ok. when you're done I have some topics to discuss
Mai 15 22:18:35 rdieter	though their current configs certainly have more polish.
Mai 15 22:18:45 rdieter	svahl: you have the floor.
Mai 15 22:19:03 Kevin_Kofler	Uh, if nobody has it working 100%, then do we really want to unleash that on F7? Or am I misunderstanding you there?
Mai 15 22:19:24 Kevin_Kofler	Another thing: Should there really be "kioskAdmin=rdieter1:" in kderc?
Mai 15 22:19:26 rdieter	KK: they don't have it working, because their setup/configs weren't compatible with it's usage.
Mai 15 22:19:55 svahl	1. I need some suggestions for final package list for livecd (due to split of some kde packages): 1. speedcrunch as calculator?
Mai 15 22:19:56 rdieter	yes, rdieter1 totally OWNZ your boxen. :)
Mai 15 22:20:24 rdieter	svahl: whatever is set as "default" in kde-desktop group in comps-f7.xml
Mai 15 22:20:31 rdieter	:)
Mai 15 22:20:32 svahl	2. i like to drop kdeaddons because it requires kdemultimedia-extras (and gstreamer)
Mai 15 22:21:01 svahl	rdieter, I've compared that last week but the problem is the space
Mai 15 22:21:16 Kevin_Kofler	Maybe qalculate-kde for the calculator?
Mai 15 22:21:17 rdieter	2. good point, kdeaddons is out.
Mai 15 22:21:55 svahl	speedcrunch is ugly qt :)
Mai 15 22:21:57 Kevin_Kofler	qalculate-kde even has some support for symbolic computations.
Mai 15 22:21:59 rdieter	or, I'll leave kdeaddons in comps, you can manually -kdeaddons
Mai 15 22:22:20 *	rdieter doesn't care, as long as we have one calculator.
Mai 15 22:22:30 rdieter	KK: you like qalculate better, huh?
Mai 15 22:22:32 svahl	rdieter, leave it in comps.xml . I will manually remove it
Mai 15 22:23:00 rdieter	svalh: is that enough to make things fit, or do we need to omit more?
Mai 15 22:23:09 Kevin_Kofler	rdieter: Well, it actually links the KDE libs for one. :-)
Mai 15 22:23:22 Kevin_Kofler	(despite the "Q" in the name)
Mai 15 22:23:29 svahl	rdieter, that's my current package list (~680 megs): http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl/PackageList
Mai 15 22:24:22 svahl	3. how importand is synaptics for laptop users? we've missed this before (but nobody complains about it)
Mai 15 22:24:29 rdieter	svahl: you really using that full list for a package list/manifest?
Mai 15 22:24:46 svahl	rdieter, no :) 
Mai 15 22:25:01 rdieter	3. dunno. (no opinion), why?  is it big, candidate for omission?
Mai 15 22:25:02 svahl	rpm -qa --qf "%{name}\n" sort in chrootet livecd
Mai 15 22:25:12 svahl	no. just ~500kb
Mai 15 22:25:15 svahl	afair
Mai 15 22:26:04 svahl	i will add it then.
Mai 15 22:26:37 svahl	4. I'm lost in multimedia-things. do we need gstreamer-plugins for something? or is xine-lib-extras enough (amarok, kaffeine)
Mai 15 22:27:15 rdieter	svahl: I *think* we should be able to be gst-free.  I haven't gotten to kdemm bits yet today.
Mai 15 22:27:42 Kevin_Kofler	I don't think anything in KDE 3 uses GStreamer.
Mai 15 22:27:56 Kevin_Kofler	Amarok dropped it, and Kaffeine doesn't use it by default.
Mai 15 22:28:09 rdieter	juk I think (can) use it.
Mai 15 22:28:16 Kevin_Kofler	(and Kaffeine doesn't even fully work with it, I think)
Mai 15 22:28:24 svahl	no package requires it. so I think we could leave it
Mai 15 22:28:45 Kevin_Kofler	KDE 4 will have it as one of the options for Phonon, but that's irrelevant for the F7 KDE live CD. ;-)
Mai 15 22:29:23 rdieter	KK: (offtopic) you know if phonon has any use of pulseaudio?
Mai 15 22:29:28 rdieter	(yet)?
Mai 15 22:30:10 rdieter	I ask because one goal for F8/gnome is to try to standardize on using pulseaudio, and jrb asked me about it at rh-summit.
Mai 15 22:30:47 svahl	ok. second big topic: Release Notes. We should discuss some releases notes for the web. My first draft for the livecd is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl/Notes
Mai 15 22:31:02 Kevin_Kofler	They have 2 versions of a GStreamer backend, an NMM backend and a Xine backend.
Mai 15 22:31:10 Kevin_Kofler	I guess Pulseaudio can be used through Xine.
Mai 15 22:31:16 Kevin_Kofler	But not directly.
Mai 15 22:31:49 rdieter	eww, phonon -> xine -> pulseaudio ? oh well, we can worry about that later.
Mai 15 22:32:00 svahl	*g*
Mai 15 22:33:00 rdieter	svahl: definite good start.  We'll certainly have more to add later (I can't think of much off the top of my head atm)
Mai 15 22:33:16 Kevin_Kofler	Why would we want to use PulseAudio at all locally? Isn't that what dmix or hardware mixing through ALSA is for? The only use of something like PulseAudio or NMM (or the obsolescent aRts) is network-transparency these days.
Mai 15 22:33:46 rdieter	and sharing sound device.
Mai 15 22:34:05 Kevin_Kofler	That's what mixing (dmix or hardware) is for...
Mai 15 22:34:26 rdieter	they already tried, and failed, to make dmix the alsa default (not enough sound cards support it)
Mai 15 22:34:39 svahl	rdieter, ok. but we should definitely discuss this in the next meeting before it's to late (again) :)
Mai 15 22:34:45 rdieter	apparently, I know not of the ways of alsa magic.
Mai 15 22:34:46 Kevin_Kofler	dmix is the default for my ens1371...
Mai 15 22:35:06 rdieter	svahl: anything else?
Mai 15 22:35:10 svahl	jep
Mai 15 22:35:37 svahl	3. has anybody installed the livecd to hard drive? Are the fonts in firstboot ugly?
Mai 15 22:35:57 svahl	I sadly have no screenshot available but AFAIR they are different from the gnome cd
Mai 15 22:36:02 rdieter	svahl: yes, no. (I've only done it once recently)
Mai 15 22:36:24 svahl	ok. I've thought I was missing a font package
Mai 15 22:36:31 rdieter	firstboot looked fine for me, not for you?
Mai 15 22:36:58 rdieter	just got a new lappy, so I'll be instaling it again real soon (prolly tonight)
Mai 15 22:36:58 svahl	fonts were a little bit tiny. It is hard to describe
Mai 15 22:37:27 Kevin_Kofler	Maybe the X11 DPI setting is being set differently in KDE than in GNOME?
Mai 15 22:37:32 rdieter	maybe resolution-dependent.
Mai 15 22:37:57 rdieter	KK: yeah, like KDE actually uses screen dpi (and gnome doesn't, last I knew, but I could be wrong)
Mai 15 22:38:02 svahl	maybe. but firstboot is metacity afaik
Mai 15 22:38:34 svahl	ok. 4. rdieter, what's the status of xdg-user-dirs integration? (#238371)
Mai 15 22:38:43 rdieter	still a TODO item.
Mai 15 22:38:59 rdieter	maybe tomorrow.
Mai 15 22:39:26 svahl	will it get to f7final maybe? (it's related to my release notes)
Mai 15 22:39:45 svahl	or  is it planned as an update after release
Mai 15 22:40:40 rdieter	f7-final most likely, shouldn't be too hard.
Mai 15 22:41:03 svahl	ok.
Mai 15 22:41:09 Kevin_Kofler	svahl: In case you're interested (and not too busy with F7 stuff to even think of this), I wrote this up earlier today: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KevinKofler/F8KDE4Plan
Mai 15 22:41:35 svahl	Kevin_Kofler, already read it :)
Mai 15 22:41:43 svahl	sounds good
Mai 15 22:44:08 *	nman64_away ist jetzt bekannt als nman64
Mai 15 22:44:39 svahl	5. user icon in kdm (#239694). Should we use default1.png or pick another one?
Mai 15 22:44:56 svahl	it's the one from testuser1 from here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=154550
Mai 15 22:46:06 rdieter	which do you like better?
Mai 15 22:46:39 svahl	unsure. the one from gdm :)
Mai 15 22:47:23 rdieter	no opinion myself, any of those are ok with me.
Mai 15 22:47:33 svahl	but I don't know which icon they use (it's not /usr/share/pixmaps/nobody.png)
Mai 15 22:49:21 rdieter	I need to go fix kde-settings before I leave today (in 10-15 minutes), can somebody else grab/post the irc log on the wiki for me?
Mai 15 22:49:37 svahl	I could do
Mai 15 22:49:43 rdieter	thanks!
Mai 15 22:50:10 svahl	Today somebody asked on fedora-devel-ml for an kde irc channel. What do you think?
Mai 15 22:51:17 rdieter	not necessary, imo. but if anyone want's to create/hang-out in (something like) #fedora-kde, who are we to say no.
Mai 15 22:51:36 Kevin_Kofler	For the user icons, default3 would fit our color scheme the best. Unfortunately, it makes the users look like space aliens.
Mai 15 22:51:48 rdieter	aliens are cool.
Mai 15 22:51:56 svahl	*g*
Mai 15 22:53:34 svahl	I would like an kde irc channel - also for devel discussions. fedora-devel is sometimes very full
Mai 15 22:54:49 rdieter	#kde or #kde-devel ?
Mai 15 22:55:31 svahl	#kde-devel would fit better. I never was in #fedora and have no idea if normal users want a kde channel
Mai 15 22:56:22 svahl	oh. IMHO, of course :)
Mai 15 22:58:24 svahl	and Kevin_Kofler I just want to say thank you for the great work with kdm :)
Mai 15 22:58:41 rdieter	+9999999
Mai 15 23:00:22 svahl	ok. That's all from me.
Mai 15 23:00:46 Kevin_Kofler	You're welcome. :-)
Mai 15 23:00:54 rdieter	thanks all.  see ya tomorrow (hopefully).
Mai 15 23:01:17 Kevin_Kofler	I'm glad I was able to help, having been using KDE on Fedora since FC1 (and on RHL before that).
Mai 15 23:01:17 rdieter	fwiw: kdelibs: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=6622
Mai 15 23:01:21 *	svahl must idle in fedora-devel more often
Mai 15 23:01:28 rdieter	kdebase: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=6624