[Di Dez 9 2008] [17:02:06] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-12-09 -- Init". [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:02:15] KDE SIG Meeting start, who's present today? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:02:29] * jreznik is present [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:02:41] * SMParrish here [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:02:45] (partly) present [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:03:24] let's get started slowly, light agenda, so let's troll a bit for topics first. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:03:31] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-12-09 -- Agenda items". [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:03:48] I can do: kde-redhat/unstable 4.1.80 status [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:04:20] Present. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:04:25] maybe mention kpackagekit related stuff: broken deps, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=475303 [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:04:26] present [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:04:27] Bug 475303: medium, high, ---, smparrish@shallowcreek.net, NEW, KPackageKit sometimes forgets setting not to auto-install security updates [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:04:56] rahwide/4.1.82 updates [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:04:59] 4.2 Rawhide status: kdebindings, kde-l10n breakage [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:05:34] kopete-cryptography [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:06:03] There's also the KitchenSync fun, but we probably need to wait for what libopensync we will have in Rawhide to make any decisions there. (Andreas Bierfert said he was evaluating 0.38, but there's a lot of breakage in plugins etc.) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:06:40] Missing libmsn dep for Kopete. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:07:02] Kevin_Kofler: new python caused breakage in kdebindings? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:07:12] ok, let's get started. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:07:23] topic 1: 4.1.4 [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:07:30] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-12-09 -- kde-4.1.4". [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:08:10] tagging for kde-4.1.4 was going to happen soonish, but upstream rel-eng is considering delaying a bit, I ack'd that from our(fedora) pov. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:08:34] there's apparently a handful of backports still pending [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:08:43] who want to take care of 4.1.4 update for F9/F10? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:08:48] than: No, the Smoke/Ruby stuff is broken (in kdebindings itself), but let's come to that later. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:09:03] Kevin_Kofler: ok [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:09:32] any other comment, objection? (move on?) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:09:52] I'm going to handle the kdelibs4 etc. stuff for F8, it'll almost certainly be the last update of the F8 KDE 4 stuff. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:09:59] nod [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:10:27] not sure if it's even worth it this close to EOL, but I won't stop you if you want to do it. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:10:29] I can also help with F9 and F10, we'll see how much time we all have when it actually gets tagged. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:10:33] i will take care of 4.1.4 [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:11:03] go team! [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:11:20] I will do the update for F9/F10 [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:11:40] than, ltinkl: Well, I'll let you sort out how you split the work. :-) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:11:54] next agenda item: krunner (aka minicli aka Alt+F2) not remembering typed commands between sessions [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:12:00] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-12-09 -- krunner (aka minicli aka Alt+F2) not remembering typed commands between sessions". [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:12:10] That's a KDE 4.1 bug/glitch/limitation. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:12:13] ltinkl noticed this one earler today, I confirmed it. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:12:14] It is reportedly fixed in 4.2. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:12:37] ok, I'll bravely try out 4.1.80 later, and see [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:12:57] backport to 4.1.4? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:13:06] if still reproducible, we can ping upstream [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:13:23] Kevin_Kofler: ye wondering the same, somehow I missed the commit... do you have the svn revnumber handy? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:14:09] Uh, no. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:14:31] But I remember Stalwart mentioning that it had changed, but also complaining that it was behaving incorrectly when it did remember the line. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:14:43] (Or at least I think it was Stalwart, not sure.) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:15:02] I'll search the mailing lists archives a bit [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:15:04] Selecting the line in the history or even retyping it would not work, it would not run anything. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:15:15] quite a change :) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:15:18] One had to add a space each time to get it recognized. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:15:36] I don't know if this is fixed in current trunk. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:16:39] ok, I'll see what I find, let's move on? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:17:46] Yes, move on. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:18:45] ok, next topic (random): kopete-cryptography, jreznik ? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:18:55] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-12-09 -- kopete-cryptography status". [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:19:23] rdieter: ok, I have to patches - one for Kopete Jabber protocol, one for kopete-cryptography [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:19:53] so it looks like interaction between jabber and k-c and authors are maybe using it with another protocol [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:20:03] any upstream bugs? or plan to upstream these patches yet? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:20:22] it solves one upstream bug [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:20:32] another one reported [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:20:37] with patches [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:21:19] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473412 see KDE bugzilla links [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:21:21] Bug 473412: medium, medium, ---, opensource@till.name, ASSIGNED, Review Request: kopete-cryptography - Encrypts and signs messages in Kopete using the OpenPGP [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:21:47] cool, thx. do have any patched builds for testing? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:22:34] rdieter: I'll prepare scratch build, now I have only my own not rpm builds [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:22:57] and I'm asking for some testing [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:22:58] why scratch, why not do a real one? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:23:16] I guess doesn't matter much at this point, a build is a build. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:23:43] next topic: kde-4.1.80 f10 builds @ kde-redhat/unstable [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:23:56] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-12-09 -- kde-redhat/unstable kde-4.1.80 f10 builds". [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:23:57] ok, I'll update kdenetwork with my patch [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:24:08] jreznik: good [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:25:02] short story: I've got all of kde-4.1.80 built/hosted @ kde-redhat/unstable repo for f10, plus rebuilt other (mostly plasma-related) stuff for broken deps [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:25:36] I chose to leave out compiz, non-trivial, I'd have to backport much/all of the compiz stack, which I'm not all that keen on doing atm. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:26:09] gonna try to whip up an f10-based kde-4.1.80 livecd (*unoffiicial/unbranded* of course) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:26:45] my first try was fail, livecd-creator crash/traceback. hopefully fixable (may need svahl expertise here) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:26:58] rdieter: Uh, you only have to apply my compiz kde42 patch to whatever version is in F10. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:27:18] The kde4-window-decorator didn't change much, so I think it'll apply with no fuzz. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:27:21] rdieter: I've not tried current rawhide after the release yet (too much is broken) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:27:23] Kevin_Kofler: plus rebuild compia-fusion packages, as well as possibly other stuff too. still not interested. :) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:27:33] No need to rebuild anything. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:27:41] Except compiz itself of course. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:27:47] why compiz, 4.2 kwin rulez! [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:27:51] If you backport the patch to whatever version is in F10, it'll be binary-compatible. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:28:06] I can do the work, we will need it for an official 4.2 update for F10 anyway. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:28:09] Kevin_Kofler: oh, I just rebuilt rawhide compiz -> broken deps [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:28:37] alright, if you can come up with a binary-compatible build, I'll include it [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:28:43] I didn't realize that the Rawhide compiz already moved beyond the F10 one or I would not have suggested just using it. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:28:54] Now that I think of it, they upgraded compiz after I added my fix. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:29:13] Anyway, I can come up with a working SRPM. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:29:34] svahl: this is an f10 based livecd (building on f10 too), that I'm trying to do. not touching any rawhide bits [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:30:07] ah, sry. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:30:13] anyway, that's the scoop, we can discuss further details after meeting... moving on... [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:30:33] next topic: rawhide, 4.1.82, kdebindings, kde-l10n [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:30:46] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-12-09 -- rawhide: 4.1.82, kdebindings, kde-l10n". [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:31:15] lvillani (with Kevin fixing patches here and there), has started working on importing 4.1.82 into rawhide. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:31:41] I'm sure he'd appreciate any help offerred. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:31:45] 4.1.82 is just a weekly snapshot, isn't it? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:31:53] Kevin_Kofler: yeah, I think so. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:32:02] I'm not sure what the benefit is, why can't we wait for the next official beta or RC instead? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:32:18] shrug, it should make moving to next beta/rc easier [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:32:51] I think it's a big waste of time to upgrade all our KDE once a week or even once every 2 weeks. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:32:52] but yeah, getting short-term fixes is about the only other benefit. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:32:57] and it's better to test [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:33:28] I don't want to spend my time fixing patches for weekly snapshots, I think we have more important things to do. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:33:34] I'm on the fence, but I'd lean toward using available snapshots, but only if we have the time/energy for it. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:33:46] Kevin_Kofler: +1 [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:33:50] Kevin_Kofler: +1 [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:33:54] Like getting a working kde-l10n built (which won't be happening with a weekly snapshot because those don't have l10n). [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:34:17] We need to fix the 4.1.80 kde-l10n if we want a kde-l10n. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:35:07] Kevin_Kofler: what's wrong with l10n for 4.1.80? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:35:16] sorry, lvillani asked on irc yesterday, and after a brief chat with no objections at the time, I told him to go ahead. For future reference, let's wait for at least 1 or 2 +1's before moving forward next time. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:35:30] jreznik: It doesn't build. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:35:37] At least Spanish is broken. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:35:52] and kdebindings' ruby/smoke bustage (those are disabled atm). [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:35:57] my favourite language! should be fixed :D [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:36:04] Somebody sent us patches for it. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:36:17] It's just that none of us had the time to look at them. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:36:22] who wants to work on kde-l10n? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:36:58] jreznik: can you please take care of kde-l10n? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:38:15] than: tomorrow I have DiSC training but Thusday ltinkl is in Brno, so we can take a look to this issue together [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:38:37] there is no time pressure I think [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:39:04] Yes, I think that will be OK. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:39:07] second that, furthermore it's just snapshots, those tend to be broken [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:39:07] jreznik: it's great if you and lukas can take care of it, there's no time pressure of course [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:39:30] I'll try to fix kdebindings. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:39:37] (with the provided patches) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:39:55] for kdebindings, nothing in fedora uses the currently broken stuff, I'm of a mind to keep those bits disabled indefinitely... unless some brave soul (Kevin :) ) is crazy enough to want to try to fix it. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:40:30] ok, Kevin it is, may the force be with you. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:40:55] next topic: kpackagekit, broken deps, bug #475303 [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:40:57] Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=475303 medium, high, ---, smparrish@shallowcreek.net, NEW, KPackageKit sometimes forgets setting not to auto-install security updates [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:41:28] just and fyi mostly, this latest update should address known issues: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/PackageKit-0.3.12-1.fc10,gnome-packagekit-0.3.12-1.fc10,kpackagekit-0.3.1-9.fc10 [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:42:51] estimated time to push it to stable? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:42:55] the packagekit/dbus bustage and broken deps are currently2 FAQ's (on fedora-list, #fedora, fedoraforum) atm [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:43:07] jreznik: when it happens (probably tomorrow) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:43:21] I think a push already happened today, but I could be wrong. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:44:19] it didn't, I just checked, I get a broken dep [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:44:31] Error: Missing Dependency: libpackagekit-glib.so.10()(64bit) is needed by package gnome-packagekit-0.3.9-8.fc10.x86_64 (installed [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:44:44] has not been pushed yet, however comments in bodhi are favorable [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:45:15] right, that's why I mentioned the currently *pending* update to fix the broken deps. Yes, it's broken, fix on the way, here's the link. :) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:46:11] last topic: package wishlist: libmsn [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:46:24] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-12-09 -- package wishlist libmsn". [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:46:41] needed for the new MSN support in kde-4.2's kopete [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:47:31] I think this would be an excellent task for one of our new kde-sig members (who need sponsorship) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:47:55] this one? http://sourceforge.net/projects/libmsn [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:47:57] but we can't wait too long [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:48:21] jreznik: yeah [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:48:46] I don't like (HATE) new sf.net web! [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:48:49] There was indeed an updates push today, but 1. it's not synced out to mirrors yet and 2. it doesn't fix the PackageKit deps. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:49:05] jreznik: +1, the SourceForge site sucks more with each redesign. :-( [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:49:06] jreznik: +1 :) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:50:10] not sure if that pkg is listed on the packaging wishlist wiki yet... I'll check after meeting, and add it if not. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:50:50] next impromptu topic: KDE4 for KDE3 users #fedora-classroom report. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:51:05] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-12-09 -- KDE4 #fedora-classroom session.". [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:51:19] Kevin_Kofler: how'd you think it went? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:51:38] * rdieter would have been happier with more participants, interaction, but can't complain. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:52:04] see also, http://rdieter.livejournal.com/10249.html , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom/KDE4forKDE3Users [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:52:12] Yeah, attendance was a bit low. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:52:31] I'm sure there are many more people with migration questions than those who attended. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:52:42] from all the spam... er, advertising I did, I'm surprised too. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:52:50] what about some migration FAQ? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:53:28] I was hoping to start a collection of such questions, but didn't get much at the session. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:54:03] user guide is too much work, with slow progress... so some few lines FAQ should be solution for now... I was hoping too about collecting Q from classrooom [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:55:05] I'd like to try to start doing these classroom sessions regularly, have at least 1 kde-related session per classroom, next scheduled Feb 7,8 [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:55:06] most questions from people - KDE 3.5 for F10, Folder View, Panel related questions (moving, resizing) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:55:24] rdieter: +1 [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:56:06] I'd like to help contribute at least some of our documentation efforts toward userbase.kde.org too. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:56:28] Perfect world, much of our fedora kde userguide would be links to userbase. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:56:30] Verlassen Matias_Arg hat den Kanal verlassen. [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:56:42] and we need VNC or some presentation technology - for desktop it's better than IRC only [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:57:01] nod, or get fancy and do some sort of webast like aseigo. :) [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:57:30] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-12-09 -- Open Discussion". [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:57:39] anything else to discuss today? [Di Dez 9 2008] [17:59:53] libmsn is building clean on my F10, so I have note to package it, if no new KDE SIG members will do it :) [Di Dez 9 2008] [18:00:10] Oh, I just fixed kdelibs for NTFS again (update went out in this push). [Di Dez 9 2008] [18:00:37] than: You dropped the NTFS workaround portion from the policykit-workaround, but it seems to be still needed. [Di Dez 9 2008] [18:01:02] I thought HAL was fixed, but no it wasn't, the problem still shows up on F9 and F10 according to dexter on the fedora-list. [Di Dez 9 2008] [18:01:25] So I restored the patch and pushed a kdelibs update to stable. [Di Dez 9 2008] [18:01:43] (It had to be slightly adjusted to apply to the new code.) [Di Dez 9 2008] [18:02:04] The Rawhide/4.2 version was correct in the first place (lvillani ported that one and he got it right), only 4.1.3 needed fixing. [Di Dez 9 2008] [18:02:35] Kevin_Kofler: confirmed, my local ntfs partitions isn't mounting atm. I'll test the new build (I hadn't noticed the breakage, don't use that very often) [Di Dez 9 2008] [18:02:45] Verlassen Matias_Arg hat den Kanal verlassen. [Di Dez 9 2008] [18:03:07] looks like time is up, let's end here [Di Dez 9 2008] [18:03:14] KDE SIG Meeting end