Mai 22 21:55:49 rdieter	will need keep things < 1 hr today, have FPB meeting immediately afterward (via phone this week).
Mai 22 21:56:28 rdieter	ping, who's present?  Kevin_Kofler, svahl (+anyone else)?
Mai 22 21:56:35 Kevin_Kofler	Present.
Mai 22 21:56:38 svahl	Present
Mai 22 21:56:45 rdieter	hi
Mai 22 21:57:33 rdieter	first off, for svahl, let me rehash what I said at the start of last meeting...
Mai 22 21:57:45 rdieter	... a short update from me wrt comaintership between than and I...
Mai 22 21:57:56 rdieter	it's been a rocky start, and we have our differences, but we're both adults...
Mai 22 21:58:03 rdieter	we're going to (try to) arrange a phone conference call soon, and we can hopefully get on the same page.
Mai 22 21:58:10 rdieter	the bigget item of contention was the introduction of kde-settings
Mai 22 21:58:19 rdieter	 we all had reservations, of course, than more so.
Mai 22 21:58:27 rdieter	he ended up reverting a few of my changes, but I didn't think it worth fighting over this late in the game, so let that go.
Mai 22 21:58:37 rdieter	end of drama, nothing to see here, move on. :)
Mai 22 21:58:51 rdieter	questions, comments?  (or other topics?)
Mai 22 21:58:56 svahl	ok. understood :)
Mai 22 21:59:03 svahl	was this in the first meeting today?
Mai 22 21:59:07 rdieter	yes
Mai 22 21:59:16 svahl	ok
Mai 22 21:59:45 Kevin_Kofler	Some news (I guess Rex already knows that): KDE 3.5.7 is out. Once again we're out of luck because this hits in our deep freeze.
Mai 22 22:00:01 Kevin_Kofler	So KDE will need a quick post-release update again, like in FC6.
Mai 22 22:00:03 svahl	And I've misunderstood you in #240684. I was meaning the locale. Timezone could be a us of course
Mai 22 22:00:18 XulChris	dont forget to fix the register utmp bug
Mai 22 22:00:22 rdieter	I asked rel-eng ahead of time if there was a possiblity of my being lynched for introducing kde-3.5.7.  answer: yes.  :)
Mai 22 22:00:43 XulChris	rdieter: even after f7 release?
Mai 22 22:00:53 rdieter	update is ok, just not f7-final
Mai 22 22:01:02 XulChris	sounds good
Mai 22 22:01:08 XulChris	dont forget to check that utmp bug :)
Mai 22 22:01:17 rdieter	it's fixed! (in f7 already)
Mai 22 22:01:25 Kevin_Kofler	I must say this makes sense, tagging and pushing to mirrors is going to happen very soon.
Mai 22 22:01:28 XulChris	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=213369
Mai 22 22:01:33 XulChris	rdieter: im talking about for f6
Mai 22 22:02:00 XulChris	f6 still has 7-8 months of life left :)
Mai 22 22:02:00 rdieter	right, fc6 kde-3.5.7 update includes the fix.
Mai 22 22:02:06 rdieter	or *will*.
Mai 22 22:03:03 rdieter	svahl, any news from livecd land?
Mai 22 22:03:54 svahl	no. it's stable no (*fingers crossed*). Have discovered too bugs (one of them was a blocker) and my scripst needed some updates (due to kde-settings-kdm)
Mai 22 22:03:58 svahl	no=now
Mai 22 22:04:08 svahl	too=two
Mai 22 22:04:17 svahl	oh. too tired I think *g*
Mai 22 22:04:23 jbarnes	it's too bad about 3.5.7 not hitting fc7 proper... there are lots of important fixes in there (thinking of kmail)
Mai 22 22:04:23 rdieter	good.  sorry about the locale thing, that was boneheaded.
Mai 22 22:04:47 svahl	it's fixed. so it's ok :)
Mai 22 22:05:06 rdieter	jbarnes: yeah, but seriously, *way* too late in the freeze.
Mai 22 22:05:31 wwoods	it can always be released as an update, right?
Mai 22 22:05:38 rdieter	absolutely.
Mai 22 22:06:04 rdieter	and it will.
Mai 22 22:07:33 Kevin_Kofler	Any chance you can get my KDE 3.90.1 packages built in the kde-redhat repo? Strigi is now in Fedora proper, so that makes one less thing to worry about.
Mai 22 22:08:10 rdieter	sure, just haven't had time, sorry.
Mai 22 22:08:25 Kevin_Kofler	Speaking of 3.90.1, I'm currently not building the optional RDF/Soprano/Konto/Nepomuk stuff.
Mai 22 22:08:42 Kevin_Kofler	Yet another pile of dependencies, only part of which is already in Fedora. :-(
Mai 22 22:08:50 rdieter	I assume there's a good reason for that? :)
Mai 22 22:08:58 rdieter	ah
Mai 22 22:09:12 rdieter	work never ends.
Mai 22 22:09:22 rdieter	so what are we (still) missing?
Mai 22 22:09:49 Kevin_Kofler	We have Raptor and Rasqal, we need librdf which depends on those two, and then Soprano which is essentially a Qt binding for that.
Mai 22 22:10:02 Kevin_Kofler	The remaining stuff is part of kdelibs, it just needs Soprano to build.
Mai 22 22:11:44 rdieter	add missing bits to wiki somewhere (to kde4 proposal?)
Mai 22 22:12:42 rdieter	Kevin_Kolfer: any work yet on packaging those missing parts?
Mai 22 22:13:06 rdieter	If not, I can get to work on it soon, stuff it into kde-redhat in the meantime until they get reviewed.
Mai 22 22:13:46 Kevin_Kofler	I haven't done anything on those yet.
Mai 22 22:13:59 rdieter	ok, np.
Mai 22 22:14:18 Kevin_Kofler	I just added a section to the F8KDE4Plan about this.
Mai 22 22:14:45 Kevin_Kofler	(By the way, it's likely that Nepomuk will start to be required by some stuff soon, just like Strigi is.)
Mai 22 22:14:54 rdieter	more the merrier.
Mai 22 22:14:58 Kevin_Kofler	(So we'll have to do this sooner or later even if it's optional now.)
Mai 22 22:15:23 rdieter	maybe we can get someone else to (help) (co)maintain it.
Mai 22 22:15:30 Kevin_Kofler	I'm a bit annoyed by the endless inflation of dependencies, and the kdewin32 folks are cursing at it. ;-)
Mai 22 22:16:19 rdieter	aint no free lunch.
Mai 22 22:16:32 XulChris	someone mention food?
Mai 22 22:16:40 rdieter	XulChris: what's with you and food? :)
Mai 22 22:16:48 XulChris	:P
Mai 22 22:16:57 *	rdieter points to the punch and pie over in the corner...
Mai 22 22:17:24 XulChris	im on a diet so im starving half the time ;-)
Mai 22 22:17:33 rdieter	ah, gotcha.
Mai 22 22:18:29 Kevin_Kofler	Hmmm, according to Koji, rasqal and raptor have different owners (thomasvs and green respectively), and if one of us is going to package redland/librdf (no idea what the canonical name should be, they're using both at the Redland project), that will make 3 different maintainers for a stack with the same upstream. :-(
Mai 22 22:19:00 rdieter	we should try to coordinate between them/us to comaintain the stack together, imo.
Mai 22 22:19:33 rdieter	we kinda did the same thing for libkipi, kipi-plugins, exiv2, libkexif, digikam, etc...
Mai 22 22:21:25 rdieter	Kevin_Kofler: would you be able to ping those folks (or I can do it, next week sometime).
Mai 22 22:21:50 rdieter	or even ask Than.
Mai 22 22:22:13 rdieter	I'm sure he has plans/ideas, we just haven't heard them (yet).
Mai 22 22:23:00 Kevin_Kofler	redland already has a review request:
Mai 22 22:23:01 Kevin_Kofler	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=195647
Mai 22 22:23:08 rdieter	suh-weet.
Mai 22 22:23:42 Kevin_Kofler	It's a bit slow-going though for my tastes, we need it faster than that!
Mai 22 22:24:09 rdieter	I'll see about kicking the review in the arse.
Mai 22 22:25:03 Kevin_Kofler	The submitter is Thomas Vander Stichele, who also maintains rasqal.
Mai 22 22:26:33 rdieter	anything else for today?  (I need to run soon).
Mai 22 22:26:41 svahl	webbased release notes?
Mai 22 22:26:57 rdieter	the fact that we need some?  :)
Mai 22 22:27:03 svahl	maybe :)
Mai 22 22:27:23 rdieter	you up to putting in what you have so far?
Mai 22 22:27:26 svahl	I've posted my proposal from last week to fedora-docs-list (only livecd)
Mai 22 22:28:02 svahl	so yes
Mai 22 22:28:14 rdieter	I'd say "just do it" then.
Mai 22 22:28:34 svahl	is there something for the rest of kde to mention?
Mai 22 22:29:13 rdieter	probably, I'll see if I can add some mention of kde-settings/kiosktool soon (unless someone beats me to it).
Mai 22 22:29:20 svahl	maybe crystalsvg, konqueror on kicker (instead of firefox)
Mai 22 22:29:30 *	rdieter nods
Mai 22 22:30:14 rdieter	I've gotta run, go on without me (but someone needs to grab the irc log for posting).  thanks all.
Mai 22 22:30:24 *	svahl will do that
Mai 22 22:30:29 rdieter	thanks.
Mai 22 22:30:42 svahl	FYI: I will not be here next (Linuxtag)
Mai 22 22:30:46 svahl	week
Mai 22 22:30:51 Kevin_Kofler	Oh, if you mention the icon theme change, also mention that Bluecurve is still there for those who want to use it.
Mai 22 22:31:30 svahl	ah. don't know the exact time, but AFAIK deadline is May 30
Mai 22 22:31:48 Kevin_Kofler	Speaking of that, you know what's stupid: that they decided to do their own Linux days here in Vienna exactly the same days as the big LinuxTag in Berlin. That means practically nobody will come here and makes it a completely pointless event. :-(
Mai 22 22:31:48 rdieter	Bluecurve isn't on the livecd, afaik (it's in redhat-artwork, we only include redhat-artwork-kde)
Mai 22 22:32:06 rdieter	ok, really going now... :)
Mai 22 22:32:49 svahl	should be there AFAIR (will have a look)
Mai 22 22:33:18 svahl	jep. redhat-artwork is included
Mai 22 22:33:19 rdieter_away	it's there, sorry (but it doesn't *have* to be)
Mai 22 22:35:11 svahl	It seems that the meeting is closed *g*