[15:00] KDE SIG meeting imminent, yell if present. :) [15:01] hi [15:01] * rdieter hands out the free punch and pie. [15:02] im here [15:02] ok, you folks have anything you want to discuss today? [15:03] ya i looked at kde-settings and there were a lot of rpmlint warnings :(, i know i can ignore those, but as a reviewer i have to go through each one and try and explain why we should ignore them. I think this should be packagers duty, i know there were probably a couple that could be fixed [15:04] so all thsoe rpmlint warnings kinda put me off on the review :/ [15:04] fair nuf, anything other than %config /usr/share/config barf'ings? [15:05] rdieter: well i just looked really breifely they all look like false postive warnings except the dangerous commandin pre/post which I think can just be fixed by using %{_mv} instead of mv [15:05] but if you could just summarize the rpmlint warnings and why they should be ignored it would help [15:05] ok mv vs. %{_mv} is harmless, I have to problem with changing that. [15:05] for the rpmlint errors, they too should be documented somewhere in teh spec with a comment at minimum [15:06] XulChris: arg, see this is one reason why I argued against the packaging guideline wrt %config /usr, *every* kde app currently violates it. [15:06] I/we shouldn't have to re-hash that in *every* review. [15:06] its just ive done over 60 reviews and the more the packager can make it easier on the revierer the better, nobody likes doing reviews and every packager wants their package reviewed [15:07] rdieter: ya but i was amazed there was no bug filed for it [15:07] XulChris: it's an issue with kdelibs. [15:07] XulChris: we only recently passed the guideline. :) [15:07] oh [15:07] well if its a recent guideline that explains it [15:08] I asked for a kde-exception, but that didn't go over too well. [15:08] heh [15:08] so, we're stuck with the status-quo. [15:08] well it seems easy enough to fix anyway [15:08] well, kinda-sorta, but it's not quite that simple. [15:09] I promised to file the bug against kdelibs, and I will soon, promise. [15:09] ok thats all i need, just something documented i can refernce [15:09] then we can refer to that parent bug, whenever a reviewer has issues/questions regarding that. [15:09] ya [15:09] anything else? [15:10] im also still waiting on python-spambayes to be approved, when is the latest we can get that into the f7 spin? [15:10] XulChris: final-freeze. :) [15:10] hmm whens that, like a couple weeks? [15:11] XulChris: don't worry, it'll make it. We just need it reviewed/built. [15:11] ok ill ping the reviewer, last i checked everything was fine so it should be no problem hopefully [15:11] thats all i have [15:12] XulChris: if they're not responsive, I'll find time to wrap up the review, if needed. [15:12] svahl, than: any news, comments? [15:12] not for this point [15:13] than: package splits? kdeutils still needs to omit klaptop: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237654 [15:13] but it would be good if you ping me when package is included in extras so i can change gdm-> kdm again [15:13] svahl: kdm is still pretty broken, may not happen soon, but you never know. [15:14] ok. [15:14] you've said last week that than is working on the split? [15:15] svahl: he said he was, yes. [15:15] ok [15:16] rdieter: when is the new kde release coming? [15:16] im still waiting on that konsole not registering utmp thing :( [15:16] XulChris: hrm, ~7-10 days'ish [15:16] ok cool [15:17] crazy idea: what can we do to get more folks interested in our KDE SIG? [15:17] (more of a xrazy question) [15:17] rdieter: put something in the release notes for the kde spin [15:17] don't know. atm I'm thinking we are the only ones that uses kde :( [15:18] i think once the kde spin is out more people will start using it [15:18] svahl: I know there a *lots* of kde users (besides us), but how to get them involved, and giving more feedback? [15:18] XulChris: I was kinda hoping to get the involvement to happen *before* F7 is released, but afterwards is good too, of course. [15:19] rdieter: add something to your sig and make lots of fedora forum.org posts [15:19] XulChris: that's a point we've forgotten to discuss last week: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Desktop [15:19] maybe folks don't know that we want/need help? [15:20] svahl: true, kde-docs are sorely lacking, as has been pointed out several times. [15:20] rdieter: maybe just an annoucement that we need help on the fedora-devel mailing list would get a couple people here before F7, but we need other longer term plans to bring people in [15:20] * rdieter nods. [15:21] XulChris: are you volunteering? (else, I could do it...) :) [15:21] in the wiki there are ~10 people in kde sig. maybe someone is thinking that this would be enough [15:21] rdieter: go for it :) [15:22] svalhl: re: docs, part of why we need more bodies/help. [15:22] oh yes :) [15:23] Alright, I'll do the blog, ml postings asking for help... any other ideas? [15:24] kde-firstboot that brings up a dialog box with links in the kde spin? [15:24] maybe a call for testing in fedoraforum.org? [15:24] rdieter: or how about setting the konqueror home page to kde sig or something :) [15:25] svahl: good idea, you interested in doing that one? [15:26] ok. I will write a post when test4 arrives [15:26] XulChris: interesting, but docs/release notes should cover those cases. [15:26] rdieter: ya do we have something in the release notes? [15:26] XulChris: sadly, no, that's part of our problem. [15:27] Rahul asked on the -docs list for kde contributions to docs, but I haven't seen (much) movement on that. [15:27] maybe we could add bookmarks to kde sig and other wiki pages on the spin? [15:28] XulChris: sure, but where? outside of docs/release notes? [15:28] rdieter: does the spin only use konqeror or firefox too? [15:29] Well, once kde-settings is in, we can configure akregator to be preconfigured for kde blogs, etc... [15:29] konq only [15:30] ya thats fine, just add some default bookmarks to konqeror and then also in the menu have something that lists those bookmarks [15:30] and we can make a "getting involved" page for people interested in kde [15:31] but i guess that is what the sig page is [15:31] cool, I like those ideas. [15:31] afk 2ish min... [15:34] If someone has an idea how to handle this, please let me know :) https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01034.html [15:34] but I don't think this will get ready before f7 [15:35] we should note that you dont have to be a packager to show up at the irc meetings :) [15:35] yes, don't fear them :) [15:35] we have both a kde-cd and kde-dvd right? [15:36] atm only a cd. the dvd kickstart is in git but not testet by anybody than myself yet [15:36] rdieter: any news on the x86_64 kde livedvd? [15:37] svahl: there is plenty of room to add locales to the dvd correct? [15:37] [Notify] tibbs went offline (irc.freenode.org). [15:37] yes (3 gigs) [15:38] but we should consider not to blew the dvd up too much. Every package on the dvd would also be installed during hdd installation [15:38] oh? [15:38] that sucks [15:38] its all or nothing? [15:38] the actual version is 1100 megs with normal cd content +koffice-langpack-* and kde-i18n [15:39] right [15:40] hmm no advanced install where you can choose packages? i need to take a look at it i guess [15:40] that seems rather limited [15:41] on the livecd anaconda don't let you choose your packages. It just writes the live content to hdd [15:41] [Error] is: Unknown command. [15:41] ok well we eventually plan on making an actual spin too correct? [15:41] * rdieter is back... [15:41] XulChris: actual = usual/classic spin, for now, no. [15:42] rdieter: not for f7 but its part of our goal for f8 is it not? [15:42] XulChris: f8 sure/maybe, haven't thought that far yet. :) [15:43] maybe by then, there will only be "1 true everything" spin. :) [15:43] well it seems to me localization should be handled with a "spin" and not a "livecd" [15:43] XulChris: sure, kinda sorta, but who really cares if there's a few extra MB's of packages installed? [15:44] rdieter: i guess, whats the status on the x86_64 dvd? [15:45] re x86_64 dvd, good question, I think jeremy said he would try to make one for f7t4. [15:46] ok well i need to get going soon, these kde meetings always take up the full hour :) [15:47] I need to go soon too. [15:47] anything else juicy, or should we call it quits for today? [15:47] rdieter: was there anything from the earlier meeting? [15:48] XulChris: nope, I missed it (too, was at another appointment) [15:48] just a suggestion: f7 will be released in 4-5 weeks. maybe we should meet twice a week? [15:48] svahl: I agree, lemme think about that. maybe I'll include that in my "we need help" announcement. [15:48] svahl: well im usually online in #fedora-devel [15:50] me too. but in a meeting there wouldn't be so much noise :) [15:50] rdieter: is sometimes harder to find on irc ;-) [15:50] fyi, we may need to move the earlier meeting, FPC might be interested in meeting then (I said we were flexible) [15:50] rdieter: np, im flexible too [15:51] np. I'm sleeping that time :) [15:51] ok, meeting adjourned, thanks.