[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:06:47] ok, KDE SIG meeting start: who's present today? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:07:00] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- Init". [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:07:06] Present (sorta)... [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:07:16] present [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:07:23] present [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:08:32] ltinkl, than, kde*foo: ping [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:08:39] yup, here [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:08:49] present [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:09:08] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- kde-4.1.3 update". [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:09:30] ok, topic: kde-4.1.3 update. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:09:37] KDE 4.1.3 for F9 present in testing [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:09:45] pushed already? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:09:49] or just submitted? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:09:53] submitted [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:02] i think it's time to build KDE-4.1.3 in f10-update [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:07] than: +1 [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:31] any volunteers to work on that? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:32] i will commit KDE-4.1.3 stuff in F10 today [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:35] (http://tinyurl.com/kde413f9) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:44] where will the bugfixes for kde-4.1.2 went then? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:54] i have kdelibs-* and ldebase-* 4.1.3 running here (grabbed from koji) fine [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:11:04] rdieter: 4.1.3 is queued for testing in the next push. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:11:07] ok, shouldn't be hard, syncing with F-9 branch should be most of the work [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:11:35] svahl: you mean you have a concern that recent fixes to 4.1.2 builds may get lost? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:11:59] shouldn't be a problem, I *think* most/all of the recent ones were 4.1.3 backports/patches [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:12:15] so no more updates to 4.1.2? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:12:18] yes. or do you setup a different branch in cvs? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:12:54] jreznik: I'd say no, focus on 4.1.3 now (unless any serious F-10 blockers remain to be fixed) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:13:00] svahl: no, we uses the F10 branch for 4.1.3 [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:14:31] sounds like we have a plan to move forward with F-10/4.1.3, any other comments here? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:14:49] than: ok. so F-10 blockers could still be fixed? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:15:05] when is 4.1.3 sheduled for F10? immediately after release? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:15:17] jreznik: when it's ready. :) (ie, asap) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:15:39] rdieter: as an update or directly as part of the release? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:15:43] update [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:15:46] k [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:15:58] we decided that last week. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:16:36] things may change with delaying F10 but I'm fine with it :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:16:52] ok, let's move on to next topic: desktop user guide, jreznik? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:17:05] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- desktop user guide". [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:17:11] first draft - based on desktop user guide [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:17:19] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KDE/Docs/DesktopUserGuide [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:17:23] jreznik: available somewhere? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:17:43] there is basic structure, now we have to write it :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:18:01] even gnome desktop guide is for fc 6, so very outdated... [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:18:09] jreznik: how about reusing parts of the KDE docu itself: [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:18:22] should me more uptodate [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:18:44] ltinkl: it's inspiration for me :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:18:48] :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:19:05] For 4.1.3, IMHO a 0-day update is best. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:19:09] Let the F9 folks test it. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:19:18] Then push to stable for both on F10 release day. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:19:37] Kevin_Kofler: it's fine with me [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:20:39] so rdieter and svahl volunteered few meetings ago and every help is welcomed... to have DUG on time for release [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:21:37] ouch, so I did, how about we devide up who does what after meeting? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:21:45] +1 [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:22:22] no problem [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:23:09] i can get the rest of 4.1.3 as well (won't be there from 12-2 though, logs will run though) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:23:23] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- backports (systray, etc...)". [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:23:41] next topic: backports, systray in particular. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:24:03] jreznik? you were interested in this? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:24:28] systray - I tried to build it with my patches but it's crashing with missing symbol... there are changes to plasma library [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:05] even with patched one it was complaining... [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:17] one new signal [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:23] wait for 4.2 then? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:25] and one new overloaded method [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:42] or did you want to keep trying? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:42] rdieter: yes, we should wait for 4.2 [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:50] ok [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:26:06] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- possible kde spin additions". [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:26:11] next topic: spin additions [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:26:21] but still I'd like to try it... but I'm not sure... there are several problems with autohide backport so it's enough [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:26:34] svahl: assuming we have any space? :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:26:56] jreznik: Uh, what problems with autohide? I'm not aware of any... [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:27:09] yes, currently the spins are at 678 megs (i386) and 683 megs (x86_64) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:27:19] I overheard folks on #fedora-devel yesterday contemplating a pygtk port of liveucb-creator to put on desktop/gnome spin, so I thought we could consider it for the kde spin. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:27:30] Kevin_Kofler: with virtual desktops... [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:27:39] We already have liveusb-creator on the current KDE spin! [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:27:44] rdieter: it's already on the spin :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:28:07] kushal has requested it some weeks ago [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:28:21] oh? nevermind. :) I guess I was looking at it from the "making it default for kde-desktop in comps" pov. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:28:35] liveusb-creator isn't in comps [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:29:13] alright, let's move on then [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:29:57] let's skip ahead to bugs, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=469452 [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:29:58] Bug 469452: high, high, ---, than@redhat.com, ASSIGNED, akgegator crashs on startup with an imported feeds.opml [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:30:15] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- akregator crash (bug #469452)". [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:30:33] and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=471022 [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:30:34] Bug 471022: low, medium, ---, jreznik@redhat.com, ASSIGNED, Can't hide akregator by clicking systray icon [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:30:54] from what I can tell, these are both fixed in 4.1.3, so getting out the update should fix these for free. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:31:11] Hmmm, should we rush out a kdepim 4.1.2 with akregator from 4.1.3 patched in? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:31:14] rdieter: 471022 is one liner, but fixed in 4.1.3 [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:31:17] Should be low risk. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:31:20] according to upstream the first bug is fixed by upstream: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=469452#c6 [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:31:21] Bug 469452: high, high, ---, than@redhat.com, ASSIGNED, akgegator crashs on startup with an imported feeds.opml [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:31:57] jreznik: you did a patched build, yes? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:32:14] rdieter: yes, it's working well [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:32:27] if we want to use it, I can commit it [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:32:48] oh, just a scratch build? yes, commit, and we can get that tagged for f10-final [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:33:14] fixing crashers is worth it [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:33:40] definitely [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:34:12] just a scratch build to test it... so I can commit it... and we found another akregator bug, I have to look to KDE bugs for it... [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:34:42] jreznik: the other one isn't critical, I wouldn't worry too much, unless the fix is trivial [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:35:50] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- upcomign events FUDCon11 (Jan 9-11), CampKDE (Jan 17-23)". [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:36:02] now I have only patch for second one - 471022, I can take a look to 469452 - it is crash... to push it together to f11-final [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:36:21] jreznik: f10-final? :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:36:39] Betreten racor hat den Kanal betreten (n=rc040203@HSI-KBW-078-043-127-065.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de). [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:36:57] f10 :))) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:37:00] jreznik: my mistake, I thought you had the crasher fixed first. ok. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:37:13] next topic: upcoming events FUDCon11 (Jan 9-11), CampKDE (Jan 17-23) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:37:18] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- upcoming events FUDCon11 (Jan 9-11), CampKDE (Jan 17-23)". [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:37:33] anyone thinking of attending either of these? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:02] I was guessing no, but felt obligated to ask. :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:05] far, far away :( [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:12] Same here... [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:18] and here [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:20] yup, otherwise campkde in Jamaica sounds cool :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:46] Jamaica sounds very cool! [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:52] jreznik: What do you think of my idea to use all of akregator from 4.1.3? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:59] Don't think there's much chance of me doing both, and staying married... even one is a long-shot, but I'm willing to try for a beach. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:39:01] Should fix both bugs, unless they're in the libs. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:08] Kevin_Kofler: hmm, but only if it is lib independent... [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:18] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- open discussion". [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:29] But if you can figure out the fix from the crash bug, that's even better. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:31] that's it for the agenda. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:39] s/from/for/ [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:43] Kevin_Kofler: according to the websvn diffs, the changes are all in /kdepim/akregator/src [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:53] * nirik has a quick thing to toss in if it's open floor time. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:55] may break more than actually solves... but I'll try it tomorrow [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:41:31] nirik: go ahead. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:42:00] As some of you may know, we have started offering IRC classes on various topics... see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Classroom. If there are any KDE folks who want to give KDE related classes that would be great! :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:42:59] another one conference - LinuxAlt, took place last weekend here in Brno and rvokal was talking about Fedora 10 - we were mentioned and there was screencast of solar-kde-theme :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:43:01] nirik: I've been thinking about doing just that myself... maybe once the excitement leading up to f10 wears down, can find some more time. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:43:11] nirik: sounds good [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:43:39] great, Just thought I would throw it out there... kde4 for kde3 users, or tour of new kde features type things might be most welcome. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:45:00] thats all, just thought I would mention it. ;) carry on. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:45:12] nirik: so just add a session to an open slot in the wiki? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:45:26] yep. On whatever topic you care to teach. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:46:09] awesome idea, the classroom thing... by the way. I've poked in on a couple, seems to be quite popular and productive. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:46:34] how to drink beer! it's class for me ;) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:46:56] * rdieter pencils in jreznik for ... what time works best? :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:46:57] jreznik: I could do one on how to make beer, but I don't guess it's too fedora related. ;) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:50:43] I have also thought that a KDE 4 for KDE 3 users session can be useful when I read the blog posts about the IRC classes. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:51:13] But I think somebody with more KDE 4 experience than me will be a better teacher. :-) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:51:20] heck, holding something like that, esp with >1 of us kde-sig'ers there at a time should be easy [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:51:22] I just recently upgraded my primary machine to KDE 4. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:51:47] Having several of us hold it together would work well, I think. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:52:46] and would be nice to broadcast VNC with KDE desktop [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:52:56] ok, next sessions or Dec 6,7, any times work better for folks here? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:53:11] I could probably do almost any of those. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:53:33] open slots include: 12:15 UTC, 13:30 UTC, 14:45 UTC [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:53:48] Oh, and jreznik, if you can get those autohide problems reported to me, that would be helpful. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:54:05] The virtual desktop issues I was aware of were reported fixed with the current builds. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:54:05] Dec 6, 7 = Sat, Sun by the way [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:54:23] * ltinkl looks at jreznik and Kevin_Kofler, remembering FUDcon joint presentation :)) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:54:47] Saturday and Sunday should be fine all day. [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:55:27] Well, maybe pick the 14:45 UTC slot, I'm more likely to be awake later than earlier. ^^ [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:55:38] :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:55:55] 14:45 Sat then? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:56:20] ltinkl: joint? we were smoking weeds? :) I don't remember :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:56:25] LOL [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:56:28] rdieter: ok for me [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:56:30] ehm :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:57:00] alright, so who's planning on being there? Kevin_Kofler , me (probably), anyone else? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:57:10] jreznik: you too? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:57:27] rdieter: I can stop by if time permits [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:57:38] cool, more the merrier [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:57:47] * jreznik too [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:57:48] I'll be there. (Hopefully I won't forget. :-) ) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:58:00] yes, I need some notification :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:58:18] title: "KDE4 for KDE3 users" sound ok? [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:58:36] and I hope it will be class for more people than Kevin_Kofler :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:58:45] :)) [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:58:59] than and Kevin_Kofler, that's too :p [Di Nov 11 2008] [17:59:32] two even :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [18:01:12] :) [Di Nov 11 2008] [18:01:28] ok, session added. [Di Nov 11 2008] [18:01:41] times up anyway, so let's wrap up for today. thanks everyone. [Di Nov 11 2008] [18:01:44] KDE SIG meeting end [Di Nov 11 2008] [18:01:54] rdieter: Title OK. :-) [Di Nov 11 2008] [18:02:10] Thema rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule". [Di Nov 11 2008] [18:02:26] if attendance is low, we'll have to come up with a sexier title next time [Di Nov 11 2008] [18:02:59] rdieter: +1 [Di Nov 11 2008] [18:03:09] KDE for playboys :)