[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:05:28] Topic rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- Init". [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:05:34] kde sig meeting start, who's present today? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:05:45] Present. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:06:07] * poelcat lurking [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:06:12] * ltinkl is here [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:06:18] * jreznik is here and there and somewhere :) [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:06:19] * SMParrish here [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:06:37] present [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:07:18] ok, initially, look over https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03#Agenda , anything to add for today? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:07:20] Part JStizzle has left this channel. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:07:22] Topic rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- Agenda". [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:07:35] Join jeremy has joined this channel (n=katzj@nat/redhat/x-54c6f48aa13be081). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:07:39] I just added the alleged Dolphin security issue somebody reported to kde-devel with a patch. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:08:22] Part yunustj has left this channel ("Leaving"). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:08:41] rdieter: KDE 4.2.1 [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:08:45] rdieter: Qt 4.5 [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:08:52] rdieter: QtCreator packaging [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:10:00] ok, that's enough for now, topic: KDE 4.2 feature status [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:10:06] Topic rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- kde 4.2 feature status". [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:10:27] CVS is updated to 4.2.1, I'm currently in the middle of building the packages [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:10:29] that includes updates on policykit-kde, networkmanager applet, faster startup [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:10:39] PolicyKit-kde should now be working in the live image, it may need a -PolicyKit-gnome in the kickstart though. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:10:52] The hardcoded deps on PolicyKit-gnome have been fixed. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:11:06] We'd still like D-Bus to be fixed to work properly if both are installed. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:11:13] But at least on the live image it should be working. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:11:57] so we can let it be part of feature [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:12:05] Right. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:12:25] Part mprice has left this channel ("WeeChat 0.2.6"). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:12:54] kde-plasma-networkmanager is now available in Rawhide and obsoletes the old KDE 3 knetworkmanager. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:13] Join dash123 has joined this channel (i=dce36163@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eb83503759677f00). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:13] I tried current package in rawhide but it's unusable [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:22] no way to set up WEP key [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:26] But I haven't done any testing whether it's suitable as a default at this point or whether it will be when F11 releases. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:32] any objections to may snagging it and building for f10 in kde-redhat/unstable (sans the Obsoletes probably) [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:41] but latest SVN build is better - I can connect to WEP network [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:46] The Obsoletes is conditionalized already. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:53] and I don't have layout problems anymore [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:56] jreznik: Then we should update our package. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:14:09] Once we did, rdieter can build it for kde-redhat unstable. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:14:13] * rdieter will wait for pkg update, then snag. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:14:27] But still I can't connect to VPN :( [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:14:52] Do you have the appropriate subpackage (-openvpn or -vpnc) installed? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:04] Join MathStuf has joined this channel (n=MathStuf@rattata-18.dynamic.rpi.edu). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:19] yay distractions [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:24] * MathStuf closes akregator [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:31] Kevin_Kofler: yes, I have configured it, I can see it in plasmoid but when I click on it, doesn't work [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:36] MathStuf: [10:13] I tried current package in rawhide but it's unusable... no way to set up WEP key [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:41] [10:13] but latest SVN build is better - I can connect to WEP network [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:42] hmm [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:50] [10:13] jreznik: Then we should update our package. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:55] ok, I'll respin the tarball [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:59] :) th [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:16:00] thx [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:16:24] anything on faster startup? than? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:16:41] problem was - when I select not Passphrase but Hex from list, it didn't save this selection so it was trying hex key as passphrase [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:17:39] jreznik: when issues are found, file bugs and/or ping wstephensen [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:17:56] and last think I don't like on new nm-plasmoid - you don't know what's happening... it's minor problem... [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:18:12] rdieter, it's a bit faster, about 10 seconds faster, i'm still working on it [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:18:20] rdieter: it's already fixed but I have to investigate why it doesn't connect to VPN [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:18:27] What did you do to speed it up so far? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:18:49] I have rawhide on my EEE currently, not a big win D: [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:19:13] It's a bid sad to have 20 second system startup followed by minutes of KDE startup. :-( [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:19:14] respun tarball; r934706 20090302 [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:19:15] 10 seconds is a _lot_ faster I'd say :) [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:19:27] disable some services [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:19:40] improve update scripts [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:20:00] that are started by first time [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:20:16] hmm, my KDE starts in about ~10 seconds, where did you take those "minutes" :) [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:20:30] Part poelcat has left this channel. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:20:40] ltinkl, if you start kde first time it will take long [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:20:49] Kevin_Kofler: I don't believe 20 sec, from testing day it's much worst... [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:20:53] than: kbuildsycoca [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:21:00] first run is not a problem [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:21:13] Quit ggruener has left this server ("Verlassend"). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:21:17] jreznik, it#s a problem [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:21:24] Well, on the live CD it's always a "first run". [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:21:32] ah, live CD [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:21:34] the update scripts will start [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:21:41] and takes times [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:22:15] Quit valente has left this server ("Leaving."). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:22:17] many config files will be created [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:22:28] than: mind posting details to fedora-kde ? status... work done so far, todo's, where help is needed, etc? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:22:30] Can't we somehow pre-run them on the live CD? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:22:55] Kevin_Kofler: +1, that should be part of the investigation surely [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:23:05] good idea [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:23:18] Join kirkz has joined this channel (n=kirk202@71-219-108-3.slkc.qwest.net). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:23:20] ok i can do [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:23:42] OK, can we move on? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:23:47] let's move on, we can delve into more juicy details after meeting. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:23:56] Topic rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- Qt 4.5". [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:24:20] good news, qt-4.5.0 (final) released today, built in rawhide. announcement sent wrt licensing change. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:24:46] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-March/msg00003.html [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:24:46] Join kital has joined this channel (n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:24:49] Any timeline for F9/F10 updates yet? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:25:21] when we're confident that kde-4.2.x/qt-4.5.x combo is sane, and fairly regression-free. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:25:44] one blocker is PyQt4, current iteration of the pkg doesn't build against qt-4.5 [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:25:57] i will say qt-4.5.x with kde-4.2.2 for F10/F9 [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:26:10] but I'd expect that now qt-4.5 is released, and upstream fix will come soon [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:26:21] Hopefully there'll be a PyQt4 4.5 now that Qt 4.5 is official. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:26:22] than: nod, a reasonable target [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:26:33] Also including bindings for the new APIs. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:27:33] moving on... KDE 4.2.1 status. than? ltinkl ? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:27:39] Topic rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- KDE 4.2.1". [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:27:55] CVS is updated to 4.2.1, I'm currently in the middle of building the packages [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:28:26] Great! Especially Kompare will benefit a lot from 4.2.1. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:28:38] 4.2.1 is complete built for rawhide [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:28:38] Bruggie and I did a massive round of bugfixing. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:28:58] yeah, i saw it in rawhide [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:29:02] (4.2.1) [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:29:28] Join c4chris has joined this channel (n=chris@ludwig-alpha.unil.ch). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:29:31] nothing blatent, but its also not my main machine (with the desktop available) -- spring break will be fun :) [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:30:10] anything extragear related need updating too? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:31:02] looks like 4.2.1 src dir on ktown includes only core kde components [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:31:09] Quit fab has left this server ("Leaving"). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:31:20] Extragear tarballs are usually made a few days later. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:32:07] any status on the dolphin location bar fix? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:32:31] You mean the alleged "security issue"? That's the next topic. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:32:53] Well, actually Qt Creator is listed before it on the agenda. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:32:55] ah, i see the list :) [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:33:30] fyi: respin of k-p-nm builds fine, uploading tarball [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:33:39] rdieter: I think we're done with 4.2.1, next topic please. :-) [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:34:45] alrighty... next topic: QtCreator packaging [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:34:52] Topic rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- QtCreator packaging". [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:35:07] ltinkl: a wishlist item or are you working on it? :) [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:35:11] Join inode0 has joined this channel (n=inode0@fedora/inode0). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:35:34] rdieter: I'd like to have it packaged, so yes, I'm gonna get my hands dirty with this beast [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:35:37] :) [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:36:17] sounds good, doubt there's much else to discuss then. is there? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:36:45] ltinkl: I can help you with review [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:37:02] jreznik: thx :) [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:37:05] Topic rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- Alleged Dolphin security issue , http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.general/56967". [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:37:11] moving on: Alleged Dolphin security issue , http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.general/56967 [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:37:14] * ltinkl really likes qtcreator [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:37:51] So somebody reported an alleged "security issue" to the public kde-devel mailing list, with a patch. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:38:21] The issue is that if you enter a URL which is not handled by Dolphin, it doesn't properly escape shell metacharacters when passing it on to Konqueror. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:38:43] While we should take it seriously, I'd feel better waiting until hearing on official statement from kde-security [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:38:44] AFAICT you have to enter the offending URL manually to cause this. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:38:50] Quit dash123 has left this server ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:40:06] MathStuf made an improved version of the patch which doesn't use deprecated functions. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:40:59] Quit kital has left this server (Remote closed the connection). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:41:44] Join dash123 has joined this channel (i=d2d43dfb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-65ae49e62ebede39). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:41:54] hrm... a complication is, sure we'll include a fix in kde-4.2.1, but is it worth trying to spin a quick (straight to stable) update for 4.2.0 too? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:42:22] Join hpachas-PE has joined this channel (n=hpachas@200.37.120.18). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:42:25] if it requires a manual url, seems to me it's not highly urgent [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:42:32] not needed imo [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:42:33] agreed [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:42:49] has someome already informed kde-security team ? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:43:06] than: unclear [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:43:21] in this case we should wait [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:43:43] first inform the kde-security team [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:43:53] Join pingou has joined this channel (n=Pingou@fedora/pingou). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:43:57] Join kital has joined this channel (n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:44:25] agreed., let's move on... [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:45:11] Quit kital has left this server (Remote closed the connection). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:45:23] last 2 items, are event-related: Communicate/IRC/Classroom KDE Sessions anyone?, FUDConBerlin2009 [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:45:34] Topic rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- Communicate/IRC/Classroom KDE Sessions anyone?, FUDConBerlin2009". [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:45:55] anyone interested in leading kde-related sessions for fedora classroom this weekend? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:46:54] rdieter: any idea for program? not only chat as last time [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:46:55] and/or anyone with plans for FUDConBerlin2009 yet? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:47:39] Quit themayor has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:47:54] jreznik: no ideas yet, I'll followup on fedora-kde list after meeting, brainstorming, soliciting ideas or feedback. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:47:54] and/or Akademy... it's in same time I think... for me it's one or other... [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:48:23] jreznik: it's close: FUDCon Jun 26-28, Akademy, Jul 3-11 [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:48:50] I'm still hoping for a miracle and a way to be able to attend both. It's starting look lucky if I'll be able to do one [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:48:52] Quit nphilipp has left this server ("Leaving"). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:48:54] Join j-rod has joined this channel (n=j-rod@static-72-93-233-3.bstnma.fios.verizon.net). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:49:38] No plans for FUDCon Berlin yet, I may or may not be going there. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:49:53] personally, I think FUDCon would be the more productive of the 2, though akademy may be more pleasureable. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:50:57] sounds like it's still up in the air... I'll take these 2 events to the list as well. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:00] Join Rathann has joined this channel (n=rathann@fedora/rathann). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:07] Topic rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- open discussion". [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:11] anything else for today? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:18] I probably won't be able to attend either of them [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:21] status?: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487622 [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:23] Bug 487622: medium, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, Designer plugins for KDE widgets is in -devel package [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:33] rdieter: it depend on budget :) as everything :D still in air [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:47] MathStuf: ah, thx... [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:57] Join linuxguru has joined this channel (n=linuxgur@unaffiliated/linuxguru). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:52:15] that bug highlights that the designer plugins need to be moved from -devel to runtime pkgs [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:52:27] Join tkjacobsen has joined this channel (n=tkjacobs@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:52:57] than, ltinkl : can you fold those changes in with kde-4.2.1 updates? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:53:09] Join che_ has joined this channel (n=che@redhat/che). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:53:28] if you guys don't have the time, I start working on it too over the next few days [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:53:32] rdieter, i wil do [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:53:37] Join JSchmitt has joined this channel (n=s4504kr@p4FDD1B7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:54:01] than: thanks [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:54:46] oh, new k-p-nm is done: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1217352 [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:54:56] Quit dash123 has left this server ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:55:21] MathStuf: great! [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:55:21] fyi, got f10 qt-4.5.0-1 builds done, pushing to kde-redhat/unstable now. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:55:25] new phonon as well: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1217372 [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:56:40] anything else? otherwise, we can end the meeting [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:57:04] Join themayor has joined this channel (n=jack@ool-18b8c9c9.dyn.optonline.net). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:57:09] 30 [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:57:22] 15 [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:57:22] * MathStuf sees nothing in his buglist [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:57:41] end meeting, thanks all. [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:57:45] Part MathStuf has left this channel ("Failure: Success!"). [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:57:51] who wants to be the log bot today? [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:58:12] * jreznik is log bot [Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:58:32] all hail the log bot.