Aug 18 16:01:50 rdieter #startmeeting KDE SIG -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-08-18 Aug 18 16:01:51 zodbot` Meeting started Tue Aug 18 14:01:46 2009 UTC. The chair is rdieter. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. Aug 18 16:01:51 zodbot` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. Aug 18 16:01:51 * zodbot` hat das Thema geändert zu: (Meeting topic: KDE SIG -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-08-18) Aug 18 16:02:08 rdieter #topic Roll Call Aug 18 16:02:09 * zodbot` hat das Thema geändert zu: Roll Call (Meeting topic: KDE SIG -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-08-18) Aug 18 16:02:12 rdieter who's present today? Aug 18 16:02:16 svahl present Aug 18 16:02:48 * ltinkl is here Aug 18 16:03:02 Kevin_Kofler Present- Aug 18 16:03:09 than present Aug 18 16:03:17 rdieter jreznik : ping Aug 18 16:03:27 * jreznik is here Aug 18 16:03:39 rdieter woo Aug 18 16:03:56 rdieter #topic add yum-presto to KDE live images as default? (see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-August/msg00932.html) Aug 18 16:03:58 * zodbot` hat das Thema geändert zu: add yum-presto to KDE live images as default? (see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-August/msg00932.html) (Meeting topic: KDE SIG -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-08-18) Aug 18 16:04:00 * SMParrish here Aug 18 16:04:06 * ltinkl thought for a while jreznik was playing ping-pong :D Aug 18 16:04:31 Kevin_Kofler +1 to yum-presto, in fact I was the one who suggested doing that even for F11. :-) Aug 18 16:04:43 rdieter sounds like the desktop/gnome spin will include it Aug 18 16:04:50 SMParrish I've been using it and have had no issues +1 from me Aug 18 16:04:50 Kevin_Kofler (I assume the KPK issues with it have been fixed by now.) Aug 18 16:05:04 than it's fine with me Aug 18 16:05:11 SMParrish Yes Kpk is fine with presto Aug 18 16:05:22 jreznik I'm not using it but why not, +1 (fast network, slow computer) Aug 18 16:05:34 svahl ok. I'll add it to the images then Aug 18 16:05:36 ltinkl works fine here as well Aug 18 16:05:38 rdieter alright, let's "just do it" then. Aug 18 16:05:38 jreznik and once it's used in gnome spin Aug 18 16:05:55 rdieter #agreed enable yum-presto on kde-desktop spin Aug 18 16:06:02 jreznik and let's wait for bugs, we can revert later... Aug 18 16:06:27 rdieter svahl: you mind updating spin-kickstarts for that? Aug 18 16:06:47 svahl yes, will commit it after the meeting Aug 18 16:07:03 rdieter #topic PolicyKit 1 Authentication Agent Aug 18 16:07:04 * zodbot` hat das Thema geändert zu: PolicyKit 1 Authentication Agent (Meeting topic: KDE SIG -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-08-18) Aug 18 16:07:09 rdieter jreznik: news, status? Aug 18 16:07:40 jreznik rdieter: first question is, if we can use gnome authentication agent Aug 18 16:07:52 jreznik it looks it's not working for KPackageKit Aug 18 16:08:13 jreznik but I've tested it with ported polkit-qt and it's ok Aug 18 16:08:37 jreznik so the problem must be somewhere in PackageKit, PackageKit-qt? Aug 18 16:09:13 Kevin_Kofler Weird. Aug 18 16:09:16 than jreznik, i don't se any problem to use gnome authentication agent if the PolicyKit 1 Authentication Agent is not ready to use Aug 18 16:09:27 Kevin_Kofler than: If it actually works... Aug 18 16:09:29 jreznik than: problem is KPK Aug 18 16:09:51 ltinkl jreznik: does KPK talk directly to PolicyKit? Aug 18 16:10:20 SMParrish ltinkl: no it doesn't that is all handled by Packagekit Aug 18 16:10:34 jreznik ltinkl: no, it should be handled by PaK https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499968 Aug 18 16:10:35 bugbot_ Bug 499968: medium, low, ---, smparrish, ASSIGNED, port PackageKit-qt to PolicyKit 1.0 Aug 18 16:10:46 ltinkl ah ok Aug 18 16:11:04 ltinkl anyone working on that port? Aug 18 16:11:06 Kevin_Kofler rhughes says PackageKit-qt doesn't need to do anything and it should all be happening in the backend. Aug 18 16:11:14 jreznik but something is wrong - I can use gnome authentication agent for KDE apps, not for KPK Aug 18 16:11:14 Kevin_Kofler But the thing is, it doesn't work! Aug 18 16:11:24 ltinkl only KPK? Aug 18 16:11:48 SMParrish jreznik: that because the version of kpk with the updated method calls has not been released yet Aug 18 16:11:51 jreznik ltinkl: yes (there are no other K apps using PK, only examples in Polkit-qt Aug 18 16:12:00 Kevin_Kofler SMParrish: We need that in Rawhide ASAP. Aug 18 16:12:00 rdieter SMParrish: ah yes. Aug 18 16:12:06 Kevin_Kofler We can't do any testing otherwise. Aug 18 16:12:10 Kevin_Kofler And people will need it! Aug 18 16:12:15 rdieter let's defer any panic until the newer kpackagekit lands. Aug 18 16:12:19 than jreznik, how about another apps, like k3b ? Aug 18 16:12:32 ltinkl SMParrish: released? I didn't see any work being done in SVN, you mean someone is developing this outside? Aug 18 16:12:33 than as i know it uses PK Aug 18 16:12:33 * jreznik is not using k3b... Aug 18 16:12:34 rdieter k3b doesn't include pk support Aug 18 16:12:46 rdieter or rather, we build it without it Aug 18 16:13:01 Kevin_Kofler And it shouldn't be built with it in Fedora. Aug 18 16:13:21 SMParrish ltinkl: upstream has not pushed it to cvs yet. It will be ready at the end of the week at the latest Aug 18 16:13:22 Kevin_Kofler They use PolicyKit to set burning software to suid root or elevate privileges for the in some other way. Aug 18 16:13:29 Kevin_Kofler It makes no sense to do that with cdrkit. Aug 18 16:13:36 Kevin_Kofler SUID cdrecord is a broken Schilling-ism. Aug 18 16:13:53 Kevin_Kofler Wodim works just fine as a regular user. Aug 18 16:14:11 ltinkl SMParrish: I'm confused, what is the upstream CVS you talk about? :) Aug 18 16:14:28 rdieter s/cvs/svn/ perhaps. Aug 18 16:14:38 Kevin_Kofler PK git more likely. Aug 18 16:14:50 * ltinkl is even more confused Aug 18 16:14:55 SMParrish yeah svn.kde.org release may be ready as early as tomorrow Aug 18 16:15:08 Kevin_Kofler Oh, so KPK SVN. Aug 18 16:15:09 ltinkl ok, but I didn't see any commit yet... Aug 18 16:15:14 rdieter ok, I propose we defer this issue, until we have a newer kpk Aug 18 16:15:19 ltinkl sure Aug 18 16:15:25 SMParrish dantii does not push anything to svn until he has it working locally Aug 18 16:15:29 Kevin_Kofler We'd still like a native KDE auth agent if possible. Aug 18 16:15:29 ltinkl let's move it to next week's meeting Aug 18 16:15:48 jreznik rdieter: ok, then if the Gnome auth agent, we are ok... Aug 18 16:15:53 Kevin_Kofler SMParrish: We need to bug him to commit early, commit often. Aug 18 16:15:59 ltinkl ok, so we will have KPK working with PK1, what about the agent now? :) Aug 18 16:16:02 jreznik I'd like to see KDE based one but there's a lot of work Aug 18 16:16:10 Kevin_Kofler We can't do collaborative development if everyone works in his/her private corner. Aug 18 16:16:11 SMParrish Kevin_Kofler: I'll work on that Aug 18 16:16:21 ltinkl Kevin_Kofler: that was my concern Aug 18 16:16:41 rdieter Kevin_Kofler: do we have folks here willing to help code it? Aug 18 16:16:42 jreznik ltinkl: I have first code, working together on polkit-qt-core lib... Aug 18 16:17:10 rdieter Kevin_Kofler: otherwise, it may end up similar to kde-plasma-networkmanager, where it's half-broken much of the time. Aug 18 16:17:11 ltinkl rdieter: ye jreznik was surely willing to help/look at that Aug 18 16:17:29 rdieter that = kpackagekit or kde auth agent ? or both? Aug 18 16:17:55 rdieter I guess it doesn't matter, either way. Aug 18 16:17:56 jreznik I'm trying to avoid all glibisms in it and it means lot, lot of work... /me hates PK Aug 18 16:18:06 jreznik rdieter: kde auth agent Aug 18 16:18:15 rdieter ok Aug 18 16:18:25 jreznik but as upstream can't get PK1 running, it's complicated :) Aug 18 16:18:36 ltinkl speaking of which, there's another abstraction library being developed in KDE (currently in kdereview) called libkauth Aug 18 16:19:32 Kevin_Kofler Yeah, it's supposed to be abstract rather than wrapping only PolicyKit, so it can also work on other OSes or on distros which opt for a different security setup. Aug 18 16:19:44 ltinkl yup, which I like Aug 18 16:19:49 Kevin_Kofler Of course it's not helpful for stuff like an auth agent. Aug 18 16:19:58 Kevin_Kofler It's an abstract API for applications only. Aug 18 16:20:09 ltinkl sure, we will need the agent anyway Aug 18 16:20:19 Kevin_Kofler The auth agent is provided either by the native OS where it's not KDE or by a KDE component using a lower-level library. Aug 18 16:20:21 jreznik agent is standalone thing Aug 18 16:20:38 rdieter I think we've beaten polkit pretty good, can we move on? Aug 18 16:20:50 Kevin_Kofler IMHO yes. Aug 18 16:21:03 jreznik move on, I'll update status on next meeting (KPK, authagent) Aug 18 16:21:06 rdieter #topic KDE 4.3.0 update status Aug 18 16:21:06 * zodbot` hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE 4.3.0 update status (Meeting topic: KDE SIG -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-08-18) Aug 18 16:21:25 rdieter As far as I can tell, we've been getting fairly good feedback here. Aug 18 16:22:38 rdieter looking at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=515075&hide_resolved=1 , I don't see anything blocker-worthy either Aug 18 16:22:53 Kevin_Kofler We still have 2 open regressions, plus the SELinux one where we need to get a fixed policy pushed (and I have no idea what's up with that on F10). Aug 18 16:23:03 Kevin_Kofler https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516445 Aug 18 16:23:04 bugbot_ Bug 516445: low, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, Show Dashboard Shortcut (ctrl-f12) doesn't work after upgrade to kde 4.3.0 Aug 18 16:23:09 Kevin_Kofler https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=518000 Aug 18 16:23:10 bugbot_ Bug 518000: medium, low, ---, than, NEW, suspend/hibernate from menu not working after update to KDE 4.3 Aug 18 16:23:16 Kevin_Kofler https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516824 Aug 18 16:23:17 bugbot_ Bug 516824: medium, low, ---, mgrepl, MODIFIED, kde: suspend to ram fails, selinux denial Aug 18 16:23:39 rdieter 518000 is svahl's? that's an interesting one. Aug 18 16:23:53 svahl the second one may be due to a not running PowerDevil. Aug 18 16:24:07 than why does kdebase-runtime/kdebase-workspace have require on akonadi? Aug 18 16:24:20 svahl But either way. Doing nothing when clicking on a button is not as expected Aug 18 16:24:55 rdieter than: it doesn't as far as I can tell, what makes you think that? Aug 18 16:25:07 rdieter kdepim-runtime does Aug 18 16:25:27 than rdieter, try to remove akonadi you will see Aug 18 16:25:30 Kevin_Kofler And I have no idea where that xrandr command makes any difference for suspend working or not. Aug 18 16:25:38 rdieter than: I just did, no deps here Aug 18 16:25:51 than strange! Aug 18 16:25:58 rdieter only kdepim-runtime kdeimlibs-akonadi Aug 18 16:26:23 than Dependencies Resolved Aug 18 16:26:23 than ====================================================================================================== Aug 18 16:26:23 than Package Arch Version Repository Size Aug 18 16:26:23 than ====================================================================================================== Aug 18 16:26:24 than Removing: Aug 18 16:26:26 than akonadi i586 1.2.0-0.1.fc11 installed 1.7 M Aug 18 16:26:29 than Removing for dependencies: Aug 18 16:26:31 than akonadi-devel i586 1.2.0-0.1.fc11 installed 32 k Aug 18 16:26:34 than kde4-windeco-dekorator i386 0.3-11.1 installed 1.6 M Aug 18 16:26:37 than kdeartwork-kxs i586 4.3.0-0.1.fc11 installed 199 k Aug 18 16:26:42 than kdeartwork-screensavers i586 4.3.0-0.1.fc11 installed 2.9 M Aug 18 16:26:45 than kdebase i586 6:4.3.0-1.fc11 installed 12 M Aug 18 16:26:48 than kdebase-workspace i586 4.3.0-5.fc11 installed 26 M Aug 18 16:26:51 than kdebase-workspace-devel i586 4.3.0-5.fc11 installed 617 k Aug 18 16:26:54 than kdebase-workspace-libs i586 4.3.0-5.fc11 installed 2.3 M Aug 18 16:26:57 than kdebluetooth i586 1:0.3-3.fc11 installed 354 k Aug 18 16:27:00 than kdemultimedia i586 6:4.3.0-0.1.fc11 installed 4.1 M Aug 18 16:27:03 than kdepim i586 6:4.3.0-2.fc11 installed 20 M Aug 18 16:27:09 than kdepim-libs i586 6:4.3.0-2.fc11 installed 21 M Aug 18 16:27:09 Kevin_Kofler #516445 (the dashboard issue) should be fixable with kconf_update. Aug 18 16:27:09 than kdepim-runtime i586 4.3.0-1.fc11 installed 3.3 M Aug 18 16:27:14 than kdepim-runtime-libs i586 4.3.0-1.fc11 installed 789 k Aug 18 16:27:17 than kdepimlibs-akonadi i586 4.3.0-1.fc11 installed 1.2 M Aug 18 16:27:20 than kdepimlibs-devel i586 Aug 18 16:27:22 than kdebase-workspace has require on akonadi! Aug 18 16:27:34 * skvidal points than to fpaste.org Aug 18 16:27:54 Kevin_Kofler than: I think it drags in kdepim-runtime which drags in akonadi. Aug 18 16:28:05 than as i know we already fixed it in the past Aug 18 16:28:36 rdieter than: ah, it does indeed link libakonadi-kde and libakonadi-kmime now somewhere, we can look into that Aug 18 16:29:05 Kevin_Kofler IMHO we shouldn't cripple KDE just to disable Akonadi stuff. Aug 18 16:29:11 Kevin_Kofler It's becoming more and more central to KDE. Aug 18 16:29:16 than rdieter, do you want to take care of it? Aug 18 16:29:18 Kevin_Kofler So we should just get used to it being required. Aug 18 16:29:31 rdieter well, no, but our tentative plan was to ship f12-fedora-kde without akonadi... I thought? Aug 18 16:29:43 Kevin_Kofler IMHO that makes no sense whatsoever. Aug 18 16:29:44 than rdieter, correct! Aug 18 16:29:45 rdieter but yeah, otherwise, I agree Aug 18 16:30:00 jreznik I agree with Kevin_Kofler... I don't see any advantage in not shiping it in F12 Aug 18 16:30:15 Kevin_Kofler By 4.4 even KMail will require it and users will definitely get it dragged back in by an update. Aug 18 16:30:19 rdieter jreznik: for one thing: space, the other, it makes very little sense on a live image Aug 18 16:30:31 than mos users don't want to have kdepim and akonadi Aug 18 16:30:34 rdieter for kde-desktop default, sure Aug 18 16:30:55 Kevin_Kofler than: Uh, our default PIM apps in Fedora KDE are kdepim! Aug 18 16:31:07 jreznik kdepim is really important package! Aug 18 16:31:08 rdieter than: I'll make you a deal, you file a bug, and I'll fix it. :) Aug 18 16:31:14 Kevin_Kofler I don't know what you ship as default in RHEL (Evolution?), but in Fedora, KDE users almost all use kdepim. Aug 18 16:31:38 ltinkl we will ship kdepim but for now akonadi isn't necessary Aug 18 16:31:41 than Kevin_Kofler, don't undertand me wrong! Aug 18 16:31:54 ltinkl it's not much usable atm anyway Aug 18 16:31:58 than i just want to get rid of deps on akonadi Aug 18 16:31:58 rdieter kdepim works fine without kdepim-runtime/akonadi, mind you. Aug 18 16:32:11 than not drop akonadi from F12 Aug 18 16:32:25 jreznik for f12 indeed, it's not usable but I think it's going to be must have for f13 Aug 18 16:33:50 Kevin_Kofler rdieter: It won't in 4.4. Aug 18 16:34:00 than i know some users they switch to gnome because the cannot deinstall akonadi Aug 18 16:34:04 Kevin_Kofler KMail will be entirely based on Akonadi, at least according to the plan. Aug 18 16:34:22 jreznik Kevin_Kofler: not only KMail Aug 18 16:34:33 Kevin_Kofler Some other PIM stuff too, right. Aug 18 16:34:33 rdieter that's been "the plan" since 4.1... and that's fine, I let's deal with it when it actually happens. Aug 18 16:34:39 Kevin_Kofler But KMail is the most high profile user. Aug 18 16:35:03 than Kevin_Kofler, most users from stuttgart office use KDE and evolution! Aug 18 16:35:07 rdieter besides, we're only talking about making it *optional*, and not included on the live image. Aug 18 16:35:15 jreznik the plan for Akonadi is to be central PIM solution for both desktops... Aug 18 16:35:17 than the don't want kmail Aug 18 16:35:18 rdieter it should be installed by default via kde-desktop, imo Aug 18 16:35:41 jreznik than: evolution is really very very bad an buggy software Aug 18 16:35:50 than or thunderbird Aug 18 16:35:59 than jreznik, i know Aug 18 16:36:23 jreznik kmail is much more better, even some gnome users in Brno are using kmail as it's better (4.2+) Aug 18 16:36:56 ltinkl umm, so what is the problem, can't we make akonadi optional for now? :) Aug 18 16:37:13 rdieter we're getting a bit offtopic here (for this meeting anyway). ltinkl : +1, yes Aug 18 16:37:16 ltinkl as it really _is_ optional now Aug 18 16:37:27 jreznik if we can make akonadi optional, let's do it for f12 Aug 18 16:37:33 Kevin_Kofler For https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516445 , I see our findings from last meeting have not been reported to the bug reports (neither ours nor the upstream one). :-( Aug 18 16:37:34 bugbot_ Bug 516445: low, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, Show Dashboard Shortcut (ctrl-f12) doesn't work after upgrade to kde 4.3.0 Aug 18 16:37:38 jreznik we can hope kmail will be ready soon Aug 18 16:37:41 ltinkl kmail/korg/kaddressbook still default to the old kresources anyway Aug 18 16:37:49 Kevin_Kofler We found the change which needs a kconf_update script for. Aug 18 16:38:00 Kevin_Kofler We need to post it to the bug reports if we want upstream to write the script! Aug 18 16:38:14 Kevin_Kofler Or we could just write it, which will be faster anyway. Aug 18 16:38:26 Kevin_Kofler But we should do that ASAP. Aug 18 16:38:32 rdieter Kevin_Kofler's right, :( , who wants that job? (the reporting part only for now, bonus points for writing kconf fix) Aug 18 16:39:24 Kevin_Kofler As for Akonadi, the thing is, it's not optional as kdebase-workspace is linking it in at compile time. Aug 18 16:39:36 Kevin_Kofler If it's optional, it's optional at compile time and you lose features by removing it. Aug 18 16:42:02 rdieter I'll be sure not to break anything important. won't know for sure, until we take a closer look to see exactly where it's coming from Aug 18 16:42:15 Kevin_Kofler Maybe we can put the offending stuff into a subpackage. Aug 18 16:42:22 Kevin_Kofler But that only works if it's in plugins. Aug 18 16:42:30 rdieter that's my hope anyway Aug 18 16:42:47 Kevin_Kofler For the SELinux issue, we should nag the SELinux maintainers to push their latest selinux-policy to stable. Aug 18 16:43:00 Kevin_Kofler But I don't know whether a fix is needed for F10 too. Aug 18 16:43:06 rdieter as long as it lands in stable before kde-4.3.0 does Aug 18 16:43:12 ltinkl umm, I don't see akonadi being required here in any of the CMake files in kdebase Aug 18 16:43:16 rdieter anyone here still running F-10 ? Aug 18 16:43:23 ltinkl or even being tested for Aug 18 16:43:25 Kevin_Kofler My machines are all running F10, but I don't have SELinux enabled. Aug 18 16:43:42 Kevin_Kofler So I have no idea whether the issue is showing up on F10. Aug 18 16:43:49 * jreznik has rawhide first day :) Aug 18 16:44:05 rdieter Kevin_Kofler: mind turning it on to find out? Aug 18 16:44:06 svahl Only in VirtualBox in permissive mode for testing. But I could try to enable enforcing to test it Aug 18 16:44:27 rdieter or svahl, someone should test that, else, we could ask in fedora-kde list for help testing that Aug 18 16:44:31 Kevin_Kofler rdieter: I can try if I have some time... Aug 18 16:44:37 Kevin_Kofler The relabel needs time. :-( Aug 18 16:44:46 svahl yeah ;( Aug 18 16:44:56 Kevin_Kofler (It has to relabel everything because I have it off entirely, not just permissive.) Aug 18 16:45:26 svahl I could try it. If I fail I'll ask for help :) Aug 18 16:45:34 rdieter svahl: thanks Aug 18 16:46:29 svahl for the extragear packages: skanlite, kiconedit, kcoloredit, kopete-cryptography, kgrab and konq-plugins were built for f10,f11,rawhide Aug 18 16:46:32 rdieter any objections to adding kdepim-runtime to default in comps-f12? just not included on the live image? Aug 18 16:46:47 Kevin_Kofler Why not on live image? Aug 18 16:46:51 Kevin_Kofler Just to exclude Akonadi? Aug 18 16:47:00 rdieter didn't we just have this conversation? :) Aug 18 16:47:04 Kevin_Kofler Isn't kdepim-runtime kinda required for a fully-working kdepim? Aug 18 16:47:06 svahl they are already in updates-testing and will hit rawhide after the freeze Aug 18 16:47:48 ltinkl it's kdepimlibs which are required for workspace/plasma/dataengines/akonadi and workspace/plasma/dataengines/calendar Aug 18 16:47:53 Kevin_Kofler IMHO a live image without Akonadi isn't feasible, even if we drop the dep from kdebase-workspace (which I also still don't think makes sense). Aug 18 16:48:02 than rdieter, date: 2009/06/05 13:56:02; author: rdieter; state: Exp; lines: +1 -0 Aug 18 16:48:02 than +BR: akonadi-devel Aug 18 16:48:12 Kevin_Kofler The live image has kdepim, kdepim needs kdepim-runtime which drags in Akonadi. Aug 18 16:48:22 * rdieter wouldn't want to be that rdieter guy right now. :) Aug 18 16:48:37 ltinkl it's only the akonadi and calendar data engines that are added Aug 18 16:48:42 than rdieter, any reason why you added this BR? Aug 18 16:48:44 rdieter one more time (with feeling) : kdepim-runtime is optional Aug 18 16:48:51 ltinkl but with kdepimlibs found, we might want to adjust those cmake tests Aug 18 16:48:56 Kevin_Kofler ltinkl: Then put those into a subpackage. Aug 18 16:49:04 Kevin_Kofler kdebase-workspace-pim or something like that. Aug 18 16:49:11 rdieter than: I'll take a closer look after meeting, don't remember now exactly Aug 18 16:49:32 than rdieter, thanks Aug 18 16:49:36 svahl atm kdepim-runtime isn't present on the live images Aug 18 16:49:37 Kevin_Kofler Hmmm, wait... Aug 18 16:49:42 Kevin_Kofler Isn't calendar used by the clock applet? Aug 18 16:49:53 ltinkl ye maybe Aug 18 16:49:55 rdieter svahl: interesting Aug 18 16:50:05 ltinkl kdepimlibs is ok but I think the cmake check is wrong Aug 18 16:50:36 Kevin_Kofler Anybody posting our findings from last week to the shortcuts bug? Aug 18 16:50:37 ltinkl because we also have BuildRequires: kdepimlibs-devel Aug 18 16:50:48 ltinkl so I think it's ok if we drop the BR: akonadi Aug 18 16:51:10 rdieter ltinkl: you seem to have a grip on it better than I, you want to work on that? Aug 18 16:51:30 ltinkl rdieter: yup, I'll try to disable BR akonadi and see what comes out :) Aug 18 16:51:58 * Kevin_Kofler is posting the info to the shortcuts reports, as nobody else is doing it. Aug 18 16:52:00 rdieter Kevin_Kofler: I can, if you refresh my memory exactly what that was, if you recall... else can dig it up from the last week's log Aug 18 16:52:22 rdieter or just do it (better). :) Aug 18 16:52:35 ltinkl Kevin_Kofler: thanks, I don't recall what was the outcome of last week's meeting :/ Aug 18 16:53:36 rdieter it was the plasma -> plasma-desktop binary rename Aug 18 16:54:01 rdieter the conf group [plasma] didn't get migrated to [plasma-desktop] or something like that Aug 18 16:54:37 rdieter #topic Open floor Aug 18 16:54:39 ltinkl ah yes Aug 18 16:55:09 rdieter anything else for today, we're about out of time. Aug 18 16:55:32 than to be safe we could split akonadi part in kdebase-workspace-akonadi Aug 18 16:55:52 Kevin_Kofler Hmmm, I think zodbot lost record of the meeting. :-( Aug 18 16:56:05 Kevin_Kofler (The current one. Last week's log is fine.) Aug 18 16:56:42 rdieter alright, let's wrap up the meeting, thanks everyone Aug 18 16:56:43 rdieter #endmeeting