Mai 12 18:11:08 * rdieter hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12 -- Init Mai 12 18:11:12 rdieter KDE SIG meeting start Mai 12 18:11:18 rdieter who's present today? Mai 12 18:11:22 * jreznik is here Mai 12 18:11:25 * ltinkl raises hand Mai 12 18:11:38 * svahl is here Mai 12 18:11:48 rdieter than mailed regrets, had scheduling conflict today Mai 12 18:12:09 Kevin_Kofler Present. Mai 12 18:12:21 * SMParrish here Mai 12 18:12:54 * rdieter hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12 -- Delta rpms Mai 12 18:13:07 rdieter first topic: Delta rpms , jreznik? (other?) Mai 12 18:13:51 * aseigo looks innocently out from behind his desk Mai 12 18:13:58 rdieter fyi, (short) agenda today, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12#Agenda Mai 12 18:14:07 Kevin_Kofler Any test results for yum-presto + KPackageKit? Mai 12 18:14:07 SMParrish I am currently testing kpackagekit and delta rpms on a rawhide box. will report results when/if it finishes Mai 12 18:15:00 rdieter I've got yum-presto installed on my boxes, not sure how (well) it's getting used, but I've not experienced any problems either Mai 12 18:15:45 Kevin_Kofler So, should we drag it in on the KDE spin kickstart (if it's not too late for kickstart changes, and assuming it fits)? Mai 12 18:15:56 Kevin_Kofler KDE updates can benefit a lot from Presto. Mai 12 18:16:57 SMParrish yum-presto package is about 28k Mai 12 18:17:24 Kevin_Kofler It also needs deltarpms though. Mai 12 18:18:16 jwb_ needs how? Mai 12 18:18:42 * jreznik has brand new local mirror here in brno office... but at home... :) Mai 12 18:18:46 rdieter I'm of a mind to follow fedora as a whole, keep this as optional, not included by default. There's just been too little testing to trust it for something as critical as updates. Mai 12 18:18:51 Kevin_Kofler Well, it needs the tools to use the delta RPMs, doesn't it? Mai 12 18:19:20 rdieter Kevin_Kofler: if yum-presto is installed, it "just works", provided the repos it talks to also support drpms Mai 12 18:19:21 jwb_ rdieter, as an outsider, i'm with you there Mai 12 18:19:48 svahl Kevin_Kofler, yum-presto could be added without additional deps. But I agree with rdieter, too Mai 12 18:20:14 Kaboon rdieter: I can confirm that. I've got them enabled on at least two workstations and I haven't experienced any problems yet. Although I haven't done any actual testing either. The only thing I do know that at least kernel and OpenOffice updates seem to benefit from it. :) Mai 12 18:20:38 rdieter it's easy enough to add after-the-fact, for those that really want it. Mai 12 18:20:42 Kevin_Kofler rdieter: It just works because it has "Requires: deltarpm >= 3.4-2". :-) Mai 12 18:20:57 Kevin_Kofler So the size of deltarpm needs to be factored in when computing the size it'd take on the image. Mai 12 18:21:03 Kevin_Kofler That's what I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear. Mai 12 18:21:31 rdieter it's small, that's not an issue, we could make it fit if we *really* wanted it... I just don't think we should. Mai 12 18:22:02 Kevin_Kofler It'd be a feature we'd have first. :-) Mai 12 18:22:09 svahl Kevin_Kofler, deltarpm is already part of the live images Mai 12 18:22:28 ltinkl same here, I don't think we should rush in stuff that hasn't been tested thoroughly, esp. this close to the release Mai 12 18:22:30 jreznik Kevin_Kofler: but without testing? is it worth to be first? Mai 12 18:22:33 svahl it's needed by createrepo -> anaconda Mai 12 18:22:51 rdieter creatrepo is on the live image(s)? slightly wierd, but ok. Mai 12 18:22:56 SMParrish +1 to waiting until we get more testing done Mai 12 18:23:37 Kevin_Kofler Well, OK, let's follow the global Fedora decision and leave it out for F11 then. Next topic? Mai 12 18:24:49 rdieter next topic: F11 news: leonidas-kde-theme updates , jreznik? Mai 12 18:24:58 * rdieter hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12 -- F11 news: leonidas-kde-theme updates Mai 12 18:25:54 jreznik ok, this leonidas-kde-theme-11.0.1-1.fc11 should be final version... please try it and if you have some complaints... it's late now but... Mai 12 18:26:06 jreznik it's tagged now https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1789 Mai 12 18:26:19 jreznik what's new - lion and landscape subpackage Mai 12 18:27:01 rdieter nice, got -lion here atm. Mai 12 18:27:03 jreznik so there are three themes - default wp, default wp with lion (optional) and alpha landscape wxp like one (optional) Mai 12 18:27:10 svahl jreznik, are these supackages optional or required by default (or in @kde-desktop)? Mai 12 18:27:22 Kevin_Kofler Completely optional. Mai 12 18:27:24 rdieter optional, not required anywhere Mai 12 18:27:30 Kevin_Kofler I think they're not in comps at all yet, are they? Mai 12 18:27:35 Kevin_Kofler We should add them as optional in comps. Mai 12 18:27:35 svahl ok. thx Mai 12 18:27:36 jreznik even leonidas-backgrounds don't need them Mai 12 18:28:01 jreznik Kevin_Kofler: could you do it? Mai 12 18:28:18 Kevin_Kofler jreznik: Yes. Mai 12 18:28:19 rdieter ah, comps, for forgotten step-child. Mai 12 18:28:50 * rdieter hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12 -- KDE 4.2.3 update status Mai 12 18:28:59 rdieter cool, next topic: kde 4.2.3 update status Mai 12 18:29:25 rdieter fyi, I got extragear builds done, still TODO: create bodhi updates Mai 12 18:29:44 rdieter Kevin_Kofler ? Mai 12 18:29:48 Kevin_Kofler The update group for the non-extragear stuff has hit updates-testing. Mai 12 18:30:08 Kevin_Kofler (for F9, F10 and F11) (I submitted it in Bodhi.) Mai 12 18:30:26 rdieter task: update kde svn www info. Mai 12 18:31:27 Kevin_Kofler For kdebase-workspace, there's the weather dataengine update to handle network status from Solid which I'd like to backport from 4.3. Mai 12 18:32:09 Kevin_Kofler (spstarr has suggested that we add this to our packages.) I'll probably do the backport and then edit the updates with it. Mai 12 18:32:25 rdieter Kevin_Kofler: can you estimate how much work that to be , and the potential risk of badness? Mai 12 18:33:12 Kevin_Kofler Work: just take the patch from SVN and apply it, spstarr says it should be compatible with the 4.2 code. Risk of badness: should not affect anything other than the weather and lcd-weatherstation plasmoids. Mai 12 18:33:44 rdieter I'm ok with that, assuming testing goes ok. Mai 12 18:34:22 rdieter anything else? can we move on? Mai 12 18:34:54 jreznik move on Mai 12 18:34:59 * rdieter hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12 -- Qt 4.5.1 update status Mai 12 18:35:03 rdieter next topic: Qt 4.5.1 update status Mai 12 18:35:31 Kevin_Kofler See also https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=Qt451 Mai 12 18:35:33 buggbot Bug 497658: medium, low, ---, than, NEW, Qt-4.5.1 Tracker Mai 12 18:35:35 rdieter it's in updates-testing (well F-9 is still pending, missed the cut yesterday) Mai 12 18:36:03 rdieter got quite a bit of testing/feedback from kde-redhat repo usage already, now we'll see for real. Mai 12 18:36:27 Kevin_Kofler So, we have 2 regressions in 4.5.0 in Qt-only apps (texmaker and jabbim) which are fixed by the update. Mai 12 18:36:49 Kevin_Kofler On the other hand, we now have 3 new rendering regressions in KDE stuff. :-( Mai 12 18:37:07 Kevin_Kofler rssnow plasmoid, ksysguard, Amarok 2.0 Mai 12 18:37:15 rdieter in a week (or so), we'll re-evaluate status of regressions vs. fixes. Mai 12 18:37:23 Kevin_Kofler RSSNOW is particularly bad because it doesn't display anything. Mai 12 18:37:46 Kevin_Kofler There's a hackish workaround which we could apply to rssnow, but it makes it look ugly. Mai 12 18:37:47 rdieter ksysguard is cosmetic, amarok-2.1 is on the near horizon Mai 12 18:38:52 Kevin_Kofler This patch may or may not help with the rendering issues: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/2e3a5ea4434d19fbdb90996e71961f0791ea6487 Mai 12 18:39:21 Kevin_Kofler Another post-4.5.1 patch worth looking into is the QTemporaryFile fd leak fix: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/42e2070925d012845db9cf85e597a17851a0dcb6 Mai 12 18:39:35 Kevin_Kofler FD leaks wreak havoc with SELinux. Mai 12 18:41:43 ltinkl Kevin_Kofler: this FD leak in QTempFile also causes problems for Arora Mai 12 18:42:29 Kevin_Kofler Basically, it can't hurt looking through the git repo for fixes to snatch. :-) Mai 12 18:43:54 Kevin_Kofler Anything else about 4.5.1? Or let's move on? Mai 12 18:44:55 * rdieter hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12 -- Open Discussion Mai 12 18:45:16 rdieter than's not here to discuss 4.2.85 status, so that's it for the agenda. open floor. Mai 12 18:45:49 jreznik hey, I've found strigi update still in testing today... push it to stable? it helped all people but not reporter... Mai 12 18:46:07 jreznik https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2009-3816 Mai 12 18:46:15 jreznik https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=496620 Mai 12 18:46:16 Kevin_Kofler Just a note about 4.2.85: Than started importing it into F12 (post-F11 Rawhide). Mai 12 18:46:19 buggbot Bug 496620: medium, low, ---, dakingun, ON_QA, Dolphin crashes when trying to browse an SMB workgroup or view the properties of / Mai 12 18:46:38 Kevin_Kofler jreznik: Push it to stable. Mai 12 18:46:43 jreznik Kevin_Kofler: ok Mai 12 18:46:47 Kevin_Kofler The fix may not be complete, but it fixes something at least. Mai 12 18:46:59 rdieter it fixed at least 1 crasher, +1 push Mai 12 18:48:06 jreznik ok, that's all from me, I have to leave now... some volunteer to prepare summary? or I'll do it tomorrow Mai 12 18:48:14 ltinkl I'll continue working 4.2.85, than has other work to do Mai 12 18:48:39 rdieter jreznik, ltinkl, thanks Mai 12 18:49:07 rdieter ltinkl: how far along are things? need any help? Mai 12 18:49:29 Kevin_Kofler ltinkl: Than accidentally committed some ported kdelibs patches into kdebase-workspace, they need to be removed from there and added to kdelibs instead. Mai 12 18:49:43 ltinkl rdieter: I'm waiting till tomorrow, as per Dirk's advise Mai 12 18:50:03 rdieter it seems kdebindings is currently borken, yeah Mai 12 18:50:13 ltinkl Kevin_Kofler: I'll have a look at it, thx for noticing Mai 12 18:50:44 rdieter fesco/board elections are coming soon, any kde-sig folk interesting in running? Mai 12 18:51:32 jwb_ i nominate Kevin_Kofler Mai 12 18:51:33 svahl jreznik, I'll do the summary Mai 12 18:51:59 jreznik svahl: thx Mai 12 18:53:06 rdieter Kevin_Kofler: what do you think? Mai 12 18:54:45 Kevin_Kofler Hmmm... My main problem is that I'm busy enough as is. :-( Mai 12 18:56:40 rdieter nod, I found when I was doing all that, it does take a chunk of time. well worth it though. think about it. Mai 12 18:57:17 rdieter looks like we're about out of time for today. anything else? Mai 12 18:58:35 * rdieter hat das Thema geändert zu: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel for meeting schedule Mai 12 18:58:42 rdieter KDE SIG Meeting end Mai 12 18:58:57 rdieter thanks everyone (and sorry for being tardy, and cutting our meeting a little short)