[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:01:30] <rdieter>	KDE SIG Meeting start
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:01:46] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "-- KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-10-14 -- Init".
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:02:07] <rdieter>	who's present today?  ping: Kevin_Kofler, than, ltinkl, jreznik, kde*foo
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:02:12] <Kevin_Kofler>	Present.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:02:16] <svahl>	present (hopefully during the whole meeting because of my internet connection problems)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:02:24] <jreznik>	present
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:02:32] <SMParrish>	here
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:02:36] <than>	present
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:05:19] <rdieter>	ok, let's get started. topic 1: Replacing gnome-packagekit with kpackagekit on KDE live images?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:05:25] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "-- KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-10-14 -- Replacing gnome-packagekit with kpackagekit on KDE live images?".
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:05:38] <rdieter>	who's tried it out, tested it so faR
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:05:44] <rdieter>	so far?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:06:21] <jreznik>	rdieter: I tested it today
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:06:33] <rdieter>	and?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:06:55] <jreznik>	I had one crash during system update but I couldn't reproduce it with GDB
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:07:10] <jreznik>	there is GUI problem with showing updates
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:07:17] <jreznik>	http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenkpackagekitcp3.png
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:07:26] <rdieter>	comps will take some work, looks like gnome-packagekit is in both base-x and admin-tools groups
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:07:35] <svahl>	It was working fine here for updating two machines. One minor issue was that the updates are not shown in alphabetically order. One bigger issue was my test to add a packages some minutes ago: the dependency check was ongoing for more than 5 minutes before I stopped it.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:08:10] <SMParrish>	dev is aware of the gui issue and should have a fix out soon
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:08:14] <ltinkl>	I woulnd't blame kpackagekit for the dependency check slowness
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:08:15] <jreznik>	and systray icon dissapeared when getting information but it was still running
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:09:11] <svahl>	kpackagekit seems here to be slower than gnome-packagekit, but that's just a "feeling"
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:09:18] <rdieter>	my f10 box at home seems semi-stable, so I should be able to test it myself soonish
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:09:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	I suggest we try making the change in time for Snapshot 2.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:09:27] <Kevin_Kofler>	So people can test it.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:09:33] <jreznik>	svahl: it's slower
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:09:35] <ltinkl>	+1
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:09:39] <Kevin_Kofler>	And we can revert if the results are bad.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:09:43] <ltinkl>	we can still rollback if needed
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:09:44] <SMParrish>	+1
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:09:53] <svahl>	+1
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:10:01] <jreznik>	then ok for me
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:10:11] <than>	+1
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:10:11] <rdieter>	ok, *how* to enable it, on kde spin only via .ks, or comps in kde-desktop group?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:10:24] <jreznik>	and I don't like GUI - but I know, it's not final product...
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:10:32] <rdieter>	latter would get us more testing, then how to deal with issue of having both gnome-packagekit and kpackagekit installed
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:10:47] <than>	rdieter:  autostart
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:10:50] <Kevin_Kofler>	Kick gnome-packagekit out of base-x comps?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:11:01] <Kevin_Kofler>	Or maybe make it conditional on the absence of kpackagekit?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:11:02] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: +1
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:11:11] <rdieter>	than: kpackage include an autostart file that disables gnome-packagekit for kde only?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:11:15] <Kevin_Kofler>	And unconditional only in the GNOME group.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:11:37] <svahl>	if via comps: We should inform fedora-devel-announce and fedora-test-list of this change (just because gnome-packagekit shows the updates earlier than kpackagekit)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:12:10] <Kevin_Kofler>	Oh, and we should fix the defaults not to do security updates without asking.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:12:15] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: I don't think that kind of comps conditional is supported (but could be wrong)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:12:57] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: yes, I saw it - no automatic updates pls
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:13:00] <svahl>	rdieter: we've requested to remove "OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE;" in /etc/xdg/autostart/gpk-update-icon.desktop for F9. Maybe just revert the change?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:13:08] <Kevin_Kofler>	What's the best way to change the default? kde-settings? Or just patching the code?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:13:24] <rdieter>	svahl: so, make gnome-packagekit completely unusable under kde?  ugh
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:14:00] <svahl>	well, good point
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:14:40] <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, it's how upstream sets things up.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:14:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	Upstream gnome-packagekit still has the OnlyShowIn.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:14:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	It's only patched out in the Fedora packages.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:15:17] <rdieter>	ok, I think we agree to move forward with enabling it, we'll figure out the details post-meeting.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:15:38] <rdieter>	next topic: Release notes
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:15:46] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "-- KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-10-14 -- Release notes".
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:15:58] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: ?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:16:48] <Kevin_Kofler>	I updated everything, jreznik wrote a paragraph on Plasma.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:16:57] <Kevin_Kofler>	They should be complete now.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:17:21] <rdieter>	yay, any other docs in need of love (that you know of)?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:17:34] <svahl>	desktop user guide? (haven't checked it)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:17:43] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: I think so, I compared it to my personal notes... it was very difficult for me to track all changes, thx Kevin_Kofler, next time I'll be ready :)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:18:22] <Kevin_Kofler>	I guess the DUG is still completely outdated. :-(
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:19:06] <jreznik>	svahl: desktop user guide still untouched
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:19:21] <rdieter>	can someone look over the dug, and get started on updating it's content?  It's a large task, but any little bit would help.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:20:11] <jreznik>	It's really large task and I'm not sure about my English skills... but I can help with help with someone who speaks English better than me
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:20:27] <rdieter>	in particular, I'd be happier if we could task someone to simply coordinate the effort, jreznik, can you help lead here?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:21:05] <jreznik>	rdieter: ok, again I'll prepare wiki page
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:22:33] <rdieter>	thx, maybe a good idea to chop the job into smaller manageable pieces to assign to different folks.  If you can do the chopping, feel free to assign a job to me.  hopefully, others will volunteer to help too.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:23:13] <rdieter>	make sense?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:24:06] <svahl>	+1 (I could also try to help with a smaller piece)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:24:08] <jreznik>	rdieter: yes, it's exactly what I think about it... smaller pieces...
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:25:49] <rdieter>	ok, let's go with that, moving on.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:25:51] <jreznik>	it's too much for one man
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:25:54] <jreznik>	ok
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:26:03] <rdieter>	next topic: artwork: kdm, ksplash, kwin background
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:26:14] <rdieter>	who's working on what, and where are we?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:26:21] <Kevin_Kofler>	Kushal is working on the KDM theme.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:26:46] <Kevin_Kofler>	There are several display glitches left.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:26:56] <rdieter>	I pinged kushal
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:27:20] <than>	Kevin_Kofler: where can we get the source of KDM theme?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:27:24] <jreznik>	ksplash - only widescreen display support is missing
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:27:40] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: And all the display glitches?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:28:07] <Kevin_Kofler>	than: http://www.kushaldas.in/tmp/solarmania.tar.bz2
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:28:37] <rdieter>	once we have it working, where/how to package it?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:28:48] <Kevin_Kofler>	Separate package.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:28:50] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: I'm helping Kushal with artwork but now I don't know what's the current state...
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:28:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	There are no Fedora logos in it.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:29:00] <rdieter>	isn't there a solar-backgrounds pkg already?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:29:15] <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, that's a backgrounds package.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:29:22] <Kevin_Kofler>	Not a KDM theme one.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:29:23] <jreznik>	rdieter: last time I've checked it, it was very outdated
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:29:37] <Kevin_Kofler>	But the KDM theme package can require the backgrounds package and symlink the backgrounds from there if needed.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:29:42] <Kevin_Kofler>	But it needs to be updated, of course.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:29:50] <kushal>	sorry for being late, was afk
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:30:01] <Kevin_Kofler>	kushal: Hi! We're currently talking about your KDM theme. :-)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:30:03] <rdieter>	well, thats where the kwin background should go probably -> solar-backgrounds
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:30:09] <jreznik>	Yes, we need one package with all backgrounds for KDM, KSplash and background
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:30:27] <rdieter>	looks like we need a point-man (err... person) to lead artwork, volunteers?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:30:35] <Kevin_Kofler>	kushal: What's the state of the theme now? How many display glitches are there still there?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:30:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: I'm not sure one package with everything is the smart way to go.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:30:58] <kushal>	Kevin_Kofler, that wrong color problem is still there
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:31:05] <Kevin_Kofler>	Sure, it means fewer review requests, but...
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:31:07] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: only backgrounds
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:31:08] <kushal>	Kevin_Kofler, I fixed the font size
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:31:28] <kushal>	and moved the labels as left oriented (was in middle)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:31:33] <jreznik>	then one package for KDM theme and one for KSplash theme? or only one kde-solar-theme package?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:31:43] <rdieter>	I would like our "artwork" leader to coordinate our efforts with #fedora-artwork and other solar-related packaging.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:31:53] <jreznik>	rdieter: yes, we need some volunteer to be in touch with artwork team
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:32:13] <than>	jreznik: backgrounds could be included in fedora-logos as we did in the past
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:32:21] <Kevin_Kofler>	The added difficulty with the KSplash theme is that there's a Fedora logo in it.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:32:30] <jreznik>	than: yes, I think so, but now there is separate package
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:32:33] <Kevin_Kofler>	We'll get lynched if we put that into something other than fedora-logos.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:33:19] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: I didn't know it... but still I don't like everything in fedora-logos
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:33:25] <rdieter>	sounds like volunteers are sparse, I can give it shot.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:33:30] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: Me neither.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:33:49] <rdieter>	only the items with fedora logos (and such) need or shuld be in fedora-logos
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:34:33] <Kevin_Kofler>	There should probably be a solar-ksplash-theme which Requires: system-logos.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:34:51] <rdieter>	right, something like that.  alrighty, we'll discuss more details after meeting?  let's move on for now.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:35:07] <Kevin_Kofler>	I also explained a trick how we could ship a generic KDE or whatever logo in the KSplash theme itself and have the Fedora logo take its place automatically if fedora-logos is installed.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:35:09] <jreznik>	rdieter: I can help you with artwork stuff, but only from artwork perspective, I'm not skill enough in packaging
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:35:14] <Kevin_Kofler>	Then we could even do away with the Requires.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:35:20] <rdieter>	jreznik: thx
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:35:38] <Kevin_Kofler>	I can take care of the packaging.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:36:01] <Kevin_Kofler>	kushal: alternate-base-color="#666666" - that's some shade of gray, so it's no wonder you're getting something gray with that setting.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:36:01] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: but still it will be better coordinate packaging with artwork team
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:36:13] <kushal>	Kevin_Kofler, http://kushaldas.in/tmp/solarmania.tar.bz2
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:36:19] <kushal>	Kevin_Kofler, oh , ok
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:36:32] <rdieter>	arg, stuff I added to the agenda before meeting, now the wiki seems reverted to the version before I added anthing. ??
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:37:09] <rdieter>	oh, http vs https  (http shows old content ??)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:37:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	http is cached.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:37:35] <rdieter>	bleh, next topic: kde-4.2.x cvs import status, lvillani?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:37:45] <Kevin_Kofler>	There's also the 4.1.2 status.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:37:58] <Kevin_Kofler>	Should we do that first or 4.2.x first?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:38:01] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "-- KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-10-14 -- kde-4.1.2 update status".
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:38:07] <rdieter>	ok, let's do 4.1.2. first.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:38:10] <kushal>	Kevin_Kofler, ok, making it transparent does the magic :)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:38:49] <Kevin_Kofler>	kushal: You could experiment with something almost transparent, like "66666608".
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:38:49] <rdieter>	did the kioslaves fix make the latest push?  (don't think so, but thought I'd ask).
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:39:37] <kushal>	Kevin_Kofler, why we need a alternate-base-color ?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:39:51] <Kevin_Kofler>	kushal: We don't absolutely need one.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:39:59] <kushal>	oh :)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:40:02] <Kevin_Kofler>	Setting it also to all transparent is OK.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:40:08] <kushal>	ok
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:40:27] <rdieter>	otherwise, any other 4.1.2 blockers/issues?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:40:27] <kushal>	Kevin_Kofler, then check the font and label positions
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:40:33] <Kevin_Kofler>	rdieter: Which fix?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:41:04] <than>	rdieter: do you mean the fix that i commited today
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:41:05] <rdieter>	kioslaves not dying.  than comitted a patch to kdelibs recently, irc.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:41:10] <rdieter>	yes!
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:41:39] <than>	rdieter: yes
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:41:50] <Kevin_Kofler>	kdelibs-4.1.2-4 should be in the currently ongoing push already.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:42:09] <ltinkl>	I've got one more kdelibs fix in the queue
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:42:18] <ltinkl>	will commit today
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:42:31] <Kevin_Kofler>	As for other 4.1.2 stuff: what do we do with the autohide stuff?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:42:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	(i.e. kdebase-workspace-4.1.2-5.fc9)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:43:05] <rdieter>	ok, I propose we let the current batch simmer until Friday(?), and if no other issues/blockers arise, push to stable
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:43:34] <ltinkl>	+1
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:43:45] <jreznik>	Kopete is crashing again for me when logging out...
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:43:52] <Kevin_Kofler>	And we push the autohide stuff to testing after the other stuff went stable?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:44:01] <ltinkl>	and disable the autohide panel feature until we fix the CPU problem
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:44:07] <than>	rdieter: +1
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:44:13] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: I thought autohide was included in this push?  no?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:44:22] <ltinkl>	rdieter: dont think so
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:44:29] <Kevin_Kofler>	It's not.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:44:52] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: ok, I like your proposal then to push that separately to testing later
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:44:54] <Kevin_Kofler>	The soonest I can get it in is the next push.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:45:10] <than>	Kevin_Kofler: IMO the feature should be disable fo F9 update
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:45:26] <than>	if it causes the problem
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:45:31] <Kevin_Kofler>	Let's definitely not include it in the 4.1.2 push.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:45:38] <Kevin_Kofler>	We don't know how reliable it is.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:46:01] <Kevin_Kofler>	I still think we should get it out to testing once we have 4.1.2 out of the door.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:46:09] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: +1
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:46:20] <Kevin_Kofler>	And then we'll see. If it's broken, we kick it out and build 4.1.3 without it.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:46:39] <than>	Kevin_Kofler:  it's fine with me
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:47:02] <Kevin_Kofler>	AFAICT, the current version is working, though autohide looks ugly because I had to drop the patch which fixed that because it was eating CPU cycles like crazy.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:47:14] <Kevin_Kofler>	But that doesn't affect users not using autohide.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:47:21] <Kevin_Kofler>	(the ugly looks)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:47:26] <rdieter>	time is short, let's move on... next topic: importing kde-4.2.x.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:47:34] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "-- KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-10-14 -- importing kde-4.2.x".
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:47:35] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: is it builded somewhere in Koji?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:47:36] <rdieter>	lvillani: ?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:47:50] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: Yes, kdebase-workspace-4.1.2-5.fc9.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:47:57] <jreznik>	thx
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:48:00] <lvillani>	4.1.69 is building fine
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:48:07] <lvillani>	except kdebindings (lot of problems)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:48:17] <ltinkl>	unexpected xD
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:48:21] <lvillani>	and kdebase 4.1.69 (dolphin fails to compile)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:48:22] <Kevin_Kofler>	But nothing is imported in CVS yet (for 4.2).
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:48:25] <rdieter>	lvillani: you were going to post what you have to fedorapeople?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:48:34] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=65975
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:48:51] <lvillani>	Kevin_Kofler: I prefer to get something reviewed before I import it in CVS
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:49:07] <rdieter>	lvillani: any new pkgs?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:49:07] <lvillani>	I'm not a long-time contributor it's better that you don't trust my specfiles ;)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:49:39] <lvillani>	rdieter: let me finish building 4.1.69 modules, after that i'll upload them on my fedorapeople account
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:49:48] <rdieter>	ok
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:49:51] <lvillani>	and the specfiles on it or github, assembla, $whatever
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:50:15] <lvillani>	at the moment
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:50:35] <lvillani>	I'm keeping kdebase 4.1.66 since it's last compilable version
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:50:39] <rdieter>	and don't worry too much about kdebindings... it almost always breaks horribly before things begin to stabilize
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:50:46] <lvillani>	4.1.69 needs some care
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:51:04] <lvillani>	(but I think we'll need to update strigi/nepomuk snapshots)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:51:28] <rdieter>	ick, we'll deal with that when we get to it I guess.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:51:31] <Kevin_Kofler>	What's the state of the patches?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:51:42] <lvillani>	all patches apply without problems
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:51:46] <Kevin_Kofler>	Good.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:51:49] <lvillani>	at least, the important ones
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:51:56] <Kevin_Kofler>	Not good.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:52:01] <lvillani>	there were a couple of backported patches
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:52:08] <lvillani>	which didn't apply
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:52:10] <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, OK, duh.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:52:11] <lvillani>	(IIRC)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:52:17] <Kevin_Kofler>	Of course those aren't relevant anymore.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:52:27] <lvillani>	anyway, I commented them in the specfile
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:52:32] <Kevin_Kofler>	But all the patches which aren't upstream really need to get applied.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:52:34] <lvillani>	instead of removing the lines
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:53:04] <lvillani>	I think that the main 'stoppers' are kdebase 4.1.69
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:53:21] <lvillani>	and kdesdk (4.1.66 failed, too)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:54:09] <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, could you please go through the commented patches and check if they're really applied (not just "if they fail to apply, they're probably already applied" as you did for 4.1, that's a bad heuristic ;-) ). If they are, they should get removed altogether, but if they aren't, they have to be updated.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:54:20] <lvillani>	except for these two modules 4.1.66 is almost complete
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:54:26] <lvillani>	(and I'm building 4.1.69 right now)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:54:52] <lvillani>	kdegames is building in mock
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:55:09] <rdieter>	alrightly, last general comment/topic before time runs out: F10/rawhide testing
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:55:26] <lvillani>	Kevin_Kofler: i'll do that for sure ;-)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:55:32] <lvillani>	(as time permits)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:56:20] <lvillani>	School and real life are keeping me busy ;)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:57:08] <jreznik>	rdieter: it's not easy even to boot to F10/rawhide :(
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:57:16] <rdieter>	how many here have tried F10/rawhide recently?  In short, I'd like to challenge everyone to *try*. :)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:57:27] 	 * darthmarth37|Wk raises hand
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:57:30] <lvillani>	I "upgraded" all my home computers/laptops to rawhide
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:57:43] <rdieter>	lvillani: brave soul are you.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:57:49] <lvillani>	and well, it's running smoothly
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:58:05] <lvillani>	except some freezes on the laptop today
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:58:22] <svahl>	some small testing (the radeon driver issues prevented me from do more). I've some issues with kmail that I have to sort out
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:59:21] <rdieter>	nod, I've had radeon issues too.  nomodeset + no compositing = a stable box so far.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:59:41] <lvillani>	on my side, it seems to work fine
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:59:50] <lvillani>	I only get frequent crashes when logging out
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:59:55] <jreznik>	In VirtualBox I have kernel panic every five minutes... with 1.6.2 even I'm not able to boot, after update to latest rawhide KDE are running now but... in qemu-kvm the same
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:59:57] <lvillani>	(mainly kopete and kontact)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [18:59:57] <svahl>	rdieter: here it is bug #464853
[Di Okt 14 2008] [19:00:00] <buggbot>	Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=464853 medium, medium, ---, airlied@redhat.com, CLOSED RAWHIDE, Right side of windows not updated
[Di Okt 14 2008] [19:00:18] <rdieter>	svahl: I saw that initially too, but it's fixed now.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [19:00:33] <svahl>	yes, the fix should be in tomorrows rawhide.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [19:00:55] <svahl>	I wasn't able to test it yet (with koji package)
[Di Okt 14 2008] [19:01:05] <rdieter>	really?  my latest 'yum update' from yesterday or the day before seemed to have fixed it. ?
[Di Okt 14 2008] [19:01:17] <svahl>	mhh. Maybe I have to recheck
[Di Okt 14 2008] [19:01:20] <rdieter>	well, I'll verify that when I get home.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [19:02:06] <rdieter>	ok, time's up... KDE SIG Meeting end.
[Di Okt 14 2008] [19:02:08] <rdieter>	thanks all