[Di Feb 12 2008] [17:26:29] KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-12 -- Init [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:26:37] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-12 -- Init". [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:27:07] who's present today? ping: svahl, than, foo* :) [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:27:24] present [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:28:07] may be small and cozy today. [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:28:15] present [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:28:22] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-12 -- knetworkmanager". [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:28:29] ok, topic 1: knetworkmanager [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:28:44] looks like we've got an initial build of knetworkmanager-0.7 in rawhide. [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:29:02] it's got some rough edges, but kinda sorta works. :) [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:29:11] dgilmore: comments? [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:29:21] oh. great! [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:30:07] rdieter: it barely works [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:30:24] right now you have to configure a wired profile [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:30:41] and you have to manually switch between wired/wireless [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:30:52] and wireless you need to manually configure each time [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:30:58] It really is not useable [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:31:01] fwiw, for me, I had to manually configure my wireless profile too a bit to get it to work too. [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:31:34] there is no vpn support [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:32:06] but it does work [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:32:18] as-is, certainly not a viable candidate for inclusion in f9-final, but we've got time for that to be sorted out. [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:32:24] i really dont like the applet per interface + control applet [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:32:34] depending on if there's any (active) development going on to address these issues. [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:32:47] i did ask on the knetworkmanager devel list about it but got zero response [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:34:30] ok, I think that pretty much sums up the state of affairs here.... move on? [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:36:01] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-12 -- PolicyKit integration, http://bugzilla.redhat.com/428212". [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:36:09] topic 2: PolicyKit integration, http://bugzilla.redhat.com/428212 [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:37:20] just a heads-up here, we just need to find someone (@ fedora or @kde) to help implement this currently-missing PolKit support. [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:37:59] Kevin could probably comment more, but he's not avail today.... [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:38:03] any other comments? [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:38:22] that was my intention when putting this to the agenda. It's sad that Kevin isnt' here [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:39:18] it happens, we can discuss it more on-list(s), during the week... [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:39:42] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-12 -- missing former KDE 3 packages (kmid, kaudiocreator, ksig, konq-plugins)". [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:39:54] I'll skip forward a bit... :) missing former KDE 3 packages (kmid, kaudiocreator, ksig, [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:40:05] svahl: you've been busy on that, how's it going? [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:40:44] kmid and kaudiocreator are building fine. But I've never used kmid (and also don't know how to do so :) ). And kaudiocreator is always crashing at startup [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:41:14] don't know about ksig and konq-plugins. It seems nobody started the work here [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:41:52] oh. and all of them don't have a released version, yet. They are all svn versions [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:42:35] For kaudiocreator: I'll try to ping upstream about the crashing [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:42:50] well, this is still rawhide afterall. If their usefulness doesn't improve over time, we can always omit them from f9-final. [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:43:23] does it make sense to have the old kde3 (kmid, kaudiocreator, ksig)? [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:43:50] sure. but kaudiocreator should at least start. And someone has to explain to me, what a midi tracker does :) [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:44:19] than: sure, I had been intending on making a kdemultimedia3 (compat) pkg anyway. [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:44:44] rdieter: ive been trying to work out why twinkle crashes plasma [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:45:31] in my opinion we only ship old kde3 stuff which are really needed ! [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:46:18] than: nod, my original intents were to include only the arts plugins. [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:48:07] * rdieter has been using k3b for cd-ripping lately (instead of kaudiocreator) [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:48:21] ok, move on (short on time today). [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:48:39] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-12 -- compiz-kde". [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:49:28] All I know is that compiz-kde had broken deps awhile back, and is potentially deprecated with kwin/desktop-effects. [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:49:29] svahl? [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:49:37] latest compiz-kde is broken due to missing libkdedecorations.so. And the kde-desktop-effects-script.sh needs to be updated [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:50:02] I take it the compiz folks aren't working on this? [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:50:08] I haven't had the time to look into that. If someone volunteers, feel free to do so [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:50:20] I don't know [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:52:00] Maybe we should also evaluate if we even ship the script in f9 [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:52:06] afaict, desktop-effects-script.sh should (still) work as as-is, what's the problem (beyond the current broken dep)? [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:52:28] compiz is still compiz, and kwin is still kwin. ?? [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:52:34] the inclusion of kwin's desktop effects [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:53:00] I think we can still offer the ability for kde users to use compiz, if that's what the *really* want. [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:55:30] sure. But with only supporting compiz we maybe should arrange the namings [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:57:13] in the least: s/desktop effects/compiz/ or s/desktop effects/compiz desktop effects/ [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:58:03] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-12 -- Last preparations before Feature Freeze (4 March 2008)". [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:58:07] last topic: Last preparations before Feature Freeze (4 March 2008) [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:59:06] is there's something we shouldn't miss? [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:59:34] big picture, I think we're doing great. [Di Feb 12 2008] [17:59:59] details: try integrating, packaging more kde4 apps. [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:00:14] rdieter: kde4 qt4 [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:00:24] dgilmore: ? [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:00:42] one to consider: koffice2 [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:00:55] rdieter: things like eric get the qt4 based version in which we did [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:01:09] it seems kde4 help doesn't work. can someone reproduce it? [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:01:38] than: konsoles handbook just opened for me [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:02:05] than: confirmed, kde help center is empty. ?? [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:02:36] it should be fixed [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:02:54] it's on my todo list [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:02:59] than: thx! [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:03:13] rdieter: np :) [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:03:28] just a reminder, when/if issues like that are found, bz them, at least for tracking purposes, so we know what issues exist and who's working on them. [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:03:54] and so we can celebrate when fixes happen. :) [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:04:08] alright, times up for today, thanks all. [Di Feb 12 2008] [18:04:13] KDE SIG Meeting End. 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