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| quaid | <meeting id="Websites_team"> | 13:17 |
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| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Websites meeting :: late start | 13:17 | |
| quaid | Websites/Tasks | 13:17 |
| ke4qqq | I'll show up I suppose | 13:17 |
| quaid | ok, then, looking around the room and at that task list ... | 13:17 |
| quaid | skip first item ... | 13:17 |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Websites meeting :: CMS solution for Fedora Project websites | 13:18 | |
| quaid | hey, that's my item! | 13:18 |
| quaid | g put up a test instace of Drupal, as a good example that matches current scope | 13:18 |
| quaid | ... I haven't tried anything with it, directly, and admit to being a bit stuck with the size of this wad to chew :) | 13:19 |
| quaid | CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites | 13:19 |
| quaid | my personal goal is to improve Docs publishing process for F10 | 13:19 |
| quaid | and to hopefully do something that is repeatable for other use cases. | 13:19 |
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| quaid | status -- I need to update the schedule to reflect some slips, mainly due to lame project management most likely | 13:20 |
| quaid | also, I need to reevaluate interest in the project and scale :) | 13:20 |
| quaid | <eoreport> | 13:20 |
| * quaid waits a minute for that to absorb in, any questions? | 13:21 | |
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| quaid | honestly ... it's less as schedule slip overall and more a need to really get some "approval" on the solution requirements | 13:22 |
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| quaid | hey smooge | 13:22 |
| smooge | hey quaid | 13:22 |
| quaid | a question I have is: | 13:22 |
| smooge | how are things | 13:22 |
| quaid | who decides CMS stuff that impacts Infra and Websites? | 13:22 |
| quaid | smooge: pretty good, actually | 13:23 |
| quaid | ricky: for example, I feel like I'm heading us down a path that really needs Infra's support. | 13:23 |
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| quaid | ok, that's dragged enough, eh? | 13:25 |
| quaid | anything more? | 13:25 |
| quaid | Action: quaid to get Infra approval on solution requirements and final solution | 13:26 |
| quaid | next item ... | 13:26 |
| quaid | I don't see ylynfatt about? | 13:26 |
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| quaid | ok, if tw2113 turns up (just pinged him in #fedora-websites), we'll return to docs.fp.o | 13:27 |
| quaid | (look & feel) | 13:27 |
| mizmo-busy | tw2113 headed out a few minutes ago | 13:28 |
| quaid | ah, ok | 13:28 |
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| quaid | mizmo-busy: got time to talk about MyFedora, we could skip ahead to spins.fp.o too | 13:28 |
| mizmo-busy | quaid, working on it right now, j5 had a test server up for a while and it was looking very swanky but, its been down for the past few days | 13:29 |
| mizmo-busy | i dont think he's in today | 13:29 |
| ricky | quaid: Has docs narrowed down to a choice that fits their requirements? | 13:29 |
| J5 | ya, it's up again | 13:29 |
| mizmo-busy | im working on show/hide javascript for the widgets in the right column | 13:29 |
| mizmo-busy | J5, oh there u are | 13:29 |
| J5 | one of my files wan't checked in | 13:29 |
| mizmo-busy | yay | 13:29 |
| J5 | some cool stuff to look at | 13:30 |
| ricky | Oop, sorry to interrupt myfedora stuff (just got back) | 13:30 |
| quaid | ricky: nope; we in fact should be quite easy, just about any CMS will work for hosting $any_doc | 13:30 |
| ricky | What about workflow requirements? | 13:30 |
| ricky | When there's one choice that docs is definitely happy with, then infra discussion would be the next step | 13:30 |
| quaid | ricky: CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites#Must_have | 13:30 |
| quaid | J5: are you sharing URLs? :) | 13:31 |
| * quaid tries the obvious ... | 13:31 | |
| ricky | Have members of docs test-driven any yet? That could be a good idea to find potential problems | 13:31 |
| J5 | quaid: it's internal right now until we can deploy it on a test server but https://rapier.bos.redhat.com/community | 13:32 |
| J5 | I'm hoping ot have a beta up by F10 Beta | 13:32 |
| * quaid pretends like he's not looking and is waiting piously for an external showing | 13:32 | |
| ricky | Heh | 13:32 |
| mizmo-busy | we need a cool name for it | 13:32 |
| mizmo-busy | right now it's called Fedora Community | 13:32 |
| J5 | I like that | 13:33 |
| quaid | ricky: good iterative call, sure; I was driving the list from the master level, but I suppose we could just yay/nay from a simple @Docs perspective. | 13:33 |
| mizmo-busy | but its too generic a name maybe, not easily searched | 13:33 |
| J5 | moksha is the name of the engine behind it | 13:33 |
| ricky | J5: I can't see that, so is that running the code in the myfedora git repo? | 13:33 |
| J5 | ricky: ya | 13:33 |
| ricky | Ah, cool | 13:33 |
| J5 | ricky: there is a script to get a virtual env | 13:33 |
| * ricky notes that pt15 is built with a test FAS instance | 13:34 | |
| J5 | ricky: tg2 branch though | 13:34 |
| ricky | Ah | 13:34 |
| J5 | we need all the tg2 modules built as rpms in the infrastructure repo | 13:34 |
| J5 | I was going to look into it once my self imposed feature freeze took effect | 13:35 |
| J5 | it might already be there as part of the tg2 work being done for Fedora | 13:35 |
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| quaid | ok, from all of that I see ... | 13:37 |
| quaid | My Fedora is on a schedule, with a target of showing a running instance by F10 Beta | 13:37 |
| ricky | Release early, release often :-) | 13:38 |
| quaid | on the other side of the room ... | 13:38 |
| quaid | Action: quaid is going to rally Docs people to test drive a small set of CMSes + any others that meet criteria; this is before involving Infra | 13:38 |
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| quaid | anything else on those dual topics? | 13:39 |
| smooge | ShadowMan's Pad is probably too far of a name | 13:39 |
| quaid | mizmo-busy: how are your feelings about alignment of our Fedora CSSes? | 13:39 |
| mizmo-busy | quaid, well | 13:40 |
| mizmo-busy | quaid, ive had to override a few things i dont think i should have to when doing the my fedora 'chrome' css sheet | 13:40 |
| mizmo-busy | quaid, so i think there may be some too-specific styles in the main fedora css sheet that should be played around with | 13:40 |
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| mizmo-busy | quaid, but generally i think it's working well | 13:41 |
| mizmo-busy | quaid, i've separated any my-fedora specific branding bits into one sheet | 13:41 |
| mizmo-busy | and the chrome sheet thus far i think is going to be suitably generic for anyone wanting to make a fedora app to be able t use | 13:41 |
| quaid | mizmo-busy: do we need to separate out a task to get the CSS aligned and some guidelines or policy set? maybe form a working group to fly to Zurich for the week and "hammer out the details"? | 13:41 |
| mizmo-busy | ...fly to Zurich? | 13:42 |
| quaid | sorry, got away from myself | 13:42 |
| mizmo-busy | hehe | 13:42 |
| quaid | forgot to KISS | 13:42 |
| mizmo-busy | im slow today | 13:42 |
| mizmo-busy | well | 13:42 |
| mizmo-busy | its on my to-do list to write up a set of guidelines once the chrome sheet is finished | 13:42 |
| smooge | could we do a working group at say a Phoenix resort instead? | 13:42 |
| mizmo-busy | so i think it would be good to set it up as a websites tasks | 13:42 |
| mizmo-busy | more kicks in the pants, more likelihood ill get 'er done :) | 13:43 |
| mizmo-busy | smooge, tokyo!!!! | 13:43 |
| quaid | smooge: part of the "elite working group" is that you are apparently an extraverted jetsetter | 13:43 |
| mizmo-busy | nihongo ni ikitai desu yo | 13:43 |
| mizmo-busy | er | 13:43 |
| mizmo-busy | nihon ni | 13:43 |
| * quaid adds as a task so it don't be forgotten | 13:43 | |
| mizmo-busy | sigh | 13:43 |
| mizmo-busy | i think im sick, dont get too close to my side of the irc room | 13:44 |
| quaid | ok, deal | 13:45 |
| quaid | did you want to hit spins? | 13:45 |
| mizmo-busy | spins hasn't made any progress :( | 13:45 |
| mizmo-busy | from my end at least | 13:45 |
| quaid | it's noted as backburned | 13:46 |
| mizmo-busy | that sounds painful | 13:46 |
| mizmo-busy | like when i go to the beach | 13:46 |
| quaid | quite | 13:46 |
| quaid | even with the flame low | 13:46 |
| quaid | is there anything here that someone else could pick up? help with? | 13:46 |
| mizmo-busy | well | 13:47 |
| mizmo-busy | i think the sitemap is well-defined | 13:47 |
| mizmo-busy | i think the next step is to wireframe out all the various involved pages, listed out on the sitemap | 13:47 |
| mizmo-busy | if someone else could pick that up, good progress could be made | 13:47 |
| quaid | kanarip: do you know of anyone (in Spins SIG? Design?) who could do that? | 13:47 |
| mizmo-busy | im focusing on my fedora for now though, i can pick spins back up once i fleshed my fedora out more. the 'chrome' from my fedora could be used for spins | 13:47 |
| smooge | oooooh I could go for Tokyo if we get to stop by the Studio Ghibli Museum | 13:48 |
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| quaid | mizmo-busy: understood, thanks; if the SIG is interested, perhaps a request for help from them on f-websites-l would be good | 13:49 |
| kanarip | "wireframe out all the involved pages"? | 13:49 |
| smooge | actually lets book that as our meeting place. We can do the website in the spirit of Totoro and giant Bakeneko. [And I am definately sick..] | 13:49 |
| quaid | mizmo-busy: do you have a wireframe example? | 13:50 |
| mizmo-busy | yep one sec | 13:50 |
| mizmo-busy | smooge, oh by sick i mean, literally sick, ive got some kind of migraine and vertigo going on | 13:50 |
| quaid | ick | 13:50 |
| mizmo-busy | kanarip, quaid: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58599.html the one on the bottom there is an example of a wireframe | 13:51 |
| quaid | mizmo-busy: as it happens, we can stop buggin' ya | 13:51 |
| smooge | mizmo-busy, me too | 13:51 |
| quaid | unless you had anything more of your own ... | 13:51 |
| smooge | My wife just siad I have to go to bed soon.. I have 101 fever | 13:51 |
| mizmo-busy | thhe svg for the wirireframe is here Websites/Spins/Wireframes | 13:51 |
| kanarip | ah, so that's a wireframe | 13:52 |
| mizmo-busy | for anyone who wants to take it up | 13:52 |
| mizmo-busy | smoogg, i wonder if we have the same bbu | 13:52 |
| quaid | smooge: I feel worse at 101F than at 103F | 13:52 |
| mizmo-busy | bug | 13:52 |
| smooge | kanarip, I was thinking it was what a 3d layout | 13:52 |
| smooge | mizmo-busy, possibly... we had it go around work last week | 13:52 |
| smooge | hopefully you aren't in the office | 13:53 |
| mizmo-busy | 1st documented case of infection via IRC! | 13:53 |
| mizmo-busy | im not :) | 13:53 |
| quaid | kanarip: so, someone could take that SVG and make multiple copies for all of the pages, then adjust | 13:53 |
| smooge | thats good.. | 13:53 |
| kanarip | i'm not sure whether i can actually improve the wireframe that is up there | 13:53 |
| mizmo-busy | kanarip, we need wireframes for all the other pages in the sitemap | 13:53 |
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| quaid | kanarip: I think ... | 13:54 |
| kanarip | quaid, ah, so the point is to use that wireframe and make a mock-up of all actual pages? | 13:54 |
| quaid | kanarip: the idea is to capture changes on subsequent pages | 13:54 |
| mizmo-busy | Websites/Spins/SiteMap | 13:54 |
| mizmo-busy | one per node | 13:54 |
| kanarip | can i eliminate a few? | 13:54 |
| kanarip | off the sitemap that is? | 13:55 |
| quaid | question kanarip | 13:55 |
| quaid | are they functional to the way the spins app work? | 13:56 |
| quaid | or are they user interface? | 13:56 |
| quaid | if the former, it sounds like a Spins SIG and app developer question, no? | 13:56 |
| kanarip | well, supposedly... everything interactive can be eliminated if we're talking F10 | 13:56 |
| quaid | and if the latter, then perhaps there is Websites/design input | 13:56 |
| kanarip | browse, search, hit, read, download, feedback, and that's it, maybe | 13:57 |
| quaid | oh, I just say, "Make me a spin for my Grandma," and it does it? cool | 13:57 |
| mizmo-busy | kanarip, feel free to just mock up the wireframes needed in priority order | 13:57 |
| kanarip | mizmo-busy, right | 13:57 |
| smooge | so while I was out sick... did we make a list of CMS's we were looking at? | 13:57 |
| mizmo-busy | kanarip, so if you know only certain areas of functionality are going to be covered for a given milestones absolutely drop the other ones | 13:57 |
| smooge | quaid, no you have to say "sudo make me a spin for Grandma" | 13:57 |
| kanarip | what's the level of detail on such wireframe? example yada yada text? | 13:58 |
| mizmo-busy | can i has pony spin? | 13:58 |
| kanarip | no. | 13:58 |
| kanarip | ;-) | 13:58 |
| mizmo-busy | kanarip, you could look to the example as a guide... generally i like to put what types of data are going in that area | 13:58 |
| mizmo-busy | kanarip, like, "alphabetical list of pony-related spins goes here" | 13:58 |
| kanarip | right | 13:58 |
| mizmo-busy | or "search results go here" | 13:59 |
| mizmo-busy | that kind of thing | 13:59 |
| kanarip | with 7 spins... categorizing is not even an option yet | 13:59 |
| mizmo-busy | it can be fleshed out more once the high-fidelity mockups are done | 13:59 |
| mizmo-busy | i need to recruit more ranchers to fedora, then we'll have pony spins | 13:59 |
| quaid | smooge: no specific list exists, just a list of requirements | 13:59 |
| smooge | ok.. I am trying out django as a complete newbie.. | 14:00 |
| quaid | Fedora Pony Farm Edition | 14:00 |
| kanarip | well... i can try... and try and get some other people involved... | 14:00 |
| smooge | ooooh that would be too popular | 14:00 |
| kanarip | but this most definitely is not my cup of tea just so you know ;-) | 14:00 |
| quaid | kanarip: the thing is ... | 14:00 |
| quaid | kanarip: not knowing the other priorities | 14:01 |
| kanarip | i might end up spending 3 hours on some obscure GUI picture thing editor i don't know | 14:01 |
| kanarip | only to create a box or something | 14:01 |
| quaid | kanarip: is it worth it to you to ask on the list and do a little project management of help to get them in the right direction? | 14:01 |
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| kanarip | quaid, i can do that | 14:01 |
| mizmo-busy | kanarip, we have quite a lot of art team applicants now needing work to do ;) | 14:02 |
| quaid | esp if you want to change the workflow with specific changes, etc. | 14:02 |
| kanarip | is that right? art-list goes in CC: ;-) | 14:02 |
| mizmo-busy | kanarip, even if per page a written description of what info is available on the page, what the page does in some details, that would make it easy for an art contributor to get the wireframe done | 14:02 |
| mizmo-busy | writeup doesnt require inksacpe muscles | 14:03 |
| kanarip | right, that's something i can do | 14:03 |
| * kanarip no muscles | 14:03 | |
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| quaid | ooh, good point mizmo-busy | 14:03 |
| * quaid {heart} Inkscape ENOTIME | 14:04 | |
| quaid | whoops, segfault trying to start up Inkscape in my heart | 14:04 |
| kanarip | so this is on me: gather some people from art sig / spin sig willing to work on getting some mock-up pages as listed in the site map and get them in before... when exactly? | 14:04 |
| quaid | kanarip: you set the date? | 14:04 |
| quaid | how about this | 14:04 |
| quaid | work backward from F10 release, when do you want people testing stuff, etc. | 14:05 |
| kanarip | well, since i'm not at all aiming for all kinds of interactivity in the spins.fp.o for F10... | 14:05 |
| kanarip | i just want it to look *awesome* | 14:05 |
| kanarip | do we have another meeting next monday? | 14:06 |
| quaid | yep | 14:06 |
| * quaid sees we are a bit overtime | 14:07 | |
| quaid | kanarip: I'll note that you'll give us a due date.status stuff next week? | 14:07 |
| kanarip | ok, let me get back at you then about who it is that is going to do the inkscape muscle work for which pages over the following two weeks | 14:07 |
| kanarip | doable? | 14:07 |
| kanarip | so it should be done and "ready" for further work on October 13th? | 14:08 |
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| kanarip | (i'm not sure what kind of time inkscape muscle guys have available, but i'm confident something could be whipped up over the next 3 weeks, right?) | 14:09 |
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| quaid | kanarip: sounds OK over here, although we'll have to see if anyone is taking the hand-off on that exact schedule | 14:09 |
| quaid | kanarip: ha! tvujec always says, "Ask a developer how long something will take, he always says, 'A week.'"" | 14:10 |
| kanarip | quaid, then triple it | 14:10 |
| quaid | exactly | 14:10 |
| kanarip | and triple the costs | 14:10 |
| kanarip | that's standard prince2 | 14:11 |
| kanarip | well... "standard" | 14:11 |
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| quaid | ok,t hen | 14:12 |
| quaid | I'm going to close | 14:12 |
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| quaid | we'll have to look at the other tasks on list | 14:13 |
| quaid | and next week and such | 14:13 |
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| quaid | if there is nothing else pressing ... | 14:13 |
| quaid | ok! | 14:13 |
| quaid | </meeting> | 14:13 |
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