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Attendees
People present (lines said)
- jlaska (110)
- kparal (27)
- jskladan (24)
- adamw (15)
- maxamillion (15)
- wwoods (5)
- zodbot (4)
- fenris02 (2)
- mkrizek_home (1)
- jsmith (1)
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Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- jlaska will ask Hurry whether adding some amount of installer validation or installer bug verification is possible
F14 Test status
Consult schedule for remaining QA tasks
- Owner - AdamW, Hurry
- Summary
- Oct 01 - Hosted first F14Blocker review meeting last week - http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2010-10-01/f-14-blocker-review.2010-10-01-16.00.log.html
- Oct 07 - Fedora 14 acceptance test run planned (see
rel-eng ticket#4140and results) - Oct 08 - F14Blocker review meeting planned (see recap)
- Next steps...
- VERIFY ON_QA or MODIFIED F14Blocker bugs
- Complete F14 pre-RC acceptance test (posting results and recap)
- Actively discuss bugs and testing on test@lists.fedoraproject.org
- Upcoming milestones ...
- Oct 14 - F14Blocker TC1 test run planned (see
rel-eng ticket#4162) - Oct 21 - F14Blocker RC1 test run planned (see
rel-eng ticket#4166) - Oct 26 - F-14 Go/No Go meeting (see Go_No_Go_Meeting)
F14 Test Days
Oct 14 - OpenLDAP and nss
- Owner - jzeleny, jvcelak, rmeggins, omoris
- Summary
- Wiki page available - Test_Day:2010-10-14_OpenLDAP/NSS
- Kparal notes the devel+qe folks are very active for this event
- Posted to test-announce
- Next steps...
- Some wiki modifications needed, kparal noted wiki updates were expected shortly
AutoQA update
- Owner - User:kparal, User:wwoods
- Summary
- jskladan drafted a proof-of-concept generic testplan frontend
- kparal 2010-10-11 update
- Next steps...
- wwoods complete depcheck blog series
- kparal to create depcheck wiki test case using instructions provided by wwoods' depcheck blog series
- Monitor and discuss upgradepath topic during next FESCO meeting (see
fesco ticket#474) - Review resultsdb patchset for master
- Wwoods integrating mash into depcheck test
F-14 Nice-to-have Proposal
- Owner - AdamW
- Summary
- Adam sent a nice-to-have proposal to the list for feedback (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-September/093833.html)
- It seems to be working out fine so far, we reviewed and accepted several NTH bugs at the blocker review meeting
- Next steps...
- AdamW expecting to integrate wiki pages any minute
Open discussion - <Your topic here>
Action items
- jlaska - check-in on https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/135
IRC Transcript
| jlaska | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting | 15:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Oct 11 15:00:03 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
| jlaska | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
| jlaska | #topic Gathering ... | 15:00 |
| * maxamillion is here | 15:00 | |
| jlaska | iirc adamw is out today ... canadian holiday | 15:00 |
| jlaska | hey maxa! | 15:00 |
| maxamillion | ($boss cancelled my conflicting meeting, so I finally get to attend a QA Meeting!) | 15:00 |
| * kparal | 15:01 | |
| * jskladan is here :) | 15:01 | |
| * jsmith is travelling back from UTOSC, and will lose internet access shortly | 15:01 | |
| jlaska | kparal: jskladan: jsmith: greetings all | 15:01 |
| * jlaska whispers wwoods summoning spell | 15:02 | |
| mkrizek_home | I am here, I have to multitask though (math lecture:)) | 15:02 |
| jlaska | mkrizek_home: oh goodness :) | 15:02 |
| * adamw is definitely not here | 15:03 | |
| jlaska | adamw: you should be giving thanks! | 15:03 |
| adamw | given 'em | 15:03 |
| adamw | they were small | 15:03 |
| * jlaska figures that's just adamwbot responding | 15:03 | |
| adamw | *beep* | 15:03 |
| jlaska | alright, let's get started | 15:03 |
| jlaska | #chair kparal | 15:03 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: jlaska kparal | 15:03 |
| jlaska | kparal: hopefully no objections, but I may need your help closing out the meeting again | 15:04 |
| kparal | of course | 15:04 |
| jlaska | #info agenda available on the list -- http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-October/094537.html | 15:04 |
| jlaska | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | 15:04 |
| jlaska | #info jlaska will ask Hurry whether adding some amount of installer validation or installer bug verification is possible | 15:05 |
| jlaska | Hurry and Newgle are back from holiday, and will be jumping into the F-14-Final testing as planned | 15:05 |
| jlaska | I'll save the remaining part of the action item for discussion shortly | 15:06 |
| jlaska | basically just a ping to the list ot help work down our ON_QA queue and more | 15:06 |
| jlaska | that's all I had from last week | 15:06 |
| jlaska | anything I missed? | 15:06 |
| jlaska | #topic F-14-Final Testing | 15:06 |
| jlaska | adamw: I was assuming you'd be out today, but your welcome to talk through this | 15:07 |
| jlaska | #info Oct 08 - blocker review meeting held last Friday (see http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2010-10-08/fedora-bugzappers.2010-10-08-15.59.html) | 15:08 |
| adamw | i was really just hovering in case anything important comes up | 15:09 |
| jlaska | okay ... | 15:09 |
| adamw | but yeah, we had the blocker review, we have another next week | 15:09 |
| adamw | we just did a RATS run (right?), and we have TC1 due tomorrow | 15:09 |
| jlaska | #info Oct 07 - Fedora 14 RC acceptance test run planned (see rel-eng ticket#4140) | 15:09 |
| fenris02 | the tc1 on alt.fp.o is pre-tc1? | 15:09 |
| jlaska | yeah ... Newgle was out, so I'm collecting results now. I've asked for his help to summarize testing to the list | 15:09 |
| adamw | it was meant to me the acceptance test image | 15:09 |
| adamw | s/me/be/ | 15:09 |
| jlaska | fenris02: it's incorrectly named TC1 | 15:10 |
| fenris02 | ok, fair enough. | 15:10 |
| jlaska | you're welcome to test it, but there will be a *real* TC1 landing this week | 15:10 |
| jlaska | #info I pulled together a query of the MODIFIED and ON_QA F14Blocker and F14-accepted bugs -- http://tinyurl.com/3235yah | 15:10 |
| jlaska | For folks looking for a relatively quick way to get involved and help move things forward, validating ON_QA blocker bugs is a good way to get started | 15:11 |
| adamw | also, writing kernel patches | 15:11 |
| jlaska | and as adamw notes, we have the scheduled TC1 release validation test run starting this week | 15:12 |
| jlaska | #info Oct 12 - F-14-Final TC1 validation starts | 15:12 |
| jlaska | adamw: kernel patches, that doesn't strike me as a low barrier to entry :) | 15:12 |
| adamw | pfah, it's easy. they especially love submissions in Microsoft Word format | 15:13 |
| jlaska | adamw: be sure to add the text "Reviewed by: awilliam" | 15:13 |
| jlaska | okay, anything else on F-14-Final testing? | 15:13 |
| adamw | not that I can think of | 15:14 |
| jlaska | Please keep communicating issues and potential bugs to the list | 15:14 |
| jlaska | alrighty ... next up ... | 15:14 |
| jlaska | #topic F-14 Test Days | 15:14 |
| * jlaska notes ... just got a message from wwoods ... he's having VPN connection issues | 15:14 | |
| jlaska | #info Oct 14 - OpenLDAP with NSS - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-10-14_OpenLDAP/NSS | 15:15 |
| jlaska | kparal: thanks for sending out a test day announcement ... quite early as well! | 15:15 |
| jlaska | I still see a few FIXME's on the test day wiki page | 15:16 |
| kparal | jlaska: the openldap guys wanted to send it even several days earlier :) | 15:16 |
| kparal | the FIXMEs will be hopefully solved soon | 15:17 |
| jlaska | anything they need help with? | 15:17 |
| jlaska | sounds like they are 'aware' and wiki updates coming soon... | 15:17 |
| kparal | I might help them to create LiveCDs | 15:17 |
| kparal | apart from that they handle everything on their own | 15:18 |
| jlaska | alright, thanks for keeping in touch with them | 15:18 |
| jlaska | of course, give a holler if you need help creating/hosting images | 15:18 |
| kparal | will do | 15:18 |
| * jlaska would like to have a positive contribution to hosting test day images this release :) | 15:18 | |
| jlaska | also to note ... this is our last scheduled test day | 15:19 |
| jlaska | if anyone wants to schedule another event, please let us know (fedora-qa ticket or test@ mailing list) | 15:19 |
| jlaska | which reminds me, there was a request for a dual-boot test day | 15:19 |
| jlaska | I'll re-ping on that topic to see if that would make sense for F-15 (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/135) | 15:20 |
| jlaska | #action jlaska - check-in on https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/135 | 15:20 |
| jlaska | #topic AutoQA package acceptance update | 15:20 |
| jlaska | kparal guide us through the autoqa wilderness please! | 15:20 |
| kparal | ok, so, there were a few new patches in autoqa last week | 15:21 |
| kparal | the email results should now contain a traceback in case the test case crashed | 15:21 |
| kparal | we now catch errors even in setup() method | 15:22 |
| jlaska | #info Email test results now include detailed traceback | 15:22 |
| kparal | jlaska helped to update some documentation | 15:22 |
| jlaska | kparal: there were 2 more outsanding docs tickets | 15:22 |
| jlaska | I think I'd need some guidance on those | 15:22 |
| kparal | and there will be more tickets soon, that's for sure :) | 15:23 |
| jlaska | #link https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=Outdated+documentation | 15:23 |
| jlaska | kparal: heh, c'mon ... documentation is self-updating :P | 15:23 |
| kparal | but now, we have a milestone for outdated documentation, an idea of jskladan | 15:23 |
| kparal | wwoods: you're here now? | 15:24 |
| kparal | wwoods: I don't want to post your updates, if you're really here :) | 15:24 |
| * jlaska suspects he's behind a steering wheel at the moment ... heading into the office at a high rate of speed | 15:24 | |
| kparal | ok, so wwoods posted a first blogpost of his highly desired 'depcheck series': http://qa-rockstar.livejournal.com/10187.html | 15:25 |
| kparal | more to come, he says | 15:25 |
| jlaska | maxamillion this topic is meant as a check-in for how AutoQA is progressing towards automating the package update acceptance plan (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan) | 15:25 |
| jlaska | #link http://qa-rockstar.livejournal.com/10187.html | 15:25 |
| jlaska | kparal: I just saw part#2 hit the planet a moment ago | 15:25 |
| kparal | great! | 15:25 |
| jlaska | #link http://qa-rockstar.livejournal.com/10368.html | 15:26 |
| maxamillion | jlaska: ah! thanks :D | 15:26 |
| kparal | the current plan is to make depcheck post karma comments to bodhi | 15:26 |
| kparal | expect this in the following weeks | 15:26 |
| maxamillion | oooo | 15:26 |
| maxamillion | that'd be cool | 15:26 |
| kparal | and jskladan has some more updates, let's hear him: | 15:26 |
| * jlaska imagines kparal handing the microphone off to jskladan | 15:27 | |
| jlaska | #info the current plan is to make depcheck post karma comments to bodhi | 15:27 |
| jskladan | ok, so i've done some research on the turbogears2 front, and created simple proof-of-concept 'generic frontend' which can show results of testplans, if given metadata in proper format | 15:27 |
| * jskladan searching for the mail | 15:27 | |
| jlaska | jskladan: oooh, goodie! | 15:27 |
| jskladan | this thread: https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-September/001187.html | 15:28 |
| jskladan | so basically, you can specify a structure of the testplan like this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jskladan/Sandbox:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan_Metadata | 15:28 |
| jskladan | and if resultsdb has the required data, it can show the results | 15:28 |
| jskladan | (beware, this is ugly!) http://test1185.test.redhat.com:8080/?envr=openssh-5.4p1-3.fc13 | 15:29 |
| jlaska | jskladan: can you screenshot that? | 15:29 |
| maxamillion | jskladan: that appears to be inside the firewall | 15:29 |
| jlaska | jskladan: since not everyone can see on the .redhat.com network | 15:29 |
| jskladan | gimme a moment :) | 15:29 |
| maxamillion | jlaska: +1 | 15:29 |
| jlaska | while jskladan is screenshot'ing ... just to note something that didn't make sense to me initially, but jskladan cleared it up | 15:31 |
| jskladan | http://jskladan.fedorapeople.org/ResultsDB%20Package%20Acceptance%20Test%20Plan.html | 15:31 |
| jlaska | the wiki structure posted earlier (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jskladan/Sandbox:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan_Metadata) allows anyone to define how autoqa test results will be grouped and organized for a particular test plan | 15:31 |
| jlaska | jskladan: thanks! | 15:31 |
| maxamillion | jskladan: ah, very cool | 15:32 |
| jskladan | yes, so if you had an access to the internal site (shame on me), you could play around with that metadata | 15:32 |
| jlaska | jskladan: that shows a lot of possibilities | 15:32 |
| * wwoods here, reading scrollback | 15:32 | |
| jlaska | wwoods: hey! | 15:33 |
| maxamillion | jskladan: so ... question, where is the code that performs the test that produces that output? (or is that output generated off resultsdb?) | 15:33 |
| jskladan | for example, if you'd remove the rpmlint from 'mandatory' group, it would disappear from the frontend... same for the 'group results' etc. | 15:33 |
| jskladan | maxamillion: not really sure about your question | 15:33 |
| maxamillion | jskladan: did I word it badly? (I'm really good at that) | 15:34 |
| jskladan | maxamillion: do you want to know "what creates the webpage" or "what provides the results shown on that page"? | 15:35 |
| maxamillion | jskladan: what provides the results shown on that page? | 15:35 |
| jskladan | the results will be stored in the resultsdb automagically right from the autoqa | 15:35 |
| maxamillion | ah, ok | 15:35 |
| maxamillion | good stuff :) | 15:35 |
| jskladan | (the changes are in the jskladan branch of autqa git, mmnt) | 15:36 |
| jskladan | http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=autoqa.git;a=commit;h=46b4019b7608a7947bbda27c0219b67698985841 | 15:36 |
| jskladan | basically this | 15:36 |
| jlaska | how do you guys want to handle that code? Should we hold off until merging until after depcheck is completed? | 15:37 |
| jlaska | or before? | 15:37 |
| wwoods | maxamillion: so autoqa tests report to resultsdb, and then we have test plan metadata that says "show results for these tests: [...]" | 15:37 |
| jskladan | wwoods: exactly | 15:37 |
| wwoods | and an autoqa *frontend* will read that metadata, pull the appropriate results out of resultsdb, and show them to you | 15:37 |
| jskladan | wwoods: maxamillion: and that ugly web page is supposed to be that frontend | 15:38 |
| maxamillion | ah, ok | 15:38 |
| jskladan | (will be nicer, though - i'm no web designer :-/) | 15:38 |
| maxamillion | makes sense now | 15:38 |
| wwoods | heh! yep - it'll be pretty later, but making it show the right data is the first goal | 15:38 |
| * jlaska pretty jazzed by the wiki metadata potential | 15:38 | |
| jskladan | wwoods: jlaska: thanks for helpimg me out with the description of this magic :) | 15:38 |
| jlaska | jskladan: i'm still learning! | 15:39 |
| jlaska | kparal: I'm behind on the thread, but there is also an active discussion around improving rpmlint? | 15:39 |
| kparal | jlaska: there is so active discussion that right now there are 2 new messages even I haven't still read :) | 15:40 |
| jlaska | kparal: the discussion is around a method to allow maintainers to whitelist/ignore specific rpmlint test results | 15:40 |
| kparal | basically we're discussing possible ways how to store config file defining rpmlint output whitelist | 15:40 |
| jlaska | ? | 15:40 |
| jlaska | better phrased, thanks | 15:40 |
| kparal | and I'm continuously learning from that discussion | 15:41 |
| kparal | oh, 3 new messages | 15:41 |
| jlaska | +1 :) | 15:41 |
| jlaska | alright, what else on the autoqa front? | 15:42 |
| wwoods | jskladan: heh no problem - the design is a little complicated (and pretty clever, I think) so we might want a blog post or two to explain it, someday soon | 15:42 |
| jlaska | jskladan: feeling bloggy? :) | 15:42 |
| kparal | jlaska: I think we have covered almost everything | 15:42 |
| jlaska | kparal: okay ... | 15:42 |
| jskladan | jlaska: not really :-D | 15:43 |
| jlaska | oh, kparal, you mentioned you were planning to look into creating a depcheck wiki test case once wwoods posted all the depcheck blogs, anything else to add there? | 15:43 |
| jskladan | jlaska: i can try to work something out, though | 15:43 |
| jlaska | jskladan: it's tough to find the focus to crank those out | 15:43 |
| kparal | jlaska: nothing right now | 15:43 |
| jskladan | but i'll need some corrections an re-wordings from native speaker, heheh :) | 15:43 |
| jlaska | wwoods: btw ... nice posts, very imformative | 15:43 |
| jlaska | alright, thanks all ... moving on | 15:44 |
| jlaska | I had a topic from last week on the list still ... | 15:44 |
| jlaska | #topic F-14-NTH (Nice to have) proposal status | 15:44 |
| jlaska | Not sure if there is anything new on this front | 15:44 |
| jlaska | I suspect the wiki pages will move out of draft coming soon | 15:45 |
| jlaska | not sure if adamw plans to complete this before or after release | 15:45 |
| jlaska | stay tuned to the list for follow-up | 15:45 |
| jlaska | alright, everyone's favorite topic ... | 15:46 |
| jlaska | #topic Open discussion <your topic here> | 15:46 |
| adamw | i was planning to do it friday | 15:46 |
| adamw | ran out of time though | 15:46 |
| jlaska | adamw: 4+ hour meetings will do that to your day | 15:46 |
| adamw | heh | 15:46 |
| jlaska | Meetbot is hungry and wants your <topics> | 15:47 |
| jlaska | feed it | 15:47 |
| * jlaska makes sure he spelled meetbot, not meatbot | 15:47 | |
| jlaska | we'll close things out in 2 mins | 15:48 |
| jlaska | tick tock tick tock ... | 15:48 |
| jlaska | 10 seconds ... | 15:49 |
| jlaska | 5 seconds ... | 15:50 |
| jlaska | thanks all, have a great day | 15:50 |
| jlaska | good luck with continued F-14-Final testing! | 15:50 |
| jlaska | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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