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Attendees
- adamw (85)
- tflink (29)
- kparal (22)
- j_dulaney (12)
- brunowolff (10)
- zodbot (7)
- jskladan (4)
- nirik (4)
- robatino (4)
- drago01 (3)
- tk009 (2)
- Southern_Gentlem (2)
- Cerlyn (1)
- maxamillion (1)
- pschindl (1)
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- python-yourls build is now done
- The release criteria changes had now been formally proposed and several already accepted, including Xen
Final preparation
- TC1 was available and testing in progress (but x86-64 images not yet done)
- kparal was working to put together a team of Red Hat interns in his local office to help with validation testing
Upcoming QA events
- AS Alam would be presenting on QA at Fudcon Pune
- Blocker review planned for 2011-10-21
- Cloud SIG test day was planned for 2011-10-20, tflink trying to co-ordinate organization with Cloud SIG
Open discussion
- brunowolff had committed adamw's service disabling fix patch to spin-kickstarts
- adamw would co-ordinate with kernel team to plan the final release kernel build
Action Items
- adamw to check with dgilmore where we are with x86_64 iso generation
- adamw to co-ordinate with kernel team for final release build
IRC Log
| adamw | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | 15:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Oct 17 15:00:26 2011 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
| adamw | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
| adamw | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
| * tflink is here | 15:00 | |
| * jskladan is here for all the meeting fun! | 15:00 | |
| * kparal rolls | 15:00 | |
| adamw | jskladan: i think you're in the wrong place | 15:00 |
| * j_dulaney is on his phone | 15:01 | |
| jskladan | adamw: so this ain't the place where you get milk and cookies? | 15:01 |
| kparal | that's the #milk-and-cookies channel | 15:02 |
| jskladan | kparal: ah, so this must be the Beefy Miracle channel then ;-) | 15:02 |
| adamw | only if milk means 'work' and cookies means...'more work' | 15:02 |
| * pschindl is here | 15:03 | |
| jskladan | adamw: then I guess it's the right place :) | 15:03 |
| tflink | adamw: those sound like crappy milk & cookies to me | 15:03 |
| adamw | heya vita | 15:03 |
| adamw | #topic previous meeting follow up | 15:04 |
| adamw | so, let's see...I wasn't around for last week, but here's the action items... | 15:04 |
| adamw | "tflink build python-yourls for F16, F15, EL6 so we can stop dicussing this" | 15:04 |
| adamw | tflink, did you stop sucking yet? | 15:05 |
| tflink | adamw: packages built, updates submitted | 15:05 |
| adamw | #info tflink finally stopped sucking like a dyson, python-yourls is built and submitted | 15:05 |
| tflink | ... finally | 15:05 |
| tflink | wow, somebody | 15:05 |
| tflink | 's grouchy today :) | 15:05 |
| adamw | it's 8am on a monday, i'm ALWAYS grouchy ;) | 15:06 |
| adamw | 'adamw will draft release criteria change proposals and send out to test@' | 15:06 |
| adamw | did that, and we committed most of them already | 15:06 |
| adamw | #info adamw submitted the release criteria proposals that came out of recent blocker review meetings | 15:07 |
| adamw | on a related note... | 15:07 |
| adamw | 'tflink to move Xen release criterion discussion to devel@' | 15:07 |
| adamw | i believe we moved it there, moved it back, and accepted a final criterion in the end | 15:07 |
| tflink | did that, no objections from devel@ | 15:07 |
| tflink | AFAIK, you have it correct | 15:07 |
| adamw | eggscellent | 15:08 |
| adamw | #info Xen criteria discussion went to -devel, came back, and we accepted a criterion for Final | 15:08 |
| adamw | 'tflink to continue pestering Cloud SIG people about test cases and coordination' | 15:09 |
| tflink | I've been pestering, supposedly it's going to come together today or tomorrow | 15:09 |
| adamw | cool. | 15:09 |
| adamw | we do obviously need better xen test cases | 15:09 |
| tflink | yeah, I was going to send something to fedora-xen@ asking for help and testers | 15:10 |
| adamw | #info 'I've been pestering, supposedly it's going to come together today or tomorrow' | 15:10 |
| adamw | excellent...anything I missed from last week? | 15:10 |
| tflink | but I don't think that we need the xen cases for the cloud test day | 15:10 |
| tflink | oh, I did ask the cloud sig to help formalize the EC2 test cases so they aren't scattered about different wiki pages | 15:11 |
| adamw | cool | 15:11 |
| * tflink wonders where we're going to puth them in the matrix, though | 15:12 | |
| adamw | the validation matrix? or the cloud test day matrix? | 15:12 |
| tflink | the validation matrix, the test day is up to the cloud SIG | 15:13 |
| adamw | same place as the other virt tests, i guess.\ | 15:13 |
| tflink | for the short term, sure but I'm not sure that EC2 tests qualify as installation tests | 15:13 |
| tflink | either way, not something to worry about right now | 15:14 |
| adamw | sure. | 15:15 |
| adamw | #topic Final preparation | 15:15 |
| j_dulaney | Yay | 15:15 |
| adamw | well, nothing much specific to bring up here, but we're into the Final cycle now...TC1 is out and needs all validation testing run, we've spotted some issues with the metadata but most tests should be possible | 15:15 |
| * kparal has a related note | 15:15 | |
| adamw | yup? | 15:16 |
| adamw | i'm not aware of any major pending changes which would demand a tc2 unless we re-spin for the metadata issues | 15:16 |
| kparal | due to Ben Levenson's incentive, I have talked to a few local team leaders in Brno and they have agreed to lend a few of their interns for the final release validation | 15:16 |
| kparal | so I just want to note that you can expect a few more people to be reporting bugs, hopefully | 15:17 |
| kparal | (does reporting new bugs in F16 count as "hopefully"?) | 15:17 |
| adamw | kparal: that's awesome, nice move | 15:17 |
| adamw | thanks for looking after that | 15:17 |
| kparal | I will have a meeting with them tomorrow and show them how to do installation and desktop testing | 15:17 |
| j_dulaney | Kparal: indeed | 15:18 |
| kparal | end of note | 15:18 |
| j_dulaney | What sort of meta data issues are we | 15:18 |
| j_dulaney | Talking | 15:19 |
| j_dulaney | I haven.t seen any | 15:19 |
| j_dulaney | Bloody phone keyboard | 15:19 |
| kparal | is it related to missing x64 images? | 15:20 |
| adamw | missing .treeinfo and repodata | 15:20 |
| j_dulaney | Ah | 15:21 |
| adamw | which can affect some install types i think, like preupgrade | 15:21 |
| j_dulaney | Yay more pre upgrade issues | 15:22 |
| adamw | yup :/ | 15:22 |
| kparal | so TC2 will be soon? | 15:22 |
| adamw | no, the opposite: unless we decide the metadata issues need a respin i think there's no specific need for a tc2 | 15:22 |
| kparal | and the missing x64 images will be provided? | 15:22 |
| adamw | i think they showed up now didn't they? | 15:23 |
| robatino | no | 15:23 |
| kparal | adamw: http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/16.TC1/Fedora/x86_64/ | 15:23 |
| kparal | no | 15:23 |
| adamw | oh, nup, not yet. yeeks. | 15:23 |
| adamw | #action adamw to check with dgilmore where we are with x86_64 iso generation | 15:23 |
| adamw | okay, other reason to build a tc2 would be if that would get us x86_64 images...i'll co-ordinate with releng on that | 15:24 |
| adamw | otherwise i guess we could do one next week to pick up general package set changes, but there's not really a huge amount of reason to re-spin unless certain sensitive packages change (anaconda, kernel, lorax etc) | 15:24 |
| * j_dulaney thinks a tc2 would not be a bad thing | 15:25 | |
| kparal | next week is RC1 | 15:25 |
| j_dulaney | Ah | 15:25 |
| kparal | 26th is the plan | 15:25 |
| adamw | oh, right. i meant later this week. | 15:25 |
| j_dulaney | Maybe that will be sufficient | 15:26 |
| * adamw still catching up with the universe in general | 15:26 | |
| kparal | :D | 15:26 |
| robatino | the 32-bit half of the install text matrix is almost done and looks good | 15:26 |
| adamw | yeah | 15:26 |
| adamw | only thorny area i'm really worried about is the grub2/bios raid issues; i'll try and get pjones looking at that | 15:26 |
| robatino | people might want to look at bugs 746509 / 746529 having to do with installing TC1 live to hard drive | 15:27 |
| adamw | thanks for the flag up | 15:27 |
| robatino | black screen in x after installing | 15:27 |
| adamw | so, aside from a potential tc1, we have the blocker review on friday, of course | 15:27 |
| adamw | anyone else have anything to bring up or concerns about the final process? | 15:28 |
| adamw | okay, cool. I had a 'criteria revisions' topic on the list but really we covered it in previous meeting follow-up - we accepted most of the proposed criteria already. | 15:31 |
| adamw | so... | 15:31 |
| adamw | #topic upcoming QA events | 15:31 |
| adamw | well a big vote of thanks to a. s. alam for taking on the role of QA presenter at FUDCon Pune, which for those in Asia is coming up early next month | 15:32 |
| adamw | http://fudcon.in/ - 2011-11-04 to 2011-11-06 | 15:32 |
| adamw | aside from that, we have TC1 testing all week, and the blocker review on Friday 2011-10-21 | 15:33 |
| adamw | #info we have TC1 testing all week, and the blocker review on Friday 2011-10-21 | 15:33 |
| adamw | Thursday 2011-10-20 is Cloud Test Day, I believe tflink's been trying to herd that one? | 15:33 |
| adamw | #info Thursday 2011-10-20 is Cloud Test Day | 15:34 |
| adamw | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-10-20_Cloud_SIG_Test_Day | 15:34 |
| tflink | trying, looks like there are going to be a lot of components | 15:34 |
| tflink | I think that some openstack and possibly euca people will be around | 15:35 |
| tflink | in addition to EC2, boxgrinder and aeolus | 15:35 |
| * maxamillion is here ... late but here (which is becoming par for the course) | 15:35 | |
| tflink | so ... lots of stuff to test :) | 15:35 |
| adamw | so it'll be a hot mess, i guess :) | 15:36 |
| tflink | yeah, probably | 15:36 |
| adamw | but sounds like stuff will get done. hey, at the worst, we can get the cloud teams to test each others' clouds. :) | 15:38 |
| tflink | and hopefully, we'll get some good test cases and docs out of it | 15:38 |
| adamw | yup. | 15:38 |
| adamw | okay, moving swiftly on... | 15:39 |
| adamw | oh, tflink / kparal, is it worth doing an autoqa update segment? | 15:39 |
| kparal | I don't think so | 15:39 |
| tflink | I can't think of anything worth noting | 15:39 |
| adamw | okay | 15:42 |
| adamw | nirik: anything from proventesters? | 15:42 |
| nirik | not off hand, some more ideas... | 15:42 |
| adamw | okay | 15:43 |
| adamw | #topic open discussion | 15:43 |
| adamw | any other business? cookies? milk? plans for world domination? | 15:44 |
| brunowolff | I submitted an NTH request for a regression in the rc9 kernel. | 15:44 |
| brunowolff | I got Adam's deadwood cleanup patch into spin-kickstarts. | 15:44 |
| tflink | brunowolff: what is the bug # on that? | 15:44 |
| adamw | note that we're not frozen yet so there can be a kernel update any time the kernel team wants there to be one | 15:45 |
| adamw | i should probably poke them and remind them of the schedule so they can plan their builds | 15:45 |
| brunowolff | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=746485 | 15:45 |
| tflink | brunowolff: thanks | 15:45 |
| adamw | brunowolff: oh, yeah, thanks for that - actually that may be a reason to do a tc2, as well... | 15:46 |
| brunowolff | Linus is taking his time getting the 3.1 final out. | 15:46 |
| adamw | #info brunowolff committed adamw's systemd conversion for spin-kickstarts, so tc2 and later will have the systemd-based livesys | 15:46 |
| brunowolff | I don't think that's the right bug. | 15:46 |
| brunowolff | This was the one where some chkconfig's were changed to use native systemd commands. | 15:47 |
| adamw | #action adamw to co-ordinate with kernel team for final release build | 15:47 |
| brunowolff | The livesys one looked more dangerous. | 15:47 |
| adamw | oh right, sorry | 15:47 |
| adamw | #undo | 15:48 |
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| adamw | #undo | 15:48 |
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| brunowolff | If you think it is safe I could try to test it over the next couple of days. That seems a bit risky, but it would be in before freeze? | 15:48 |
| adamw | #info brunowolff committed adamw's patch to clean up service disablement in live images for systemd | 15:48 |
| adamw | brunowolff: no, let's leave that for 17 | 15:48 |
| brunowolff | OK. | 15:48 |
| adamw | #action adamw to co-ordinate with kernel team for final release build | 15:48 |
| brunowolff | I'll be branching spin-kickstarts soon. | 15:51 |
| adamw | cool. | 15:52 |
| adamw | welp, sounds like that's everything | 15:52 |
| * adamw sets fuse for one minute | 15:53 | |
| kparal | the fuse exploded some time ago? | 15:56 |
| tflink | oh no! it got adamw! | 15:57 |
| tk009 | that 'it' is a killer | 15:58 |
| drago01 | he might be just moving fast enough that one minute has not passed yet for him ;) | 15:58 |
| * tflink always wondered what the fuse was attached to | 15:58 | |
| Cerlyn | You really should be using a fuze and not a fuse | 16:01 |
| kparal | maybe the too early getting up killed him | 16:05 |
| kparal | I totally understand that | 16:05 |
| kparal | anyway, kparal goes off | 16:05 |
| kparal | have a nice day everyone | 16:05 |
| tflink | adamw: you might want to end the meeting :) | 16:15 |
| tk009 | no one else has chair? | 16:15 |
| tflink | I don't think so | 16:15 |
| drago01 | adamw: END THE MEETING | 16:17 |
| drago01 | maybe that works | 16:17 |
| Southern_Gentlem | #endmeeting | 16:17 |
| Southern_Gentlem | this is why extra chairs are needed | 16:17 |
| nirik | .addchair #fedora-meeting nirik | 16:18 |
| zodbot | nirik: (addchair <channel> <network> <nick>) -- Add a nick as a chair to the meeting. | 16:18 |
| nirik | .addchair #fedora-meeting freenode nirik | 16:18 |
| zodbot | nirik: Chair added: nirik on (#fedora-meeting, freenode). | 16:18 |
| nirik | #endmeeting | 16:18 |
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