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Attendees
- adamw (67)
- brunowolff (22)
- tflink (12)
- maxamillion (10)
- zodbot (5)
- jskladan (2)
- nirik (1)
- mkrizek (1)
- akshayvyas (1)
- pschindl (1)
- satellit-arm (1)
Agenda
- Anaconda new UI testing
- Blocker bug analysis
- Bodhi 2.0 design ideas
- AutoQA update
- Open floor
Anaconda new UI testing
Blocker bug analysis
- Bruno is still recovering from rawhide issues and hasn't had time to work on this yet
Bodhi 2.0 design ideas
- Luke and Johann weren't available, but nirik has asked lmacken to schedule a bodhi 2.0 sync meeting some time soon
AutoQA update
- no AutoQA news, team has been busy on other projects
Open floor
- Bug #830482 is currently breaking boot for rawhide systems with encrypted partitions, beware, adamw has pinged halfline for a fix
IRC Log
| adamw | #startmeeting fedora-qa | 15:01 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Jul 9 15:01:06 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:01 |
| adamw | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:01 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:01 |
| adamw | #topic Roll call | 15:01 |
| adamw | morning folks, who's feeling meet-y? | 15:01 |
| * jskladan is lurking | 15:01 | |
| * tflink is here | 15:01 | |
| * mkrizek is here | 15:01 | |
| * satellit-arm listening | 15:01 | |
| * akshayvyas is here | 15:01 | |
| * maxamillion is here | 15:02 | |
| * adamw looks around for bruno, viking and lmacken... | 15:03 | |
| adamw | short meeting time, i guess =) | 15:03 |
| maxamillion | lol | 15:03 |
| adamw | so, there's no previous meeting follow-up, let's go straight to... | 15:04 |
| adamw | #topic Anaconda new UI testing | 15:04 |
| adamw | really just re-capping from the list - we have a test image for the new anaconda ui available for initial testing, and some people have been playing with it already | 15:05 |
| adamw | see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-July/108798.html for instructions | 15:05 |
| maxamillion | heh ... that's still on my TODO list :X | 15:05 |
| adamw | #info snapshot image of the new anaconda UI is available for testing, see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-July/108798.html for instructions | 15:06 |
| adamw | anyone have any thoughts or comments on the arrangements for the new UI testing? | 15:06 |
| adamw | i just kinda came up with something, to get it done quick | 15:06 |
| * pschindl is here (my irc silently fell down) | 15:06 | |
| maxamillion | I can't really think of anything, I'd think it would be a bit early in the cycle for their to be anything more formal in place ... I think what you wrote up looks good | 15:07 |
| maxamillion | but if the group thinks we should setup a wiki page similar to the desktop acceptance testing or possibly the test days (or both), I'm not in objection ... just don't know there'd be a whole lot of benefit until the dev team considers the rewrite a bit more stable | 15:08 |
| maxamillion | heh | 15:09 |
| adamw | hey bruno | 15:09 |
| adamw | =) | 15:09 |
| brunowolff | I am still recovering from rawhide issues. | 15:09 |
| adamw | owch | 15:10 |
| brunowolff | The desktop I'm on not probably will need a reinstall; I'm running a live cd right now. | 15:10 |
| adamw | good luck :/ | 15:10 |
| brunowolff | I didn't get anything done this week with the bugzilla queries/stats. My fedora time has been spent dealing with rawhide issues. | 15:11 |
| adamw | ah, okay. | 15:11 |
| adamw | anyone have any thoughts arising from testing the new UI itself, aside from the multiple desktop controversy already underway on the list? any worries about areas un-covered etc? | 15:12 |
| tflink | brunowolff: I'm already doing some bz analysis related stuff if you'd like to hand off the blocker stats stuff | 15:13 |
| maxamillion | adamw: on which list? | 15:13 |
| adamw | maxam: test list, the 'will F18 allow simultaneous installation of more than one desktop?' thread | 15:14 |
| maxamillion | ohhhhh, that one | 15:14 |
| maxamillion | I was thinking of multiple monitors, not DEs | 15:14 |
| * maxamillion needs more coffee | 15:14 | |
| adamw | brother, don't we all | 15:15 |
| adamw | well, alright, man, if a new anaconda UI can't stir up controversy on a monday morning i'm all out of ideas =) | 15:17 |
| adamw | let's blow through the agenda then | 15:19 |
| adamw | #topic Blocker bug analysis | 15:19 |
| adamw | #info bruno is still recovering from rawhide issues and hasn't had time to work on this yet | 15:19 |
| adamw | has anyone else had any thoughts or action on this one? | 15:19 |
| tflink | it occurred to me that we could include the analysis as part of the blocker page updating | 15:20 |
| tflink | ie, run it on a regular basis with the blocker tracking | 15:21 |
| tflink | unless that was the plan already | 15:21 |
| adamw | i suppose it'd depend on the conclusions we came to from the initial data | 15:21 |
| adamw | if any looked like we'd get more info from ongoing analysis | 15:21 |
| tflink | yeah, I'm not sure it would all be helpful | 15:22 |
| tflink | but the parts like # of blockers per component might be useful to do on an ongoing basis | 15:22 |
| brunowolff | Timing is also important. The reason I wanted to look at this, is that I think some of the critical things (e.g. anaconda) hadn't been getting tested early enough. | 15:23 |
| brunowolff | (Though we do seem to be getting a good jump on anaconda for F18.) | 15:23 |
| adamw | well, we can always analyze data from any time point on bugzilla, right? it's just a query. | 15:26 |
| brunowolff | I think so. | 15:26 |
| tflink | rejected blockers might be a slow query but probably doable | 15:27 |
| adamw | alrighty, looks like we don't have much to kick around here, moving on | 15:28 |
| adamw | #topic Bodhi 2.0 design ideas | 15:28 |
| brunowolff | I wasn't going to worry too much about rejected blockers, at least initially. | 15:28 |
| adamw | with no lmacken/viking-ice, probably nothing much to say here either :/ | 15:28 |
| brunowolff | I think we really care about the accepted ones. | 15:28 |
| adamw | damn it, i need more power to summon people. | 15:28 |
| tflink | brunowolff: just thinking about my recent experiences with python-bugzilla | 15:29 |
| brunowolff | I liked the idea of being able to tie -1 karma to bug reports. | 15:30 |
| adamw | well the thing i wanted to kick around is how to look at the idea in the context of bodhi 2.0 | 15:30 |
| adamw | in bodhi 2.0 i believe we get a design of multiple variables per update - there isn't just one big number | 15:31 |
| adamw | so whether we still require a 'negative' response to any one of the points to be tied to a bug report, or what...but i think we need luke around so we get enough detail on the actual bodhi 2 design so our ideas aren't based on wrong assumptions | 15:32 |
| brunowolff | Things we might rate are, are their regressions versus stable or previous testing, are the bugs marked as being fixed actually fixed, and how thoroughly the package was tested by this reporter. | 15:33 |
| adamw | yeah, i tend to think of it as a list of questions | 15:34 |
| brunowolff | Levels of testing might include, it installs without issue, it passes a smoke test, common functions were tested and there was extensive testing. | 15:34 |
| adamw | 'does the update fix (issue #1 claimed to be fixed)?' 'does the update break anything that wasn't broken before?' etc etc | 15:34 |
| adamw | but i don't know if we're yet at the point where we can start making detailed design suggestions or what | 15:35 |
| nirik | FYI, I've asked lmacken to try and schedule a meeting sometime soon for bodhi 2.0 discussion... get rel-eng, qa, any interested packagers in and find out where we are and how things are shaping up. | 15:36 |
| adamw | good idea | 15:36 |
| adamw | #info nirik has asked lmacken to schedule a bodhi 2.0 sync meeting some time soon | 15:37 |
| adamw | thanks | 15:37 |
| adamw | anything else worth saying at this point, or shall we keep it for later and move on? | 15:37 |
| adamw | roger | 15:39 |
| adamw | #topic AutoQA update | 15:40 |
| adamw | welp, i threw this in as it's been a few weeks and i figured there might be news | 15:40 |
| adamw | anything significant, tim? | 15:40 |
| tflink | not from my end, no | 15:40 |
| * tflink has been consumed with GSoC and the blocker status page | 15:41 | |
| jskladan | nothing here either | 15:41 |
| adamw | okey dokey | 15:41 |
| adamw | #info no AutoQA news, team has been busy on other projects | 15:42 |
| adamw | #topic open floor | 15:42 |
| adamw | anyone have any other business? | 15:42 |
| brunowolff | Is there a chance we could get some push to fix the plymouth issue messing up booting with encrypted home and/or swap? | 15:43 |
| brunowolff | That's going to be a blocker and makes testing reboots a real pain. | 15:44 |
| brunowolff | .bug 830482 | 15:44 |
| zodbot | brunowolff: Bug 830482 Encrypted file systems not mounted in late part of boot because of systemd units missing from plymouth - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=830482 | 15:44 |
| adamw | well, it looks like it'd be susceptible to a manual fix? | 15:46 |
| adamw | until it's done by michal | 15:46 |
| brunowolff | Every fricken boot and multiple minute plus timeouts to wait for while doing it. | 15:46 |
| adamw | i mean, just manually get the appropriate unit files from an earlier build and put them in place | 15:46 |
| brunowolff | I think the systemd guys are expecting the plymouth guys to fix this. | 15:47 |
| adamw | that'd fix it 'permanently' afaict? | 15:47 |
| adamw | yeah, they obviously are. | 15:47 |
| brunowolff | I tried copying over the unit files, but it didn't work. But I might have missed some deatil. | 15:47 |
| * adamw pings halfline to try and get him to fix it | 15:48 | |
| brunowolff | That was also about the time a couple of new dracut bugs showed up (now fixed) that were adding further confusion to the mix. | 15:48 |
| adamw | i'd expect that to work, but i don't have any experience with the issue | 15:48 |
| adamw | #info https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=830482 is currently breaking boot for rawhide systems with encrypted partitions, beware, adamw has pinged halfline for a fix | 15:49 |
| brunowolff | On the plus side, after messing up root on one system I have a reason to test the anaconda installer (and get laughed at). | 15:49 |
| brunowolff | Not that it affects encrypted home and swap, but not encrypted root. | 15:49 |
| brunowolff | s/not/note/ | 15:49 |
| adamw | roger | 15:50 |
| brunowolff | thanks! | 15:50 |
| adamw | halfline just replied, says he was going to do it last week and forgot. so that sounds promisingish. | 15:51 |
| adamw | alright, anything else? | 15:51 |
| * adamw sets fuse for $INTEGER | 15:54 | |
| adamw | #chair tflink | 15:54 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: adamw tflink | 15:54 |
| adamw | thanks for coming, folks | 15:57 |
| adamw | oh, god, i've just been sucked into the tv tropes vortex again, someone throw me a damn rope | 15:57 |
| * tflink looks around for a rope | 15:57 | |
| adamw | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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