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Attendees
- adamw (86)
- kparal (43)
- tflink (33)
- nirik (29)
- jsmith (9)
- zodbot (7)
- pschindl (6)
- Martix (5)
- jskladan (3)
- spoore (1)
- mkrizek (1)
- paral (0)
Agenda
- Fedora 18 status, mini blocker review
- AutoQA update
- Open floor
Fedora 18 status, mini blocker review
- Alpha TC3 is up and at least vaguely bootable, still in highly broken state
- TC4 landing shortly, most likely
- releng is going to talk to bcl about the state of livemedia-creator and the possibility of going back to livecd-creator for now
Blocker review
- #796479 is accepted as a Beta blocker - violates the 'VM self-hosting' criterion
- #841451 still requires more evaluation
- #848641 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'USB boot' criterion
- #840179 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'boot without unintended user intervention' criterion
- #849070 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'installer bug reporting must work' criterion
- #849112 is accepted as a Final blocker - violates the 'custom partitioning' criterion
- #849012 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'HTTP/FTP package source' criterion if network requires configuration
- #849250 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'must be able to login' criterion
- #849152 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'DVD package source' criterion
- #849632 is accepted as a Beta blocker - violates the 'PXE boot' criterion
- #849667 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'installer bug reporting must work' criterion
- #849118 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'firstboot' criterion
- #848841 is accepted as NTH - clearly something worth fixing and low-risk
- #849244 is accepted as NTH - clear testing benefits to including SB support in Alpha
AutoQA update
- Skipped due to lack of time
Open floor
- Some question about whether go/no-go should be Wednesday or Thursday - we will decide it soon
- Andre will propose a release criterion for the media check on the list
IRC Log
| adamw | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting | 15:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Aug 20 15:00:26 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
| adamw | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
| adamw | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
| adamw | one awful hangover, reporting for duty | 15:00 |
| adamw | who else is here? | 15:00 |
| * tflink is here | 15:01 | |
| * Cerlyn is here | 15:01 | |
| * garretraziel is here | 15:01 | |
| * spoore is here | 15:01 | |
| jreznik | jreznik is here | 15:01 |
| * jreznik is here (sorry ;-) | 15:01 | |
| * kparal as well | 15:01 | |
| bioinfornatics | .fas bioinfornatics | 15:01 |
| zodbot | bioinfornatics: bioinfornatics 'MERCIER Jonathan' <bioinfornatics@gmail.com> | 15:01 |
| adamw | yay | 15:02 |
| * brunowolff is here | 15:02 | |
| adamw | #topic fedora 18 status | 15:03 |
| adamw | well, let's see, we have tc3, which at least kinda-sorta boots into an installer. this is progress! | 15:03 |
| kparal | wohooo | 15:04 |
| * kparal reminds alpha release in 8 days | 15:04 | |
| garretraziel | yes, but you would have better chance to install F18 with tic-tac-toe game | 15:04 |
| adamw | we've found several potential blockers in it though, still | 15:04 |
| adamw | garretraziel: hah, that's a way to put it. | 15:04 |
| adamw | there's a lot of tc3 validation still to do, and i expect we'll be getting to a tc4 today or tomorrow, just on general principles | 15:05 |
| brunowolff | The -rc2 kernel might have some issues. But that isn't the one we'll be using for the release. | 15:05 |
| adamw | i guess that's more or less it, any other notes on f18 before we do some blocker review? | 15:05 |
| jreznik | adamw: would be great to have tc4 asap (depends on what we can make into it) | 15:05 |
| brunowolff | F18 seems to be working OK with the 3.5 kernel from f17 and the rc1 kernel. | 15:05 |
| brunowolff | Any update on livemedia-creator builds? Is that what we are going to use for alpha? | 15:07 |
| adamw | jreznik: right, i need to go through and check what we have fixes for and what we really want fixes for | 15:07 |
| jwb | brunowolff, which release? | 15:07 |
| adamw | brunowolff: ooh, good question | 15:07 |
| adamw | dgilmore: nirik: either of you around and have any info on lmc builds? | 15:07 |
| * nirik looks up. | 15:08 | |
| brunowolff | jwb: 3.6-rc2 hung up on my twice. One looked like apps hung and the other time the whole system might have hung. I'll be trying it out some more after this meeting. | 15:08 |
| nirik | I tried to get livemedia-creator working here this weekend without much luck. | 15:08 |
| nirik | dgilmore said he was going to talk to bcl about punting and doing livecd-creator again for f18... but I don't know the status of that. | 15:09 |
| adamw | roger | 15:09 |
| brunowolff | That would be my recommendation. I don't see a need to rush this. | 15:09 |
| adamw | #info f18 alpha tc3 is up and at least vaguely bootable, still in highly broken state | 15:09 |
| adamw | #info tc4 landing shortly, most likely | 15:10 |
| adamw | #info releng is going to talk to bcl about the state of livemedia-creator and the possibility of going back to livecd-creator for now | 15:10 |
| adamw | okay, blocker review? | 15:11 |
| adamw | #chair tflink kparal | 15:11 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink | 15:11 |
| adamw | tflink: do you have your stuff set up? | 15:11 |
| tflink | give me 1 minute, I didn't realize we were doing a mini review toda | 15:12 |
| * nirik hit one this weekend, meant to check criteria to see if it should be a blocker. | 15:12 | |
| adamw | throw it in at the end somewhere. | 15:12 |
| tflink | there's another one that's apparently not on the list | 15:14 |
| nirik | can do. It's 'impossible to install on a ipv6 enabled network/dual stack network' | 15:14 |
| tflink | #info 10 Proposed Blockers | 15:14 |
| tflink | #info 2 Proposed NTH | 15:14 |
| tflink | starting with the proposed blockers | 15:15 |
| tflink | #topic (796479) firewalld conflicts with libvirt's default network | 15:15 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796479 | 15:15 |
| tflink | #info Proposed Blockers, ASSIGNED | 15:15 |
| adamw | so i still didn't get to testing this, but laine gave us some useful info | 15:15 |
| adamw | still, the virt criteria are all beta, so thinking about it, this ought to be beta | 15:16 |
| adamw | "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release, using Fedora's current preferred virtualization technology " is the relevant criterion | 15:16 |
| tflink | yeah, that makes sense to me | 15:16 |
| * kparal agrees | 15:17 | |
| kparal | I would rather see Alpha working flawlessly as a virt guest than virt host | 15:17 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 796479 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 Beta criterion "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release, using Fedora's current preferred virtualization technology" | 15:17 |
| adamw | ack | 15:17 |
| kparal | ack | 15:17 |
| * jreznik agrees, seems like laine is in touch with twoerner (I can ask them for status) | 15:18 | |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 796479 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 Beta criterion "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release, using Fedora's current preferred virtualization technology" | 15:18 |
| tflink | just added in the rejected alpha | 15:18 |
| tflink | #agreed 796479 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 Beta criterion "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release, using Fedora's current preferred virtualization technology" | 15:18 |
| jreznik | ack | 15:18 |
| tflink | #topic (841451) polkitd doesn't start in rawhide | 15:18 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=841451 | 15:18 |
| tflink | #info Proposed Blockers, NEW | 15:18 |
| * kparal notes we have to adjust the criteria | 15:19 | |
| adamw | kparal: which one? | 15:19 |
| kparal | adamw: my fault. I thought the cited criterion was alpha | 15:20 |
| kparal | nevermind | 15:20 |
| tflink | sounds like this needs more testing still | 15:21 |
| tflink | punt? | 15:21 |
| adamw | yeah, but didn't someone actually manage to get an f18 install now? so we could theoretically tell | 15:21 |
| tflink | yeah, I got a F18 install done - it wasn't graphical but it did boot to a text prompt | 15:22 |
| kparal | does KDE installation count? | 15:22 |
| kparal | garretraziel: you got working KDE, right? | 15:22 |
| garretraziel | yep, I got KDE to work | 15:22 |
| garretraziel | KDE, LXDE and XFCE works, but it's very hard to install them | 15:22 |
| adamw | anything with polkit in the package set. just see if polkitd service runs after install, really | 15:23 |
| garretraziel | I cannot verify if is polkitd running, I'm at home now. | 15:24 |
| adamw | okay. so, punt. | 15:24 |
| * tflink doesn't have access to the install right now, though | 15:24 | |
| brunowolff | Should it just be used with the graphical target? I upgraded a non-graphical system yesterday and the polkit service doesn't seem to be used. The polkitd user wasn't created, even though polkit is install (and was updated). | 15:25 |
| tflink | #info this still needs verification with an install containing polkit, will re-evaluate on wednesday | 15:25 |
| tflink | #topic (848641) Fedora 18 Alpha TC2 fails to boot from USB stick (written by livecd-iso-to-disk) | 15:25 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848641 | 15:25 |
| tflink | #info Proposed Blockers, NEW | 15:26 |
| brunowolff | Note that the service name is polkit, though the daemon name is polkitd. | 15:26 |
| adamw | ach, this one again. still didn't test the other usb methods. at least, i didn't, dunno about anyone else. | 15:26 |
| kparal | I did | 15:27 |
| kparal | see comment #4 | 15:27 |
| adamw | aha, thanks | 15:27 |
| tflink | kparal: your last test was with TC3, then? | 15:27 |
| kparal | yes | 15:27 |
| adamw | ok, so this is blocker | 15:27 |
| adamw | nice wowrk | 15:27 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 848641 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following Fedora 18 alpha release criterion "The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media when written to an optical disc and when written to a USB stick with at least one of the officially supported methods" | 15:29 |
| adamw | ackity | 15:30 |
| tflink | ack/nak/patch? | 15:30 |
| kparal | ack | 15:30 |
| jreznik | ack | 15:30 |
| tflink | #agreed 848641 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following Fedora 18 alpha release criterion "The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media when written to an optical disc and when written to a USB stick with at least one of the officially supported methods" | 15:31 |
| tflink | #topic (840179) Latest grub2 update broke "system" theme | 15:31 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=840179 | 15:31 |
| tflink | #info Proposed Blockers, NEW | 15:31 |
| tflink | this is arguably not a blocker | 15:31 |
| * tflink would be fine with NTH unless there is a better final criterion | 15:32 | |
| adamw | nils makes a reasonable case | 15:32 |
| adamw | comment #14 | 15:32 |
| adamw | but eh, let's not waste too much time on this, it's an easy fix | 15:32 |
| adamw | so nth or blocker, whichever, but let's just pick one and fix it... | 15:33 |
| kparal | this applies only to upgrades? | 15:33 |
| tflink | no, I hit this on a fresh install | 15:33 |
| kparal | does this influence everyone, or just people tinkering with grub.conf? | 15:34 |
| jreznik | yep, fresh install... it's more nth for me | 15:34 |
| tflink | you have to tinker with it to fix it | 15:34 |
| tflink | by default, you get a warning at the grub prompt before the menu actually shows up | 15:34 |
| tflink | and you have to hit some key to get past that warning | 15:35 |
| tflink | I see +1 NTH, +2 either | 15:36 |
| kparal | "without unintended user intervention" speaks for +1 blocker | 15:36 |
| kparal | but I'm fine with just nth | 15:36 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 840179 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the F18 alpha release criterion "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria (or the appropriate Beta or Final criteria, when applying this criterion to those releases) must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. Thi | 15:37 |
| tflink | ack/nak/patch? | 15:37 |
| kparal | ack | 15:37 |
| adamw | ack | 15:37 |
| aspratyush | ack | 15:37 |
| tflink | if we get enough nak, I'll switch it to NTH | 15:37 |
| kparal | the text is cropped | 15:37 |
| tflink | hrm, how far does it get? | 15:37 |
| brunowolff | ack | 15:37 |
| kparal | "in non-graphical mode. Thi" | 15:38 |
| jreznik | if we can do it "easily", then I'm ack too | 15:38 |
| garretraziel | I would like to add that "firstboot" doesn't work too (it didn't display in KDE, LXDE nor XFCE) | 15:38 |
| adamw | garretraziel: is there a bug filed on it? | 15:39 |
| adamw | that's four acks, good enough | 15:39 |
| tflink | yeah, trying to shorten it | 15:39 |
| garretraziel | yep, but in that time I tried it only in LXDE | 15:39 |
| garretraziel | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849118 | 15:40 |
| tflink | #agreed 840179 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the F18 alpha release criterion "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria (or the appropriate Beta or Final criteria, when applying this criterion to those releases) must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode." | 15:40 |
| tflink | #topic (849070) Anaconda's bug reporter doesn't work | 15:40 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849070 | 15:40 |
| tflink | #info Proposed Blockers, POST | 15:40 |
| adamw | +1 blocker, by the numbers | 15:41 |
| tflink | +1 blocker | 15:41 |
| kparal | +1 blocker | 15:42 |
| brunowolff | +1 blocker | 15:42 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849070 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla and local disk, with appropriate information included" | 15:42 |
| tflink | ack/nak/patch? | 15:43 |
| adamw | ack | 15:43 |
| kparal | ack | 15:43 |
| jreznik | ack | 15:43 |
| tflink | #agreed 849070 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla and local disk, with appropriate information included" | 15:43 |
| aspratyush | ack | 15:43 |
| tflink | #topic (849112) NoDisksError | 15:44 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849112 | 15:44 |
| tflink | #info Proposed Blockers, ASSIGNED | 15:44 |
| tflink | I'm not sure about blocker on this | 15:45 |
| kparal | I don't understand comment #15 | 15:45 |
| kparal | the reproducer in comment #13 seems to be a valid use case | 15:45 |
| tflink | yeah, but there is a reasonable workaround | 15:46 |
| adamw | i haven't reproduced this to get a 'feel' for it, so it's kinda hard to vote | 15:46 |
| kparal | it shouldn't just crash | 15:46 |
| tflink | inconvenient, yes but #15 makes me think that it's just poorly worded error messages | 15:46 |
| kparal | it's fine when it tells 'you must first do X' | 15:46 |
| tflink | yeah, you're right. it shouldn't crash | 15:48 |
| kparal | from what I understand, this is a completely typical usage. automatically create layout while there are some partitions on the disk | 15:48 |
| kparal | IIUIC | 15:48 |
| kparal | so this really shouldn't crash | 15:48 |
| kparal | worth inviting dlehman here? | 15:49 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849112 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion " The installer must be able to complete an installation using the entire disk, existing free space, or existing Linux partitions methods, with or without encryption or LVM enabled" | 15:49 |
| kparal | ack from me, unless we find out we haven't understood the use case correctly | 15:50 |
| tflink | other ack/nak/patch? | 15:50 |
| brunowolff | +1 blocker | 15:51 |
| jreznik | ack | 15:51 |
| adamw | +/-0 | 15:51 |
| * tflink is waiting for 1 more ack | 15:51 | |
| jreznik | but maybe more info would be better... not sure I completely understand it but as kparal pointed out, it should not crash | 15:52 |
| tflink | or we could punt until wednesday | 15:52 |
| * kparal inviting dlehman | 15:52 | |
| kparal | dlehman: please have a look at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849112 | 15:53 |
| kparal | can you tell us exactly what's going on? | 15:54 |
| * tflink is starting to lean towards punt | 15:54 | |
| tflink | we're almost @ time | 15:54 |
| kparal | ah, is someone waiting? | 15:54 |
| dlehman | kparal: NoDisksError in this case means "there are no disks with enough space on them to do automatic partitioning" | 15:54 |
| kparal | dlehman: the use case is that I choose automatic partitioning on an already partitioned disk? | 15:55 |
| dlehman | so if you want to do automatic partitioning from the custom partitioning interface, you must first make space by removing existing partitions from the disk(s) | 15:55 |
| kparal | is there any other way to do automatic partitioning? | 15:56 |
| kparal | without having to manually remove everything? | 15:56 |
| tflink | is this only custom partitioning, then? | 15:56 |
| dlehman | yes. don't click "review and modify". | 15:56 |
| dlehman | this part of the ui is broken IMO | 15:56 |
| adamw | hm, that follows oldui as well, 'review and modify' = custom partitioning. so, that's kinda non-blocker. | 15:57 |
| tflink | but since autopart works, I'm not sure it's an alpha blocker | 15:57 |
| kparal | so, automatic partitioning without review works. with review it doesn't | 15:57 |
| dlehman | "Review and modify" used to mean "do autopart, then show me the results" whereas now it means "do custom partitioning" | 15:57 |
| adamw | or rather, final blocker not alpha blocker | 15:57 |
| kparal | dlehman: so it's just badly worded | 15:57 |
| dlehman | kparal: correct | 15:57 |
| dlehman | kparal: or, more than that, the wording is unfortunately invoking memories of previous behavior and thereby also invoking an expectation that the behavior will be the same as it was | 15:58 |
| adamw | right. | 15:58 |
| kparal | still it should not crash but say "no free disks available" | 15:58 |
| brunowolff | At the very least the crashing aspect should be nth. | 15:59 |
| adamw | oh, nth for sure. | 15:59 |
| jreznik | brunowolff: +1 | 15:59 |
| dlehman | perhaps we could even make that button insensitive until/unless there's some space to use. | 16:00 |
| * kparal would have to see a screenshot | 16:00 | |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849112 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - Violates the F18 final release criterion: "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above" | 16:00 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849112 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Final) - Violates the F18 final release criterion: "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above" | 16:00 |
| kparal | just explain to me why Final | 16:01 |
| kparal | it's Alpha criterion | 16:01 |
| adamw | the criterion cited now is final, not alpha | 16:01 |
| kparal | I know people are able to start over, after anaconda crash | 16:01 |
| * kparal searching for 5 differences | 16:02 | |
| adamw | kparal: the alpha criterion about an autopart | 16:02 |
| adamw | erf | 16:02 |
| adamw | the final criterion we've always read as 'any failure in partitioning is a blocker', basically | 16:02 |
| adamw | the alpha one is a much tighter 'if you follow the defaults with minimum variation it should work' | 16:02 |
| kparal | alright | 16:03 |
| tflink | ack/nak/patch? | 16:03 |
| adamw | ack | 16:03 |
| brunowolff | ack | 16:03 |
| kparal | ack | 16:03 |
| adamw | but also acceptednth for alpha? | 16:03 |
| kparal | +1 nth alpha | 16:04 |
| jreznik | +1 nth alpha | 16:04 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849112 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Final), AcceptedNTH (Alpha) - Violates the F18 final release criterion: "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above" | 16:04 |
| adamw | ack | 16:05 |
| * tflink assumes acks again | 16:05 | |
| jreznik | ack | 16:05 |
| aspratyush | ack | 16:05 |
| tflink | #agreed 849112 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Final), AcceptedNTH (Alpha) - Violates the F18 final release criterion: "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above" | 16:05 |
| tflink | #topic (849012) IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-p2p1' | 16:05 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849012 | 16:05 |
| tflink | #info Proposed Blockers, NEW | 16:06 |
| adamw | so basically any attempt to enter network config screen ends up in a crash? | 16:07 |
| jreznik | adamw: simplest reproduces is to click on network configuration and click back | 16:07 |
| kparal | comment #7 seems to indicate so | 16:07 |
| kparal | that's pretty bad | 16:07 |
| jreznik | but same if you want to set up advanced options (or any action) | 16:07 |
| tflink | sounds like a blocker to me | 16:08 |
| jreznik | so it definitely makes impossible to setup network for many people | 16:08 |
| kparal | +1 blocker | 16:08 |
| adamw | yeah, seems bad enough. | 16:08 |
| adamw | +1 | 16:08 |
| jsmith | +1 blocker from me | 16:08 |
| jreznik | +1 as I proposed it :) | 16:08 |
| tflink | "The installer must be able to use at least one of the HTTP or FTP remote package source options"? | 16:08 |
| adamw | yeah | 16:09 |
| aspratyush | +1 blocker | 16:09 |
| jreznik | btw it's related to #849070 | 16:09 |
| adamw | criteria logic :) | 16:09 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849012 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following fedora 18 alpha release criterion "The installer must be able to use at least one of the HTTP or FTP remote package source options" | 16:10 |
| tflink | ack/nak/patch? | 16:10 |
| adamw | ack | 16:10 |
| kparal | ack | 16:10 |
| aspratyush | ack | 16:11 |
| tflink | #agreed 849012 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following fedora 18 alpha release criterion "The installer must be able to use at least one of the HTTP or FTP remote package source options" | 16:11 |
| tflink | #topic (849250) Not setting up a root password makes non-desktop installs impossible to access | 16:12 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849250 | 16:12 |
| tflink | #info Proposed Blockers, NEW | 16:12 |
| adamw | +1, obviously. reasoning in the bug. | 16:12 |
| tflink | it's workaround-able but this looks pretty bad and you have to know the workarounds | 16:13 |
| adamw | yeah. | 16:13 |
| jreznik | yep | 16:13 |
| * aspratyush agrees | 16:13 | |
| garretraziel | Again, I want to add that, because of missing firstboot, event desktop installs are impossible to access. | 16:13 |
| tflink | garretraziel: impossible how? I assume you can still boot into single mode or pseudo-rescue | 16:14 |
| adamw | well, not impossible, but same situation as in this bug, i guess. | 16:14 |
| garretraziel | yep, that's what I meant | 16:15 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849250 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "When booting a system installed without a graphical environment, or when using a correct configuration setting to cause an installed system to boot in non-graphical mode, the system should boot to a state where it is possible to log in through at least one of the default virtual consoles" | 16:15 |
| adamw | ack | 16:15 |
| kparal | ack | 16:15 |
| jsmith | ACK | 16:15 |
| spoore | ack | 16:15 |
| jreznik | ack | 16:15 |
| tflink | #agreed 849250 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "When booting a system installed without a graphical environment, or when using a correct configuration setting to cause an installed system to boot in non-graphical mode, the system should boot to a state where it is possible to log in through at least one of the default virtual consoles" | 16:15 |
| tflink | #topic (849152) anaconda doesn't use DVD repo | 16:15 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849152 | 16:15 |
| tflink | #info Proposed Blockers, POST | 16:15 |
| adamw | +1 | 16:15 |
| kparal | seems like a clear blocker | 16:16 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849152 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "When booting from a DVD ISO image, the installer must be able to use the DVD local package source options" | 16:16 |
| aspratyush | +1 blocker | 16:17 |
| kparal | ack | 16:17 |
| jreznik | ack | 16:17 |
| jsmith | ACK | 16:17 |
| tflink | #agreed 849152 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "When booting from a DVD ISO image, the installer must be able to use the DVD local package source options" | 16:17 |
| tflink | #topic (849632) inst.repo=http doesn't work | 16:17 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849632 | 16:17 |
| tflink | #info Proposed Blockers, NEW | 16:17 |
| kparal | so I'm really unsure whether I used the correct criterion | 16:17 |
| kparal | in this bug | 16:17 |
| tflink | does adding things via the graphical interface work? | 16:18 |
| kparal | haven't tried | 16:18 |
| kparal | this is more about stage2 fetching | 16:18 |
| adamw | this is really pxe/virt-install stuff right? | 16:18 |
| kparal | I booted through pxe, right | 16:18 |
| kparal | I haven't tried boot.iso with inst.repo, my fault | 16:19 |
| kparal | I have to change the summary | 16:19 |
| kparal | the summary should be 'stage2 can't be fetched with inst.repo' | 16:19 |
| kparal | that makes it probably Beta blocker | 16:19 |
| adamw | i feel like we decided a specific release point for this kinda thing back in f17 | 16:20 |
| adamw | but i can't recall if it was alpha, beta or final | 16:20 |
| adamw | anyone? | 16:20 |
| kparal | bet | 16:20 |
| kparal | a | 16:20 |
| adamw | no, tiny dwarf with a jackhammer inside my head, you don't count | 16:20 |
| adamw | ok, then i vote beta | 16:20 |
| tflink | "It must be possible to install by booting the installation kernel directly, including via PXE, and correctly specifying a remote source for the installer itself, using whichever protocols are required to work for package retrieval at the current phase (Alpha, Beta, Final). This must work if the remote source is not a complete repository but contains only the files necessary for the installer itself to run. "? | 16:20 |
| kparal | I'll retest with boot.iso and inst.repo | 16:20 |
| kparal | tflink: yes | 16:21 |
| tflink | that's beta | 16:21 |
| adamw | ok, so beta for now | 16:21 |
| kparal | just to clarify - " The installer must be able to use at least one of the HTTP or FTP remote package source options " refers to UI? | 16:22 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849632 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 beta release criterion "It must be possible to install by booting the installation kernel directly, including via PXE, and correctly specifying a remote source for the installer itself, using whichever protocols are required to work for package retrieval at the current phase (Alpha, Beta, Final). This must work if the remote source is not a complete repository | 16:22 |
| kparal | ack | 16:22 |
| tflink | ack/nack/patch? | 16:23 |
| adamw | kparal: yeah, it does, we could clarify that. | 16:23 |
| adamw | though note it's specifically about 'package source', not 'stage2 source'. though that distinction is getting less clear now, i guess. | 16:24 |
| adamw | ack | 16:24 |
| tflink | #agreed 849632 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 beta release criterion "It must be possible to install by booting the installation kernel directly, including via PXE, and correctly specifying a remote source for the installer itself, using whichever protocols are required to work for package retrieval at the current phase (Alpha, Beta, Final). This must work if the remote source is not a complete repository but cont | 16:25 |
| tflink | ok, that's all of the blockers | 16:25 |
| adamw | can we do proposed nth rather than accepted blockers? | 16:26 |
| kparal | tflink: the extra one | 16:26 |
| tflink | kparal: oh yeah, thanks | 16:26 |
| tflink | #topic (849667) Bugreporting from anaconda doesn't work as expected | 16:28 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849667 | 16:28 |
| tflink | #info Proposed Blockers, MODIFIED | 16:28 |
| kparal | vratislav created that bug just to get the new builds into the compose | 16:29 |
| adamw | +1 per the abrt criterion - it obviously means the report submission should work and provide useful data | 16:29 |
| kparal | sure, +1 as well | 16:30 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849667 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla and local disk, with appropriate information included" | 16:30 |
| adamw | ack | 16:30 |
| kparal | ack | 16:30 |
| tflink | #agreed 849667 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla and local disk, with appropriate information included" | 16:30 |
| jreznik | ack | 16:30 |
| tflink | ok, any other blockers I missed? | 16:31 |
| adamw | the firstboot one maybe? | 16:31 |
| tflink | did we get a bz# for that? | 16:32 |
| adamw | that garretraziel mentioned | 16:32 |
| adamw | garret? | 16:32 |
| jreznik | yep, firstboot pls | 16:32 |
| garretraziel | okay, | 16:32 |
| garretraziel | it seems that firstboot doesn't show up | 16:32 |
| * nirik can note 849395 and ask for other ipv6 enabled folks to test and try and duplicate. | 16:32 | |
| garretraziel | it didn't showed up in KDE, LXDE nor XFCE. I was unable to test it in gnome (couldn't install it) | 16:33 |
| tflink | if someone has a bz#, that would be great | 16:33 |
| adamw | garretraziel: bz #? | 16:33 |
| garretraziel | 849118 | 16:34 |
| jreznik | garretraziel: gnome is not going to use firstboot | 16:34 |
| adamw | i'm +1 with the info that kde is broken. | 16:34 |
| tflink | is this already reported elsewhere? | 16:35 |
| jreznik | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849118 | 16:35 |
| garretraziel | ok, so situation now is that nobody can install gnome and other GUIs firstboots don't show up | 16:35 |
| jreznik | #topic (849118) firstboot doesn't show up in LXDE | 16:35 |
| jreznik | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849118 | 16:36 |
| jreznik | not proposed as blocker but should be | 16:36 |
| tflink | #topic (849118) firstboot doesn't show up in LXDE | 16:36 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849118 | 16:36 |
| tflink | #info Proposed Blocker, NEW | 16:36 |
| rdieter | jreznik: I just added to F18Blocker-kde tracker, fwiw | 16:37 |
| jreznik | rdieter: thx | 16:37 |
| adamw | +1 | 16:37 |
| jreznik | +1 | 16:37 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria (or the appropriate Beta or Final criteria, when applying this criterion to those releases) must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphica | 16:39 |
| tflink | is that too long again? | 16:39 |
| Smoother1rOgZ | .s 1 | 16:39 |
| kparal | yes | 16:39 |
| garretraziel | yep | 16:39 |
| kparal | "in non-graphica" | 16:40 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. This includes correctly accessing any encrypted partitions when the correct passphra | 16:41 |
| tflink | better? | 16:41 |
| adamw | you can cut the second sentence. | 16:41 |
| kparal | nope :) | 16:41 |
| adamw | not relevant here. | 16:41 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. This includes correctly accessing any encrypted partitions when the correct passphra | 16:41 |
| tflink | wait, screwed that up | 16:42 |
| kparal | nevermind | 16:42 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. The firstboot utility must be able to create a working user account." | 16:42 |
| kparal | ack | 16:43 |
| tflink | fourth try's the charm? | 16:43 |
| adamw | ack. yay! | 16:43 |
| jreznik | ack | 16:43 |
| tflink | #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. The firstboot utility must be able to create a working user account." | 16:43 |
| tflink | any more I missed? | 16:43 |
| tflink | doesn't FEScO start in 15? | 16:44 |
| jreznik | yep | 16:44 |
| adamw | do we have any porposed nth? | 16:44 |
| adamw | i think one or two inc the kernel | 16:44 |
| tflink | #info (848841) [TUI] anaconda crash when trying to work with empty (new) disk | 16:44 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848841 | 16:44 |
| tflink | #info Proposed NTH, ON_QA | 16:44 |
| tflink | darn it | 16:45 |
| tflink | #undo | 16:45 |
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| tflink | #topic (848841) [TUI] anaconda crash when trying to work with empty (new) disk | 16:45 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848841 | 16:45 |
| tflink | #info Proposed NTH, ON_QA | 16:45 |
| kparal | +1 nth | 16:46 |
| adamw | +1 | 16:46 |
| jreznik | +1 | 16:46 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 848841 - AcceptedNTH - This prevents text install with an empty disk which isn't an alpha blocker but a tested fix would be accepted. | 16:47 |
| kparal | ack | 16:47 |
| adamw | ack | 16:47 |
| jreznik | ack | 16:47 |
| tflink | #agreed 848841 - AcceptedNTH - This prevents text install with an empty disk which isn't an alpha blocker but a tested fix would be accepted. | 16:47 |
| tflink | #topic (849244) Include signed grub2 and kernel in Alpha | 16:47 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849244 | 16:47 |
| tflink | #info Proposed NTH, ASSIGNED | 16:47 |
| kparal | no reason to deny that, right? the resistance is futile, secure boot is here | 16:49 |
| adamw | this seems reasonable, but if the rc2 kernel is bad... | 16:49 |
| adamw | still, the theory is we make the issue nth but can refuse to take a build if it's problematic, so +1 nth. | 16:49 |
| * jreznik really wants to see secure boot in alpha | 16:49 | |
| tflink | proposed #agreed 849244 - AcceptedNTH - It would be nice to have an SB-capable alpha, a well tested build would be accepted past freeze. | 16:50 |
| kparal | ack | 16:50 |
| jreznik | ack (and I'd even say it's a blocker - as it's the change that has to be delivered asap to not affect final...) | 16:51 |
| adamw | ack | 16:51 |
| tflink | #agreed 849244 - AcceptedNTH - It would be nice to have an SB-capable alpha, a well tested build would be accepted past freeze. | 16:51 |
| tflink | ok, I think that's all of them | 16:52 |
| jreznik | yep | 16:52 |
| tflink | adamw: I think we're done w/ 8 minutes to spare :) | 16:52 |
| jreznik | one thing from me - go/no-go is scheduled on Wednesda, see http://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-pm-tasks.html | 16:52 |
| adamw | yeah. chances of go at this point are infinitesimal, fwiw. | 16:53 |
| jreznik | adamw: it is :((( | 16:53 |
| * jreznik is going to announce it | 16:53 | |
| nirik | but perhaps it will be better by wed. ;) | 16:53 |
| adamw | ahaha. optimist. | 16:54 |
| adamw | let's skip autoqa update in the interests of brevity | 16:54 |
| jreznik | nirik: we are still stuck on anaconda... so I hope at least for installable system for more userland testing... that's all we can get (and would be great to get it) | 16:54 |
| tflink | didn't we move the go/nogo to thursday? | 16:54 |
| adamw | #topic open floor | 16:54 |
| adamw | do we have anything for general qa open floor? | 16:54 |
| robatino | i was going to suggest a final criterion for working built-in mediacheck, but there probably isn't time | 16:55 |
| nirik | tflink: I had wanted to... perhaps that didn't happen in the schedule? | 16:55 |
| tflink | I thought we did agree to it | 16:55 |
| tflink | not 100% sure, though | 16:55 |
| jreznik | I'm ok with moving it on Thursday... | 16:55 |
| adamw | robatino: best on the list i guess | 16:56 |
| jreznik | it's just going to be really difficult this Thurday as it's my granma funeral :( | 16:56 |
| jreznik | as I said - I can move it, but would be better to do it before announcement... | 16:56 |
| adamw | i'm not sure it's gonna make a huge difference this week :) | 16:56 |
| tflink | true | 16:57 |
| jreznik | well, so Wednesday this week? and schedule next go/no-go on Thursday? | 16:57 |
| tflink | I just want to avoid the whole "we can get through the whole matrix in 24 hours" thing again | 16:57 |
| mjg59 | You guys going to be finished in 3 minutes? | 16:57 |
| mjg59 | Or should I move fesco to -1? | 16:57 |
| tflink | but as adam said, that seems really, really unlikely by wed | 16:57 |
| tflink | I think we're done - rest of conversation can be done in #fedora-qa, no? | 16:58 |
| jreznik | tflink: yep... | 16:58 |
| adamw | mjg59: we'll be done | 16:58 |
| adamw | #info we'll decide on the day of the go/no-go meeting shortly | 16:58 |
| adamw | thanks folks | 16:58 |
| adamw | #info robatino will propose a criterion for mediacheck on the list | 16:58 |
| adamw | aaaand that's all she wrote | 16:59 |
| adamw | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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