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Attendees
- tflink (111)
- Viking-Ice (32)
- kparal (31)
- pwhalen (12)
- dgilmore (10)
- jreznik (10)
- satellit_e (9)
- zodbot (6)
- satellit (6)
- jskladan (4)
- pschindl (3)
- roshi (1)
Agenda
- Followup from previous meeting
- Fedora 20 Planning/Status
- Open floor
Followup from previous meeting
- tflink to pester handsome_pirate about cloud testing coordination and/or talk to cloud folks about testing and eventual location of images - tflink followed up to some degree, but the status of cloud images and testing did not seem satisfactory, further action required
Fedora 20 Planning/Status
F20 Alpha RC2 Testing Status
- All known issues were being tracked via blocker bugs
Arm Hardware Status
- kparal raised concerns about a lack of links to ARM-specific documentation for certain tests
Open floor
- testcase_stats page tracks how often each validation test case has been run (and with what result), and when it was last run: re-generated every hour
- An inconsistency was identified between requiring the images to boot from physical media at Alpha, but only requiring them to be appropriately sized at Beta: tflink would propose criteria changes
Action items
- tflink to make sure some cloud testing is getting done
- tflink to file blocker bug about DOA i386 AMI
- pschindl to send out karma/testing request for not-yet-stable updates in RC2
- tflink to propose moving 'boot from optical media' criterion from alpha to beta
IRC Log
| tflink | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting | 15:01 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Sep 16 15:01:25 2013 UTC. The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:01 |
| tflink | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:01 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:01 |
| tflink | #topic Roll Call | 15:01 |
| * satellit listening | 15:01 | |
| * jskladan lurks | 15:01 | |
| * tflink tries to figure out what he did with the agenda | 15:01 | |
| * roshi here | 15:02 | |
| * kparal is a bit late again, but that shouldn't surprise you | 15:02 | |
| * jreznik is here, but will have to leave in a short for an hour | 15:03 | |
| tflink | ah, saved it on the wrong page | 15:03 |
| tflink | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130916 | 15:03 |
| * pschindl is here | 15:04 | |
| * tflink waits another minute or so for folks to show up | 15:05 | |
| tflink | ok, it's been 5 minutes - anyone not here yet will miss out on all the fun | 15:06 |
| * pwhalen is here | 15:06 | |
| tflink | #topic previous meeting followup | 15:06 |
| tflink | the only thing I'm seeing is: | 15:06 |
| tflink | #info | 15:06 |
| tflink | #info tflink to pester handsome_pirate about cloud testing coordination and/or talk to cloud folks about testing and eventual location of images | 15:06 |
| tflink | hrm | 15:06 |
| tflink | #undo | 15:06 |
| zodbot | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x29dfb3d0> | 15:06 |
| tflink | #undo | 15:06 |
| zodbot | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x28f4c950> | 15:06 |
| tflink | #info tflink to pester handsome_pirate about cloud testing coordination and/or talk to cloud folks about testing and eventual location of images | 15:07 |
| * Viking-Ice joins in 50% | 15:07 | |
| tflink | I think I pestered him about it, but I can't remember the outcome | 15:07 |
| kparal | well, repeat the procedure :) | 15:08 |
| tflink | yeah, I just found my irc logs and am realizing that I didn't get quite all of the information | 15:08 |
| tflink | but most of it :) | 15:08 |
| tflink | not sure there's much else to say on this | 15:09 |
| jreznik | what's missing? if you got most of it | 15:09 |
| tflink | eventual location, but I think that's also been figured out | 15:09 |
| tflink | theoretically, the cloud sig is helping to test the cloud images | 15:09 |
| jreznik | and from email, mattdm: This still doesn't boot. (We're working on it.) - from Sep 13 | 15:09 |
| tflink | yeah, the i386 AMI hasn't been booting for a while | 15:10 |
| tflink | like I said, theoretically | 15:10 |
| tflink | location is determined by releng, I think - new Images dir | 15:11 |
| tflink | testing ... need to ping rbergeron about possibly getting people access to a fedora amazon account | 15:11 |
| tflink | but that's something to deal with outside the QA meeting | 15:12 |
| tflink | #action tflink to make sure some cloud testing is getting done | 15:13 |
| tflink | anything else here" | 15:13 |
| tflink | ? | 15:13 |
| jreznik | and also how to track i386 ami better | 15:13 |
| Viking-Ice | well is that not best handled by the cloud sig | 15:14 |
| tflink | Viking-Ice: if they were actually doing the testing, sure | 15:14 |
| tflink | jreznik: not sure I understand? | 15:14 |
| tflink | i386 ami was just never tested | 15:15 |
| Viking-Ice | tflink, they are the ones that should be doing the testing | 15:15 |
| Viking-Ice | we should just help them prepare for it | 15:15 |
| tflink | ok, moving on | 15:15 |
| jreznik | tflink: I mean, we know it does not work, it's potential blocker, you did not know where/how to report it and it's not on the blocker bugs list (so could be easily missed, hard to get udpates...) | 15:15 |
| tflink | jreznik: good point. it's still not blocking release | 15:16 |
| tflink | #action tflink to file blocker bug about DOA i386 AMI | 15:16 |
| tflink | Viking-Ice: I'm not disagreeing with you but the other option is DOA cloud images | 15:17 |
| tflink | #topic F20 Alpha RC2 Testing Status | 15:17 |
| jreznik | tflink: yep and you know how I hate last minute surprises when someone brings it up :) | 15:17 |
| tflink | jreznik: meh, it adds excitement. what good would a boring, predictable release be :-D | 15:18 |
| jreznik | :D | 15:18 |
| Viking-Ice | but back to topic where are we at with regards to the alpha blocker bugs and testing | 15:18 |
| tflink | any huge issues from RC2 testing thus far? | 15:18 |
| tflink | other than the current blocker issues | 15:18 |
| satellit | I am having a problem using anaconda liveinst to install to an external USB HD.... | 15:19 |
| tflink | hopefully, we'll have a new anaconda build today for #1007387 | 15:19 |
| kparal | I reported just a few cosmetic issues, I haven't seen any other big issue | 15:19 |
| Viking-Ice | what about 1006113 | 15:19 |
| jreznik | btw. for current blocking issues - anaconda guys did some mess in the list by cloning blocker bugs - fedora stuff should be cleaned from that bugs | 15:20 |
| kparal | tflink: will we get RC3 once that happens? | 15:20 |
| tflink | Viking-Ice: it needs to be closed | 15:20 |
| Viking-Ice | ah yes | 15:20 |
| tflink | I forgot to secretarialize after go/no-no | 15:20 |
| tflink | kparal: yep | 15:20 |
| tflink | jreznik: i thought that got cleaned up post-clone | 15:20 |
| Viking-Ice | what's our karma status on the bugs and their fixes | 15:20 |
| tflink | there are a few builds missing karma for stable | 15:21 |
| jreznik | tflink: seems like it wasn't | 15:21 |
| tflink | pschindl: were you planning to do a F20 alpha karma request? | 15:22 |
| tflink | I see several updates that should be stable once they get enough karma | 15:22 |
| pschindl | I was. But haven't done it yet. | 15:22 |
| Viking-Ice | pschindl, lure in karma via badges "Earn your badges test and provide karma" yata yata | 15:23 |
| tflink | #action pschindl to send out karma/testing request for not-yet-stable updates in RC2 | 15:23 |
| Viking-Ice | hm we actually should be monitoring if karma brings in more people | 15:23 |
| Viking-Ice | mean badges | 15:23 |
| pschindl | Viking-Ice: thanks for the idea for the mail :) | 15:24 |
| * tflink wonders if it would be worth requesting/making badges for providing karma on blockers | 15:24 | |
| kparal | tflink: would be hard to query for and maintain | 15:24 |
| Viking-Ice | tflink, dont think so | 15:24 |
| tflink | yeah, something for another day at least | 15:25 |
| Viking-Ice | have filed for a zombie badges for testing in the test matrix | 15:25 |
| tflink | ok, anything else on testing status? | 15:25 |
| tflink | #topic ARM Status | 15:26 |
| pwhalen | tflink, arm bugs look resolved, testing the new anaconda today which should clear up our initial-setup blocker | 15:26 |
| satellit | soas will start if lightdm is added to .ks and -gdm is included in it | 15:26 |
| tflink | it looks like things are working better than they were | 15:26 |
| tflink | satellit: bug filed? | 15:26 |
| pwhalen | vexpress not booting was resolved with an update to qemu | 15:26 |
| satellit | pbrobinson is aware but away atm | 15:27 |
| tflink | satellit: is there a bug filed? | 15:27 |
| tflink | if there's no bug, it's not supposed to change | 15:27 |
| Viking-Ice | no bug no fix ;) | 15:27 |
| satellit | no I will do so | 15:27 |
| tflink | cool, thanks | 15:27 |
| tflink | I'm hoping RC3 will be the last for f20 alpha, so I'd suggest doing it soon | 15:28 |
| satellit | I did a test remix with this fix here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_20#SoaS_86_64-dm_.28remix.29 | 15:28 |
| tflink | pwhalen: sounds like arm is in good shape for f20 alpha, though? | 15:28 |
| kparal | I'm not sure why there are white fields in the general tests in installation matrix for ARM, when the only test case available speaks about dd-ing images to a SD card | 15:28 |
| pwhalen | tflink, I'll confirm anaconda, but yes it is. The fix was very small for our setup issue | 15:28 |
| pwhalen | https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-16735/anaconda-20.16-1.fc20 | 15:29 |
| tflink | kparal: not sure I understand your question | 15:29 |
| pwhalen | looks like someone left karma but didnt test the right version, can that be removed or we just need to get additional karma | 15:29 |
| tflink | the lack of arm-specific stuff in the test cases? | 15:29 |
| kparal | tflink: how do you run anaconda on ARM? I don't see any test case covering that | 15:29 |
| tflink | yeah, not sure on that one myself | 15:30 |
| kparal | I simply don't see any instructions | 15:30 |
| tflink | i didn't think anaconda actually ran on arm | 15:30 |
| tflink | outside of initial-setup | 15:30 |
| pwhalen | kparal, pxe boot on highbank | 15:30 |
| kparal | pwhalen: does it work with qemu as well? | 15:30 |
| pwhalen | kparal, not that I'm aware of | 15:31 |
| kparal | hmm, ok. maybe we should provide this info somehow in the matrix | 15:31 |
| kparal | I saw empty cells for ARM, but I didn't know how to fill them | 15:32 |
| tflink | they look mostly filled for RC2 | 15:32 |
| kparal | as long as pwhalen takes care of it, I don't mind... :) | 15:32 |
| pwhalen | kparal, which. I think i missed - QA:Testcase_Kickstart_Nfs_Server_Path_Ks_Cfg , but all else should be done | 15:33 |
| kparal | pwhalen: for example https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_install has ARM field enabled | 15:33 |
| kparal | but I guess we can't put ARM-specific instructions into every test case | 15:33 |
| kparal | we need to have a general guide at the top of the matrix or something like that | 15:34 |
| * jreznik has to leave now for a short, will read the log | 15:34 | |
| tflink | but some more links to ARM info might be useful? | 15:34 |
| kparal | definitely, but I wouldn't duplicate it into every test case | 15:34 |
| pwhalen | kparal, I dont see any adjustments needed, boot the installer by any means | 15:34 |
| kparal | something like "ARM testing" info box at the top of the page, perhaps? | 15:35 |
| tflink | #info concerns about a lack of links to arm documentation were raised | 15:35 |
| pwhalen | tflink, lack of links to arm documentation? that testcase seems pretty straightforward | 15:35 |
| kparal | pwhalen: well, simple people like me don't realize that it means pxeboot (as the only method) :) I was looking for some real installation images, and they are not there, of course | 15:36 |
| tflink | kparal: can you think of a better way to phrase the #info above? | 15:37 |
| tflink | #chair kparal | 15:37 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: kparal tflink | 15:37 |
| tflink | pwhalen: I've not run through it before, to be honest | 15:38 |
| kparal | #info People with no or little experience with ARM might wonder where ARM installation images are. We might consider adding a brief info to the installation matrix wiki page. | 15:38 |
| tflink | ok, anything else here? | 15:39 |
| * tflink assumes not | 15:40 | |
| tflink | #info from earlier discussion, there are no currently known major issues with F20 alpha | 15:40 |
| tflink | which brings us to ... | 15:40 |
| tflink | #topic Open Floor | 15:40 |
| tflink | I have one thing for open floor if nobody else has anything? | 15:40 |
| kparal | I think we should mention that thanks to jskladan we have a simple way of seeing which test cases haven't been tested for a long time | 15:41 |
| kparal | http://testdays.qa.fedoraproject.org/testcase_stats/ | 15:41 |
| kparal | it's regenerated every hour or so | 15:41 |
| * jskladan blushes | 15:41 | |
| satellit_e | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1008569 | 15:41 |
| satellit_e | not sure how to mark it for FE | 15:41 |
| tflink | #link http://testdays.qa.fedoraproject.org/testcase_stats/ | 15:42 |
| tflink | satellit: mark it as blocking 980650 | 15:42 |
| satellit_e | ok | 15:42 |
| Viking-Ice | +1 FE | 15:42 |
| tflink | #info test case run statistics are regenerated ~ every hour and available at the url above | 15:43 |
| Viking-Ice | should not be any problem to the release blocking desktop adding those missing requirements to the soas ks file | 15:43 |
| tflink | jskladan: I thought you were supposed to change those dns entries | 15:43 |
| tflink | they were going to be changed, rather | 15:44 |
| tflink | Viking-Ice: sure, but we still need to go through the motions | 15:44 |
| jskladan | tflink: I'm not sure what do you mean right now, to be honest | 15:44 |
| jskladan | to be honest, I just spawned the regular cronjob there, since it's easily accessible public machine :) | 15:45 |
| tflink | jskladan: we can talk after the meeting, not sure what the resolution was | 15:45 |
| Viking-Ice | tflink, those here can just vote on the bug now | 15:45 |
| Viking-Ice | mean the fix for this should relatively straight forward and actually faster then us voting on it | 15:46 |
| pwhalen | +1 FE | 15:46 |
| tflink | satellit: you add AcceptedFreezeException after it's accepted, not at proposal time :) | 15:46 |
| tflink | +1 FE | 15:47 |
| satellit_e | oops sorry | 15:47 |
| tflink | #info 980650 accepted as FE for F20 alpha, +3 votes in meeting | 15:47 |
| tflink | ok | 15:48 |
| * satellit_e wish there was a dropdown with 980650 in bugzilla..... | 15:48 | |
| satellit_e | thanks | 15:48 |
| tflink | satellit_e: you'll be able to propose through the blocker tracking app again once I get it updated after the meeting | 15:48 |
| tflink | the other thing I wanted to bring up was optical media | 15:49 |
| tflink | size limits are not blocker issues for alpha, but booting from optical media is | 15:49 |
| Viking-Ice | yeah we should remove it | 15:50 |
| tflink | how do we want to handle the fact that the DVD.iso won't fit on a DVD? | 15:50 |
| kparal | Viking-Ice: remove what? | 15:50 |
| tflink | Viking-Ice: not going to happen | 15:50 |
| kparal | "Release-blocking live and dedicated installer images must boot when written to optical media of an appropriate size (if applicable) and when written to a USB stick with at least one of the officially supported methods." | 15:50 |
| Viking-Ice | kparal, tflink why not | 15:51 |
| Viking-Ice | with the exception of the releng DVD the SIG's themselfs control the target size | 15:51 |
| tflink | Viking-Ice: people still use it | 15:51 |
| * satellit_e not possible to split DVD to #1 and #2 with command to switch to #2 in boot? | 15:51 | |
| tflink | but we're talking about the DVD, not the spins | 15:51 |
| kparal | so if I wanted to be super sneaky, if you can't write the image to a medium, it doesn't violate the criterion | 15:51 |
| tflink | kparal: yeah, I was thinking something similar but figured it was worth discussion | 15:52 |
| Viking-Ice | tflink, people still have floppy drives and your point being | 15:52 |
| kparal | on the other hand, I could say that the ability to write it is a pre-requisite to testing this criterion and therefore it is a test blocker | 15:52 |
| dgilmore | tflink: we have to make it smaller | 15:52 |
| tflink | Viking-Ice: still have and still use are not the same thing | 15:52 |
| Viking-Ice | tflink, I'm pretty sure they try to use it once in a full moon ;) | 15:52 |
| Viking-Ice | we should really just stop shipping the dvd | 15:52 |
| kparal | we don't have the concept of TestBlocker in Fedora QA yet, but I think we should have it | 15:52 |
| dgilmore | Viking-Ice: thats a discussion for another day | 15:53 |
| tflink | kparal: i was thinking that booting from optical media could be moved to beta blocker, with the size limits | 15:53 |
| dgilmore | for today we will need to remove things to mak ethe dvd small enough to fit | 15:53 |
| dgilmore | tflink: always a option also | 15:53 |
| Viking-Ice | dgilmore, we should not be hitting sizing issue every god dam release cycle | 15:53 |
| tflink | or we move size limitations to alpha, but it's a little late to be mucking around with that | 15:53 |
| kparal | tflink: I'm in favor of that. but they should continue to boot in VM from .iso | 15:53 |
| tflink | yeah, I'm also OK with USB and iso in VM for alpha | 15:53 |
| satellit_e | and dd USB | 15:54 |
| dgilmore | Viking-Ice: blame the developers and packagers :) | 15:54 |
| kparal | tflink: size limits are Beta or Final? | 15:54 |
| tflink | #action tflink to propose moving 'boot from optical media' criterion from alpha to beta | 15:54 |
| dgilmore | kparal: Beta | 15:54 |
| tflink | beta | 15:54 |
| Viking-Ice | dgilmore, is it not the comps crew that's to blame here ;) | 15:54 |
| kparal | tflink: sounds good | 15:54 |
| Viking-Ice | tflink, just put an either or clause in the criteria | 15:54 |
| dgilmore | Viking-Ice: the comps maintainers are the packagers | 15:55 |
| tflink | Viking-Ice: either or? | 15:55 |
| Viking-Ice | dvd or usb | 15:55 |
| dgilmore | Viking-Ice: and I really dont think its comps to blame. but i could be wrong. software seems to be constantly growing deps | 15:55 |
| tflink | or just move the dvd criterion to beta | 15:55 |
| Viking-Ice | we can add a hard beta criteria but it's fine to have the criteria for alpha | 15:55 |
| Viking-Ice | ( it's going to be even worse hitting size-ing issues in beta ) | 15:56 |
| tflink | what is the point of having an optical media criterion for alpha if we have no size criterion? | 15:56 |
| kparal | I wouldn't split optical criteria between Alpha and Beta just because of DVD. it adds complexity | 15:56 |
| dgilmore | tflink: none | 15:56 |
| * satellit_e 2 DVD w/ different Desktops ? | 15:56 | |
| dgilmore | lets move optical media to Beta with size | 15:56 |
| tflink | but we're running short on time, if there's nothing else, I propose we move conversation to #fedora-qa and/or test@ | 15:56 |
| Viking-Ice | yeah sure | 15:56 |
| Viking-Ice | tflink, just move it | 15:57 |
| tflink | if there's nothing else ... | 15:57 |
| * tflink sets the fuse for (0,2] minutes | 15:58 | |
| tflink | Thanks for coming, everyone! | 15:58 |
| tflink | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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