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<h1>Devel SIG 2007-09-04</h1>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay, I guess we can start</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">does anyone have anything they want to discuss regarding the devel SIG?</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I'd like to discuss our stated goals a bit more</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">also, I emailed a start of a .ks to jeremy but didn't get any response - I'm assuming he's busy</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jeremy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">overholt: yeah, I've been trying to beat stuff into shape for test2 and haven't had a chance to look at it :/</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: that's cool</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I was discussing stuff offline with scsibear a bit</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we were trying to clarify what we're trying to accomplish</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and to distinguish the SIG work from our Eclipse work</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so we changed the wiki page of the SIG to say that we want to 'produce a great development distribution "out of the box" providing needed tools for both upstream developers and Fedora maintainers'</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">while there are other goals like getting new developers started and showcasing tools, we think that goal is simplest and most concise</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">overholt, iam new to this fedora development .. is there any site</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">where we can get the work assigned .. or pending/open modules</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">that we can start working on ?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: there's just a wiki page: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Development">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Development</a></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: no real defined work ATM</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: other than getting the spin off the ground, that is</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: I have some Fedora Eclipse stuff that I could talk to you about but that's not strictly SIG-related</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: what are your areas of interest?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">caillon_</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">linux_geek: a good first question is... what do you want to get out of this? what sorts of things would you like to see?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">iam a core c++ developer on unix platform</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">caillon .. i am a linux user and a open source liker .. i would like to contribute my service to this development..so that i can get satisfaction</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">that i did some service to the open source community</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">caillon_</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">do you have any specific targets?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">caillon_</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">eg, what sorts of things would you like to contribute to?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: how about documentation? care to work on that?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">i like to contribute on core development stuff and some testing stuff</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">as testing gives me some overall functionality understanding</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">overholt .. i can do work on documentation also, but to some less extent.. compared to development</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay, well let's try to talk about goals outside the spin for a moment</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">anyone have anything?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I think docs are important</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">jrb</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">docs of what?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">docs on how to get started with various development tasks</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">"how to write a gtk app on Fedora" could be one</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">abadger1999</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">docs are very important but can be an overwhelming task.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">of course</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I'm not saying we can do them all</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but some "getting started" docs are always in need</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">abadger1999</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">Maybe a first cut would be to organize existing docs on third party sites.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">caillon_</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">or at least point to them</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yeah</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">jrb</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">oh, tutorial type things</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I personally would like to start doing a regular screencast series of how to do certain things with Fedora Eclipse</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">abadger1999</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">In the gtk example, there would be the gtkAPI docs on www.gnome.org, pygtk docs on pygtk.org, some nice tutorials on the web, point to the pygtk demo in /usr/share/docs/pygtk.../</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">caillon</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">overholt: ++</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">caillon</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">totally do that</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">consider it done :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">abadger1999</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">overholt: Ooh... That would be a real value add</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">overholt ... u mean .. we have the docs .. but unorganised.. right ?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: yeah, collecting pointers to existing documentation would be a great thing to do</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">hey scsibear. anything specific you wanted to discuss today?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">caillon</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">linux_geek: pretty much. we have the docs. but its hard to figure out how to use them.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">scsibear</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #4b904b">overholt: nope</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">i can look into them if somebody can provide me the path</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">caillon</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">step 1 step 2 type stuff would be nice</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">perhaps some small Fedora-specific bits interspersed with upsream docs?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">and a small heads up .. of where to organise them</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: creating a wiki page on fedoraproject.org/wiki to start collecting links would be a good start</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">but i would be rather happy</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">if i can be accompanied by one more .. ONLY if possible</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">the only reason for sayin this .. is becaz. .iam new to this development</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: I can help guide you</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">and i dont want to delay things.. which might come up.. due to my ignorance :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">scsibear</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #4b904b">abadger1999: linking up the gtk api with the cdt and pydev is something on my TODO list, but if you want to help, that would be great</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">cool .. thanks overholt</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">as is evident, we have some plans and goals for Fedora Eclipse-related work</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">also.. one small thing .. is there any development work . that i can look into ?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but to be completely open, I don't have super well-defined plans around the rest of the spin or SIG</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">caillon</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">maybe linux_geek is interested in helping with eclipse :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">overholt .. is it mean.. eclipse development work on fedora.. or java related stuff</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">if its related to C++ iam ever-ready ;)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: there's plenty of Fedora Eclipse-related stuff :) we can chat offline and come up with a list or something</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">abadger1999</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">scsibear: heh, If you write a tutorial on doing that I might be able to help. (I haven't done much with Eclipse yet.)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">sure.. sounds good</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: send me an email: overholt at redhat dot com</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">btw, is it the same group that works for cryptography/security related stuff also for fedora ?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">caillon</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">linux_geek: we're interested in lowering the barrier to entry to start development tasks on fedora, really. one of those ways is with well integrated IDEs</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: we can report back next week and in the interim on the wiki</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">scsibear</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #4b904b">abadger1999: ok, it's probably easier for me to just do it ... i think writing a tutorial would be more effort than just doing it :)</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* caillon likes that elevator pitch</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">overholt .. i just sent a test mail to ur redhat a/c</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">scsibear suggested that we get another mailing list. while I usually poo-poo mailing list proliferation, I think it makes sense here - anyone else?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">overholt .. one more thing</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">we should have one page ( preferably wiki ) .. where we update the meeting minutes .. rather than mails.. what u say ?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: sorry, I don't understand. we have the wiki page with the minutes now</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I think we should have another mailing list for our project to discuss things not just during meeting times</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">oh, ok sorry.. then :) i thought we are sending meeting minutes in mails</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: np</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">k, since no one appears to object, I'll request a new mailing list and announce it on fedora-devel-list or something</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">anybody have anything else?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">caillon</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">overholt: do you want to state the goals within eclipse?</td></tr>
<tr><td class="other" colspan="3"> caillon c4chris ChanServ ChitleshGoorah ClausReheis cweyl CyberSpy </td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">caillon: I'm not sure if I have them in a nice elevator-push list yet :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but I can try</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">caillon</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">heh we can push to next week if you prefer</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">that might be best</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">then I can get them straight and clean and not ramble :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I really have nothing else. Same time next week.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">... anyone else? going once</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">overholt .. is our wiki page has the developers</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">name ( or handles )</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: feel free to add yourself :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">who are in our project ?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">anyone else do the same</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">overholt .. where ?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: we have a "Participants" section</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">can u give me the link pls</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: it lists a few of us. oh, but not IRC nicks. I'll add those. <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Development">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Development</a></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">going twice</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">linux_geek: we can continue talking after the meeting itself ends</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">linux_geek</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">k .. that gives me some soothening ;)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay, let's end for today. hopefully we'll have some good progress next week :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">thanks, everyone</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">overholt</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">------ end of meeting ------</td></tr>
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