| Sparks
| #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting
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| Sparks
| Roll Call!
| 00:02
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| * Sparks is here
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| * danielsmw is present
| 00:02
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| * Tsagadai is present
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| * ianweller
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| * joat is too
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| * jjmcd is here as well
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| * ianweller is *still* here
| 00:03
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| * rudi is here
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| Sparks
| Good turn out... still waiting for stickster and quaid
| 00:05
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| jjmcd
| and poelcat
| 00:05
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| Sparks
| and ke4qqq
| 00:06
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| * stickster is here for a few minutes
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| stickster
| Sparks: Did poelcat know about the schedule item?
| 00:06
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| Sparks
| I thought
| 00:06
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| stickster
| IOW, did someone let him know?
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| Sparks
| specifically about this meeting? I didn't.
| 00:07
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| stickster
| I don't know how he was supposed to know to be here then
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| Sparks
| He's not on IRC ATM
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| stickster
| He's logged in, just not around here
| 00:08
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| Sparks
| Wasn't he here last week when we pushed the calendar to this week?
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| stickster
| Not sure, I wasn't either :-D
| 00:08
|
| * ke4qqq is here
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| stickster
| But anyhow
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| stickster
| Let's move on and see if he comes in later
| 00:08
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| * quaid pops in
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| stickster
| I pinged him
| 00:08
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| * Sparks was on the wrong IRC server
| 00:08
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| * stickster waves to quaid
| 00:09
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| Sparks
| Okay, let's get going!
| 00:09
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) <-- ke4qqq
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| Sparks
| ke4qqq: Where are you?
| 00:09
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| ke4qqq
| right here
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| Sparks
| ke4qqq: Where are we on zikula?
| 00:09
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| ke4qqq
| getting very close WRT packaging - -Content is the big outstanding one I think
| 00:10
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| ke4qqq
| and we need mediashare
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| ke4qqq
| I'll try and get mediashare done by tonight
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| ke4qqq
| and get everything that's up for review done
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| ke4qqq
| as well
| 00:10
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| * Sparks didn't add his poll packages to the Zikula ticket as they weren't required.
| 00:11
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| ke4qqq
| and we still have the fedora specific stuff which I am trying to get uploaded now
| 00:11
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| stickster
| ke4qqq: If there's anything lacking by tomorrow, let me know -- I can spend some time on this Friday if needed.
| 00:11
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| * stickster blocked out time with ianweller to make sure packages are reviewed and pushed
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| ke4qqq
| outstanding!
| 00:11
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| Sparks
| Cool
| 00:13
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| Sparks
| Are all the "Need to Package" tickets assigned and being handled?
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| stickster
| News is done, by the way, awaiting review
| 00:13
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| stickster
| .bug 512027
| 00:13
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| Sparks
| stickster++
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| buggbot
| Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=512027 medium, medium, ---, nobody, NEW, Review Request: zikula-module-News - Manages news articles on your Zikula site
| 00:13
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| buggbot
| Bug 512027: medium, medium, ---, nobody, NEW, Review Request: zikula-module-News - Manages news articles on your Zikula site
| 00:13
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| ke4qqq
| Sparks: the mediashare I don't know if it is done
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| stickster
| Hmm, those bots need to figure out who's on first.
| 00:14
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| Sparks
| I seem to remember that one had some problems?
| 00:14
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| stickster
| Sparks: We really need to set up dedicated time to go through these one by one.
| 00:14
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| ke4qqq
| Sparks: it needed several dependencies which I think stickster took care of most of, and I took care of the other one
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| stickster
| i.e. bug review for packages for those that aren't closed
| 00:15
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| stickster
| Maybe ianweller and I can make that a focus for Friday.
| 00:15
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| ianweller
| Friday Focus(tm)
| 00:15
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| * stickster prefers a methodical approach so we don't wonder, "Didn't we... did you...?" later..
| 00:15
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| Sparks
| stickster: I agree. Put me down for Friday. I'll see what my calendar looks like tomorrow
| 00:15
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| ke4qqq
| +1 the scope is just a bit large at the moment and I don't think any of us have spent the time looking at all ~20 tickts/packages.
| 00:16
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| ianweller
| stickster: who are you again?
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| ianweller
| ;)
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| stickster
| The guy who capitalizes stuff
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| ianweller
| everything but your nick
| 00:16
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| ianweller
| moving on!
| 00:16
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| ianweller
| :)
| 00:16
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| Sparks
| Okay... anything else on the Zikula stuff?
| 00:17
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| stickster
| So ACTION - ianweller, stickster, Sparks(?), ke4qqq(?) to look at status with a magnifying glass on Friday
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| Sparks
| #ACTION ianweller stickster Sparks ke4qqq to look at status on Zikula on Friday to make sure everything is getting done.
| 00:17
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| * ianweller isn't sure if it takes CAPITALIZED commands
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| Sparks
| #action ianweller stickster Sparks ke4qqq to look at status on Zikula on Friday to make sure everything is getting done.
| 00:18
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| Sparks
| #lights #camera
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| stickster
| We'll soon find out ;-)
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| jjmcd
| C programmers - sheesh
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| Sparks
| Okay... Moving on...
| 00:19
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CC license discussion. <--quaid
| 00:19
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| Sparks
| #link http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/
| 00:19
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| Sparks
| quaid: What do you have for us tonight?
| 00:19
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| * Sparks thought quaid was here
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| * ianweller thought so too
| 00:21
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| * ke4qqq is stepping away for a moment
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| stickster
| I think it works when you say: quaid quaid quaid quaid quaid
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| stickster
| Like that.
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| Sparks
| Oh
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| Sparks
| quaid quaid quaid quaid quaid
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| ianweller
| quack quack quack quack quack
| 00:22
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| stickster
| So Sparks, what was the holdover from the last meeting on this topic?
| 00:22
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| Sparks
| the last meeting was week 1... we were waiting for the sky to fall
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| Sparks
| but it didn't
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| stickster
| Right, and we set a 2 week call for input, right?
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| Sparks
| yes
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| * stickster overuses "right," right?
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| Sparks
| right
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| Sparks
| correct
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| stickster
| Heh
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| stickster
| I haven't personally seen any odd input.
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| stickster
| No even input, either.
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| Sparks
| I haven't personally seen any input
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| stickster
| If it were my call, I would say that the time for input is over and the time for action is now.
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| Sparks
| Does anyone have any input?
| 00:24
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| * danielsmw doesn't.
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| Sparks
| MOTION: I say we make everything written CC-BY-SA v3.
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| stickster
| I don't know what's happening internally with RH Content Services though, quaid was mediating that
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| ianweller
| second
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| Sparks
| +1
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| ianweller
| +1
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| joat
| +1
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| danielsmw
| +1
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| Tsagadai
| +1 for new stuff
| 00:25
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| * stickster tries to remember how zodbot is commanded here... "resolved?"
| 00:26
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| Sparks
| #agreed All documenation will be changed to a CC-BY-SA v3 license.
| 00:26
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| stickster
| yeah, that's the ticket.
| 00:26
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| * Sparks waits for all the confetti and ticker tape to stop falling
| 00:26
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| * danielsmw observers that the confetti stopped.
| 00:27
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| * danielsmw s/observers/observed/
| 00:27
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| Sparks
| Okay... moving on
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| Sparks
| ke4qqq: You back?
| 00:27
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| Sparks
| #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
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| Sparks
| #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW
| 00:28
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| quaid
| *sigh*
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| quaid
| you guys never need me when I'm on this screen
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| Sparks
| There are 23 tickets that haven't been assigned. Please go through them and see what you can work on.
| 00:29
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| Sparks
| quaid: We called and quacked but you didn't come
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| quaid
| yeah, I see that _now_
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: There are a few tickets in there for the RNs
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| jjmcd
| Yep, I thought I grabbed most of them. Having some git issues a week or so ago, expect to come up for air Friday (finally)
| 00:30
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| Sparks
| I'm going to start assigning them on Friday so if you want something cool better roger up for it now! :)
| 00:30
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| * stickster is going to close his if he doesn't get input from f13 or jeremy
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| jjmcd
| I thought it would be tomorrow but I gotta go up to gladwin for a funeral
| 00:30
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| jjmcd
| yeah, most of the rn ones are straightforward
| 00:31
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| stickster
| .bug 474368 by the way
| 00:31
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| buggbot
| Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=474368 medium, low, ---, stickster, NEW, Live CDs README says wrong minimal memory requirement
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| stickster
| Ha, zodbot, you lose
| 00:31
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| Sparks
| So there are 23 NEW tickets and 58 tickets in process. Let's see if we can clean that up some before next week.
| 00:32
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| Sparks
| Anyone have anything else?
| 00:33
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| Sparks
| ke4qqq: You back?
| 00:33
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| stickster
| Sorry, miskey here
| 00:33
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| * stickster has to run away now that he fixed what he done broke
| 00:34
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| Sparks
| bah
| 00:34
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| Sparks
| #topic F12 Calendar <-- poelcat
| 00:34
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| Sparks
| Does anyone have any input on the F12 calendar?
| 00:34
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| ianweller
| do you have a link?
| 00:34
|
| * Sparks thinks someone hasn't been paying attention
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| ianweller
| i have my hands in about 500 subprojects, what do you expect :)
| 00:35
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| Sparks
| ianweller: for you to know where the F12 calendar is.
| 00:35
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| Sparks
| I actually don't have that link handy right this second.
| 00:35
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| Sparks
| I've been using the iCal.
| 00:35
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| ianweller
| :-o
| 00:36
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| Sparks
| I'll push it on the list later.
| 00:36
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| Sparks
| anyone else?
| 00:36
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| rudi
| http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-docs-and-trans-tasks.html
| 00:36
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| Sparks
| rudi++
| 00:36
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| * ianweller has nothing
| 00:37
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide needs?
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| Sparks
| User Guide
| 00:38
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| Sparks
| #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-July/msg00034.html
| 00:38
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| Sparks
| #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-July/msg00039.html
| 00:38
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| Sparks
| danielsmw: What do you have for the User Guide?
| 00:38
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| danielsmw
| Well, one thing I have
| 00:38
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| danielsmw
| I take that back
| 00:38
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| danielsmw
| I have a lot more than one thiing.
| 00:38
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| danielsmw
| Um... so rudi's response on the list if you saw it was very good (it's the latter link)
| 00:39
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| danielsmw
| And a lot of whats in that document is where I want to go with the UG.
| 00:39
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| danielsmw
| So the plan in my head is to completely start from scratch, and pull in the old content that we want to use on a case-by-case basis
| 00:39
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| ianweller
| (+1)
| 00:39
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| danielsmw
| so we aren't abandoning the old content, but we're bringing it in to a new format so to speak.
| 00:40
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| Sparks
| Wow, now that's a makeover
| 00:40
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| danielsmw
| Yeah, it is.
| 00:40
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| danielsmw
| But I think it really needs it.
| 00:40
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| rudi
| danielsmw -- that's definitely the easiest way to do it
| 00:40
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| danielsmw
| Since I took the thing over for F8
| 00:40
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| danielsmw
| it's really just been changed slightly every release
| 00:40
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| danielsmw
| and it's become somewhat less easy to manage as it is.
| 00:41
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| danielsmw
| It's needs a cleanup makeover.
| 00:41
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| danielsmw
| So that's the plan.
| 00:41
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| danielsmw
| Also, as a side note,
| 00:41
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| Sparks
| danielsmw: Do you have the help/resources you need to make it happen?
| 00:41
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| * rudi is happy to help out with the Publican XML skeleton
| 00:41
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| danielsmw
| Sparks: not formally
| 00:41
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| Sparks
| danielsmw: cool
| 00:42
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| danielsmw
| But anyway, I was thinking... I'm not sure that User Guide is an appropriate name.
| 00:42
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| danielsmw
| If we go this new route per rudi's suggestions and my thoughts.
| 00:42
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| ianweller
| Do Stuff Guide
| 00:42
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| danielsmw
| Because it would be more like a mixture of an FAQ and a cookbook
| 00:42
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| danielsmw
| Like a Fedora Desktop Cookbook
| 00:42
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| danielsmw
| or something
| 00:42
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| Sparks
| cool
| 00:42
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| ianweller
| ooh i like that.
| 00:42
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| ianweller
| very much like that.
| 00:43
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| danielsmw
| thanks ianweller :)
| 00:43
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| danielsmw
| One other poll question
| 00:43
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| danielsmw
| The audience for this document....
| 00:43
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| danielsmw
| I was thinking about this: is it for the previously computerless new user? or is it for someone who probably new what they were doing in windows and wants to get involved in linux now?
| 00:43
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| ianweller
| both.
| 00:44
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| danielsmw
| ianweller: that's what i was afraid of
| 00:44
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| rudi
| I agree, both
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| ianweller
| danielsmw: i know it's scary
| 00:44
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| danielsmw
| Okay, that's still fine.
| 00:44
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| rudi
| Buuut, don't overestimate the degree to which "they knew what they were doing in Windows"
| 00:44
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| danielsmw
| lol
| 00:44
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| danielsmw
| I'm not sure how much one can know what they're doing in windows,
| 00:45
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| danielsmw
| but i get what you mean.
| 00:45
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| rudi
| I didn't mean that in an entirely cynical way
| 00:45
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| danielsmw
| Right
| 00:45
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| danielsmw
| But I mean
| 00:45
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| danielsmw
| I don't need to explain mouse usage or how to insert a CD.
| 00:45
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| rudi
| More that 90% of people spend 90% of their time at their home/small business computers doing the same small number of tasks
| 00:45
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| rudi
| There's an element of self-selection here...
| 00:45
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| Sparks
| packaging?
| 00:45
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| danielsmw
| Oh, and as for contributing upstream
| 00:46
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| rudi
| I think those things are at an even more basic level than we can really cater to
| 00:46
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| danielsmw
| per rudi's email's suggestion
| 00:46
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| danielsmw
| I think that will be more doable in the new format as well.
| 00:46
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| danielsmw
| As would be pulling from downstream.
| 00:46
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| danielsmw
| So that could help a lot with the rewriting process.
| 00:46
|
| * rudi emphasises that wherever we can reuse existing text, we need to make an effort to do so, to ease the load on l10n
| 00:47
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| danielsmw
| rudi: understood
| 00:47
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| danielsmw
| And with that, the brevity drought I tend to bring on is at an end.
| 00:47
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| Sparks
| Cool
| 00:48
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| Sparks
| Anyone have anything for the User Guide/Fedora Desktop Cookbook?
| 00:49
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| * rudi really dislikes the "Cookbook" title, but will take it to the mailing list
| 00:49
|
| Sparks
| noted
| 00:50
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| Sparks
| Okay... I have a request for the Security Guide
| 00:50
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| Sparks
| So I finally got it approved and submitted the SRPM but it fails to build in koji.
| 00:50
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| Sparks
| #link http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=1474242&name=build.log
| 00:51
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| Sparks
| Being that this should affect all Publican patches I'm trying to get it figured out.
| 00:51
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| Sparks
| I just don't understand this one.
| 00:51
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| Sparks
| So if anyone has any ideas please get with me after the meeting
| 00:52
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| Sparks
| Anyone have anything else for existing guides?
| 00:52
|
| Sparks
| #topic New Guides
| 00:52
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| Sparks
| Tsagadai: Go
| 00:53
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| Tsagadai
| yes
| 00:53
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| Tsagadai
| I have been writing the Virtualization Guide for some time
| 00:54
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| Tsagadai
| It's time to send the good stuff upstream
| 00:54
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| Sparks
| Tsagadai: what format? DocBook?
| 00:55
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| Tsagadai
| Docbook
| 00:55
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| Tsagadai
| about 300 pages :)
| 00:55
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| rudi
| (and already Publicanized)
| 00:55
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| Sparks
| +1000
| 00:55
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| ianweller
| +9000
| 00:56
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| Sparks
| Tsagadai: We can set you up on docs.fp.o if you like
| 00:56
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| Tsagadai
| that would be great
| 00:56
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| Sparks
| Tsagadai: Great. We'll get you setup tonight
| 00:57
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| rudi
| Tsagadai -- you should also open an infra ticket to get the code hosted
| 00:57
|
| Tsagadai
| link please?
| 00:58
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| rudi
| Tsagadai -- I'll walk you through it after the meeting :)
| 00:58
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| Tsagadai
| to host on fh.o?
| 00:58
|
| * danielsmw has to leave a bit early; peace.
| 00:58
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| rudi
| Yeah, so you can get Transifex hooked into it as well
| 00:58
|
| Tsagadai
| ah
| 00:58
|
| * ianweller notes we have 35 seconds left in the hour
| 00:59
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| Tsagadai
| So the Fedora Virtualization Guide is approved for F12?
| 00:59
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| Sparks
| Tsagadai: Go ahead and build the html, html-single, and PDF and we'll get all that uploaded tonight to docs.fp.o.
| 00:59
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| Sparks
| Tsagadai: WORKSFORME
| 00:59
|
| Sparks
| :)
| 00:59
|
| Sparks
| Anyone have anything for the Virtualization Guide?
| 01:00
|
| Sparks
| Tsagadai: Thank you for bringing this to us tonight.
| 01:00
|
| Sparks
| Any other new guides?
| 01:01
|
| * rudi has been sketching out the Installation Quick Start Guide, but the skeleton's not quite ready yet.
| 01:01
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| Sparks
| rudi: Have you seen the screenshots on the wiki?
| 01:01
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| rudi
| Yes
| 01:01
|
| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Installing_Fedora_11_Leonidas
| 01:01
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| Sparks
| ^^^ for those that haven't
| 01:01
|
| Sparks
| rudi: Anything else on that?
| 01:02
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| rudi
| Nothing at this stage
| 01:02
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| Sparks
| ok
| 01:02
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| rudi
| I hoped to have something ready for today, but don't :)
| 01:03
|
| Sparks
| Tsagadai: Almost forgot... Can you add your guide to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Guides, please?
| 01:03
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| Tsagadai
| sure
| 01:03
|
| Sparks
| Okay...
| 01:03
|
| Sparks
| #topic All other business
| 01:03
|
| Sparks
| Anyone have anything they want to discuss?
| 01:03
|
| * jjmcd moves to adjourn
| 01:05
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| Sparks
| nAnyone?
| 01:05
|
| Sparks
| Thanks everyone for coming!
| 01:05
|
| Sparks
| #endmeeting
| 01:05
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