| ianweller
| #startmeeting Fedora Marketing
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| ianweller
| #chair themayor
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| ianweller
| :)
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| ianweller
| where's the list of people themayor usually pings lol
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| themayor
| im here
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| themayor
| i usually ping moixs, mizmo, herlo, err who else
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| themayor
| inode0: ping
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| themayor
| jds2001: ping
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| themayor
| anyway
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| themayor
| lets just get started
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| themayor
| okay so basically i wanted to discuss as a follow up from last weeks meeting
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| themayor
| there has been some action on foobar
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| mizmo
| yoyo
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| themayor
| rahul and some others have been working on news.fp.o, or they were actually and there was no traction for a while
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| themayor
| so after some confusion, rahul sort of agreed we should ditch that
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| ianweller
| is foobar the name or just the codename we're working with
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| themayor
| just the codename
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| ianweller
| ok
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| themayor
| we havent picked a name yet, but as you can see many have been offered
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| themayor
| i dont think its important to pick a name right now, before we start getting things together, maybe next week we can spend time picking a name
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| themayor
| mizmo: have you seen the wiki page
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| ianweller
| understood
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| mizmo
| themayor: last week i did im guessing theres more content since then?
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| themayor
| some, i dont know when you looked at it
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| themayor
| anyway so basically jonrob, you are back in action?
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| JonRob
| i'm on summer vacation now, yeah :)
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| ianweller
| #topic foobar
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| themayor
| okay, great, and i take it you intend to help with project foobar then?
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| JonRob
| i would love to
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| JonRob
| i worked pretty hard and long for news.fp.o, so if we can get its natural successor up and running, i'd be very happy
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| themayor
| awesome alright
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| themayor
| yeah i think this new project has alot of potentiak
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| themayor
| okay so all that being said, i think we should try and do 2 things today
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| themayor
| first, see if we want to add anything to the goals, or direction of the project while we are still in the early phases
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| themayor
| and then second, lets start figuring out some action items and gettting the ball rolling
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| themayor
| sound good?
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| ianweller
| sure
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| mizmo
| themayor: i want a rawhide weather report lol
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| themayor
| we can do that
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| themayor
| lol
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| themayor
| something to talk to jesse about
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| ianweller
| that's one of the proposals i think
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| ianweller
| determining how rainy rawhide is
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| themayor
| the project is great because i think each sub group can manage their own thing too
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| themayor
| okay so first up, everyone pull up the wiki page and tell me if you think we need to add anything"
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| themayor
| ?
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| JonRob
| Some kind of editorial role to ensure quality of content?
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| JonRob
| if this is to be the face of fedora to the outside world, everything needs to be spot on
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| themayor
| yes sort of
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| ianweller
| how are we going to increase the amount of video/audio production
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| themayor
| i think what we will have is an editorial board responsible for monitoring each section, and the respective team
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| themayor
| ianweller: i am going to work alot on content production
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| JonRob
| themayor: yeah, exactly
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| themayor
| and we will get others
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| themayor
| we already have people doing it
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| themayor
| and when people see this flourish they will be interested in jumping on board
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| JonRob
| i wouldn't underestimate how hard getting enough content will be
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| JonRob
| i've been involved with both fedora tv and news.fp.o
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| themayor
| JonRob: thats why i suggested a journal style
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| JonRob
| and both struggled with that side of things
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| JonRob
| as did RHM
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| JonRob
| what do you mean by journal, and how do you think that will help?
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| themayor
| because it gives us a fairly large windows to aggregate and/or produce larger pieces
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| themayor
| hrm, journal, i think mizmo described it best in the meeting, mo do you remember what you said that day?
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| JonRob
| oh, you mean like a monthly magazine?
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| themayor
| something like that
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| JonRob
| ok i see what you mean by that
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| themayor
| like big pieces less often and smaller pieces more often
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| themayor
| so for example
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| themayor
| fedora weekly news, that continues as is
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| themayor
| or whatever the news team ends up wanting to do with it
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| mizmo
| well one thing i remember mentioning in the meeting is that there might be a regular schedule for things
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| themayor
| yes
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| themayor
| so for example every week we have weekly news
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| mizmo
| like the 1st week of each month is 'contributor interview week'
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| ianweller
| "planet fridays"
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| mizmo
| we pick a contributor and do an interview
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| themayor
| on a week 1 we have some audio
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| themayor
| yes exactly
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| themayor
| and its all just flows together
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| JonRob
| this is more or less the plan we had for news.fp.o, except spacing it out into weeks instead of days is a good idea!
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| themayor
| i wont lie, it will take probably 2-3 months to seed alot of stuff on there
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| themayor
| but at that point we will be on all cylinders
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| themayor
| if we set up things on a schedule and we have a month to prepare them, it takes alot of pressure off
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| themayor
| and it helps organize things
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| themayor
| i think alot of the issues now are we know what we need to do, but not always by when, and we often end up doing things a 2-3 days before we need them when we could easily expand that timetable which would aid us tremendously
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| themayor
| also aggregating pieces while distributing editorial control helps alleviate a "managerial" burden of producing/distributing stuff and also gives that specific team more control
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| JonRob
| themayor, have you asked rhm team about their experiences?
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| JonRob
| enquired if they were interested in getting involved?
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| themayor
| JonRob: honestly no because many of them are busy and they have a certain focus
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| themayor
| i dont want to distract them
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| themayor
| and they have responsibilities to that
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| themayor
| we can always let them get involved after
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| JonRob
| ok that's fair, i guess it's for each person to come to the project themselves
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| themayor
| and right now, we are building infrastructure and setting up, i would rather not tack more onto their workload
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| themayor
| people are already overloaded
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| themayor
| anyway so with regard to goals stuff we are solid on that right?
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| themayor
| no one wants to add anything
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| themayor
| you guys with me? am i talking too fast lol?
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| JonRob
| all is good
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| themayor
| okay so now action plan
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| mizmo
| i think im good
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| themayor
| what do we do this with?
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| themayor
| wordpress, drupal
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| ianweller
| drupal has really iffy security.
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| themayor
| we can do all this in wordpress i think?
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| ianweller
| yes
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| mizmo
| wordpress++
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| themayor
| didnt we look at wordpress for news.fp.o
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| JonRob
| yeah
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| JonRob
| and wordpress is probs the best way to go
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| ianweller
| be sure to check with infrastructure.
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| JonRob
| has a big advantage being pre-packaged, a requirement of the infra team
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| ianweller
| we need to work with them every step of the way
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| themayor
| back then it wasnt mature and we tried a few time to do things with what was the open source hosted wordpress think ibiblio did called
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| ianweller
| so that they don't get surprised at the last minute
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| JonRob
| and they've already been experimenting with deployments
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| themayor
| yeah okay so lets set out what we need
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| ianweller
| JonRob: they're presently experimenting with a blogs.fp.o using wordpress-mu
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| JonRob
| might also be worth investigating working with docs et al on zicular
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| themayor
| isnt it zikula?
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| JonRob
| ianweller: and we had many different test instances up for news.fp.o
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| JonRob
| themayor, perhaps, it's a strange word i don't know how to spell!
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| themayor
| yeah im pretty sure its zikula lol ;)
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| JonRob
| if we worked with docs
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| ianweller
| zikula <-- that
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| JonRob
| it would lighten the load on us, docs and infra
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| themayor
| yes we are going to
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| themayor
| i spoke to sparks a couple of times
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| ianweller
| (fwiw i'm working on a relatively similar project at my school's newspaper with their website)
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| themayor
| ianweller: can we see?
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| ianweller
| well the html is about 5% complete so no :)
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| ianweller
| it'll be new as of uhhh hopefully late august
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| ianweller
| running wordpress.
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| themayor
| hahaha
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| themayor
| okay
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| abadger1999
| wordpress or zikula... I'm really loving the zikula devs lately (they are very open to making changes to satisfy packaging guidelines and helping the docs team with custom plugins)
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| themayor
| well we need 3-4 things to happen then
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| themayor
| 1. talks to infrastructure about what platform to use
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| mizmo
| wordpress has a nice podcast plugin thingy that makes it easy to do podcast posts
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| mizmo
| but i dont know anything about zikula
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| themayor
| thats why we have infrastructure
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| themayor
| 2. we need to talk to news and figure out who they want to tie in to all this
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| themayor
| 3. we need to talk to docs and figure out a publication list and fit that into a schedule
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| themayor
| and 4. i forgot but im sure someone else can think of something
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| ianweller
| 4. donuts
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| themayor
| lol
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| ianweller
| thought of something ^_^
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| themayor
| anyway, does anyone want to talk to infrastrtucture about platform
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| themayor
| whoa, an asian girl just showed up on my screen after ian's last line
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| themayor
| whoa
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| * ianweller ctcp versions themayor
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| ianweller
| oh, that would explain it
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| ianweller
| mac os x, how could you?! :P
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| themayor
| haha, i missed the button when i booted, so i just let it go, lol
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| ianweller
| lol
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| themayor
| JonRob: how close are you with the fedora weekly news guys
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| JonRob
| i lost touch after tchung pulled out, don't really know pascal etc
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| JonRob
| would be happy to drop by, although all my approaches in the past have fallen on death ears
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| JonRob
| deaf*
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| themayor
| ah, okay, well either way, would you wanna be responsible for talking to the news team and laying the plan out and seeing what they say
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| JonRob
| i will happily do so
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| themayor
| okay
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| themayor
| so ianweller you wanna talk to infrastructure guys and ill cover docs?
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| ianweller
| sure
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| themayor
| also ianweller whats going on with the metrics, how are we going to tie that into this?
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| ianweller
| what's currently going on is i'm hacking with fedora community/moksha
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| ianweller
| and attempting to grok it
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| themayor
| okay, so are we trying to build something new or using some existing tools?
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| ianweller
| kinda both.
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| ianweller
| we're going to integrate it as a new 'statistics' tab in fedora community
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| ianweller
| a lot of new code is going to need to be written, preferrably in python-fedora
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| ianweller
| i'll expand python-fedora a ton to handle things like the wiki, mailing lists, and perhaps web serverl ogs
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| themayor
| okay, so what is it going to do, like give each individual person a breakdown of stats that they are looking for?
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| ianweller
| which is where the integration with foobar comes in
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| ianweller
| themayor: there will be a relatively large stats section. on the right side of the page there will be different parts of fedora infrastructure that you can look at
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| ianweller
| in the current pre-alpha code there's 'wiki' and 'updates'
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| themayor
| do you have any mickups?
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| themayor
| mockups?
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| ianweller
| yeah hold on
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| ianweller
| i have a screenshot of lmacken's work
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| ianweller
| http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedoracommunity-statistics.png
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| themayor
| also, when are you going to be talking to max about things, because i also dont want us to reinvent the wheel for this, from marketings perspective
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| ianweller
| running locally
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| themayor
| ah i see
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| ianweller
| so theoretically you could have 'foobar' on the right and you could see whatever metrics we code for.
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| ianweller
| (which would most likely be grokking the access logs on log1)
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| ianweller
| ((which means i have to write an api for that, blugh)
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| ianweller
| )
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| ianweller
| themayor: i'll talk to max about it whenever he wants me to.
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| ianweller
| if he has questions o
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| ianweller
| blugh
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| ianweller
| if he has questions i'll answer 'em
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| ianweller
| i don't really have anything cohesive yet other than that :P
| 20:51
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| themayor
| okay i just saw the email exchange he had with you and he mentioned we will do it on the list, you did a fair bit of talking to him already about what he wants right?
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| ianweller
| yeah
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| themayor
| okay
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| themayor
| well lets see how things roll out, JonRob and ian, can we each try and take care of our action item by thurs/fri and report back to the list?
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| JonRob
| i'm writing the e-mail right now
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| ianweller
| sure
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| themayor
| awesome
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| themayor
| ill talk to sparks when i catch him today or tomorrow
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| themayor
| and then we can all report back, figure out what directions things are going in and move forward, hopefully next week we can start making a decision on platform
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| themayor
| make sure to reference foobar in stuff you post to the list, i set up a special filter ;)
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| themayor
| ^_^
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| themayor
| i like that one
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| * ianweller hits themayor
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| themayor
| lol
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| themayor
| alright sounds good
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| themayor
| so lets call it a meeting and get cracking
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| * ianweller notes that themayor wants to use the command #endmeeting
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| themayor
| #endmeeting
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