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Attendees
People Present (lines said):
- Adam Williamson (adamw) (120)
- Jesse Keating (Oxf13) (49)
- Seth Vidal (skvidal) (24)
- David Pravec (dpravec) (23)
- Denise Dumas (denise) (22)
- Jeff Hann (jeff_hann) (12)
- Kamil Paral (kparal) (6)
- John Poelstra (poelcat) (5)
- Jeroen van Meeuwen (kanarip) (3)
- Kevin Fenzi (nirik) (1)
Regrets:
- James Laska (jlaska)
Agenda
Upcoming QA events
- 2009-09-01 - BugZappers/Meetings
- 2009-09-23 - F12 Beta Test Compose
- 2009-09-24 - Xfce Test Day
- 2009-09-25 - Beta Blocker Bug Day #3
Action items
IRC transcript
| adamw | #startmeeting 2009-09-21 Fedora QA meeting | Sep 21 08:59 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Sep 21 15:59:59 2009 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | Sep 21 08:59 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | Sep 21 08:59 |
| ---zodbot has changed the topic to: (Meeting topic: 2009-09-21 Fedora QA meeting) | Sep 21 08:59 | |
| adamw | #topic gathering people | Sep 21 09:00 |
| ---zodbot has changed the topic to: gathering people (Meeting topic: 2009-09-21 Fedora QA meeting) | Sep 21 09:00 | |
| adamw | QA meeting time, folks: who's here? | Sep 21 09:00 |
| *kparal is here | Sep 21 09:01 | |
| adamw | wwoods: dpravec: kparal: oxf13: ping | Sep 21 09:01 |
| adamw | poelcat: ping | Sep 21 09:01 |
| dpravec | pong | Sep 21 09:01 |
| adamw | hmm, must be a case of the mondays :) | Sep 21 09:01 |
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| adamw | well, let's get going and see what happens | Sep 21 09:02 |
| adamw | #topic last meeting follow up | Sep 21 09:02 |
| ---zodbot has changed the topic to: last meeting follow up (Meeting topic: 2009-09-21 Fedora QA meeting) | Sep 21 09:02 | |
| adamw | the only real follow-up topic that I see is zsync | Sep 21 09:02 |
| adamw | we tried to get the packaging problem kickstarted, but it doesn't appear to really be going anywhere yet. the -devel-list discussion thread is here, for reference: | Sep 21 09:03 |
| adamw | #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-September/msg00525.html | Sep 21 09:03 |
| adamw | kparal, nirik, anything else to add? | Sep 21 09:03 |
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| kparal | unfortunatelly i have skipped this conversation somehow, so i have to first read it | Sep 21 09:04 |
| kparal | which means nothing to add atm | Sep 21 09:04 |
| adamw | alright | Sep 21 09:04 |
| adamw | anyone want to follow up on anything else from last week's meeting? | Sep 21 09:05 |
| *nirik doesn't have anything to add there. Someone needs to start talking to various upstreams... | Sep 21 09:05 | |
| Oxf13 | adamw: pong, but I'm at LinuxCon | Sep 21 09:07 |
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| adamw | Oxf13: ah, ok. | Sep 21 09:07 |
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| *jeff_hann here | Sep 21 09:08 | |
| adamw | hi, jeff. | Sep 21 09:08 |
| adamw | well, next topic on the agenda is: | Sep 21 09:08 |
| adamw | #topic autoqa update | Sep 21 09:08 |
| ---zodbot has changed the topic to: autoqa update (Meeting topic: 2009-09-21 Fedora QA meeting) | Sep 21 09:08 | |
| adamw | wwoods: around yet? | Sep 21 09:08 |
| adamw | hmm, i guess we can come back to it | Sep 21 09:09 |
| adamw | so, onto: | Sep 21 09:09 |
| dpravec | heh i think we need james to be back soon | Sep 21 09:09 |
| adamw | dpravec: meanie! :) | Sep 21 09:10 |
| dpravec | adamw: :) | Sep 21 09:10 |
| adamw | then, onto: | Sep 21 09:10 |
| adamw | #topic upcoming events | Sep 21 09:10 |
| ---zodbot has changed the topic to: upcoming events (Meeting topic: 2009-09-21 Fedora QA meeting) | Sep 21 09:10 | |
| adamw | so we're coming up on beta release reasonably soon now | Sep 21 09:10 |
| adamw | we have the test compose process starting up this week and a beta blocker review on fridauy | Sep 21 09:11 |
| adamw | obviously we need to get as much testing done on the test composes, particularly installation, as we can | Sep 21 09:11 |
| adamw | there's quite a few beta blocker bugs in MODIFIED status that need fix confirmation, so if people can help out with that it'd be great. | Sep 21 09:11 |
| jeff_hann | adamw: link please | Sep 21 09:12 |
| adamw | Jeff_S: sec | Sep 21 09:12 |
| adamw | grr | Sep 21 09:12 |
| adamw | jeff_hann: a sec | Sep 21 09:12 |
| jeff_hann | :) ok, no prob | Sep 21 09:12 |
| kparal | adamw: should i tag bugs recently reported against anaconda with the f12blocker keyword? | Sep 21 09:12 |
| dpravec | adamw: not drectly related to this, but i was talking to anaconda guys... and they told me that they need to have stable api 14 days before each freeze/release. | Sep 21 09:12 |
| adamw | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=507678&hide_resolved=1 | Sep 21 09:12 |
| kparal | meaning my own bugs | Sep 21 09:12 |
| adamw | kparal: tag bugs as blockers that you think are blockers :) | Sep 21 09:13 |
| adamw | f12blocker is the *final release* blocker | Sep 21 09:13 |
| dpravec | do you think we can do something for them to make the life easier for anaconda devels? | Sep 21 09:13 |
| adamw | if you think it should block the beta release, use f12beta | Sep 21 09:13 |
| adamw | dpravec: what do you mean by 'have stable api'? they're the ones defining the API... | Sep 21 09:13 |
| dpravec | they are using other tools | Sep 21 09:13 |
| adamw | ah, i see. | Sep 21 09:13 |
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| adamw | that's more of a devel discussion, i think, freezing everything that anaconda depends on two weeks before every pre-release would be a fairly major change | Sep 21 09:14 |
| adamw | but of course for the final release there's already a general freeze in place at that point | Sep 21 09:14 |
| dpravec | not freezing, just api freeze | Sep 21 09:14 |
| adamw | still...but yeah, that could be practical. um. | Sep 21 09:15 |
| adamw | Oxf13: what do you think of that? | Sep 21 09:15 |
| dpravec | so they could use comandline tools for managing for example lvm | Sep 21 09:15 |
| Oxf13 | adamw: that really falls into the critical path stuff | Sep 21 09:16 |
| Oxf13 | and autoqa | Sep 21 09:16 |
| Oxf13 | freezing without testing doesn't help nearly as much as just testing | Sep 21 09:16 |
| kparal | that's true | Sep 21 09:17 |
| adamw | i think we need jlaska back =) | Sep 21 09:17 |
| adamw | denise: are you around? any input on this from the anaconda team POV? | Sep 21 09:17 |
| denise | reading back ... | Sep 21 09:18 |
| adamw | denise: key quote: "<dpravec> adamw: not drectly related to this, but i was talking to anaconda guys... and they told me that they need to have stable api 14 days before each freeze/release." | Sep 21 09:18 |
| dpravec | maybe before release | Sep 21 09:18 |
| denise | even if people just stopped moving libraries around! | Sep 21 09:19 |
| dpravec | they explained to me that when other packages will upload changes in last day before freeze, anaconda will have big problem | Sep 21 09:19 |
| adamw | jeff_hann: did you get the link? as you can see, there's currently four bugs marked as f12beta and modified, they're all installer issues | Sep 21 09:19 |
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| dpravec | i mean those system packages anaconda cooperates with | Sep 21 09:19 |
| adamw | denise: this sounds like maybe more a communication issue than anything else. are the maintainers of all components that are critical to anaconda _aware_ that they're critical to anaconda? are you in regular touch with them? | Sep 21 09:20 |
| jeff_hann | adamw: link pleaseas,s jut looking at 522675 | Sep 21 09:20 |
| denise | dpravec, or even if they just TOLD the anaconda team before adding changes likely to affect insta;; | Sep 21 09:20 |
| Oxf13 | denise: seriously. wtf nss?! | Sep 21 09:20 |
| denise | ;-) | Sep 21 09:20 |
| jeff_hann | adamw: link pleaseas,s jut looking at 522675s | Sep 21 09:20 |
| adamw | jeff_hann: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=507678&hide_resolved=1 | Sep 21 09:20 |
| jeff_hann | omg | Sep 21 09:20 |
| jeff_hann | sorry | Sep 21 09:20 |
| jeff_hann | something remained in konversation's buffer | Sep 21 09:20 |
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| jeff_hann | I meant I was just looking at bug nr. 522675 | Sep 21 09:20 |
| jeff_hann | couldn't it be a HAL problem? | Sep 21 09:21 |
| dpravec | i think automated testing of anaconda could be a big help in this and thats probably what i would like to do | Sep 21 09:21 |
| adamw | specific discussion would be best in the bug thread or friday's meeting | Sep 21 09:21 |
| denise | dpravec +100 | Sep 21 09:21 |
| jeff_hann | adamw: ok, will do | Sep 21 09:21 |
| adamw | dpravec: well, autoqa already does that to some extent. | Sep 21 09:22 |
| adamw | denise: are you guys in the loop on the autoqa stuff? you know where to go for the test results? | Sep 21 09:22 |
| dpravec | adamw: yes i know.. but not enough | Sep 21 09:22 |
| adamw | right | Sep 21 09:22 |
| denise | adamw, i'm using https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-results/2009-September/date.html#end - correct? | Sep 21 09:22 |
| adamw | denise: yup. cool | Sep 21 09:23 |
| adamw | so, as i said, to me this kinda feels like a communication issue | Sep 21 09:23 |
| denise | adamw: shared w/lwang too so kernel team knows | Sep 21 09:23 |
| adamw | for e.g. i wouldn't have guessed off the top of my head that nss would be critical to anaconda (as it is if i'm understanding the above discussion right) | Sep 21 09:23 |
| denise | adamw, agreed but some way to autodetect would be big help | Sep 21 09:23 |
| denise | nss is onlythe most recent of many | Sep 21 09:24 |
| adamw | is this...uh...Elio who's making all these exciting breakages^H^H^H^H^H^Hchanges to nss aware of it? :) | Sep 21 09:24 |
| adamw | denise: autodetect what? | Sep 21 09:25 |
| *Oxf13 fears that there is an elephant in the room | Sep 21 09:25 | |
| Oxf13 | when it comes to late breaking changes in things like NSS | Sep 21 09:25 |
| denise | adamw, dpravec, forwarding dcantrell's api checking idea - jlaska has seen this | Sep 21 09:25 |
| adamw | thanks | Sep 21 09:26 |
| adamw | Oxf13: what's the elephant? | Sep 21 09:26 |
| Oxf13 | RHEL6 | Sep 21 09:26 |
| adamw | rhel? what is this rhel of which you speak? =) | Sep 21 09:26 |
| Oxf13 | There seems to be a number of maintainers who are told THEY HAVE TO GET THIS IN NOW for RHEL6 | Sep 21 09:27 |
| adamw | yeah. it does feel like sometimes the walls between fedora and rhel processes are rather...chinese. | Sep 21 09:27 |
| Oxf13 | and so people who aren't typically plugged into the Fedora thing are tasked with work and they make it happen, stumbling into problems with our Fedora process | Sep 21 09:27 |
| adamw | i'm really not sure how we should go about addressing that, but it's definitely a valid concern... | Sep 21 09:28 |
| Oxf13 | adamw: i think it's going ot take more impressing upon RHT managemment that Fedora policies and procedures cannot just be tossed aside under the banner of RHEL | Sep 21 09:28 |
| Oxf13 | which isn't something those in the Fedora community can do easily | Sep 21 09:29 |
| adamw | Oxf13: right, we redhat-fedora people should probably take the ball on that one | Sep 21 09:29 |
| denise | i'm trying to take some of the pressure off by starting the official list of things RHEL6 will rebase from F13 | Sep 21 09:29 |
| adamw | sounds like something we should just escalate through the traditional management set up | Sep 21 09:29 |
| Oxf13 | adamw: we do have a bi-weekly meeting for just such things | Sep 21 09:29 |
| Oxf13 | adamw: and we're identifying more and more folks who should be represented in such meetings | Sep 21 09:30 |
| Oxf13 | so there is progress on that front | Sep 21 09:30 |
| adamw | Oxf13: great | Sep 21 09:30 |
| Oxf13 | and things are far better than the RHEL4/FC6 era | Sep 21 09:30 |
| adamw | Oxf13: will you be able to pass on the concerns from this meeting? i think we can definitely say we all agree with your characterization | Sep 21 09:30 |
| jeff_hann | aye | Sep 21 09:30 |
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| adamw | aside from that, denise / dpravec, i'm sure wwoods would be happy to take any suggestions for more detailed automated installer testing | Sep 21 09:32 |
| dpravec | adamw: i would love to get dogtail tests of anaconda going | Sep 21 09:32 |
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| adamw | pity he doesn't seem to be here for the meeting :/ | Sep 21 09:33 |
| dpravec | and testing it everyday for everything possible | Sep 21 09:33 |
| denise | dpravec, and more testcases to automate - mgracik is available to help | Sep 21 09:33 |
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| dpravec | denise: yes, we started talking about it, thats why i hear they (as a team) want some stable api 2 weeks before freeze... | Sep 21 09:34 |
| denise | dpravec, and a pink pony ;-) | Sep 21 09:35 |
| dpravec | heh :) | Sep 21 09:35 |
| dpravec | i love ponies | Sep 21 09:35 |
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| adamw | right :) my instinct is it'd be hard to get people to agree to a real freeze, but we can certainly improve on the 'not breaking stuff just for the hell of it with no regard to fedora processes' front | Sep 21 09:35 |
| poelcat | adamw: pong | Sep 21 09:36 |
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| adamw | poelcat: was just pinging for attendance :) hi! | Sep 21 09:36 |
| poelcat | oh sorry... here at LinuxCon w/ Oxf13 and others | Sep 21 09:36 |
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| Oxf13 | denise: adamw: moving the feature freeze back a week from Alpha freeze was an attempt at getting things to stop moving around and time for Anaconda to sync up before entering the freeze | Sep 21 09:37 |
| denise | I'd settle for a heads-up on what's changing ... | Sep 21 09:37 |
| denise | at least it saves the debug WTF changed now time | Sep 21 09:38 |
| denise | the yum guys handled this well - gave anaconda a test image early | Sep 21 09:38 |
| Oxf13 | denise: and to be fair, shit ain't supposed to be changing at this point | Sep 21 09:39 |
| Oxf13 | people who are changing things now are doing it wrong. | Sep 21 09:39 |
| denise | although sometimes there are justifications - harald wants to rebase udev to pick up many buffer overflow fixes | Sep 21 09:40 |
| denise | and security is generally a good reason | Sep 21 09:40 |
| Oxf13 | there are smart ways of doing that | Sep 21 09:40 |
| denise | and he looked for dependencies and gave us a heads-up | Sep 21 09:41 |
| Oxf13 | building it quietly one night and waiting for the shit to fall over to see what needs fixing... is not how to do that. | Sep 21 09:41 |
| denise | agreed!!! | Sep 21 09:41 |
| adamw | uh...it isn't? /me grabs notepad | Sep 21 09:41 |
| adamw | =) | Sep 21 09:41 |
| Oxf13 | coordinating with you, rel-eng, etc.. that's the way to do it. Get a test build, get a test compose, see what happens /before/ doing the rawhide build. | Sep 21 09:41 |
| Oxf13 | I can't wait until we have a 'rawhide-testing' like setup | Sep 21 09:41 |
| kanarip | maybe a rawhide-next like with linux-next | Sep 21 09:42 |
| kanarip | everything that goes in there should just work perfectly fine and has been tested to some extent | Sep 21 09:42 |
| adamw | ok, so, looks like we have avenues to explore here... | Sep 21 09:42 |
| *kanarip back to lurking | Sep 21 09:43 | |
| dpravec | yes thats my dream too | Sep 21 09:43 |
| dpravec | having some kind of working rawhide | Sep 21 09:43 |
| adamw | does anyone else have anything to raise in regards to the upcoming stuff for f12 beta? oxf13, anything you want to highlight? | Sep 21 09:43 |
| adamw | dpravec: rawhide works fine if you're careful enough. it's the only thing i have installed on this system =) | Sep 21 09:43 |
| skvidal | I have an item | Sep 21 09:43 |
| Oxf13 | well, there is lots of risk out there | Sep 21 09:43 |
| adamw | skvidal: go ahead! | Sep 21 09:43 |
| Oxf13 | broken live images, broken input on x86_64 stage1/live | Sep 21 09:43 |
| Oxf13 | I'm quite worried about the upcoming freeze | Sep 21 09:43 |
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| skvidal | so I have two pkgs of yum for F12 - one is 3.2.24- which is more or less what's in rawhide right now | Sep 21 09:44 |
| adamw | Oxf13: what's broken on the live images? i've had people using recent ones for bug report testing, didn't get any reports they weren't working | Sep 21 09:44 |
| adamw | erf, sorry, we're on two conversations: let's go with skvidal for now | Sep 21 09:44 |
| skvidal | the other option is 3.2.25 (soon to be released) which will include the yum history work geppetto did | Sep 21 09:44 |
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| skvidal | it's been tested by clumens in anaconda | Sep 21 09:44 |
| Oxf13 | adamw: I fixed up the broken deps on friday and composed live images from it at my house, both failed to boot pretty badly | Sep 21 09:44 |
| skvidal | and it works and doesn't break things | Sep 21 09:44 |
| skvidal | but it is NOT required by any wild stretch for f12 GA | Sep 21 09:44 |
| skvidal | so long story short - should I wait on 3.2.25 until GA or not? | Sep 21 09:45 |
| adamw | it's kind of a grey area, i suppose | Sep 21 09:45 |
| skvidal | given the discussion above I thought this was relevant | Sep 21 09:45 |
| adamw | i mean, if we were considering it a Fedora 12 Feature - which we certainly could have done - the answer now would be no, it's too late | Sep 21 09:46 |
| skvidal | but it's not a feature | Sep 21 09:46 |
| adamw | but since it's _not_ a feature, i don't think there's anything technically preventing it going in | Sep 21 09:46 |
| denise | but you definitely did the right thing for anaconda | Sep 21 09:46 |
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| adamw | (which is a sorta loophole) | Sep 21 09:46 |
| adamw | Oxf13: wdyt? | Sep 21 09:46 |
| Oxf13 | I've already talked about it with them. | Sep 21 09:46 |
| Oxf13 | I'd /prefer/ to wait, but I won't throw a fit if it goes in | Sep 21 09:46 |
| Oxf13 | I reserve the right to throw a fit if it goes in and something breaks and we lose rawhide for a day or more | Sep 21 09:47 |
| adamw | that's kinda my instinct too. and i can see a downside to waiting - we wind up splitting development effort, i guess | Sep 21 09:47 |
| skvidal | adamw: not really | Sep 21 09:47 |
| skvidal | okay, I'll do this | Sep 21 09:48 |
| skvidal | I'll issue a 3.2.24+HEAD patch for rawhide today that has history in it | Sep 21 09:48 |
| skvidal | if things go sideways for any reason I'll patch it out and bump for rawhide | Sep 21 09:48 |
| adamw | i guess that works | Sep 21 09:49 |
| skvidal | there's no issue reverting a patch at all | Sep 21 09:49 |
| adamw | is there a realistic chance it could break something important subtly in a way we don't notice for a bit? | Sep 21 09:49 |
| adamw | (i know that's a hard question, but...) | Sep 21 09:49 |
| skvidal | okay | Sep 21 09:49 |
| skvidal | so here is what history does | Sep 21 09:49 |
| skvidal | it records extra info during each transaction | Sep 21 09:49 |
| skvidal | it doesn't change anything else on the system - just in /var/lib/yum/history/ | Sep 21 09:50 |
| skvidal | it writes out a sqlite db | Sep 21 09:50 |
| skvidal | so I'll do the HEAD into rawhide and see if anyone has any issues with it | Sep 21 09:51 |
| skvidal | and I'll be immediately happy to roll it back out if we run into something | Sep 21 09:51 |
| adamw | yeah, i think that sounds ok. | Sep 21 09:51 |
| adamw | thanks for running it by us, though. | Sep 21 09:51 |
| skvidal | nod | Sep 21 09:51 |
| adamw | and working with the anaconda guys, that was awesome. | Sep 21 09:51 |
| denise | much appreciated | Sep 21 09:52 |
| skvidal | thank geppetto, too - he passed the bits over to clumens | Sep 21 09:52 |
| adamw | praise all around! | Sep 21 09:52 |
| skvidal | hah | Sep 21 09:52 |
| adamw | Oxf13: ok, so, your beta concerns... | Sep 21 09:52 |
| adamw | erf, just a sec | Sep 21 09:52 |
| adamw | eek gotta step out for a minute, got a parcel to collect downstairs :) brb | Sep 21 09:53 |
| Oxf13 | k | Sep 21 09:53 |
| poelcat | Oxf13: wondering if we have a good wiki page to point people to on this topic besides the freeze pages | Sep 21 09:54 |
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| poelcat | or is it just more common sense? | Sep 21 09:55 |
| Oxf13 | poelcat: at one point, the Overview page within the releng name space tried to provide a high level view of how releases were done, and why we freeze at certain points, etc.. | Sep 21 09:55 |
| Oxf13 | I haven't done a good job maintaining that page over time | Sep 21 09:55 |
| Oxf13 | I wanted it to be the page that new maintainers could read through to grasp our development and release process | Sep 21 09:56 |
| adamw | Oxf13: so, at least a couple of people i have checking out things for bug reports had no problem booting with the 20090917 auto-generated live images | Sep 21 09:57 |
| Oxf13 | adamw: right, 17th was OK (that's what snap3 was made from) | Sep 21 09:57 |
| adamw | ah | Sep 21 09:57 |
| adamw | not sure if i've seen anyone test since then... | Sep 21 09:57 |
| Oxf13 | adamw: something changed on the 18th that made me unable to get a live image booted | Sep 21 09:57 |
| adamw | erk. | Sep 21 09:57 |
| Oxf13 | there were no nightly live images on the 18th due to dep issues. | Sep 21 09:58 |
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| adamw | we have 20090920 images up now | Sep 21 09:58 |
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| Oxf13 | worth trying them out | Sep 21 09:59 |
| adamw | k | Sep 21 09:59 |
| poelcat | Oxf13: let's talk more I want to help make these pages better | Sep 21 09:59 |
| adamw | what was the failure you saw with 20090918? | Sep 21 09:59 |
| Oxf13 | adamw: couldn't get the live root fs mounted. It died halfway through bootup | Sep 21 10:00 |
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| Oxf13 | adamw: it was only fleeting, I was working on some other things, and expecting family to show up so I didn't get a lot of time to file it or debug it | Sep 21 10:00 |
| Oxf13 | I just saw it with both i686 and x86_64 | Sep 21 10:00 |
| adamw | interesting, sounds like the failure we were having with live images transferred to USB sticks which was recently fixed... | Sep 21 10:00 |
| adamw | well, if everyone can try out the 20090920 images and see if they work that'd be good | Sep 21 10:01 |
| adamw | the other thing, x86-64 input problems | Sep 21 10:01 |
| Oxf13 | yeah, i wondered if the fix broke the non-usb case | Sep 21 10:01 |
| adamw | would that be https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522675 ? | Sep 21 10:01 |
| buggbot | Bug 522675: high, low, ---, kernel-maint, NEW, mouse,keyboard don't work when boot from LiveCD | Sep 21 10:01 |
| Oxf13 | I can't confirm that it is the same problem on x86_64 live images | Sep 21 10:01 |
| dpravec | Oxf13: can you give me url of the page you are talking about? (overview) | Sep 21 10:01 |
| Oxf13 | that's why I was building live images to test with | Sep 21 10:01 |
| adamw | Oxf13: i see | Sep 21 10:01 |
| Oxf13 | dpravec: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/Overview | Sep 21 10:02 |
| dpravec | ah ty | Sep 21 10:02 |
| Oxf13 | adamw: I spent most of friday comparing a i386 initrd to an x86_64 initrd looking for missing files, and not finding anything | Sep 21 10:02 |
| adamw | well, i'm grabbing the 20090920 image now, i'll try it out here and see how it goes | Sep 21 10:02 |
| Oxf13 | last time we had something like this, the x86_64 buildinstall was dying part way through and not all files were making it to the initrd | Sep 21 10:02 |
| Oxf13 | that's not the case this time | Sep 21 10:02 |
| adamw | k | Sep 21 10:02 |
| Oxf13 | (or it's a cleverly hidden file somewhere) | Sep 21 10:02 |
| adamw | so yeah, our big takeaway here is that we really need people to be banging on testing at present: the test compose when it comes out, direct rawhide install, the nightly live builds, whatever you like | Sep 21 10:03 |
| adamw | just grab something and test it :) with an eye to the issues oxf13's raised, and the bugs on the f12beta list | Sep 21 10:03 |
| adamw | and again, remember the blocker bug meeting on Friday, 15:00 UTC, #fedora-bugzappers | Sep 21 10:05 |
| adamw | please come out if you can | Sep 21 10:05 |
| adamw | poelcat will be sending an official announcement soon. | Sep 21 10:05 |
| adamw | ok, we're over time as usual =) moving on... | Sep 21 10:05 |
| adamw | #topic open floor | Sep 21 10:05 |
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| adamw | open floor time! anyone have anything to raise? | Sep 21 10:06 |
| adamw | no? then closing meeting in 3... | Sep 21 10:07 |
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| adamw | 2... | Sep 21 10:08 |
| adamw | 1... | Sep 21 10:08 |
| adamw | thanks for coming, everyone! | Sep 21 10:08 |
| adamw | #endmeeting | Sep 21 10:08 |
| dpravec | adamw: thanks ! | Sep 21 10:08 |
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