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Attendees
People present (lines said):
- jlaska (91)
- kparal (37)
- jeff_hann (9)
- damNageHack (8)
- zodbot (4)
- jskladan (3)
- lmacken (3)
- Viking-Ice (1)
Regrets:
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- jlaska + fenris02 to review whether F-13-Beta is an option for boot.fedoraproject.org
- Already completed by the infrastructure team, yay infrastructure!
- adamw + jlaska - Bodhi QA workflow status check-in
- lmacken organizing existing tickets into Bodhi-2.0 TRAC roadmap (see https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/milestone/2.0). Expects to complete in next few weeks.
See agenda below for additional follow-up items included in specific topics
Fedora 13 RC test status
Upcoming test milestones:
- 2010-04-16 - Pre-RC Branched Acceptance Test Plan -- DELAYED, now INPROGRESS
- 2010-04-23 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #2 (recap)
- 2010-04-29 - Test 'Final' Test Compose
- 2010-04-30 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #3
- 2010-05-05 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #4
- 2010-05-06 - Test 'Final' RC
Upcoming test days:
- 2010-04-29 - Test_Day:2010-04-29_Preupgrade
Recent test changes:
- Adding i18n support to installation test plan (see details ticket#63)
Proventesters check-in
- maxamillion - send Proventester draft to test@l.fp.org for final review (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090252.html)
- maxamillion - Request new proventester FAS group (see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2114)
- The team discussed possible next steps, including ...
- Recommending that current members of the 'qa' group ... apply to 'proventesters'
- Document exact criteria needed for proventesters
- Provide a TRAC ticket template for mentor requests (for sample, see similar https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/newtplticket)
Package Acceptance Test Plan check-in
- Kparal sent request for final review at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090287.html
- If no additional feedback, test plan will be finalized this week
- Next steps ...
- Remove draft status
- Document each test case (see ticket#62)
AutoQA check-in
There has been a lot of AutoQA activities in recent weeks, jlaska asked the group to walk through some highlights.
- Kparal provided some updates from jskladan on the results database efforts..
- First draft of implementing the resultsdb API
- Test suite for resultsdb API created
Open discussion - <Your topic here>
Upcoming QA events
- 2010-01-21 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1
- 2010-01-28 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2
- 2010-02-04 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3
- 2010-02-04 - NFSv4 Test Day
- 2010-02-05 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #1 (recap)
- 2010-02-11 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose' (boot media testing)
- 2010-02-12 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #2 (recap)
- 2010-02-12 - Alpha Test Candidate verification (announcement)
- 2010-02-18 - Alpha Release Candidate verification
- 2010-02-18 - Color Management test day
- 2010-02-19 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #3 (recap)
- 2010-02-24 - Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting (20:00 EST)
- 2010-02-25 - Yum Langpack plugin test day
- 2010-03-10 - Pre-Beta Acceptance Test Plan #1
- 2010-03-12 - Beta Blocker Meeting (F13Beta) #1 (recap)
- 2010-03-18 - Gnome Disk Utility Storage Test Day
- 2010-03-18 - Test Beta 'Test Compose' DELAYED
- 2010-03-19 - Beta Blocker Meeting (F13Beta) #2 (recap)
- 2010-03-25 - Test Beta Candidate
- 2010-03-25 - Printing Test Day
- 2010-03-26 - Beta Blocker Meeting (F13Beta) #3
- 2010-03-30 - SSSD by default Test Day
- 2010-03-31 - Beta Go/No-Go Meeting (20:00 EST)
- 2010-04-01 - ABRT Test Day
- 2010-04-08 - Virtualization Test Day
- 2010-04-13 - Test_Day:2010-04-13_Nouveau
- 2010-04-14 - Test_Day:2010-04-14_Radeon
- 2010-04-15 - Test_Day:2010-04-15_Intel
- 2010-04-16 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #1 (recap)
- 2010-04-16 - Pre-RC Branched Acceptance Test Plan - DELAYED (see RHBZ #581794)
- 2010-04-22 - Test_Day:2010-04-22_StorageFiltering
- 2010-04-23 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #2 (recap)
- WE ARE HERE
- 2010-04-29 - Test_Day:2010-04-29_Preupgrade
- 2010-04-29 - Test 'Final' Test Compose
- 2010-04-30 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #3
- 2010-05-05 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #4
- 2010-05-06 - Test 'Final' RC
Action items
- current members of the 'qa' group ... apply to 'proventesters'
- jlaska to follow-up w/ maxamillion after meeting
IRC Transcript
jlaska | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | 15:00 |
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zodbot | Meeting started Mon Apr 26 15:00:08 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
jlaska | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
jlaska | #topic Gathering critical mass ... | 15:00 |
* jeff_hann is here | 15:00 | |
* kparal jumps straight into meeting | 15:00 | |
jlaska | jeff_hann: kparal: howdy | 15:00 |
jeff_hann | howdee | 15:00 |
* jskladan watching from the shadows | 15:00 | |
* jlaska tips hat towards jskladan | 15:01 | |
damNageHack | hi | 15:02 |
jlaska | damNageHack: hello :) | 15:02 |
jlaska | wwoods: adamw: you guys around? | 15:02 |
jlaska | I don't think this time slot works great for maxamillion, but lemme check ... | 15:03 |
jlaska | I've got a conflict @ the half hour increment ... so let's get started | 15:04 |
jlaska | if we run over, I may need help closing out the proposed agenda items | 15:04 |
jlaska | Proposed agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090413.html | 15:05 |
jlaska | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | 15:05 |
jlaska | #info jlaska + fenris02 to review whether F-13-Beta is an option for boot.fedoraproject.org | 15:05 |
jlaska | This was easy, thanks to the infrastructure team ... boot.fp.org should already have links to Fedora 13 beta | 15:05 |
jlaska | #info Completed by the infrastructure team, yay infrastructure! | 15:06 |
jlaska | #info adamw + jlaska - Bodhi QA workflow status check-in | 15:06 |
kparal | jlaska: is it necessary to re-download the images? | 15:06 |
jlaska | kparal: good question ... I tested by downloading the images | 15:07 |
jlaska | so I don't know if the configs are pulled from the server, or are on the media | 15:07 |
kparal | ok | 15:08 |
* kparal will test some day | 15:08 | |
jlaska | kparal: that'll likely need a follow-up to #fedora-admin for guidance, I'm not sure | 15:08 |
jlaska | adamw and I spoke w/ lmacken last week, he is working to organize a lot of TRAC tickets into a bodhi-2.0 milestone | 15:09 |
jlaska | and expected to have that finished out in the next few weeks | 15:09 |
jlaska | bodhi-2.0 milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/milestone/2.0 | 15:09 |
jlaska | Some initial requirements gathering will also take place in the coming weeks | 15:09 |
jlaska | my understanding is this will be helpful for us so we can coordinate AutoQA dependencies and document/educate 'proventesters' on the QA workflow through bodhi | 15:10 |
jlaska | we had several other follow-up items, but I've moved those into specific topics below ... | 15:10 |
jlaska | so I'll dive in, unless anyone has other thoughts | 15:11 |
* Viking-Ice sneaks in a bit late.. | 15:11 | |
jlaska | Viking-Ice: welcome! | 15:11 |
jlaska | #topic Fedora 13 RC test status | 15:11 |
jlaska | #info the current deliverable I'm working on is the Pre-RC Branched Acceptance Test Run | 15:12 |
jlaska | a new anaconda was built, and given proper karma in bodhi to be available for Branched testing | 15:12 |
jlaska | it's an unusual worflow to run through an acceptanc test, but that's hopefully something we can work out post F-13 | 15:13 |
jlaska | the Friday Branched compose failed to build due to deps, but it looks like things are okay today | 15:13 |
jlaska | I'll be posting a test summary to the list later this afternoon | 15:13 |
jlaska | #info there was a F13Blocker review last week - see http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2010-04-23/fedora-bugzappers.2010-04-23-16.06.html | 15:14 |
jlaska | We can expect the following milestones this week ... | 15:14 |
jlaska | #info 2010-04-29 - Test 'Final' Test Compose | 15:14 |
jlaska | #info 2010-04-29 - PreUpgrade test day - Test_Day:2010-04-29_Preupgrade | 15:14 |
jlaska | #info 2010-04-30 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #3 | 15:15 |
jlaska | In other F-13 testing news, there have been some i18n test considerations under discussion | 15:15 |
jlaska | you may have see this already from a ticket mail to test@ | 15:15 |
damNageHack | how is a release critical bug marked in bugzilla? | 15:16 |
jlaska | damNageHack: to mark a bug as a release blocker, you add the blocks: F13Blocker | 15:16 |
jlaska | damNageHack: and add a quick statement indicating what release criteria are impacted by the bug | 15:16 |
damNageHack | k thx. i will not do such a thing. only for my information :) | 15:16 |
jlaska | damNageHack: no worries, folks are encouraged to escalate issues of concern | 15:17 |
jlaska | we've documented what are considered the most common release criteria at Fedora_13_Final_Release_Criteria | 15:17 |
damNageHack | i am thinking of the bug with gtk2 v2.19/2.20 + thunar/pcmanfm | 15:17 |
kparal | damNageHack: current blocker list is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=507681&hide_resolved=1 | 15:17 |
jlaska | however, there are always cases where bugs don't fit a criteria ... feel free to raise those issues on the mailing list, or #fedora-qa | 15:18 |
damNageHack | k tx | 15:18 |
jlaska | So lastly, if anyone wants to contribute to additional i18n tests ... feel free to add your thoughts to https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/63 | 15:18 |
damNageHack | i can see a lot of still open bugs :) | 15:18 |
jlaska | damNageHack: 18 non-MODIFIED bugs ... we have a lot of testing MODIFIED and ON_QA bugs to do | 15:19 |
jlaska | okay ... next agenda item ... | 15:19 |
damNageHack | i am sure, it can be done | 15:19 |
damNageHack | fedora has a high quality, i like that :) | 15:20 |
jlaska | damNageHack: glad to hear, we only get that because people contribute time to make it better ... so thank you! :) | 15:20 |
jlaska | #topic Proventesters check-in | 15:20 |
jlaska | We had 2 action items to follow-up on from last week | 15:20 |
jlaska | looks like maxamillion completed both of them | 15:20 |
jlaska | #info maxamillion - sent Proventester draft to test@l.fp.org for final review (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090252.html) | 15:21 |
jlaska | #info maxamillion requested creation of proventester FAS group (see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2114) | 15:21 |
jlaska | thanks maxamillion! :) | 15:21 |
jlaska | he's not around right now, but I was going to ask the obvious ... | 15:22 |
jlaska | what's next? | 15:22 |
kparal | now to populate the group | 15:22 |
jlaska | yeah, is it time to request applications to the group? | 15:22 |
jlaska | do we know how to evaluate and mentor applicants? | 15:22 |
jlaska | Has bodhi been changed to use 'proventester' FAS group, instead of 'qa' for critpath updates? | 15:23 |
kparal | the mentoring process could be described, yes | 15:23 |
lmacken | jlaska: I have myself CC'd to the proventesters infrastructure ticket, but it's still not completed, from what I can tell | 15:23 |
lmacken | once it's done, changing it in bodhi will be trivial | 15:24 |
jeff_hann | jlaska: what are the qualities required for someone to become a proventester? | 15:24 |
jlaska | lmacken: is this the ticket to create the group, or to change bodhi to use proventester group? | 15:24 |
lmacken | jlaska: to create the group... once it's created, I'll change it in bodhi | 15:24 |
jlaska | lmacken: eggsellent, thank you! | 15:25 |
jlaska | #action current members of the 'qa' group ... apply to 'proventesters' | 15:25 |
* jskladan needs to leave now. see you around, gang! | 15:25 | |
jlaska | jeff_hann: kparal yeah good suggestions | 15:25 |
jlaska | jskladan: take care! | 15:25 |
jskladan | jlaska: thanks, will do my best | 15:26 |
jlaska | kparal: jeff_hann: I can take an action to follow-up w/ maxamillion after the meeting | 15:26 |
* kparal brb in 2min | 15:26 | |
jeff_hann | jlaska: a page where the exact criteria needed would be useful | 15:26 |
jlaska | jeff_hann: yeah I agree | 15:26 |
jlaska | I believe we started that page a few weeks back, but that might just need to be refreshed | 15:27 |
jeff_hann | jlaska: and instructions as how/what to fill in TRAC | 15:27 |
jlaska | #info a page where exact criteria needed for proventesters would be useful | 15:27 |
jlaska | jeff_hann: in TRAC? | 15:27 |
jlaska | jeff_hann: oh for applying to the group? | 15:27 |
jeff_hann | jeff_hann: yeah | 15:27 |
jlaska | #info provide a TRAC ticket template for mentor requests | 15:27 |
jlaska | #action jlaska to follow-up w/ maxamillion after meeting | 15:28 |
jlaska | for any other ideas that come to folks, please feel free to reply to the meeting minutes I send out | 15:28 |
jlaska | next topic ... | 15:28 |
jlaska | #topic Package Acceptance Test Plan check-in | 15:29 |
jeff_hann | jlaska: of course, I would like to join the proventesters group; been slackin' recently. | 15:29 |
* kparal back | 15:29 | |
jlaska | kparal: hey, do you want to give an update on this topic? | 15:29 |
kparal | sure | 15:29 |
jlaska | #chair kparal | 15:29 |
zodbot | Current chairs: jlaska kparal | 15:29 |
kparal | #link User:Kparal/Proposal:Package_update_acceptance_test_plan | 15:29 |
kparal | so, I posted a few last questions about the test plan and a call for comments | 15:30 |
kparal | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090287.html | 15:30 |
jlaska | kparal: thanks for picking that back up ... I think I've got a few UNREAD's to read still on that thread | 15:30 |
kparal | from discussion with jlaska and jkeating I changed a few definitions | 15:30 |
kparal | so thanks for all comments | 15:31 |
kparal | I believe the test plan should be final now | 15:31 |
* jlaska loves your test categories | 15:31 | |
kparal | if no more comments come | 15:31 |
jlaska | mandatory, introspection, advisory :) | 15:31 |
kparal | one remaining item is to create separate wiki page for each test case | 15:31 |
kparal | #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/62 | 15:32 |
kparal | and we can start to just implement it :) | 15:32 |
kparal | alright, that would be it, I believe | 15:32 |
jlaska | yay! | 15:32 |
jlaska | kparal: thanks for the updates ... anything you'd like to track here for next week? | 15:33 |
kparal | nope, I would say it's complete (nearly) :) | 15:33 |
jlaska | awesome, nice work | 15:33 |
jlaska | okay, the next planned topic I had was for AutoQA | 15:33 |
jlaska | but we're low on AutoQA folks today | 15:34 |
jlaska | #topic AutoQA update | 15:34 |
jlaska | kparal: anything you'd like to note for this week? | 15:34 |
kparal | I can say a few words for jskladan | 15:34 |
jlaska | kparal: great, please go for it! | 15:34 |
kparal | he created a test suite for resultdb API | 15:34 |
kparal | and made some first draft of implementing the API | 15:34 |
kparal | and of course the test suite failed, so he's now deep in solving the issues :) | 15:35 |
kparal | but we could have some first attempts for API implementation soon | 15:35 |
kparal | at least from what I caught | 15:35 |
kparal | ok, as for other topics, no big development that I know of | 15:36 |
kparal | so, let's move it to open discussion | 15:36 |
kparal | #topic Open Floor | 15:37 |
kparal | do you have anything you want to discuss today? | 15:37 |
kparal | how it happens that when I'm the chairman the meeting is always so fast? :) | 15:39 |
kparal | ok, last minute and then I'll end the meeting | 15:40 |
jeff_hann | kparal: today there only few attendees | 15:40 |
jeff_hann | *there are | 15:40 |
kparal | jeff_hann: I see. everyone on holiday or something :) | 15:40 |
jlaska | kparal: you're much better at moving the meeting along than I am! :D | 15:40 |
* jlaska has mollases fingers | 15:41 | |
kparal | ok, so thanks everyone for comming in, have a nice day! | 15:41 |
kparal | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
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