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Attendees
People present (lines said):
- jlaska (63)
- adamw (44)
- kparal (40)
- j_dulaney (33)
- maxamillion (24)
- Viking-Ice (16)
- fenris02 (10)
- vaschenb (6)
- zodbot (5)
- jeff_hann (2)
Regrets:
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- adamw to talk with lmacken about generating recurring email reports on proventester
Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2
- Owner - User:jlaska
- Summary
- Per task#6 on the fedora-qa schedule, a rawhide acceptance test run was scheduled for 2010-07-15.
- See
rel-eng ticket#3872
, images built on Jul 15, 2010. - Next steps ...
- Testing underway, results posted to Test_Results:Fedora_14_Pre-Alpha_Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_2
- Test summary will be sent to test@lists.fedoraproject.org
AutoQA PUATP
- Owner - User:wwoods
- Summary
- In order to accomplish the QA:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan, wwoods proposed prioritizing the following autoqa milestones
- depcheck
- multi-hook test support
- Finalize test base class patchset
- Finalize label patchset
- Work continues ...
- vaschenb prepared a helloworld test usable for the newcommers and for us when testing new hooks and stuff
- kparal started to work on a new control file for tests, that would handle autoqa variables
- kparal created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Automate_AutoQA_clients_installation to document installing multiple autoqa virt clients
- Next steps...
- Outstanding patchsets
- Helloworld test (vaschenb)
- test-specific labels support (kparal)
- common base class for all autoqa tests (jskladan)
- Continue progress towards depcheck milestones
Proventester Update
- Owner - User:Maxamillion, User:Adamwill
- Summary
- Adam Miller announced that the proventesters wiki page (QA/JoinProvenTesters) is no longer a draft.
- There are several TRAC requests to join the proventesters group.
- Proven_tester updated as the result of several proposed wiki drafts
- Next steps
- Generating critpath+proventester metrics -- see
bodhi ticket#456
Open discussion - <Your topic here>
Proventester FAS requests
- Owner - User:Maxamillion
- Summary
- Adam Miller asked if we should check on the open FAS proventester requests in each meeting
- Next steps
- maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request check-in
Upcoming QA events
- 2010-07-08 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1
- 2010-07-15 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2
- 2010-07-15 - Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #2
- 2010-07-22 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3
- 2010-07-23 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #2
- 2010-07-30 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #3
Action items
- maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin
IRC Transcript
jlaska | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | 15:00 |
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zodbot | Meeting started Mon Jul 19 15:00:10 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
jlaska | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
jlaska | #topic Gathering in the lobby | 15:00 |
jlaska | hey gang, I'll wait a few minutes for folks to join | 15:00 |
* kparal in | 15:00 | |
adamw | morning | 15:00 |
* fenris02 waves | 15:01 | |
* j_dulaney is here and in better shape than last week, or at least he things so. | 15:01 | |
j_dulaney | thinks^^ | 15:01 |
j_dulaney | maybe not | 15:01 |
adamw | someone mail j_dulaney the tylenol | 15:01 |
jlaska | let's get a shipment out stat! | 15:02 |
* Viking-Ice here | 15:03 | |
jlaska | alright, I think we have everyone. I see maxamillion and vaschenb lurking too | 15:03 |
jlaska | jskladan and wwoods will be out today | 15:03 |
jlaska | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | 15:03 |
* vaschenb in | 15:04 | |
jlaska | I have a proventester follow-up item on the list from last week ... but we can hold that until the main proventester topic | 15:04 |
jlaska | vaschenb: welcome :D | 15:04 |
jlaska | adamw: any objections? | 15:04 |
vaschenb | jlaska: thx:-) | 15:04 |
adamw | sure | 15:04 |
jlaska | so that's it for follow-up from last week ... unless I missed anything? | 15:05 |
jlaska | alright, diving into the proposed agenda | 15:06 |
jlaska | #topic Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2 | 15:06 |
jlaska | Just a quick heads up ... we had another batch of install images posted last week (thanks clumens and Oxf13) for automated testing | 15:06 |
jlaska | #info Testing just about completed - results at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_14_Pre-Alpha_Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_2 | 15:07 |
jlaska | I'll post a summary to the mailing list ... the good news is there seems to be a lack of flames with these images | 15:07 |
kparal | starts to look greenish | 15:07 |
jlaska | I don't know if that means the big changes haven't landed yet, or something else | 15:07 |
adamw | anaconda team says they haven't changed a lot | 15:08 |
adamw | they were kinda surprised that we'd hit *any* blocker issues | 15:08 |
jlaska | right, that could be the big factor | 15:08 |
jlaska | so this milestone isn't intended to be an exhaustive run through the matrix, just a "does it smell" check-point | 15:08 |
maxamillion | bah! | 15:08 |
* maxamillion is here | 15:08 | |
jlaska | maxamillion: welcome :) | 15:08 |
Viking-Ice | what about systemd is going in alpha? | 15:09 |
maxamillion | jlaska: thankies .... not sure how I pulled off being late when I never left my desk | 15:09 |
jlaska | Viking-Ice: last I checked it's in rawhide, but not enabled by default | 15:09 |
jlaska | #info jlaska will post test summary to the list in the next day | 15:09 |
adamw | lennart wanted to flip the switch on systemd last week | 15:10 |
jlaska | #info The 3rd (and final) pre-alpha acceptance test run is scheduled for this Thursday | 15:10 |
Viking-Ice | jlaska: what was what I was wondering about if it would be on by default | 15:10 |
Viking-Ice | in alpha | 15:10 |
Viking-Ice | the sooner the better | 15:10 |
jlaska | agreed | 15:10 |
fenris02 | until systemd has a working policy that allows selinux/enforcing, i would nix it | 15:10 |
adamw | mostly it's held up by a bug which makes it fail to work if selinux is turned on | 15:10 |
adamw | i'd quote the bug number but i can't find it | 15:10 |
Viking-Ice | I thought Dan had fixed that | 15:10 |
adamw | fenris02, do you have it to hand? | 15:10 |
fenris02 | adamw, i'm cc'd on it .. moment | 15:11 |
maxamillion | so ... I am going to play the noob real quick, what's systemd? | 15:11 |
j_dulaney | Viking-Ice: I thought the same thing? | 15:11 |
adamw | maxamillion: new init system, written by lennart | 15:11 |
adamw | it's the pulseaudio of system startup! | 15:11 |
fenris02 | bug #614574 | 15:11 |
jlaska | adamw: don't phrase it like that! :D | 15:11 |
maxamillion | adamw: wait, its going to replace upstart? | 15:11 |
jlaska | .bug 614574 | 15:11 |
zodbot | jlaska: Bug 614574 tracker : SELinux policy for Systemd - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=614574 | 15:11 |
adamw | it's going to place sysv. | 15:11 |
fenris02 | maxamillion, correct. upstart is too unstable | 15:11 |
Viking-Ice | http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=183943 | 15:12 |
maxamillion | yes!!!!! | 15:12 |
maxamillion | I freaking hate upstart | 15:12 |
jlaska | okay ... so next topic ... | 15:12 |
adamw | maxamillion: yeah, it's going to replace it. | 15:12 |
maxamillion | adamw: rock | 15:12 |
jlaska | #topic Package update acceptance plan | 15:12 |
* maxamillion does a little dance | 15:12 | |
fenris02 | maxamillion, check out the whitepaper on systemd. once it works, it sounds awesome | 15:12 |
Viking-Ice | * Wed Jul 14 2010 Dan Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com> 3.8.7-2 - Make boot with systemd in enforcing mode | 15:12 |
maxamillion | fenris02: I will do so shortly | 15:12 |
j_dulaney | systemd is pretty cool; I like the code, too | 15:12 |
j_dulaney | rather elegant, in my opinion | 15:13 |
kparal | guys, the topic changed... :) | 15:13 |
j_dulaney | Oh | 15:13 |
jlaska | we can talk about systemd in open-discussion if there are any more topics | 15:13 |
maxamillion | sorry to contribute to derailing the meeting :P | 15:13 |
adamw | we all ignore that jlaska guy and his crazy topic changes | 15:13 |
jlaska | adamw: cranes | 15:13 |
adamw | =) | 15:13 |
maxamillion | ok, so ... package update acceptance plan :) | 15:13 |
maxamillion | go! | 15:13 |
jlaska | kparal and vaschenb are representing the AutoQA masses today | 15:13 |
kparal | two masses :) | 15:14 |
* jlaska notes wwoods and jskladan are out enjoying life hopefully | 15:14 | |
j_dulaney | to me, this IS life | 15:14 |
jlaska | so kparal ... any big items to report on ... there's been quite a flury of activity on autoqa-devel@ in the past 2 weeks | 15:14 |
kparal | alright, so let me say a few words about the past week or so | 15:14 |
* adamw bets wwoods is slumped over a bar somewhere saying 'yum upgrade? let me TELL you about yum upgrades...' | 15:14 | |
* Viking-Ice is so fortunate to not having a life.. | 15:14 | |
maxamillion | adamw: LOL | 15:15 |
j_dulaney | Yeah, I'm still trying to dig through all the emails | 15:15 |
kparal | unfortunatelly our main autoqa architect wwoods is somewhere out there, so our patches are not really submitted to master | 15:15 |
kparal | but vaschenb prepared a helloworld test usable for the newcommers and for us when testing new hooks and stuff | 15:16 |
* j_dulaney notes that next time he gets sick, he should turn off mail receiving from the mailing lists | 15:16 | |
jlaska | #info vaschenb prepared a helloworld test usable for the newcommers and for us when testing new hooks and stuff | 15:16 |
kparal | he can surely say a few words about it, go, vaschenb :) | 15:16 |
* maxamillion has to run afk | 15:16 | |
j_dulaney | Peace, bro | 15:16 |
vaschenb | kparal: I'm just listener :-) | 15:17 |
vaschenb | kparal: no write access :-D | 15:17 |
kparal | alright, so let's say we now have a slightly modified control file | 15:17 |
kparal | all autoqa variables are in a dictionary now, so it's much easier to get a list of them | 15:17 |
kparal | which will allow us to do multihook tests | 15:17 |
kparal | (maybe with some more tweaks) | 15:18 |
j_dulaney | Is such a list available online? | 15:18 |
kparal | j_dulaney: not really online, but in the documentation of every hook | 15:18 |
j_dulaney | Or, would it be | 15:18 |
j_dulaney | kparal: ah, thanks | 15:18 |
jlaska | j_dulaney: I believe vaschenb posted a dump of them to autoqa-devel recently? | 15:18 |
kparal | the patches are in autoqa-devel, not yet merged to master | 15:19 |
j_dulaney | jlaska: I'll look for it, I've a million emails built up | 15:19 |
vaschenb | j_dulaney: it's helloworld topic... | 15:19 |
j_dulaney | vaschenb: aye aye | 15:20 |
kparal | and from the my part of the world - I started to work on a new control file for tests, that would handle autoqa variables (not just autotest ones). | 15:20 |
kparal | that means that tests will be able to better control when and how they should run | 15:20 |
jlaska | this ties into your labels work, right? | 15:20 |
kparal | for example on which architectures, which autotest labels are required for this test to run, or whether this run should run at all | 15:20 |
jlaska | ah cool | 15:21 |
kparal | for example we don't have to run initscripts test when we don't have initscript testing support for that particular package | 15:21 |
kparal | which saves resources in the end | 15:21 |
j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:21 |
jlaska | #info kparal started to work on a new control file for tests, that would handle autoqa variables | 15:21 |
kparal | similarly to rpmlint, we don't need it to run on every architecture, just on 'any' single architecture | 15:21 |
kparal | so, that's it I guess. stay tuned :) | 15:22 |
jlaska | eggsellent, thanks for the updates kparal | 15:22 |
kparal | and I have created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Automate_AutoQA_clients_installation today | 15:22 |
kparal | if you need to install multiple virtual machines as AutoQA clients, this can save you some time and typing | 15:23 |
jlaska | sounds like vaschenb's work isn't far from master, wwoods will likely help move that through when he returns | 15:23 |
kparal | jlaska: yea, I'm sure his patches are just one review away from master :) | 15:23 |
jlaska | #info kparal created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Automate_AutoQA_clients_installation to document installing multiple autoqa virt clients | 15:23 |
jlaska | alrighty ... anything else guys? | 15:24 |
kparal | this time it's really all from us I believe | 15:24 |
jlaska | okay, let's move on to adamw and maxamillion | 15:24 |
jlaska | #topic Proventester Update | 15:25 |
adamw | well, i dunno that we need to do this every week now | 15:25 |
adamw | i think the hard work for proven testers is pretty much done now, we have the process in place and working | 15:25 |
jlaska | adamw: cool, I'm fine removing it ... I left it on from last week since we still had open items | 15:25 |
adamw | what's open for update from last week? | 15:25 |
jlaska | talking to lmacken for guidance on the 2 python scripts he has for generating bodhi metrics | 15:26 |
adamw | okay, yeah, i mailed luke | 15:26 |
adamw | he said he could make metrics stuff happen if we request it, so i opened a ticket | 15:26 |
adamw | https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/456 | 15:26 |
adamw | i put the most important metrics i can think of that we'd need in the ticket | 15:27 |
adamw | can anyone think of any others? | 15:27 |
jlaska | oh nice, /me looks | 15:27 |
jlaska | adamw: nice ... I like those 2 points you noted in the ticket | 15:27 |
jlaska | * top proven testers (by feedback left on critpath packages) | 15:27 |
jlaska | * a list of critpath updates still requiring proventesters feedback (ordered perhaps by how long since they were submitted) | 15:28 |
j_dulaney | Do reverse order, so oldest is first? | 15:28 |
adamw | the top proven tester each week will win free beer!* | 15:28 |
adamw | * - the beer is a lie | 15:28 |
j_dulaney | Or is that what was meant | 15:28 |
adamw | j_dulaney: that's probably what i meant, but it's worth clarifying it, thanks =) | 15:28 |
j_dulaney | adamw: I'm close enough to drive to Raleigh to get beer | 15:29 |
adamw | oh, that's a good idea, since i'm in vancouver. yes, jlaska in Raleigh is DEFINITELY in charge of providing the free beer | 15:29 |
kparal | j_dulaney: you would have to travel much further to get a beer from adamw :) | 15:29 |
kparal | heh | 15:30 |
adamw | direct all free beer-related enquiries to jlaska | 15:30 |
j_dulaney | LOL | 15:30 |
* maxamillion is back | 15:30 | |
Viking-Ice | make sure he only provides imported beer | 15:30 |
fenris02 | who handles the free pony? | 15:30 |
* j_dulaney likes imports | 15:30 | |
jlaska | I've got a fedora-qa ticket open that ties into your metrics thread | 15:30 |
adamw | we'll have absolutely no pony handling in THIS qa group, i tell you | 15:30 |
j_dulaney | although NC's Duck Rabit stout's pretty good | 15:30 |
adamw | jlaska: stop working, we're trying to be silly here! what ticket? | 15:31 |
jlaska | adamw: anything you want to keep on the list for next week? | 15:31 |
Viking-Ice | I think anything will suffice as long is not beer from the state | 15:31 |
adamw | Viking-Ice: american microbrews are pretty great. it's only the mass market stuff that sucks. of course, in europe you only get the mass market stuff. | 15:31 |
Viking-Ice | yup | 15:31 |
jlaska | adamw: ticket#93 | 15:32 |
maxamillion | Franziskaner for everyone! :D | 15:32 |
adamw | jlaska: i don't think there's anything we need to keep as a weekly checkin, we can put the metrics in as a meeting topic in future if we ever need to i guess | 15:32 |
jlaska | adamw: okay | 15:32 |
adamw | maxamillion: anything you can think of to check in on for proventesters in future meetings? | 15:32 |
* jlaska notes ... there goes my left-click :( | 15:33 | |
adamw | jlaska: same bug we've been talking about on the list? | 15:33 |
maxamillion | adamw: not that I can think of, I think we're pretty much full swing ... all the action items that I know of have been completed | 15:33 |
j_dulaney | jlaska: redundancy, man, redundancy | 15:33 |
jlaska | adamw: yeah | 15:33 |
jlaska | okay, it's open discussion time | 15:33 |
* jeff_hann here, sorry | 15:33 | |
jlaska | #topic Open discussion - <your topic here> | 15:33 |
adamw | jlaska: try yanking the mouse cord? it hasn't happened to me again yet, i'm curious to see if that helps | 15:33 |
jeff_hann | just got home from work | 15:33 |
j_dulaney | beer? | 15:33 |
jlaska | adamw: didn't help :( | 15:34 |
adamw | ooh. interesting bug...wonder what it is | 15:34 |
* j_dulaney has mouse and tablet, so if one dies, in theory, the other should still work | 15:34 | |
jlaska | #chair kparal | 15:34 |
zodbot | Current chairs: jlaska kparal | 15:34 |
Viking-Ice | I say we ditch mouse and touchpads all together and go keyboard only | 15:35 |
jlaska | kparal: Can you guide us through to the finish line, I'm double booked | 15:35 |
kparal | jlaska: sure | 15:35 |
kparal | it may be very short | 15:35 |
kparal | does anyone have any open floor topic? | 15:35 |
adamw | does anyone have a NON-BEER-RELATED open floor topic? | 15:35 |
j_dulaney | Not I | 15:35 |
maxamillion | I kinda have one | 15:35 |
jlaska | kparal: thanks | 15:36 |
maxamillion | would we want to look into a weekly "this is how many proventester mentor requests are still outstanding, anyone interested?" check-in ? | 15:36 |
j_dulaney | That may be a good thing | 15:36 |
kparal | #topic outstanding proventester mentor requests | 15:36 |
adamw | maybe in the short term, ypu | 15:37 |
adamw | i'd hope we won't really have outstanding requests in the long term | 15:37 |
j_dulaney | It shouldn't take long to run through | 15:37 |
adamw | but seems like a solid idea if we do | 15:37 |
kparal | I think we can have a look at it next week | 15:37 |
maxamillion | adamw: right | 15:37 |
kparal | but generally we shouldn't have any of them outstanding | 15:37 |
maxamillion | I'd hope it won't be something that there are many outstanding in the long term but since we're still kinda in the early stages of being live I thought I'd bring it up | 15:38 |
kparal | and now I don't know the tag for marking a follow-up item | 15:38 |
j_dulaney | Of course, the average proven tester doesn't have to be a rocket scientest | 15:38 |
adamw | kparal: #action | 15:39 |
adamw | something like #action maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin | 15:39 |
kparal | #action maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin | 15:40 |
maxamillion | :) | 15:40 |
j_dulaney | LOL | 15:40 |
vaschenb | hh | 15:40 |
kparal | alright, anythig else to solve? :) | 15:40 |
Viking-Ice | The selinux policy for systemd in enforcing mode is in place ( selinux-policy-3.8.7-2.fc14 ) thus there should not be anything in the way of allowing systemd to replace upstart in alpha. . .. | 15:40 |
kparal | #topic Open floor | 15:40 |
fenris02 | Viking-Ice, you tested it? | 15:40 |
* j_dulaney thinks that he'll give it a shot | 15:41 | |
Viking-Ice | not in enforcing mode | 15:41 |
adamw | Viking-Ice: that's not a qa issue, still. it's a devel issue. once it's in, we can start complaining that it's broken. =) | 15:41 |
* j_dulaney rather likes systemd | 15:41 | |
fenris02 | Viking-Ice, last i tried, it failed miserably in enforcing mode. | 15:41 |
Viking-Ice | I've been running systemd from the get go however in disabled mode | 15:42 |
kparal | alright, seems we don't have any other topics to discuss | 15:42 |
fenris02 | j_dulaney, the concept is outstanding. it's just not ready yet | 15:42 |
kparal | thanks everyone for joining in | 15:42 |
maxamillion | happy to have been able to make it back to one of these :) | 15:42 |
kparal | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
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