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People present (lines said):
- jlaska (178)
- adamw (43)
- j_dulaney (31)
- tflink (29)
- kparal (23)
- rbergeron (21)
- athmane (19)
- vhumpa (10)
- brunowolff (9)
- zodbot (4)
- jsmith (3)
- twoerner (2)
- jskladan (1)
- mkrizek (1)
- robatino (1)
Unable to attend:
Agenda
Gnome Shell duplicate application names
- Renaming of xfce-terminal application being discussed upstream
- Waiting for desktop@ feedback to resolve duplicate system-config-* application names
- Not a BLOCKER for Fedora 16, but considered a NTH
- ACTION: j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!!
Fedora 16 - Rawhide acceptance testing
- Fedora 16 QA schedule - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html
- twu agreed to lead Rawhide Acceptance Tests for Fedora 16, will be testing and posting a matrix for review starting this week
- Brunowolf and athmane discussed some grub related issues that may impact the Alpha (e.g. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718722)
- Jlaska also reminded that, coming to a #fedora-bugzappers channel near you, this Friday, July 15 -- Alpha Blocker Meeting (f16alpha) #1. For the current list of proposed and accepted blockers, refer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers
- ACTION: jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday
AutoQA updates
- AutoQA 0.5.0 released - "the new spam-less autoqa is awesome, thanks everyone" -athmane
- Related announcement blog posts include http://kparal.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/autoqa-0-5-0-released/ and http://blog.tirfa.com/autoqa-050-spamalot-less
- Work has started on discussing 0.6.0 development - https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-July/002524.html
- A nice new AutoQA release process SOP is in the works - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Release_Process
- There is a scheduled AutoQA outage this Tuesday, July 12 - moving to new hardware and vlan. tflink volunteered to send a more formal announcement letting maintainers know
- Jlaska discussed the possibility of upgrading the autoqa server to RHEL6, tflink looking forward to no longer supporting python2.4 in autoqa
R3 - Retrospective recommendation review
- Just a reminder that if you are looking to get involved in Fedora QA ... and looking for something to do ... the retrospective is another good place to look
- flying unicorns and/or cucumbers will be considered as rewards
- More information avialable at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations
Cloud SIG testing
- This was a topic that rbergeron raised a few meetings back ... looking for volunteers to help validate F15 EC2 images
- athmane answered the call and created a TRAC ticket (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/212) and test day page (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Athmane/Draft_Test_Day_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2)
- The remaining issues include 1) how the AMIs should be built, and 2) figure out how to reimburse testers for participating in testing Fedora AMIs
- ACTION: rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas (jlaska, 15:57:13)
Security lab SPIN matrix
- https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/207
- adamw suggested adjusting the existing release validation SOP to include the new Security SPIN matrix
- athmane volunteered to propose changes to the release SOP to include the Security SPIN matrix in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Release_Validation_Test_Event
Open Discussion - <your topic here>
Action Items
- j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!!
- jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday
- rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas
- athmane volunteered to update update release validation SOP to include new Security SPIN test matrix
IRC Log
jlaska | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | 15:00 |
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zodbot | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 15:00:24 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
jlaska | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
jlaska | #topic Roll Call | 15:00 |
* j_dulaney was just given free noms, and is also present in his Pirate garb | 15:00 | |
adamw | yo | 15:00 |
* athmane is here but at $dayjob :( | 15:00 | |
jlaska | hellooo gang | 15:00 |
jlaska | athmane: thanks for joining | 15:01 |
* brunowolff is here | 15:01 | |
* tflink is here | 15:01 | |
* mkrizek is here | 15:01 | |
jlaska | adamw: j_dulaney brunowolff tflink hey folks | 15:01 |
* kparal waives | 15:01 | |
jlaska | welcome back mkrizek :) | 15:01 |
* j_dulaney slacked off last week, and must apologize. He was at the beach | 15:01 | |
jlaska | Howdy kparal and jskladan | 15:02 |
jlaska | j_dulaney: lucky you :) | 15:02 |
j_dulaney | Indeed. | 15:02 |
* rbergeron waves | 15:02 | |
* kparal waves again, this time correctly "0 | 15:02 | |
* jlaska gives rbergeron the double guns | 15:02 | |
* rbergeron winks at jlaska | 15:02 | |
* jskladan tips his hat and laugs out loud to kparal's typo :) | 15:02 | |
jlaska | heh | 15:02 |
jlaska | okay, anyone else we are missing? Viking-Ice or robatino? | 15:03 |
* robatino here | 15:03 | |
* jlaska will get started in a moment (sometimes referred to as a jiffy) | 15:03 | |
* j_dulaney thought he saw robatino | 15:03 | |
j_dulaney | Ah, never mind | 15:03 |
jlaska | robatino: hey there ... sorry if I missed ya | 15:03 |
jlaska | okay ... I sent an agenda to the list a little while ago | 15:04 |
jlaska | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20110711 | 15:04 |
jlaska | there are a few 'status update' type topics to run through today | 15:04 |
jlaska | and of course any open discussin | 15:04 |
jlaska | let's get movin' | 15:04 |
jlaska | of course, welcome back to mkrizek, joining us for round#2 as an intern in Brno, CZ! | 15:04 |
jlaska | pschindler will be joining as well, but has a conflict for the meeting today | 15:05 |
jlaska | #topic Gnome Shell duplicate application names | 15:05 |
jlaska | Not sure if vhumpa lurks? | 15:05 |
jlaska | Didn't want this to fall off the radar, wasn't sure if vhumpa or adamw had any updates on this topic | 15:05 |
jlaska | iirc, there was a proposed application rename for the XFCE terminal? | 15:06 |
* j_dulaney hasn't heard any updates | 15:06 | |
vhumpa | In here! | 15:06 |
adamw | yeah, that's going through upstream | 15:06 |
athmane | xfce-terminal ? | 15:06 |
adamw | yes | 15:06 |
adamw | i don't think there's any other news | 15:06 |
adamw | we didn't get around to doing anything about the s-c-* names yet right vita? | 15:06 |
jlaska | #info Renaming of xfce-terminal application being discussed upstream | 15:07 |
jlaska | welcome again Vita! :) | 15:07 |
vhumpa | E-mail asking for an approval for removing some of the duplicate system-config-* utils from the Gnomeshell overview still sits in the desktop mailing list. | 15:08 |
adamw | there was some discussion about suppressing some of them from appearing in the gnome menus | 15:08 |
adamw | not sure if that's going ahead | 15:08 |
jlaska | vhumpa: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2011-June/007338.html ? | 15:08 |
vhumpa | Yes, that's the one | 15:09 |
jlaska | "would you guys agree to make the 3 duplicate system-config-* | 15:09 |
jlaska | utilities "NotShowIn" in GNOME? And if so, what steps should we take to | 15:09 |
jlaska | make this so?" | 15:09 |
jlaska | #info Waiting for desktop@ feedback to resolve duplicate system-config-* application names | 15:09 |
jlaska | is this something we think should be completed for F16? | 15:10 |
adamw | there's no reason why not. | 15:10 |
adamw | at least, the s-c-* bit. | 15:10 |
vhumpa | It's really easy to do | 15:11 |
jlaska | anyone have suggestions for helping this move forward? | 15:11 |
vhumpa | If there is an agreement | 15:11 |
jlaska | is a response to that email the blocker, or are there things we can do on the side? | 15:11 |
adamw | well we could just go ahead and change it, but that might be impolite. =) | 15:11 |
vhumpa | I don't think thats a blocker | 15:12 |
vhumpa | +1 for adamw :) | 15:12 |
adamw | it probably just requires more poking of the desktop team. they need a good regular poking. | 15:12 |
jlaska | heh | 15:12 |
adamw | it's good for the soul. | 15:12 |
jlaska | on both ends I'm sure | 15:12 |
j_dulaney | Poke adamw | 15:12 |
jlaska | the poker and the pokee | 15:12 |
adamw | unhand me, you monster! | 15:12 |
j_dulaney | TMI | 15:12 |
* jlaska waves the #action tag for any volunteers | 15:12 | |
* jlaska holds a lollypop in other hand | 15:13 | |
* adamw hides behind the couch | 15:13 | |
* jlaska waves lollypop towards Vita | 15:13 | |
jlaska | :) | 15:13 |
vhumpa | Ah, I know nothing of the Desktop team ;-) | 15:13 |
jlaska | jk ... if no one wants it, I'll be happy to nudge | 15:13 |
jlaska | vhumpa: haha | 15:13 |
* j_dulaney dislikes sweets. A pizza would be better incentive | 15:13 | |
j_dulaney | Or cucumbers. In vast quantities | 15:14 |
vhumpa | Some poking in the IRC might be sufficient | 15:14 |
j_dulaney | jlaska: I'll do it | 15:14 |
jlaska | #action j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!! | 15:14 |
j_dulaney | As long as I get cucumbers | 15:14 |
vhumpa | j_dulaney: you are a saint | 15:14 |
adamw | you can have my favorite cucumber | 15:14 |
adamw | he's called Mr. Pokey | 15:14 |
jlaska | okay ... anything else here, other than requesting a cucumber themed non-beefy miracle? | 15:15 |
j_dulaney | Ok..... | 15:15 |
tflink | j_dulaney: would this work for cucumbers? http://cukes.info/ | 15:15 |
jlaska | heh | 15:15 |
tflink | its testing related :-D | 15:15 |
twoerner | the fesco meeting is in about 2 hours, right? | 15:15 |
jlaska | okay, moving on ... | 15:15 |
jlaska | #topic Fedora 16 - Rawhide acceptance testing | 15:15 |
tflink | twoerner: yeah | 15:16 |
twoerner | tflink: thx | 15:16 |
jlaska | adamw reminded me last week that RATS have entered the building! | 15:16 |
jlaska | of course, where RATs == Rawhide Acceptance Tests | 15:16 |
adamw | they're eating all the cucumbers | 15:16 |
jlaska | #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html | 15:16 |
jlaska | adamw: I believe they are | 15:17 |
jlaska | I've spoken to Tao Wu who did a real nice job running the RATs during F15 ... he's agreed to lead this for F16 as well | 15:17 |
jlaska | so many thanks to twu!! | 15:17 |
adamw | yay | 15:17 |
jlaska | I expect we'll have a combination of autoqa rats_{install,sanity} results later this week ... along with some announcements on test@lists.fedoraproject.org discussing issues/bugs etc.. | 15:18 |
brunowolff | Grub seems to be messed up in rawhide. | 15:18 |
jlaska | I've also asked for Tao to think about incorporating live images into the RATs tests this release ... since we keep having alpha-blocking live related issues each Alpha release | 15:18 |
brunowolff | That might slow things down unless it is hardware specific. | 15:19 |
jlaska | #info twu agreed to lead Rawhide Acceptance Tests for Fedora 16 - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html | 15:19 |
jlaska | brunowolff: yeah it definitely might, thanks for the heads up | 15:19 |
brunowolff | Bug 718722 | 15:19 |
jlaska | I've been hitting some deps problems while trying to compose testable install images | 15:19 |
jlaska | .bug 718722 | 15:19 |
zodbot | jlaska: Bug 718722 Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718722 | 15:19 |
athmane | this affect the recent grub update too | 15:20 |
athmane | on f15 | 15:20 |
jlaska | I think twu will file a ticket to get help from rel-eng creating the PXEboot+boot.iso images for test | 15:20 |
j_dulaney | When is the divergence? | 15:20 |
athmane | has been un-pushed | 15:20 |
brunowolff | I also marked a cpu lockup bug as a possible blocker, but it only seems to affect some hardware, so the impact for testing might be low. | 15:20 |
jlaska | Tao will create the test results wiki page probably tomorrow ... as with our normal test runs, please feel free to add these issues to the list of bugs found | 15:21 |
jlaska | and of course ... the appropriate blocker list | 15:21 |
brunowolff | And that one has a potential fix I am hoping to test tonight. | 15:21 |
jlaska | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers | 15:21 |
j_dulaney | So, by Wednesday I'll start playing with it. | 15:22 |
jlaska | adamw: guess what starts this Friday? | 15:22 |
adamw | free unicorns for all? | 15:22 |
brunowolff | The grub bug seems to be do to a change outside of grub. Maybe the C compiler. | 15:22 |
jlaska | you got it ... in the form of ... | 15:22 |
brunowolff | s/do/due/ | 15:22 |
jlaska | #info Coming to a #fedora-bugzappers near you, this Friday, July 15 -- Alpha Blocker Meeting (f16alpha) #1 | 15:22 |
jlaska | brunowolff: thanks for chasing that one down | 15:23 |
tflink | jlaska: unicorns sound like more fun :-P | 15:23 |
adamw | blocker meetings: like unicorns, only way more tedious | 15:23 |
jlaska | tflink: they definitely are! | 15:23 |
jlaska | and less tasty | 15:23 |
j_dulaney | Flying Unicorns? | 15:23 |
adamw | what kind of sick and twisted individual... | 15:23 |
adamw | would eat a blocker meeting? | 15:23 |
j_dulaney | jlaska, it would seem | 15:24 |
jlaska | Unless anyone else is anxious for it ... I'll send out a blocker meeting reminder on Wednesday | 15:24 |
jlaska | #action jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday | 15:24 |
brunowolff | Please no 4 hour meetings this release. | 15:24 |
jlaska | agreed! | 15:24 |
jsmith | Here here! | 15:25 |
jlaska | I think we'll be able to move through all those systemd proposed bugs in one big swoop | 15:25 |
j_dulaney | +1 | 15:25 |
jlaska | easy way to fix the meeting time ... stop introducing bugs :) | 15:25 |
jlaska | so ... thanks to twu for agreeing to manage the RATs runs this release | 15:25 |
adamw | brunowolff: don't worry, we're aiming for a minimum of seven | 15:25 |
tflink | did we ever get anywhere on suggestions on how to make the blocker meetings less painful? | 15:25 |
jlaska | and thanks to several of you for already testing F16/rawhide | 15:25 |
* tflink remembers something about pre-processing the bugs | 15:25 | |
jlaska | tflink: I have not received any feedback on that subject | 15:25 |
adamw | tflink: i don't think that went anywhere yet | 15:26 |
jlaska | tflink: we can talk more about that shortly ... | 15:26 |
jlaska | that's another topic on the list | 15:26 |
jlaska | but first ... | 15:26 |
jlaska | if you act now ... you'll get ... | 15:26 |
jlaska | #topic AutoQA updates | 15:26 |
jlaska | any takers to walk us through the latest from AutoQA land? | 15:26 |
jlaska | s/takers/volunteers/ | 15:26 |
kparal | the big update is... | 15:27 |
kparal | 0.5.0 release | 15:27 |
athmane | the new spam-less autoqa is awesome, thanks everyone | 15:27 |
kparal | I guess we didn't announce it here already, right? :) | 15:27 |
kparal | there are some blogposts about it: | 15:27 |
kparal | #link http://kparal.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/autoqa-0-5-0-released/ | 15:27 |
jlaska | #info AutoQA 0.5.0 released - "the new spam-less autoqa is awesome, thanks everyone" -athmane | 15:28 |
* kparal looking for tflink's blog | 15:28 | |
j_dulaney | And, already, work has started on listing things to toss into 0.6 | 15:28 |
jlaska | #link http://blog.tirfa.com/autoqa-050-spamalot-less | 15:28 |
* jlaska loves that title :) | 15:28 | |
kparal | we didn't receive much complaints lately | 15:29 |
j_dulaney | It is awesome | 15:29 |
kparal | which means it probably works | 15:29 |
kparal | currently we began planning 0.6 release | 15:29 |
jlaska | Also known as ... "Our most important release to date" :) | 15:30 |
kparal | and with 4 more hands, we should code faster than ever :)) | 15:30 |
kparal | mkrizek was already working on AutoQA and now re-joined | 15:30 |
kparal | and Petr Schindler will introduce himself next week | 15:31 |
adamw | cool | 15:31 |
jlaska | #info Work has started on listing things to toss into 0.6.0 - https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-July/002524.html | 15:31 |
jlaska | awesome, we tricked mkrizek into coming back!! | 15:31 |
* jlaska puts the carrots back in the drawer | 15:31 | |
kparal | team: any other news worth mentioning? | 15:31 |
jlaska | #info nice new AutoQA SOP in the making - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Release_Process | 15:32 |
tflink | downtime for infra upgrades | 15:32 |
jlaska | tflink: thanks for the reminder .. | 15:32 |
kparal | are they scheduled? | 15:32 |
tflink | tomorrow, I think | 15:32 |
jlaska | yup, it's happening tomorrow | 15:32 |
tflink | thats what the notice said, anyways | 15:33 |
jlaska | anyone have suggestions for how best to coordinate this? | 15:33 |
jlaska | should we announce this outage anywhere? | 15:33 |
tflink | jlaska: probably should | 15:33 |
kparal | jlaska: are they upgrading our production instance, or it will just be shut down? | 15:33 |
tflink | do we know how long we're going to be down with the HW move and SW upgrades? | 15:33 |
jlaska | kparal: tflink: can one of you guys handle that? | 15:34 |
tflink | jlaska: sure, I can do that. | 15:34 |
* kparal missed the notice | 15:34 | |
jlaska | tflink: thanks, hit me up afterwards for more guidance on outage time frame etc... | 15:34 |
jlaska | kparal: it's a fresh install, and we'll have access to our old instance for a _short_ while before those resources are taken back | 15:34 |
athmane | tflink: if you need something i'll be around | 15:34 |
kparal | jlaska: it means RHEL 6? | 15:35 |
jlaska | #info AutoQA outage scheduled for Tuesday, July 12 - moving to new hardware and vlan | 15:35 |
jlaska | kparal: it'd like for it to mean that :) | 15:35 |
tflink | kparal: the announcement went out to devel@ - I don't think that it went to test@ | 15:35 |
kparal | that would be great | 15:35 |
jlaska | kparal: yes it would :D | 15:35 |
tflink | athmane: thanks, do you want to be cc'd on plans? | 15:36 |
jlaska | I expect we'll likely run into some minor upgrade issues | 15:36 |
tflink | specifics, anyways | 15:36 |
jlaska | that's how those things work ... I'm planning to just work with infrastructure to push through | 15:36 |
tflink | yay for no more python 2.4 hacks!!!! | 15:36 |
jlaska | :) | 15:36 |
jlaska | #info tflink looking forward to no longer supporting python2.4 in autoqa | 15:36 |
* kparal yay | 15:36 | |
athmane | tflink: sure, I'm also on #fedora-admin, #fedora-noc | 15:36 |
jlaska | note, autotest itself still will support python-2.4 ... but I don't think that's something we need to worry about | 15:37 |
jlaska | kparal: tflink: any objections if I move my proposed Makefile patch into 'master'? | 15:37 |
tflink | jlaska: nope, I just started trying it out this morning | 15:37 |
kparal | jlaska: no | 15:38 |
tflink | looks fine so far | 15:38 |
jlaska | tflink: cool, lemme know if you hit any bugs | 15:38 |
jlaska | tflink: kparal: thanks | 15:38 |
jlaska | anything else to hilight on autoqa? | 15:38 |
tflink | nothing I can think of | 15:38 |
jlaska | thanks gang for the great 0.5.0 release ... and for getting that ball rollin' for 0.6.0! | 15:39 |
jlaska | #topic R^3 - Retrospective recommendation review | 15:39 |
jlaska | nothing amazing to report here ... | 15:39 |
j_dulaney | No flying unicorns? | 15:39 |
j_dulaney | Or cucumbers? | 15:39 |
jlaska | just a reminder that if you are looking to get involved in Fedora QA ... and looking for something to do ... the retrospective is another good place to look | 15:39 |
jlaska | athmane, rhe and adamw have already been making tons of progress on related items from the list ... so thank you | 15:40 |
jlaska | #info just a reminder that if you are looking to get involved in Fedora QA ... and looking for something to do ... the retrospective is another good place to look | 15:40 |
jlaska | #info flying unicorns and/or cucumbers will be considered as rewards | 15:40 |
jlaska | the topic tflink mentioned earlier is on this list ... | 15:41 |
adamw | flying cucumbers? i want me one of those | 15:41 |
jlaska | waiting for some brave soul to create the request and get this starting | 15:41 |
jlaska | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations | 15:42 |
tflink | jlaska: the one about blocker review process? | 15:42 |
jlaska | tflink: you got it ... "Brainstorm for ways to reduce the blocker review meeting length - The meetings are required, effective but far too long. How can we encourage more offline/asynchronous bug processing" | 15:42 |
jlaska | also on this subject ... I'm in the process of creating an SOP to outline the QA Retrospective process | 15:43 |
jlaska | I'll send that to the list for feedback once I flesh out some more content | 15:43 |
jlaska | adamw: did you already address the need for betanag criteria? | 15:43 |
j_dulaney | jlaska: Review RHBZ #704030 with rel-eng to identify cause and make appropriate SOP changes to ensure issue is not repeated, has someone got that? | 15:44 |
jlaska | I know we talked about it ... but I can't remember if that was already addressed, or still in idea phase | 15:44 |
j_dulaney | If not, I will | 15:44 |
jlaska | j_dulaney: if you don't see a ticket for it ... go for it! | 15:44 |
* j_dulaney will grab it | 15:44 | |
adamw | jlaska: oh, good one. no, didn't do anything yet iirc | 15:44 |
jlaska | j_dulaney: I can create the ticket if you like, just shout | 15:44 |
j_dulaney | jlaska: I will | 15:44 |
jlaska | adamw: those might be of interest to you (and anyone else who loves unicorns and release criteria) - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective#Release_Criteria | 15:45 |
jlaska | j_dulaney: thank you!! | 15:45 |
jlaska | okay, any questions/comments/concerns on the F15 retrospective topic | 15:45 |
* jlaska prepares to move on ... | 15:45 | |
adamw | shiny | 15:45 |
jlaska | #topic Cloud SIG testing | 15:46 |
jlaska | This was a topic that rbergeron raised a few meetings back ... looking for volunteers to help validate F15 EC2 images | 15:47 |
jlaska | #info This was a topic that rbergeron raised a few meetings back ... looking for volunteers to help validate F15 EC2 images | 15:47 |
jlaska | #info athmane answered the call and created a TRAC ticket (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/212) and test day page | 15:47 |
jlaska | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Athmane/Draft_Test_Day_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2 | 15:47 |
j_dulaney | The issue here is I haven't got any EC2 space | 15:48 |
jlaska | my understanding is we are trying to decide on a date for the event | 15:48 |
adamw | is the sig on board with this? | 15:48 |
tflink | from the cloud meeting on friday, the issue ATM is how the AMIs should be built | 15:49 |
j_dulaney | This issue was raised during the trip to SELF, namely, how get more people to test this without spending too much money | 15:49 |
* athmane is confused in that matter | 15:49 | |
tflink | and whether its possible for the BG built AMIs to be blessed by rel-eng | 15:49 |
jlaska | #info from the cloud meeting on friday, the issue ATM is how the AMIs should be built | 15:49 |
jlaska | rbergeron: still around? | 15:49 |
tflink | rbergeron would know more but I believe that the desire was to have a late F15 test day for the AMIs and schedule another one for F16 | 15:50 |
athmane | when I wrote test page / test cases I supposed using fedora as server but amazon specific tests are required imho | 15:50 |
jlaska | yeah, it may be ... so who has the ball on this request? | 15:50 |
* tflink needs to get off his butt and start some conversations on S3/EBS | 15:51 | |
rbergeron | jlaska: yes. | 15:51 |
* athmane does not use public cloud (amazon etc...) | 15:51 | |
rbergeron | ONLY for you, and adamw, and tflink, and athmane, and j_dulaney, though. :) | 15:51 |
j_dulaney | rbergeron: What is the status of providing space for testing purposes? | 15:51 |
rbergeron | j_dulaney: on amazon? I'm working with the guy to try and get AWS credits set up. It's not going to be soon, though. Probably more towards end of F16. | 15:52 |
rbergeron | In the interim: | 15:52 |
rbergeron | For those that want to participate | 15:52 |
rbergeron | I believe the cost is *incredibly* low, like... a few dollars. | 15:52 |
rbergeron | And I will send them 5 bucks. | 15:52 |
rbergeron | Because I am tired of screwing around with it. | 15:52 |
adamw | we can put that on the test day page, i guess. | 15:53 |
rbergeron | I will send it via paypal or USPS. Whatever. LOL | 15:53 |
jlaska | heh | 15:53 |
adamw | get paid (a minuscule amount) to test fedora! | 15:53 |
athmane | rbergeron: :) | 15:53 |
* j_dulaney notes that he still hasn't a credit card | 15:53 | |
rbergeron | It would be nice if someone could verify that it's going to be that low of cost, so I'll see if I can get gholms to maybe estimate. | 15:53 |
rbergeron | But I seroiusly believe it would be very low cost. | 15:53 |
tflink | once we get the test cases hammered out, I can go through them and get an estimate | 15:53 |
* jsmith estimates two or three dollars at most | 15:54 | |
rbergeron | Because basically, "community account" means that anyone can do anything, including setting up a personal server for selling pretty pictures over the internet, which would cost 8 zillion dollars. | 15:54 |
rbergeron | yeah. | 15:54 |
jlaska | #info Trying to figure out how to reimburse testers for participating in testing Fedora AMIs | 15:55 |
* kparal and jskladan departs | 15:55 | |
jlaska | so we need some additional test cases too? or is what athmane has good? | 15:55 |
jlaska | kparal: jskladan: thank you | 15:55 |
rbergeron | If and when we can get AWS credits going, it will make it a bit easier. (And Amazon will pay for it, too.) | 15:55 |
rbergeron | jlaska: everyone in the cloud sig seemed comfortable with what was listed. | 15:56 |
jlaska | rbergeron: yeah, that seems to be a significant participation roadblock | 15:56 |
rbergeron | I'll send an email now saying, Please speak in the next few days, or forever hold your peace. | 15:56 |
* athmane distracted by th phone | 15:56 | |
jlaska | okay, anything else to track here? | 15:56 |
rbergeron | jlaska: yeah, but assuming we don't have 500 people show up, and it's like 100 bucks or less from my pocket, it should be fine to paypal/cash reimburse people in the short-term. | 15:57 |
jlaska | #action rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas | 15:57 |
tflink | rbergeron: you might want to add "get approval first" to that process | 15:57 |
tflink | if it isn't already there | 15:57 |
tflink | I'm just thinking something along the lines of "send an email first" but maybe that's not really needed | 15:58 |
jlaska | any other action items or tasks associated with this topic? | 15:58 |
jlaska | in the interest of time ... looking to move on | 15:58 |
jlaska | we can obviously discuss this more on the list, on #fedora-qa ... or next week | 15:58 |
rbergeron | yeah. I dunno. | 15:59 |
rbergeron | tflink: maybe it's a "if you're one of the first 15 or 20" or something. | 15:59 |
jlaska | that seems reasonable | 15:59 |
jlaska | first 20 people to participate, are compensated (up to a X dollar limit) | 15:59 |
jlaska | everyone else gets IOU's | 16:00 |
jlaska | #topic Security Lab SPIN matrix | 16:00 |
jlaska | #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/207 | 16:00 |
jlaska | athmane created this nice test matrix ... do we have a plan for how to incorporate this into our release process? | 16:01 |
athmane | please at least on beta or rcX | 16:01 |
jlaska | or is the idea this will just be used for self-hosting security SPIN testing? | 16:01 |
jlaska | adamw: any thoughts? ^^ | 16:01 |
athmane | self-hosting sound great | 16:01 |
athmane | *sounds | 16:01 |
adamw | it looks great | 16:01 |
adamw | jlaska: there isn't much we need to do | 16:02 |
adamw | jlaska: just adjust the SOP that says what to do when a pre-release goes out to include that matrix | 16:02 |
jlaska | right ... my question is whether we include this matrix in the list of matrices that robatino and rhe announce for test events | 16:02 |
* athmane may add some security testcases in the near future | 16:02 | |
adamw | i was planning to add the security matrix and the base matrix to the SOP at the same time | 16:02 |
jlaska | adamw: yeah that's what I was wondering | 16:02 |
adamw | sure | 16:02 |
adamw | put 'em all in the right categories and that's it, really | 16:02 |
j_dulaney | jlaska +1 for including in test event announces | 16:02 |
jlaska | #info adamw suggested adjusting the existing release validation SOP to include the new Security SPIN matrix | 16:03 |
athmane | so it ok to run test once peer cycle | 16:03 |
jlaska | anyone want to volunteer a SOP patch? like something against https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Release_Validation_Test_Event | 16:04 |
jlaska | adamw: If I may, do you think you have room to include this with your 'base' matrix changes? | 16:04 |
adamw | sure | 16:04 |
adamw | or athmane can do it | 16:04 |
adamw | either way we'll get it done =) | 16:04 |
jlaska | excellent | 16:04 |
jlaska | #info athmane or adamw will propose changes to the release SOP to include the Security SPIN matrix in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Release_Validation_Test_Event | 16:05 |
adamw | athmane: there's no real drawback to publishing it for each pre-release afaics, then we make sure the security list is notified, and they can run through it as often as they choose | 16:05 |
athmane | adamw: I try to do it, it a great experience | 16:05 |
adamw | and qa folks can pitch in too | 16:05 |
jlaska | athmane: thanks for volunteering!! | 16:05 |
adamw | cool | 16:05 |
jlaska | #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here> | 16:05 |
jlaska | anything not previously discussed that folk would like to cover here? | 16:06 |
* jlaska sets the 2 minute #endmeeting fuse | 16:06 | |
jsmith | Just another "thank you" from the FPL -- I'm seeing great things in QA, and that makes me proud | 16:06 |
jlaska | agreed | 16:07 |
jlaska | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-July/101166.html | 16:07 |
jlaska | less than ~30 seconds remaining until #endmeeting | 16:07 |
jlaska | if no other topics, I'll follow-up to the list with meeting minutes | 16:08 |
jlaska | thanks everyone for your time today ... happy testing!! | 16:08 |
jlaska | #endmeeting | 16:08 |
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