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previous meeting [[I18N/InputMethods/Meetings/2009-07-01]]
previous meeting [[I18N/InputMethods/Meetings/2009-07-01]]


* bugs
* keyboard layouts


* next meeting [[I18N/InputMethods/Meetings/2009-07-15]]
* next meeting [[I18N/InputMethods/Meetings/2009-07-15]]
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== Summary==
== Summary==
People:
== Log ==
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|- id="tJul 08 15:03:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hello
|| [[#tJul 08 15:03:17|Jul 08 15:03]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:04:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ping phuang, tagoh3, dingyichen, pravins, et al
|| [[#tJul 08 15:04:03|Jul 08 15:04]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:04:13"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | pong juhp
|| [[#tJul 08 15:04:13|Jul 08 15:04]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:04:24"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | hi all
|| [[#tJul 08 15:04:24|Jul 08 15:04]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:04:46"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | hi
|| [[#tJul 08 15:04:46|Jul 08 15:04]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:04:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm did we talk about using #fedora-meeting?  for me here is fine but we have the meeting bot there and more visibility ;o)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:04:51|Jul 08 15:04]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:05:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe here is ok but if people we should move that is cool too :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:05:33|Jul 08 15:05]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:06:11"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | I don't mind either.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:06:11|Jul 08 15:06]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:06:17"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | same here
|| [[#tJul 08 15:06:17|Jul 08 15:06]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:06:17"
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|- id="tJul 08 15:08:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: how are you? :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:08:00|Jul 08 15:08]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:08:16"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, fine.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:08:16|Jul 08 15:08]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:08:56"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, Last week, Shao and I participated a conference about Chinese Standards for China Mainland and Taiwan
|| [[#tJul 08 15:08:56|Jul 08 15:08]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:09:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | right
|| [[#tJul 08 15:09:05|Jul 08 15:09]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:09:35"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, In the conference, we introduced ibus to people from Mainland and Taiwan. They are interested
|| [[#tJul 08 15:09:35|Jul 08 15:09]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:10:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | cool
|| [[#tJul 08 15:10:01|Jul 08 15:10]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:10:16"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, Taiwanese also want to help us to improve ibus for Taiwan users
|| [[#tJul 08 15:10:16|Jul 08 15:10]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:10:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | great!
|| [[#tJul 08 15:10:25|Jul 08 15:10]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:10:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | more IMEs? :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:10:30|Jul 08 15:10]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:10:46"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | Good to hear that.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:10:46|Jul 08 15:10]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:11:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, more test for ibus,
|| [[#tJul 08 15:11:07|Jul 08 15:11]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:11:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok great
|| [[#tJul 08 15:11:13|Jul 08 15:11]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:11:15"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | hi
|| [[#tJul 08 15:11:15|Jul 08 15:11]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:11:16"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | and introduce ibus to more people
|| [[#tJul 08 15:11:16|Jul 08 15:11]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:11:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | aha
|| [[#tJul 08 15:11:21|Jul 08 15:11]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:11:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | nice
|| [[#tJul 08 15:11:23|Jul 08 15:11]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:12:48"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | They said they are maintaining some tables (like cangjie). Maybe we could use them.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:12:48|Jul 08 15:12]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:13:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#tJul 08 15:13:19|Jul 08 15:13]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:13:34"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | Except it, I also fixed some ibus bugs, and continue developing qt im module
|| [[#tJul 08 15:13:34|Jul 08 15:13]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:13:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:13:42|Jul 08 15:13]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:13:57"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | that's all from me
|| [[#tJul 08 15:13:57|Jul 08 15:13]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:14:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: been thinking a bit more about kbd layouts
|| [[#tJul 08 15:14:34|Jul 08 15:14]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:15:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think it needs to be per mode not IME - so maybe IME's should do that not ibus
|| [[#tJul 08 15:15:07|Jul 08 15:15]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:15:09"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | no
|| [[#tJul 08 15:15:09|Jul 08 15:15]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:16:32"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, you mean let IME handle the keycode?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:16:32|Jul 08 15:16]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:16:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: right
|| [[#tJul 08 15:16:39|Jul 08 15:16]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:17:01"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | The current ibus-1.2 allow IME developers to do that.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:17:01|Jul 08 15:17]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:17:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: eg chewing apparently does something like that in its English submode
|| [[#tJul 08 15:17:07|Jul 08 15:17]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:17:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | and anthy should only do it for kana input mode
|| [[#tJul 08 15:17:22|Jul 08 15:17]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:17:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: wondering though is kana input usable on non-jp kbd?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:17:45|Jul 08 15:17]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:18:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | (at least by default)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:18:09|Jul 08 15:18]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:18:15"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: Not yet. ^.^b.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:18:15|Jul 08 15:18]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:18:35"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | juhp: dunno - I could do because I haven't looked at any printing at the key top :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:18:35|Jul 08 15:18]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:18:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dingyichen: thought you showed me some code related to that?
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|- id="tJul 08 15:19:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: heh - I mean in terms of missing keys
|| [[#tJul 08 15:19:07|Jul 08 15:19]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:19:21"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: That's for how to use IBusKeymap. :-)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:19:21|Jul 08 15:19]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:19:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dingyichen: ah
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|- id="tJul 08 15:19:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dingyichen: but that is what we want no?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:19:43|Jul 08 15:19]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:19:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | for anthy anyway
|| [[#tJul 08 15:19:47|Jul 08 15:19]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:20:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | and for normal chewing mode I guess
|| [[#tJul 08 15:20:00|Jul 08 15:20]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:20:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but not the English submode....
|| [[#tJul 08 15:20:19|Jul 08 15:20]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:20:31"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | juhp: it may depends how much keys are missing except the extra keys.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:20:31|Jul 08 15:20]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:21:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: so actually IMEs are already doing it maybe?  I need to look at anthy
|| [[#tJul 08 15:21:06|Jul 08 15:21]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:21:07"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | like win, menu keys etc
|| [[#tJul 08 15:21:07|Jul 08 15:21]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:21:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: ok I was more thinking about kana keys like the extra keys on the right side of the kbd
|| [[#tJul 08 15:21:40|Jul 08 15:21]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:21:59"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, ibus will send keysym and keycode to engines, engines can handle keysym or keycode byself.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:21:59|Jul 08 15:21]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:22:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: ok cool
|| [[#tJul 08 15:22:07|Jul 08 15:22]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:22:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so probably ibus is fine
|| [[#tJul 08 15:22:16|Jul 08 15:22]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:22:23"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | juhp: symbol keys you mean? true. is it so different among keyboards?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:22:23|Jul 08 15:22]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:22:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: but I am not sure the ibus-setup config is really necessary?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:22:32|Jul 08 15:22]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:22:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: no - jp106 has more keys than us
|| [[#tJul 08 15:22:52|Jul 08 15:22]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:23:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | 2 more I believe
|| [[#tJul 08 15:23:09|Jul 08 15:23]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:23:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | + the others of course
|| [[#tJul 08 15:23:17|Jul 08 15:23]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:23:29"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, it fixes some bugs, 'ibus can not works with no-us' keyboard
|| [[#tJul 08 15:23:29|Jul 08 15:23]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:23:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: next to shift and Enter I think
|| [[#tJul 08 15:23:40|Jul 08 15:23]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:23:45"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | juhp: hmm, just missing 4 keys, no?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:23:45|Jul 08 15:23]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:24:00"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | erm, 5 keys
|| [[#tJul 08 15:24:00|Jul 08 15:24]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:24:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: nope
|| [[#tJul 08 15:24:03|Jul 08 15:24]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:24:10"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | tagoh3, and some keys' position are different
|| [[#tJul 08 15:24:10|Jul 08 15:24]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:24:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | that too
|| [[#tJul 08 15:24:26|Jul 08 15:24]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:24:31"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | phuang: right
|| [[#tJul 08 15:24:31|Jul 08 15:24]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:24:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: I am talking about punctuation
|| [[#tJul 08 15:24:42|Jul 08 15:24]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:25:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway
|| [[#tJul 08 15:25:10|Jul 08 15:25]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:25:40"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | different position may be more serious. it's important to kana input
|| [[#tJul 08 15:25:40|Jul 08 15:25]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:25:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think kaio said scim-anthy maps "ro" to `
|| [[#tJul 08 15:25:41|Jul 08 15:25]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:25:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | for example
|| [[#tJul 08 15:25:49|Jul 08 15:25]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:26:00"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | aha
|| [[#tJul 08 15:26:00|Jul 08 15:26]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:26:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: yep that can be fixed by layout but not missing keys :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:26:12|Jul 08 15:26]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:27:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway
|| [[#tJul 08 15:27:05|Jul 08 15:27]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:27:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | just wondered...
|| [[#tJul 08 15:27:08|Jul 08 15:27]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:27:18"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | well, probably Kanji, Mukenkan, Henkan, Katakana_Hiragana keys - interesting which one more key are missing
|| [[#tJul 08 15:27:18|Jul 08 15:27]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:27:22"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | phuang☺ could I ask who in the conference said they are maintaining some tables like cangjie?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:27:22|Jul 08 15:27]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:27:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | and guess not many people use kana input without jp kbd anyway...
|| [[#tJul 08 15:27:34|Jul 08 15:27]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:28:44"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | Kaio, wait
|| [[#tJul 08 15:28:44|Jul 08 15:28]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:28:59"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | phuang☺ ok
|| [[#tJul 08 15:28:59|Jul 08 15:28]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:29:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout - I think US kbd model is missing equivalent to ] and \ on jp kbd fwiw (is what I meant:)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:29:47|Jul 08 15:29]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:29:52"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | Kaio, I think you could ask Lieh-neng Wu, lnwu@mail.tca.org.tw
|| [[#tJul 08 15:29:52|Jul 08 15:29]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:30:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway
|| [[#tJul 08 15:30:34|Jul 08 15:30]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:31:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: well I am saying/wondering if those bugs should be fixed in the IMEs solely
|| [[#tJul 08 15:31:07|Jul 08 15:31]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:31:10"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | if they release as GPL or so, then that's cool :)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | if so better not to have the config option if possible IMHO
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|- id="tJul 08 15:31:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: anyway as noted in bz anthy should not default to jp layout
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|- id="tJul 08 15:31:55"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | Kaio, It is free. I asked
|| [[#tJul 08 15:31:55|Jul 08 15:31]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:31:59"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | juhp: is it US101 layout keyboard?
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|- id="tJul 08 15:32:15"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | phuang☺ thx
|| [[#tJul 08 15:32:15|Jul 08 15:32]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:32:38"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, if ibus does not handle it, all ime should handle it by self.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:32:38|Jul 08 15:32]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:32:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: yup
|| [[#tJul 08 15:32:50|Jul 08 15:32]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:33:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: in general ibus can't know when to do layout conversion only IME can know that
|| [[#tJul 08 15:33:24|Jul 08 15:33]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:33:39"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | juhp: did they use 98th keys before windows launched? I see two win keys and menu key there though..
|| [[#tJul 08 15:33:39|Jul 08 15:33]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:33:46"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, I think ime don't know it too
|| [[#tJul 08 15:33:46|Jul 08 15:33]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:33:50"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | just users know it
|| [[#tJul 08 15:33:50|Jul 08 15:33]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:34:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: yeah I am not worrying about the bottom row but anyway :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:34:09|Jul 08 15:34]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:34:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | of course we know US does not have conversion keys
|| [[#tJul 08 15:34:28|Jul 08 15:34]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:34:46"
! style="background-color: #488888" | tagoh3
| style="color: #488888" | hmm
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|- id="tJul 08 15:35:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: so who knows ;-)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:35:00|Jul 08 15:35]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:35:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: seriously the IME has to know
|| [[#tJul 08 15:35:09|Jul 08 15:35]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:35:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm but I see what you mean
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|- id="tJul 08 15:35:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | if you use the "correct" kbd no conversion needed... hmm
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | perhaps I need to think more about it
|| [[#tJul 08 15:36:09|Jul 08 15:36]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:36:12"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: Does our l10n team have a spare  Jpn keyboard?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:36:12|Jul 08 15:36]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:36:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dingyichen: maybe or possibly QE
|| [[#tJul 08 15:36:34|Jul 08 15:36]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:37:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: but I think IME can know, no?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:37:22|Jul 08 15:37]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:37:51"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, how do IME know it? Using IME's configure UI?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:37:51|Jul 08 15:37]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:37:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | if I am using azerty to input chewing - chewing can convert to qwerty no?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:37:58|Jul 08 15:37]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:38:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: that might be way?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:38:09|Jul 08 15:38]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:38:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: or what would break if chewing say always use scan codes for input?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:38:43|Jul 08 15:38]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:38:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | well something may break... ?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:38:59|Jul 08 15:38]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:39:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dingyichen: ?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:39:04|Jul 08 15:39]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:39:30"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, I think there is at least German  keyboard around, maybe I should test with it.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:39:30|Jul 08 15:39]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:39:48"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, currently ibus-chewing force en-us keymap.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:39:48|Jul 08 15:39]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:40:04"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, dingyichen, chewing is OK with keycode
|| [[#tJul 08 15:40:04|Jul 08 15:40]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:40:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dingyichen: ok - so everywhere, right?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:40:05|Jul 08 15:40]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:40:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: so any examples of cases that would not work? :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:40:30|Jul 08 15:40]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:40:37"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, but in chewing, it must convert keycode to keysym too
|| [[#tJul 08 15:40:37|Jul 08 15:40]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:40:43"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: I've test with querty and dvorak, seems work for me,
|| [[#tJul 08 15:40:43|Jul 08 15:40]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:40:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: yep
|| [[#tJul 08 15:40:44|Jul 08 15:40]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:41:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dingyichen: so actually chewing currently ignores the ibus setting?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:41:11|Jul 08 15:41]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:41:36"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, If some cases don't work, I think chewing will not work with xkb too
|| [[#tJul 08 15:41:36|Jul 08 15:41]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:41:37"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: Exactly. :-)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:41:37|Jul 08 15:41]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:41:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: why not?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:41:50|Jul 08 15:41]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:42:22"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | converting in ibus, ime or xkb. they are almost same
|| [[#tJul 08 15:42:22|Jul 08 15:42]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:42:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dingyichen: but english mode should use keysyms I guess
|| [[#tJul 08 15:42:27|Jul 08 15:42]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:42:40"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: right.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:42:40|Jul 08 15:42]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:42:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: I think biggest problem is m17n
|| [[#tJul 08 15:42:56|Jul 08 15:42]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:43:06"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, why?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:43:06|Jul 08 15:43]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:43:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | some maps need qwerty others not
|| [[#tJul 08 15:43:07|Jul 08 15:43]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:43:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so we need some metadata for that or maybe hardcoding in the meantime
|| [[#tJul 08 15:43:22|Jul 08 15:43]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:44:03"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, how do we know which need qwerty or qwertz, or others?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:44:03|Jul 08 15:44]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:44:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: I can't think yet of any cases that need the config in ibus-setup but we'll see I guess
|| [[#tJul 08 15:44:04|Jul 08 15:44]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:44:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: from the map layout whether it is layout based or phonetic :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:44:38|Jul 08 15:44]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:44:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | there is no automatic way of course
|| [[#tJul 08 15:44:50|Jul 08 15:44]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:44:57"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, it is defined in map files?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:44:57|Jul 08 15:44]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:45:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | not yet :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:45:03|Jul 08 15:45]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:45:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: eg Indic inscript maps (the default for Indic) are all layout based
|| [[#tJul 08 15:45:29|Jul 08 15:45]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:45:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | as in assume qwerty in the maps
|| [[#tJul 08 15:45:42|Jul 08 15:45]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:45:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | probably more than qwerty (ie us)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:45:55|Jul 08 15:45]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:46:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | parag is not here...
|| [[#tJul 08 15:46:03|Jul 08 15:46]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:46:21"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | But in the map, it handles the keysym
|| [[#tJul 08 15:46:21|Jul 08 15:46]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:46:26"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | not keycdoe
|| [[#tJul 08 15:46:26|Jul 08 15:46]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:46:32"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | keycode
|| [[#tJul 08 15:46:32|Jul 08 15:46]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:46:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | if everything just works for the user that would be great :-)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:46:37|Jul 08 15:46]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:46:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: indeed
|| [[#tJul 08 15:46:44|Jul 08 15:46]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:46:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | that is the problem
|| [[#tJul 08 15:46:47|Jul 08 15:46]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:46:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so those maps are really "wrong"
|| [[#tJul 08 15:46:59|Jul 08 15:46]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:47:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so another way might be to fix the maps...
|| [[#tJul 08 15:47:12|Jul 08 15:47]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:47:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | or use xkb ;)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:47:16|Jul 08 15:47]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:47:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm
|| [[#tJul 08 15:47:25|Jul 08 15:47]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:47:26"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | no
|| [[#tJul 08 15:47:26|Jul 08 15:47]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:47:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:47:33|Jul 08 15:47]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:47:41"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, we just need define layout in map files
|| [[#tJul 08 15:47:41|Jul 08 15:47]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:47:57"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | And ibus will convert keycode for it
|| [[#tJul 08 15:47:57|Jul 08 15:47]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:48:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but there is the thought we should really use xkb for trivial maps like inscript
|| [[#tJul 08 15:48:36|Jul 08 15:48]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:48:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | and let ibus handle the layout switching
|| [[#tJul 08 15:48:46|Jul 08 15:48]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:49:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | is it too radical?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:49:10|Jul 08 15:49]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:49:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: defining layout + map sounds like an xkb map though :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:49:47|Jul 08 15:49]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:50:02"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | Can it work with all xkb layouts?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:50:02|Jul 08 15:50]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:50:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: I dunno - all is lot :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:50:30|Jul 08 15:50]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:50:49"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, I mean just need define layout=us or layout=jp in maps files
|| [[#tJul 08 15:50:49|Jul 08 15:50]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:50:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | we would probably have to define a subset
|| [[#tJul 08 15:50:51|Jul 08 15:50]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:51:06"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, I think it can not work with kana xkb layout
|| [[#tJul 08 15:51:06|Jul 08 15:51]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:51:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: what about no layout? :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:51:13|Jul 08 15:51]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:51:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so layout would optional?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:51:28|Jul 08 15:51]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:51:30"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | layout="" or layout=xkb
|| [[#tJul 08 15:51:30|Jul 08 15:51]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:51:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#tJul 08 15:51:34|Jul 08 15:51]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:51:38"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | ibus will use system keysym
|| [[#tJul 08 15:51:38|Jul 08 15:51]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:51:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah that makes sense I think
|| [[#tJul 08 15:51:42|Jul 08 15:51]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:51:42"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | not convert for it
|| [[#tJul 08 15:51:42|Jul 08 15:51]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:52:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | it might take time to get it upstream though
|| [[#tJul 08 15:52:05|Jul 08 15:52]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:52:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so we could hardcode it first in fedora perhaps
|| [[#tJul 08 15:52:18|Jul 08 15:52]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:52:22"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | yeah
|| [[#tJul 08 15:52:22|Jul 08 15:52]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:53:01"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | if not define the layout, we don't have good way to resolve this problem
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|- id="tJul 08 15:53:32"
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|| [[#tJul 08 15:53:32|Jul 08 15:53]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:54:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | sure
|| [[#tJul 08 15:54:31|Jul 08 15:54]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:54:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | and after that I am hoping we don't need the global layout config in setup?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:54:55|Jul 08 15:54]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:55:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | just worry a little about synergy and virt and stuff, but hopefully no worse than now?
|| [[#tJul 08 15:55:51|Jul 08 15:55]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:56:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok anyway running out of time....
|| [[#tJul 08 15:56:28|Jul 08 15:56]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:56:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anything else to discuss today? :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:56:36|Jul 08 15:56]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:56:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | from anyone
|| [[#tJul 08 15:56:41|Jul 08 15:56]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:56:48"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: Yes, synergy might post problem.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:56:48|Jul 08 15:56]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:57:16"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | But we might be about to come out with workaround anyway.
|| [[#tJul 08 15:57:16|Jul 08 15:57]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:57:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dingyichen: yeah but don't see any solution to remote kbd problem
|| [[#tJul 08 15:57:22|Jul 08 15:57]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:57:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dingyichen: ok - maybe we can discuss that later :)
|| [[#tJul 08 15:57:37|Jul 08 15:57]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:59:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok let's finish here then
|| [[#tJul 08 15:59:29|Jul 08 15:59]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:59:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks for the meeting!
|| [[#tJul 08 15:59:35|Jul 08 15:59]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:59:39"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp,  btw, currently, i am working on several tasks for ibus (kbd layout for ibus, qt im module, and fix bugs),
|| [[#tJul 08 15:59:39|Jul 08 15:59]]
|- id="tJul 08 15:59:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: aha
|| [[#tJul 08 15:59:47|Jul 08 15:59]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:00:05"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | anyone want to help me?
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|- id="tJul 08 16:00:07"
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|- id="tJul 08 16:00:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: sounds good
|| [[#tJul 08 16:00:10|Jul 08 16:00]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:00:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: any particular bugs we should reassign?
|| [[#tJul 08 16:00:40|Jul 08 16:00]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:01:27"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp,  I planed to assign ibus-qt to an intern. I don't know when the interns can on board.
|| [[#tJul 08 16:01:27|Jul 08 16:01]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:02:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#tJul 08 16:02:31|Jul 08 16:02]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:02:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: I think qt is important for ibus
|| [[#tJul 08 16:02:51|Jul 08 16:02]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:03:00"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | yeah
|| [[#tJul 08 16:03:00|Jul 08 16:03]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:03:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe dingyichen can help with layout stuff
|| [[#tJul 08 16:03:11|Jul 08 16:03]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:03:44"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | dingyichen, do you have time?
|| [[#tJul 08 16:03:44|Jul 08 16:03]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:03:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: or we can go through the buglist together if you like
|| [[#tJul 08 16:03:45|Jul 08 16:03]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:03:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | (or both:)
|| [[#tJul 08 16:03:53|Jul 08 16:03]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:04:13"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: phuang: Agree, I think in brisbane we have some non-US keyboard to test on.
|| [[#tJul 08 16:04:13|Jul 08 16:04]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:04:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I need to work on yum plugin but when that is finished hope to have a little time for ibus too (but may be optimistic this month)
|| [[#tJul 08 16:04:37|Jul 08 16:04]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:04:55"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | dingyichen, juhp, thanks
|| [[#tJul 08 16:04:55|Jul 08 16:04]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:05:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: anyway please feel free to assign bugs to me if you need assistance and I can try to find resources to work on some of them
|| [[#tJul 08 16:05:37|Jul 08 16:05]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:05:43"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: I think we do need someone to take care of ibus-anthy
|| [[#tJul 08 16:05:43|Jul 08 16:05]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:05:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | yep
|| [[#tJul 08 16:05:48|Jul 08 16:05]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:06:04"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dingyichen
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: You are very busy, apparently.
|| [[#tJul 08 16:06:04|Jul 08 16:06]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:06:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hope also kaio and others can lend a hand too
|| [[#tJul 08 16:06:40|Jul 08 16:06]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:06:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | trying to encourage people to take more bugs proactively :)
|| [[#tJul 08 16:06:56|Jul 08 16:06]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:08:04"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, ok
|| [[#tJul 08 16:08:04|Jul 08 16:08]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:08:07"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | sure
|| [[#tJul 08 16:08:07|Jul 08 16:08]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:08:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: we 3 sometimes look at the bug list together on Monday morning
|| [[#tJul 08 16:08:35|Jul 08 16:08]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:08:48"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | cool
|| [[#tJul 08 16:08:48|Jul 08 16:08]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:08:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: let's have a chat about it later anyway
|| [[#tJul 08 16:08:54|Jul 08 16:08]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:09:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: yeah cooler if we actually take some bugs ;)
|| [[#tJul 08 16:09:05|Jul 08 16:09]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:09:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok I will include these comments in the log as "extra time" :)
|| [[#tJul 08 16:09:57|Jul 08 16:09]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:10:39"
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang
| style="color: #854685" | thanks
|| [[#tJul 08 16:10:39|Jul 08 16:10]]
|- id="tJul 08 16:11:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: also good to file bugs for such issues if they are not there so easier to track :)
|| [[#tJul 08 16:11:56|Jul 08 16:11]]
|}


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Revision as of 08:56, 8 July 2009

2009-07-08 0500 UTC on #fedora-i18n at Freenode

Agenda

previous meeting I18N/InputMethods/Meetings/2009-07-01

  • keyboard layouts

I18N/InputMethods/Bugs

Summary

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juhp hello Jul 08 15:03
juhp ping phuang, tagoh3, dingyichen, pravins, et al Jul 08 15:04
dingyichen pong juhp Jul 08 15:04
pravins hi all Jul 08 15:04
phuang hi Jul 08 15:04
juhp hmm did we talk about using #fedora-meeting? for me here is fine but we have the meeting bot there and more visibility ;o) Jul 08 15:04
juhp maybe here is ok but if people we should move that is cool too :) Jul 08 15:05
dingyichen I don't mind either. Jul 08 15:06
pravins same here Jul 08 15:06
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juhp phuang: how are you? :) Jul 08 15:08
phuang juhp, fine. Jul 08 15:08
phuang juhp, Last week, Shao and I participated a conference about Chinese Standards for China Mainland and Taiwan Jul 08 15:08
juhp right Jul 08 15:09
phuang juhp, In the conference, we introduced ibus to people from Mainland and Taiwan. They are interested Jul 08 15:09
juhp cool Jul 08 15:10
phuang juhp, Taiwanese also want to help us to improve ibus for Taiwan users Jul 08 15:10
juhp great! Jul 08 15:10
juhp more IMEs? :) Jul 08 15:10
dingyichen Good to hear that. Jul 08 15:10
phuang juhp, more test for ibus, Jul 08 15:11
juhp ok great Jul 08 15:11
tagoh3 hi Jul 08 15:11
phuang and introduce ibus to more people Jul 08 15:11
juhp aha Jul 08 15:11
juhp nice Jul 08 15:11
phuang They said they are maintaining some tables (like cangjie). Maybe we could use them. Jul 08 15:12
juhp ok Jul 08 15:13
phuang Except it, I also fixed some ibus bugs, and continue developing qt im module Jul 08 15:13
juhp :) Jul 08 15:13
phuang that's all from me Jul 08 15:13
juhp phuang: been thinking a bit more about kbd layouts Jul 08 15:14
juhp I think it needs to be per mode not IME - so maybe IME's should do that not ibus Jul 08 15:15
phuang no Jul 08 15:15
phuang juhp, you mean let IME handle the keycode? Jul 08 15:16
juhp phuang: right Jul 08 15:16
dingyichen The current ibus-1.2 allow IME developers to do that. Jul 08 15:17
juhp phuang: eg chewing apparently does something like that in its English submode Jul 08 15:17
juhp and anthy should only do it for kana input mode Jul 08 15:17
juhp tagoh3: wondering though is kana input usable on non-jp kbd? Jul 08 15:17
juhp (at least by default) Jul 08 15:18
dingyichen juhp: Not yet. ^.^b. Jul 08 15:18
tagoh3 juhp: dunno - I could do because I haven't looked at any printing at the key top :) Jul 08 15:18
juhp dingyichen: thought you showed me some code related to that? Jul 08 15:18
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juhp tagoh3: heh - I mean in terms of missing keys Jul 08 15:19
dingyichen juhp: That's for how to use IBusKeymap. :-) Jul 08 15:19
juhp dingyichen: ah Jul 08 15:19
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juhp dingyichen: but that is what we want no? Jul 08 15:19
juhp for anthy anyway Jul 08 15:19
juhp and for normal chewing mode I guess Jul 08 15:20
juhp but not the English submode.... Jul 08 15:20
tagoh3 juhp: it may depends how much keys are missing except the extra keys. Jul 08 15:20
juhp phuang: so actually IMEs are already doing it maybe? I need to look at anthy Jul 08 15:21
tagoh3 like win, menu keys etc Jul 08 15:21
juhp tagoh3: ok I was more thinking about kana keys like the extra keys on the right side of the kbd Jul 08 15:21
phuang juhp, ibus will send keysym and keycode to engines, engines can handle keysym or keycode byself. Jul 08 15:21
juhp phuang: ok cool Jul 08 15:22
juhp so probably ibus is fine Jul 08 15:22
tagoh3 juhp: symbol keys you mean? true. is it so different among keyboards? Jul 08 15:22
juhp phuang: but I am not sure the ibus-setup config is really necessary? Jul 08 15:22
juhp tagoh3: no - jp106 has more keys than us Jul 08 15:22
juhp 2 more I believe Jul 08 15:23
juhp + the others of course Jul 08 15:23
phuang juhp, it fixes some bugs, 'ibus can not works with no-us' keyboard Jul 08 15:23
juhp tagoh3: next to shift and Enter I think Jul 08 15:23
tagoh3 juhp: hmm, just missing 4 keys, no? Jul 08 15:23
tagoh3 erm, 5 keys Jul 08 15:24
juhp tagoh3: nope Jul 08 15:24
phuang tagoh3, and some keys' position are different Jul 08 15:24
juhp that too Jul 08 15:24
tagoh3 phuang: right Jul 08 15:24
juhp tagoh3: I am talking about punctuation Jul 08 15:24
juhp anyway Jul 08 15:25
tagoh3 different position may be more serious. it's important to kana input Jul 08 15:25
juhp I think kaio said scim-anthy maps "ro" to ` Jul 08 15:25
juhp for example Jul 08 15:25
tagoh3 aha Jul 08 15:26
juhp tagoh3: yep that can be fixed by layout but not missing keys :) Jul 08 15:26
juhp anyway Jul 08 15:27
juhp just wondered... Jul 08 15:27
tagoh3 well, probably Kanji, Mukenkan, Henkan, Katakana_Hiragana keys - interesting which one more key are missing Jul 08 15:27
Kaio phuang☺ could I ask who in the conference said they are maintaining some tables like cangjie? Jul 08 15:27
juhp and guess not many people use kana input without jp kbd anyway... Jul 08 15:27
phuang Kaio, wait Jul 08 15:28
Kaio phuang☺ ok Jul 08 15:28
juhp tagoh3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout - I think US kbd model is missing equivalent to ] and \ on jp kbd fwiw (is what I meant:) Jul 08 15:29
phuang Kaio, I think you could ask Lieh-neng Wu, lnwu@mail.tca.org.tw Jul 08 15:29
juhp anyway Jul 08 15:30
juhp phuang: well I am saying/wondering if those bugs should be fixed in the IMEs solely Jul 08 15:31
Kaio if they release as GPL or so, then that's cool :) Jul 08 15:31
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juhp if so better not to have the config option if possible IMHO Jul 08 15:31
juhp phuang: anyway as noted in bz anthy should not default to jp layout Jul 08 15:31
phuang Kaio, It is free. I asked Jul 08 15:31
tagoh3 juhp: is it US101 layout keyboard? Jul 08 15:31
Kaio phuang☺ thx Jul 08 15:32
phuang juhp, if ibus does not handle it, all ime should handle it by self. Jul 08 15:32
juhp phuang: yup Jul 08 15:32
juhp phuang: in general ibus can't know when to do layout conversion only IME can know that Jul 08 15:33
tagoh3 juhp: did they use 98th keys before windows launched? I see two win keys and menu key there though.. Jul 08 15:33
phuang juhp, I think ime don't know it too Jul 08 15:33
phuang just users know it Jul 08 15:33
juhp tagoh3: yeah I am not worrying about the bottom row but anyway :) Jul 08 15:34
juhp of course we know US does not have conversion keys Jul 08 15:34
tagoh3 hmm Jul 08 15:34
juhp phuang: so who knows ;-) Jul 08 15:35
juhp phuang: seriously the IME has to know Jul 08 15:35
juhp hmm but I see what you mean Jul 08 15:35
juhp if you use the "correct" kbd no conversion needed... hmm Jul 08 15:35
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juhp perhaps I need to think more about it Jul 08 15:36
dingyichen juhp: Does our l10n team have a spare Jpn keyboard? Jul 08 15:36
juhp dingyichen: maybe or possibly QE Jul 08 15:36
juhp phuang: but I think IME can know, no? Jul 08 15:37
phuang juhp, how do IME know it? Using IME's configure UI? Jul 08 15:37
juhp if I am using azerty to input chewing - chewing can convert to qwerty no? Jul 08 15:37
juhp phuang: that might be way? Jul 08 15:38
juhp phuang: or what would break if chewing say always use scan codes for input? Jul 08 15:38
juhp well something may break... ? Jul 08 15:38
juhp dingyichen: ? Jul 08 15:39
dingyichen juhp, I think there is at least German keyboard around, maybe I should test with it. Jul 08 15:39
dingyichen juhp, currently ibus-chewing force en-us keymap. Jul 08 15:39
phuang juhp, dingyichen, chewing is OK with keycode Jul 08 15:40
juhp dingyichen: ok - so everywhere, right? Jul 08 15:40
juhp phuang: so any examples of cases that would not work? :) Jul 08 15:40
phuang juhp, but in chewing, it must convert keycode to keysym too Jul 08 15:40
dingyichen juhp: I've test with querty and dvorak, seems work for me, Jul 08 15:40
juhp phuang: yep Jul 08 15:40
juhp dingyichen: so actually chewing currently ignores the ibus setting? Jul 08 15:41
phuang juhp, If some cases don't work, I think chewing will not work with xkb too Jul 08 15:41
dingyichen juhp: Exactly. :-) Jul 08 15:41
juhp phuang: why not? Jul 08 15:41
phuang converting in ibus, ime or xkb. they are almost same Jul 08 15:42
juhp dingyichen: but english mode should use keysyms I guess Jul 08 15:42
dingyichen juhp: right. Jul 08 15:42
juhp phuang: I think biggest problem is m17n Jul 08 15:42
phuang juhp, why? Jul 08 15:43
juhp some maps need qwerty others not Jul 08 15:43
juhp so we need some metadata for that or maybe hardcoding in the meantime Jul 08 15:43
phuang juhp, how do we know which need qwerty or qwertz, or others? Jul 08 15:44
juhp phuang: I can't think yet of any cases that need the config in ibus-setup but we'll see I guess Jul 08 15:44
juhp phuang: from the map layout whether it is layout based or phonetic :) Jul 08 15:44
juhp there is no automatic way of course Jul 08 15:44
phuang juhp, it is defined in map files? Jul 08 15:44
juhp not yet :) Jul 08 15:45
juhp phuang: eg Indic inscript maps (the default for Indic) are all layout based Jul 08 15:45
juhp as in assume qwerty in the maps Jul 08 15:45
juhp probably more than qwerty (ie us) Jul 08 15:45
juhp parag is not here... Jul 08 15:46
phuang But in the map, it handles the keysym Jul 08 15:46
phuang not keycdoe Jul 08 15:46
phuang keycode Jul 08 15:46
juhp if everything just works for the user that would be great :-) Jul 08 15:46
juhp phuang: indeed Jul 08 15:46
juhp that is the problem Jul 08 15:46
juhp so those maps are really "wrong" Jul 08 15:46
juhp so another way might be to fix the maps... Jul 08 15:47
juhp or use xkb ;) Jul 08 15:47
juhp hmm Jul 08 15:47
phuang no Jul 08 15:47
juhp ? Jul 08 15:47
phuang juhp, we just need define layout in map files Jul 08 15:47
phuang And ibus will convert keycode for it Jul 08 15:47
juhp but there is the thought we should really use xkb for trivial maps like inscript Jul 08 15:48
juhp and let ibus handle the layout switching Jul 08 15:48
juhp is it too radical? Jul 08 15:49
juhp phuang: defining layout + map sounds like an xkb map though :) Jul 08 15:49
phuang Can it work with all xkb layouts? Jul 08 15:50
juhp phuang: I dunno - all is lot :) Jul 08 15:50
phuang juhp, I mean just need define layout=us or layout=jp in maps files Jul 08 15:50
juhp we would probably have to define a subset Jul 08 15:50
phuang juhp, I think it can not work with kana xkb layout Jul 08 15:51
juhp phuang: what about no layout? :) Jul 08 15:51
juhp so layout would optional? Jul 08 15:51
phuang layout="" or layout=xkb Jul 08 15:51
juhp ok Jul 08 15:51
phuang ibus will use system keysym Jul 08 15:51
juhp yeah that makes sense I think Jul 08 15:51
phuang not convert for it Jul 08 15:51
juhp it might take time to get it upstream though Jul 08 15:52
juhp so we could hardcode it first in fedora perhaps Jul 08 15:52
phuang yeah Jul 08 15:52
phuang if not define the layout, we don't have good way to resolve this problem Jul 08 15:53
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juhp sure Jul 08 15:54
juhp and after that I am hoping we don't need the global layout config in setup? Jul 08 15:54
juhp just worry a little about synergy and virt and stuff, but hopefully no worse than now? Jul 08 15:55
juhp ok anyway running out of time.... Jul 08 15:56
juhp anything else to discuss today? :) Jul 08 15:56
juhp from anyone Jul 08 15:56
dingyichen juhp: Yes, synergy might post problem. Jul 08 15:56
dingyichen But we might be about to come out with workaround anyway. Jul 08 15:57
juhp dingyichen: yeah but don't see any solution to remote kbd problem Jul 08 15:57
juhp dingyichen: ok - maybe we can discuss that later :) Jul 08 15:57
juhp ok let's finish here then Jul 08 15:59
juhp thanks for the meeting! Jul 08 15:59
phuang juhp, btw, currently, i am working on several tasks for ibus (kbd layout for ibus, qt im module, and fix bugs), Jul 08 15:59
juhp phuang: aha Jul 08 15:59
phuang anyone want to help me? Jul 08 16:00
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juhp phuang: sounds good Jul 08 16:00
juhp phuang: any particular bugs we should reassign? Jul 08 16:00
phuang juhp, I planed to assign ibus-qt to an intern. I don't know when the interns can on board. Jul 08 16:01
juhp ok Jul 08 16:02
juhp phuang: I think qt is important for ibus Jul 08 16:02
phuang yeah Jul 08 16:03
juhp maybe dingyichen can help with layout stuff Jul 08 16:03
phuang dingyichen, do you have time? Jul 08 16:03
juhp phuang: or we can go through the buglist together if you like Jul 08 16:03
juhp (or both:) Jul 08 16:03
dingyichen juhp: phuang: Agree, I think in brisbane we have some non-US keyboard to test on. Jul 08 16:04
juhp I need to work on yum plugin but when that is finished hope to have a little time for ibus too (but may be optimistic this month) Jul 08 16:04
phuang dingyichen, juhp, thanks Jul 08 16:04
juhp phuang: anyway please feel free to assign bugs to me if you need assistance and I can try to find resources to work on some of them Jul 08 16:05
dingyichen juhp: I think we do need someone to take care of ibus-anthy Jul 08 16:05
juhp yep Jul 08 16:05
dingyichen juhp: You are very busy, apparently. Jul 08 16:06
juhp hope also kaio and others can lend a hand too Jul 08 16:06
juhp trying to encourage people to take more bugs proactively :) Jul 08 16:06
phuang juhp, ok Jul 08 16:08
Kaio sure Jul 08 16:08
juhp phuang: we 3 sometimes look at the bug list together on Monday morning Jul 08 16:08
phuang cool Jul 08 16:08
juhp phuang: let's have a chat about it later anyway Jul 08 16:08
juhp phuang: yeah cooler if we actually take some bugs ;) Jul 08 16:09
juhp ok I will include these comments in the log as "extra time" :) Jul 08 16:09
phuang thanks Jul 08 16:10
juhp phuang: also good to file bugs for such issues if they are not there so easier to track :) Jul 08 16:11

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