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* [dpravec] - investigate creating fedora-test-announce mailing list for Test Days, other test events, schedule updates | |||
* [jlaska] - talk with Liam about how we can make the current install test plan more attainable/achievable in the given time frames | |||
* [jlaska] - cleanup remaining test cases for dracut and send announcement | |||
* [jlaska] - discuss bandwith implications of hosting nightly rawhide live images with fedora-infrastructure | |||
* [Oxf13] - will do a build of the new autotest version for testing. | |||
* [jlaska + wwoods] to test latest autotest build | |||
* '''UNASSIGNED''' | |||
* include a xorg-x11-drv matrix in F-12-Beta test matrix for nouveau, intel and radeon | |||
= IRC transcript = | |||
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|- id="tAug 24 11:59:49" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 11:59:49|Aug 24 11:59]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 11:59:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | | Meeting started Mon Aug 24 15:59:50 2009 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 11:59:50|Aug 24 11:59]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 11:59:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 11:59:50|Aug 24 11:59]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 11:59:50" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 11:59:50|Aug 24 11:59]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:00:00" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #topic gathering people | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:00:00|Aug 24 12:00]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:00:01" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: gathering people (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:00:01|Aug 24 12:00]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:00:09" | |||
| colspan="2" | * | kparal is here | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:00:09|Aug 24 12:00]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:00:25" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | howdy folks ... a few minutes for everyone to join ... and we'll kick things off | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:00:25|Aug 24 12:00]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:00:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | howdy doodly | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:00:30|Aug 24 12:00]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:01:50" | |||
| colspan="2" | * | tk009 stands-to | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:01:50|Aug 24 12:01]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:02:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | lmr_ | |||
| style="color: #854685" | | jlaska: I am here too :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:02:05|Aug 24 12:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:02:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | lmr_: howdy! | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:02:22|Aug 24 12:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:02:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | kparal: nanonyme: tkjacobsen: adamw: hey hey :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:02:38|Aug 24 12:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:02:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | s/tkjacobsen/tk009/ | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:02:44|Aug 24 12:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:02:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | foiled by tab complete again | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:02:53|Aug 24 12:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:03:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | nanonyme | |||
| style="color: #488888" | | Hey and thanks for inviting. Sounded interesting. :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:03:19|Aug 24 12:03]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:03:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | thanks for joining ... new ideas always welcome | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:03:38|Aug 24 12:03]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:04:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | I suspect wwoods and dpravec lurking in the shadows | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:04:21|Aug 24 12:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:04:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | wwoods might still be bear-proofing the cube | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:04:43|Aug 24 12:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:05:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | do we have Viking-Ice around as well? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:05:09|Aug 24 12:05]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:05:14" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | yes i am here | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:05:14|Aug 24 12:05]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:05:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | dpravec: hey there! | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:05:19|Aug 24 12:05]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:05:24" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:05:24|Aug 24 12:05]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:06:10" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | okay ... let's get moving and hopefully folks will join in soon | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:06:10|Aug 24 12:06]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:06:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | I don't have a lot on the agenda today ... mainly just recap on the Alpha, a slot fo autoqa updates, and some test day talk | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:06:51|Aug 24 12:06]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:06:54" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | see agenda @ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-August/msg00608.html | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:06:54|Aug 24 12:06]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:06:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:06:59|Aug 24 12:06]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:07:00" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Previous meeting follow-up (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:07:00|Aug 24 12:07]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:07:20" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | the only action item I captured was for me to sync up w/ Viking-Ice on the dracut testing | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:07:20|Aug 24 12:07]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:07:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | and I failed there :( | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:07:27|Aug 24 12:07]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:07:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | I'm building on the page I believe Viking-Ice drafted with guidance from harald | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:07:46|Aug 24 12:07]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:07:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | we can talk more about that in the test day section though | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:07:53|Aug 24 12:07]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:08:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | any other follow-up items from last week that were not covered? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:08:05|Aug 24 12:08]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:08:34" | |||
| colspan="2" | * | Oxf13 | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:08:34|Aug 24 12:08]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:08:36" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | I'm here | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:08:36|Aug 24 12:08]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:08:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | just got online here at the *$ | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:08:38|Aug 24 12:08]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:08:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: howdy! | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:08:43|Aug 24 12:08]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:09:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | okay ... hearing silence on previous meeting ... let's move into agenda | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:09:06|Aug 24 12:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:09:11" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | tibbs_ is now known as tibbs | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:09:11|Aug 24 12:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:09:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #topic F-12 post-alpha recap | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:09:27|Aug 24 12:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:09:28" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: F-12 post-alpha recap (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:09:28|Aug 24 12:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:09:37" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | so hopefully not getting ahead of myself by calling it post-alpha recap | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:09:37|Aug 24 12:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:09:57" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | it would take an act of god to prevent us from releasing on Tuesday | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:09:57|Aug 24 12:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:10:00" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | but wanted to spend a few minutes on a mini post-mortem for the Alpha | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:10:00|Aug 24 12:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:10:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: yes, hopefully they stay up in their mountains | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:10:12|Aug 24 12:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:10:25" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | so ... let's start out with things that worked well | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:10:25|Aug 24 12:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:10:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | anyone want to volunteer? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:10:33|Aug 24 12:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:10:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | there was a ton more communication between releng and QA | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:10:50|Aug 24 12:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:10:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | which was a great thing | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:10:55|Aug 24 12:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:11:35" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: yeah, I found it really helpful to hop onto those releng tickets that impacted us | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:11:35|Aug 24 12:11]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:12:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | that's good, so that we get more value out of the tickets themselves. Filing them is a bit of a pain | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:12:06|Aug 24 12:12]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:12:32" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: Liam's working out an issue with not getting email updates when he was on the ticket | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:12:32|Aug 24 12:12]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:12:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | interesting! | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:12:42|Aug 24 12:12]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:12:49" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: but ideally, if we work out of the tickets, he can initiate test results as soon as bits are in hand | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:12:49|Aug 24 12:12]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:12:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | it was his FAS name on the ticket? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:12:50|Aug 24 12:12]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:13:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | nod, I'll have to be better about touching the tickets as work progresses. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:13:08|Aug 24 12:13]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:13:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | last couple releases the work all ahappened, and then the tickets got mass closed after the fact | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:13:22|Aug 24 12:13]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:13:34" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: no worries, I think we policed ourselves on it for the alpha ... as long as you don't mind ... I'd like to keep doing that | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:13:34|Aug 24 12:13]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:14:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | another thing I felt worked well was the alpha blocker bug meetings | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:14:13|Aug 24 12:14]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:14:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | i think the main area for improvement that presented itself is not in our processes but just the anaconda-sync-with-releases thing | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:14:21|Aug 24 12:14]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:14:24" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | yeah, those were great | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:14:24|Aug 24 12:14]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:14:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | as was the more detailed schedule | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:14:28|Aug 24 12:14]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:14:32" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | i think most of our processes went off pretty well to be honest | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:14:32|Aug 24 12:14]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:14:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | adamw: thanks for bringing that up ... we discussed that briefly during one of the blocker meetings | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:14:44|Aug 24 12:14]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:15:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | how do folks feel about the current scheduling of blocker meetings | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:15:04|Aug 24 12:15]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:15:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | yeah, we need to move it forward in some other venue but i haven't got enough round tuits yet :/ | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:15:06|Aug 24 12:15]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:15:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | leading up to, during and after milestones | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:15:15|Aug 24 12:15]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:15:45" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | the only thing i wonder about the scheduling is whether friday's the best day, since it means any problems we find may not be addressed for two or three days | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:15:45|Aug 24 12:15]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:15:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | though we're pretty overloaded on other days of the week | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:15:55|Aug 24 12:15]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:16:14" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | doing it on Friday means that those outside of US times get a jump start on work needed the next week | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:16:14|Aug 24 12:16]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:16:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | adamw: yeah I think that was the initial concern (if I could speak for poelcat) ... collissions with other events | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:16:17|Aug 24 12:16]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:16:24" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | Oxf13: true | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:16:24|Aug 24 12:16]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:16:24" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: that's true too | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:16:24|Aug 24 12:16]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:16:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: speaking of, I requested that poelcat add another blocker bug date to the Beta | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:16:46|Aug 24 12:16]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:16:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | it would be right after we do some pre-TC testing | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:16:55|Aug 24 12:16]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:16:57" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | ok | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:16:57|Aug 24 12:16]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:17:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | sounds reasonable | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:17:02|Aug 24 12:17]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:17:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | cool | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:17:11|Aug 24 12:17]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:17:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | = okay ... things that could be improved = | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:17:22|Aug 24 12:17]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:17:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | * the test plan needs to be more agile | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:17:29|Aug 24 12:17]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:17:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | * current planned testing is only focused on installation | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:17:52|Aug 24 12:17]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:18:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | I don't get the warm feelings about other areas of the distro ... are there things we can be doing there | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:18:09|Aug 24 12:18]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:18:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | or do we feel the fedora-{devel,test}-list reports are sufficient? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:18:23|Aug 24 12:18]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:18:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | thinking only in an alpha context, the other major areas are networking and the yum/rpm stack, and xorg | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:18:44|Aug 24 12:18]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:18:54" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | i think casual reports are likely to cover any major problems in networking and yum/rpm | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:18:54|Aug 24 12:18]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:19:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | it's the kind of thing it's quite hard to miss if it's broken | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:19:05|Aug 24 12:19]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:19:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | true, there is a lot of value in having *many* eyes looking at this stuff | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:19:31|Aug 24 12:19]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:19:41" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | xorg is tricky like anaconda as it's quite hardware dependent, but it might be nice to have a basic setup for testing at least if intel, nouveau and radeon aren't entirely broken | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:19:41|Aug 24 12:19]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:19:49" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | I think we tend to focus on installer, because unlike the rest of the OS which has to be "testable", installer has to work in order to test other things | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:19:49|Aug 24 12:19]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:20:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | so we provide the installer testing to make sure it can get installed, then rely upon users to cover the rest of the os as the Alpha is released | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:20:06|Aug 24 12:20]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:20:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | and yeah, i agree with oxf13, the installer is easily the _most_ critical bit, because you're not going to be able to workaround it at all if it's broken | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:20:12|Aug 24 12:20]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:20:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | with X you can at _least_ fall back on vesa or something | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:20:21|Aug 24 12:20]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:20:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | yeah ... all good points | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:20:46|Aug 24 12:20]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:20:58" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | testing the installer does touch on a quite a bit of these other areas too | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:20:58|Aug 24 12:20]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:21:10" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | but with that caveat, if we have the hardware (i can cover nvidia and possibly radeon at a push) we could have a little xorg table in there | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:21:10|Aug 24 12:21]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:21:32" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | nod | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:21:32|Aug 24 12:21]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:21:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | I'm open to trying it for the Beta ... if it doesn't work ... no harm done | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:21:38|Aug 24 12:21]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:21:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | little xorg table in where? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:21:52|Aug 24 12:21]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:22:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | well something like the install text matrix | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:22:04|Aug 24 12:22]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:22:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | whether it goes on the same page or not i dunno | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:22:16|Aug 24 12:22]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:22:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | ensuring basic functionality of intel/nouveau/radeon is supposed to be part of the rawhide acceptance plan | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:22:18|Aug 24 12:22]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:22:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:X_basic_display_test_case | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:22:38|Aug 24 12:22]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:22:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | we don't have tables for it though do we? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:22:42|Aug 24 12:22]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:22:49" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | well, so is testing the installer works, but we have a table and manual testing for that too :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:22:49|Aug 24 12:22]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:23:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | so possibly the test matrix just lacks boxes for the test cases from the rawhide test plan | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:23:02|Aug 24 12:23]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:23:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | wwoods: oh that's right | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:23:06|Aug 24 12:23]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:23:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | Oxf13: the idea being that we write one :) it could just be 3x1, heh | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:23:11|Aug 24 12:23]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:23:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | wwoods: the current matrix is specifically labelled an _install_ test matrix iirc | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:23:33|Aug 24 12:23]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:23:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | and also https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_Plan#Basic_Functionality | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:23:46|Aug 24 12:23]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:23:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | adamw: for installer ... we have a few tests to confirm that if something does break ... the methods of recovery function (updates= and rescue-mode) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:23:48|Aug 24 12:23]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:23:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | right but the install test plan is predicated on QA accepting the bits for testing at all | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:23:59|Aug 24 12:23]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:24:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | adamw: is that worth noting for Xorg too (re: vesa, nomodeset) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:24:03|Aug 24 12:24]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:24:14" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | which is what the acceptance test plan is supposed to decide | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:24:14|Aug 24 12:24]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:24:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | anyway without getting too deep into the meanings of Acceptance Testing and other overly-formal QA junk | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:24:46|Aug 24 12:24]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:25:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | the stuff from the rawhide acceptance test plan needs to be considered part of (or a prerequisite to) the installer plan | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:25:12|Aug 24 12:25]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:25:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | wwoods: good point | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:25:29|Aug 24 12:25]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:25:39" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | and thus needs a test result matrix of its own (or spaces in the installer matrix) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:25:39|Aug 24 12:25]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:26:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | doing it that way is fine by me | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:26:01|Aug 24 12:26]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:26:10" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | and actually the israwhidebroken.com plan involves having a place for manual test results for that specific test | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:26:10|Aug 24 12:26]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:26:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | but yeah, the installer plan needs to have a note that says "see also these results over here"... once we're properly collecting those results. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:26:40|Aug 24 12:26]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:26:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | wwoods: that's something to consider ... if we don't have that bit in place yet ... perhaps having some stop-gap on the wiki for the beta would be acceptable? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:26:52|Aug 24 12:26]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:27:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_12_Test_Results | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:27:05|Aug 24 12:27]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:27:14" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | anchored under ^^^ or a sub-category of that | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:27:14|Aug 24 12:27]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:27:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | okay ... any other points to note about the Alpha | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:27:23|Aug 24 12:27]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:27:26" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Good/bad/ugly? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:27:26|Aug 24 12:27]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:28:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #action jlaska to talk with Liam about how we can make the current install test plan more attainable | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:28:40|Aug 24 12:28]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:28:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | any other items to capture on this topic? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:28:48|Aug 24 12:28]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:29:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | nothing from me | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:29:43|Aug 24 12:29]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:29:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #action include a xorg-x11-drv matrix in F-12-Beta test matrix for nouveau, intel and radeon | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:29:46|Aug 24 12:29]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:30:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #topic autoqa update from wwoods | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:30:06|Aug 24 12:30]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:30:06" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: autoqa update from wwoods (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:30:06|Aug 24 12:30]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:30:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | alrighty ... wwoods I've got the always present slot in the meeting for any updates or help needed on the autoqa front | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:30:29|Aug 24 12:30]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:30:54" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | okay so.. the autoqa stuff is still happening automatically. whee! | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:30:54|Aug 24 12:30]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:31:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | yeah, holy emails batman! :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:31:03|Aug 24 12:31]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:31:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | I fixed up the conflicts test - it was doing Obsoletes and Conflicts wrong, and taking 5 hours to run | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:31:12|Aug 24 12:31]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:31:41" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | cleaned up the email subjects too, so it's a lot easier to figure out the results | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:31:41|Aug 24 12:31]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:31:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | e.g. "repoclosure: 34 packages with unresolved deps in rawhide-x86_64" | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:31:51|Aug 24 12:31]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:32:00" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | wwoods: that conflicts change seems to have done the trick | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:32:00|Aug 24 12:32]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:32:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | yeah that's good stuff | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:32:16|Aug 24 12:32]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:32:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | next we need somebody to start consuming that info (: | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:32:30|Aug 24 12:32]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:32:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | the rats_* tests were broken over the weekend but I've (mostly) fixed them | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:32:31|Aug 24 12:32]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:32:41" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | but we're getting there | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:32:41|Aug 24 12:32]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:32:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | rats_install seems to take a lot longer than it should | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:32:44|Aug 24 12:32]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:33:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | and rats_sanity mysteriously does not work on i386 rawhide | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:33:02|Aug 24 12:33]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:33:10" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | wwoods: I'm waiting on a PXE change for that new kms SDV workstation ... will add it to autotest once I hear back | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:33:10|Aug 24 12:33]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:33:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | might be a yum bug, I need to talk to skvidal | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:33:15|Aug 24 12:33]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:33:28" | |||
| colspan="2" | * | skvidal looks up | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:33:28|Aug 24 12:33]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:33:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | anyway, I rewrote the option-parsing code in the autoqa harness to be more sane (i.e. not hardcoding hook-specific code in the main harness) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:33:56|Aug 24 12:33]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:34:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | merged the autotest branch into master | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:34:04|Aug 24 12:34]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:34:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | and this week I'll mostly be documenting how to write new tests and implement new hooks | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:34:18|Aug 24 12:34]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:34:30" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | onekopaka_away is now known as onekopaka | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:34:30|Aug 24 12:34]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:34:39" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | and trying to figure out how we can get other automated systems to consume the test results | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:34:39|Aug 24 12:34]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:34:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | wwoods: a new autotest was released upstream, and I think it includes support for django 1 | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:34:43|Aug 24 12:34]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:34:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | when would be a good time to update to the new version and throw it at you? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:34:55|Aug 24 12:34]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:35:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | Oh nice - is that what we have in Fedora, then? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:35:01|Aug 24 12:35]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:35:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | jlaska: do we have a spare system / capacity for a virt guest to try that out on? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:35:22|Aug 24 12:35]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:35:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | wwoods: we could do a spare guest | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:35:31|Aug 24 12:35]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:35:39" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | we don't have the new autotest anywhere | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:35:39|Aug 24 12:35]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:35:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | i can test it | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:35:40|Aug 24 12:35]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:35:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: might be a good time to check back in on the packaging | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:35:42|Aug 24 12:35]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:35:45" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | but django 1 is what we have in Fedora | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:35:45|Aug 24 12:35]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:35:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: once we're good on the packaging, I'm going to setup qa1 | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:35:51|Aug 24 12:35]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:35:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | ok | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:35:56|Aug 24 12:35]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:35:58" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | 1.1 is imho actual django release | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:35:58|Aug 24 12:35]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:36:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: last we left it ... the packaging was fairly solid | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:36:06|Aug 24 12:36]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:36:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | jlaska: indeed, I think it got reviewed and approved | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:36:29|Aug 24 12:36]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:36:49" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | awesome, thanks for pushing on that front | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:36:49|Aug 24 12:36]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:36:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | or would be as soon as we figure out the stupid google web toolkit crap | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:36:50|Aug 24 12:36]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:37:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | Oxf13: so, please package it rather soon | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:37:21|Aug 24 12:37]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:37:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | dpravec: I can't until gwt is figured out | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:37:40|Aug 24 12:37]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:37:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: this is for Fedora you mean? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:37:51|Aug 24 12:37]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:37:57" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | right, for Fedora | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:37:57|Aug 24 12:37]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:38:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | and not just the fedora-infra repor | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:38:01|Aug 24 12:38]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:38:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | I can do a new build of the new version | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:38:03|Aug 24 12:38]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:38:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | and get it into the infra | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:38:12|Aug 24 12:38]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:38:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | worth a shot ... and wwoods and I will test that out | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:38:15|Aug 24 12:38]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:38:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | nod | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:38:21|Aug 24 12:38]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:38:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | i can test too | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:38:23|Aug 24 12:38]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:38:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | I'll put that on this week's to do list | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:38:27|Aug 24 12:38]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:38:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #action f13 updated autotest-0.11 build | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:38:46|Aug 24 12:38]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:38:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | #action Oxf13 will do a build of the new autotest version for testing. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:38:48|Aug 24 12:38]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:38:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | so, a question: aren't we now at the point where we could actually create the much-vaunted israwhidebroken.com ? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:38:59|Aug 24 12:38]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:39:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #action jlaska + wwoods to test latest autotest build | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:39:04|Aug 24 12:39]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:39:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | adamw: soon, soon :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:39:17|Aug 24 12:39]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:39:35" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | wwoods: is that on your schedule? it seems like the necessary tests for it to happen are now in place and running | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:39:35|Aug 24 12:39]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:39:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | (which is awesome) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:39:46|Aug 24 12:39]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:40:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | adamw: close. we need a way to pull/push data from autotest to fill in the boxes for the automated parts | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:40:23|Aug 24 12:40]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:40:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | i see | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:40:31|Aug 24 12:40]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:40:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | and then we need an (authenticated) way for qa team people to fill in the boxes for unautomated bits (e.g. Xorg) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:40:52|Aug 24 12:40]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:41:49" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | i think we could start doing the page even without that bit and add it on later | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:41:49|Aug 24 12:41]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:41:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | so as I said earlier, the two big items I have for this week are to look into that (pulling/pushing data from autotest for e.g. israwhidebroken.com) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:41:51|Aug 24 12:41]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:42:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | just whether the automated tests pass or not on a given day is useful enough in its own right | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:42:02|Aug 24 12:42]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:42:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | yes | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:42:17|Aug 24 12:42]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:42:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | and writing docs so petr / dpravec / et. al. can get their hands dirty designing new tests/hooks, like Fedora TPS and such | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:42:19|Aug 24 12:42]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:42:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | gotcha | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:42:29|Aug 24 12:42]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:42:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | whole lotta bootstrapin' going on | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:42:42|Aug 24 12:42]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:42:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | we already have daily automated results on the autoqa-results list | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:42:42|Aug 24 12:42]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:43:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | that's the stopgap until the other bits get glued together | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:43:05|Aug 24 12:43]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:43:47" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | brb, call of nature - i do have an open floor topic so don't stop without me :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:43:47|Aug 24 12:43]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:43:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | wwoods: awesome work, thanks for the updates! | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:43:52|Aug 24 12:43]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:43:54" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | adamw: okay | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:43:54|Aug 24 12:43]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:44:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | wwoods: any other points ... or should we move on? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:44:05|Aug 24 12:44]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:44:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | jlaska: thanks, and no problem | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:44:05|Aug 24 12:44]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:44:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | alrighty ... moving on to next topic ... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:44:50|Aug 24 12:44]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:45:07" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #topic Test Day updates - fedora-test-announce? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:45:07|Aug 24 12:45]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:45:07" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Test Day updates - fedora-test-announce? (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:45:07|Aug 24 12:45]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:45:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | dpravec you mentioned this the week prior, but I neglected to add it to the agenda | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:45:28|Aug 24 12:45]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:46:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | i heard people telling me that they would love to participate some test days | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:46:06|Aug 24 12:46]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:46:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | but they do not read many maillists | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:46:15|Aug 24 12:46]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:46:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | for example one said he reads only fedora-announce | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:46:30|Aug 24 12:46]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:46:34" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | and others only ocassionally | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:46:34|Aug 24 12:46]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:46:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | i do announce them also on fedora planet and the forums | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:46:42|Aug 24 12:46]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:46:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | they're really not important enough to go to fedora-announce | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:46:51|Aug 24 12:46]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:46:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | and we cannot announce tests on fedora-announce | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:46:52|Aug 24 12:46]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:46:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | btw ... this is a topic that comes up a lot ... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:46:55|Aug 24 12:46]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:46:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Test_Day_Survey#Advertising | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:46:56|Aug 24 12:46]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:47:00" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | so it makes sense to make list fedora-test-announce | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:47:00|Aug 24 12:47]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:47:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | for people who would like to test some things | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:47:08|Aug 24 12:47]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:47:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | ones with a wider interest we sometimes promote to news sites, but we can't do that for ones which are really of interest specifically to fedora | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:47:16|Aug 24 12:47]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:47:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | and who do not want to miss fav app test day | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:47:19|Aug 24 12:47]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:47:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | but who do not want much traffic | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:47:28|Aug 24 12:47]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:47:58" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | so i think we should create and use maillist fedora-test-announce | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:47:58|Aug 24 12:47]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:48:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | which will be used only for announcing test days | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:48:06|Aug 24 12:48]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:48:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | not a bad idea... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:48:21|Aug 24 12:48]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:48:26" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | well, we could announce other things there too | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:48:26|Aug 24 12:48]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:48:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | Would it make sense to just re-use fedora-devel-announce ? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:48:29|Aug 24 12:48]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:48:35" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | yes, just low traffic one | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:48:35|Aug 24 12:48]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:48:37" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | test composes, alpha slips | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:48:37|Aug 24 12:48]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:48:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | I'm never really in favor of more mailing lists | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:48:38|Aug 24 12:48]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:48:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | Oxf13: i think there might be value in a separate list | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:48:46|Aug 24 12:48]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:48:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | fedora-devel-announce is for developers | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:48:50|Aug 24 12:48]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:48:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: it was requested I stop posting test days to fedora-devel-announce during F11 | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:48:52|Aug 24 12:48]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:48:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | tk009 | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | | agree with 0xf13 | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:48:52|Aug 24 12:48]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:48:54" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | test could be for endusers | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:48:54|Aug 24 12:48]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:49:14" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | *shrug* | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:49:14|Aug 24 12:49]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:49:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: yeah :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:49:21|Aug 24 12:49]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:49:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | just make sure to do the same thing and subscribe fedora-test-list to fedora-test-announce | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:49:28|Aug 24 12:49]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:49:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | so that those of us on the rather quiet fedora-test-list can still get the announcements. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:49:44|Aug 24 12:49]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:49:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: ah good point | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:49:50|Aug 24 12:49]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:50:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | fedoraproject.org has it's own mailman now right? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:50:06|Aug 24 12:50]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:50:14" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | yeah | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:50:14|Aug 24 12:50]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:50:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | lists.fedoraproject.org | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:50:18|Aug 24 12:50]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:50:36" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | dpravec: do you want to handle creating the list or looking for someone else to grab that? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:50:36|Aug 24 12:50]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:50:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | hmm can i create it? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:50:51|Aug 24 12:50]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:51:10" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | I think you can request one ... https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:51:10|Aug 24 12:51]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:51:14" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | i think i am not an admin of the mailman | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:51:14|Aug 24 12:51]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:51:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | ok | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:51:23|Aug 24 12:51]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:51:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | you can file the ticket to get a new one (: | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:51:27|Aug 24 12:51]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:51:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | i will do it | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:51:27|Aug 24 12:51]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:51:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: ah thanks | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:51:33|Aug 24 12:51]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:51:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | ticket? where? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:51:44|Aug 24 12:51]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:51:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | dpravec: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:51:56|Aug 24 12:51]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:52:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | perhaps try there? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:52:01|Aug 24 12:52]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:52:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | ok | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:52:02|Aug 24 12:52]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:52:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | dpravec: nice suggestion, thank you! | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:52:18|Aug 24 12:52]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:52:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #action dpravec to investigate creating fedora-test-announce mailing list for Test Days, other test events, schedule updates | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:52:42|Aug 24 12:52]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:52:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | okay next up ... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:52:56|Aug 24 12:52]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:53:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #topic Test Day updates - fit'n'finish printing | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:53:05|Aug 24 12:53]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:53:06" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Test Day updates - fit'n'finish printing (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:53:06|Aug 24 12:53]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:53:24" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | just real quick here ... I didn't see how this event went | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:53:24|Aug 24 12:53]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:53:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | has anyone had a chance to chat w/ mclasen? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:53:40|Aug 24 12:53]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:53:49" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | not about this | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:53:49|Aug 24 12:53]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:54:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | me either, but i was around for some of the day, seemed to be going well | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:54:22|Aug 24 12:54]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:54:35" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | mostly 'internal' - the fnf guys and the printing guys - but a few other testers did drop by | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:54:35|Aug 24 12:54]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:54:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | adamw: okay ... I'm hoping the format is still working to his benefit | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:54:43|Aug 24 12:54]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:55:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #topic Test Day updates - ABRT | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:55:15|Aug 24 12:55]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:55:16" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Test Day updates - ABRT (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:55:16|Aug 24 12:55]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:55:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | another recap from last week | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:55:31|Aug 24 12:55]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:55:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | thanks dpravec and kparal for your efforts! | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:55:42|Aug 24 12:55]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:55:45" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-August/msg00609.html | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:55:45|Aug 24 12:55]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:56:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | it was a pleasure. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:56:19|Aug 24 12:56]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:56:25" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | jmoskovc was quite pleased with the feedback this time | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:56:25|Aug 24 12:56]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:56:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | you are welcome :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:56:28|Aug 24 12:56]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:56:47" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | okay ... now for this weeks event ... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:56:47|Aug 24 12:56]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:56:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | good job on the post-report email too | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:56:51|Aug 24 12:56]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:56:58" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | er, post-event email report :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:56:58|Aug 24 12:56]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:56:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | +1 | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:56:59|Aug 24 12:56]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:57:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | ty adamw... btw your script worked | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:57:04|Aug 24 12:57]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:57:10" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | but maybe , if i can | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:57:10|Aug 24 12:57]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:57:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #topic Test Day updates - 2009-08-27 Dracut | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:57:17|Aug 24 12:57]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:57:18" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Test Day updates - 2009-08-27 Dracut (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:57:18|Aug 24 12:57]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:57:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | don't dignify it with the name 'script' =) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:57:18|Aug 24 12:57]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:57:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | dpravec: adamw is l33t | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:57:31|Aug 24 12:57]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:57:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | uff, so later in open arena | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:57:42|Aug 24 12:57]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:57:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | you could turn it into one quite easily, so you could feed it a date and it'd grab the page without you having to bother | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:57:52|Aug 24 12:57]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:57:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | i'm just too lazy to do it | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:57:55|Aug 24 12:57]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:58:10" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | jlaska: i can has script too | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:58:10|Aug 24 12:58]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:58:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | just a quick update on the dracut test day ... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:58:40|Aug 24 12:58]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:58:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-08-27#Test | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:58:42|Aug 24 12:58]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:59:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | the 3 core test cases are already defined ... and I'm trying to organize the remaining data points harald wants feedback on around those | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:59:05|Aug 24 12:59]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:59:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | e.g. the different root= scenarios | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:59:11|Aug 24 12:59]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:59:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | hopefully will have a fair bit of that done this afternoon and ready for announce | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:59:23|Aug 24 12:59]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 12:59:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | if anyone has ideas or suggestions for improvement ... feel free to ping me after the meeting | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 12:59:53|Aug 24 12:59]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:00:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | the big thing is that harald just wants people to show up and either boot their F-11 systems using dracut ... or boot the live image ... and report back | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:00:27|Aug 24 13:00]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:00:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #action jlaska will cleanup remaining test cases for dracut and send announcement | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:00:48|Aug 24 13:00]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:01:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | okay ... let's move on to open discussion ... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:01:02|Aug 24 13:01]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:01:14" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #topic open discussion - <your topic here> | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:01:14|Aug 24 13:01]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:01:15" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: open discussion - <your topic here> (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:01:15|Aug 24 13:01]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:01:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | alright, quickly: | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:01:19|Aug 24 13:01]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:01:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | adamw: go for it | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:01:23|Aug 24 13:01]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:01:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | #topic nightly live builds | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:01:27|Aug 24 13:01]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:01:35" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | grr, i have no power! you do it :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:01:35|Aug 24 13:01]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:01:36" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #chair adamw | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:01:36|Aug 24 13:01]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:01:36" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | | Current chairs: adamw jlaska | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:01:36|Aug 24 13:01]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:01:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | #topic open discussion - nightly live builds | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:01:43|Aug 24 13:01]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:01:43" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: open discussion - nightly live builds (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:01:43|Aug 24 13:01]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:02:00" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | i think the nightly live builds are awesome and need to be widely heralded | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:02:00|Aug 24 13:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:02:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | excellent point | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:02:06|Aug 24 13:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:02:10" | |||
| colspan="2" | * | nirik looks up. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:02:10|Aug 24 13:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:02:18" | |||
| colspan="2" | * | jlaska prepares the trumpet | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:02:18|Aug 24 13:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:02:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | so i added a chunk to the rawhide wiki page about them - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide#Nightly_live_builds - and am going to try and spread the news to some news sites | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:02:23|Aug 24 13:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:02:26" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | nirik: you rock! | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:02:26|Aug 24 13:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:02:37" | |||
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #9b519b" | | yeah, I haven't had time to do anything there. If someone wants to advertise, please feel free. ;) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:02:37|Aug 24 13:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:02:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | what would be great is if others could spread the word too | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:02:44|Aug 24 13:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:02:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | if you blog, blog about it (you can just link to my blog post which will go up soon, or the wiki page, or whatever) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:02:56|Aug 24 13:02]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:03:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | tweetie-pie it | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:03:02|Aug 24 13:03]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:03:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | please be aware | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:03:04|Aug 24 13:03]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:03:07" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | mention it on appropriate mailing lists or whatever | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:03:07|Aug 24 13:03]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:03:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | the more people you point at th enightly builds, the less people are going to be able to download them | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:03:13|Aug 24 13:03]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:03:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | just want to make sure we have the word out about it | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:03:16|Aug 24 13:03]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:03:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | | how is it possible that it has x86_64 build when there is no x86_64 packages in rawhide repositories available in the last few days? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:03:19|Aug 24 13:03]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:03:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | they are not mirrored, so this is a single point of resources | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:03:22|Aug 24 13:03]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:03:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | Oxf13: if we start hitting capacity problems, we can try and provide more download resources | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:03:28|Aug 24 13:03]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:03:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | kparal: pardon? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:03:30|Aug 24 13:03]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:03:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | adamw: that box is almost always at capacity | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:03:40|Aug 24 13:03]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:04:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | continuing to point large amounts of people to a single download source for large isos is just doing it wrong. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:04:01|Aug 24 13:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:04:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | | Oxf13: maybe our local brno mirror problem, but for the last few days in rawhide repo there is only i386 stuff | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:04:02|Aug 24 13:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:04:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: adamw: mmcgrath has been helping to monitor any access issues for the stage url ... this is on the same box right? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:04:03|Aug 24 13:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:04:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | jlaska: yes, same box | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:04:13|Aug 24 13:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:04:14" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | Oxf13: i don't think there's much point in having nightly builds but not telling anyone about them because we don't have the capacity to serve them | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:04:14|Aug 24 13:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:04:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | I think. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:04:18|Aug 24 13:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:04:24" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | nirik: the isos are being put on secondary1 right? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:04:24|Aug 24 13:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:04:26" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | it's just a waste of generation time if we're going to have to 'hide' them like that... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:04:26|Aug 24 13:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:04:35" | |||
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #9b519b" | | Oxf13: yep. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:04:35|Aug 24 13:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:04:36" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | adamw: ti's the classic live problem | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:04:36|Aug 24 13:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:04:47" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | A) they're big. B) they don't rsync well against older isos | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:04:47|Aug 24 13:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:04:54" | |||
| colspan="2" | * | nirik doesn't know the solution here, but is happy to do whatever he can to make them more accessable. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:04:54|Aug 24 13:04]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:05:10" | |||
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #9b519b" | | would deltaisos help any? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:05:10|Aug 24 13:05]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:05:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | adamw: it's not a waste of generating them when automated tests can be ran on them, discovering things like size changes, package listing changes, etc... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:05:15|Aug 24 13:05]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:05:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | nirik: no | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:05:16|Aug 24 13:05]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:05:25" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | nirik: live images are just an iso of one big squashfs file | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:05:25|Aug 24 13:05]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:05:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #9b519b" | | yeah. I haven't looked at how deltaisos work or if they would do any good here. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:05:48|Aug 24 13:05]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:05:54" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | kparal: i see 1260 packages on nfs... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:05:54|Aug 24 13:05]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:05:57" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | Oxf13: well, to put it less negatively: there is a considerable potential benefit in having them widely available and it would be a shame to lose that due to resource issues which ought to be solveable | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:05:57|Aug 24 13:05]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:06:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | s/1260/18260/ | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:06:03|Aug 24 13:06]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:06:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | let's keep on using them ... and if we start to have problems getting them ... we can escalate with the infrastructure team | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:06:05|Aug 24 13:06]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:06:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #9b519b" | | so whats the solution? mirror them? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:06:17|Aug 24 13:06]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:06:20" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | adamw: so I question this | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:06:20|Aug 24 13:06]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:06:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | adamw: what added benefit over rawhide do the live images have | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:06:33|Aug 24 13:06]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:06:34" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | aha, those are 08-19 | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:06:34|Aug 24 13:06]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:06:39" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | Oxf13: testable without installing | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:06:39|Aug 24 13:06]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:06:45" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | that would be worth the resource costs to provide them on a single download source | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:06:45|Aug 24 13:06]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:06:54" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | that's big enough all on its own | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:06:54|Aug 24 13:06]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:07:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | adamw: every single day? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:07:03|Aug 24 13:07]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:07:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | would not weekly provide the same value? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:07:17|Aug 24 13:07]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:07:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | every day is good. weekly would work nearly as well. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:07:22|Aug 24 13:07]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:07:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | (you know, like the weekly snapshots we're going to be doing, and putting on torrents) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:07:29|Aug 24 13:07]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:07:37" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | if weekly push is sufficient to address the bandwidth issue it's a compromise i could live with. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:07:37|Aug 24 13:07]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:07:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | i was not aware of the weekly torrent plan. where's that documented? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:07:46|Aug 24 13:07]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:07:48" | |||
| colspan="2" | * | nirik doesn't care about weekly, but it was just easier to push them everytime they were composed. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:07:48|Aug 24 13:07]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:07:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | nightly live images might be a future benefit wecan offer for QA group membership | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:07:52|Aug 24 13:07]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:08:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | adamw: snapshot 1,2,3 have been in the schedule since the beginning | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:08:18|Aug 24 13:08]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:08:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | which are snapshots during the weeks between Alpha and Beta | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:08:31|Aug 24 13:08]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:09:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | the big motivation for having nightly live images was to track issues with composing | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:09:01|Aug 24 13:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:09:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | let's wrap up this topic ... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:09:01|Aug 24 13:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:09:10" | |||
| colspan="2" | * | dpravec is having #topic bugzilla testday + testcase | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:09:10|Aug 24 13:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:09:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | mainly size changes and new dep issues | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:09:11|Aug 24 13:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:09:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | does someone want to propose a different delivery mechanism for the live images? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:09:11|Aug 24 13:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:09:20" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | Oxf13: that's not really the same thing. it's only happening at a specific point in the cycle | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:09:20|Aug 24 13:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:09:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | we didn't do weekly images pre-alpha, the schedule doesn't show them post-beta either | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:09:30|Aug 24 13:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:09:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | unless it's changing for f13, if you look at the f12 cycle, from the start of f12 development until the first alpha test compose, there's no live image build scheduled | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:09:59|Aug 24 13:09]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:10:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | adamw: that's because the rate of change then is supposed to be small, so using the last point release and yum updating will get you the same state | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:10:03|Aug 24 13:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:10:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | jlaska: iam all for bittorent... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:10:05|Aug 24 13:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:10:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | but thats not useable in some companie | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:10:19|Aug 24 13:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:10:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | Oxf13: which you can't do live, practically speaking. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:10:19|Aug 24 13:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:10:24" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | excuse me? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:10:24|Aug 24 13:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:10:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | you most certainly can | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:10:33|Aug 24 13:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:10:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | okay gang | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:10:38|Aug 24 13:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:10:41" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | Oxf13: not if you need to test a kernel update... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:10:41|Aug 24 13:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:10:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | outside of say the kernel | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:10:43|Aug 24 13:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:10:45" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | =) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:10:45|Aug 24 13:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:10:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | (or, practically speaking, udev) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:10:50|Aug 24 13:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:10:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | which at this point really shouldn't be changing | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:10:53|Aug 24 13:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:10:58" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | or that point I should say | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:10:58|Aug 24 13:10]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:11:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | and pre-alpha? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:11:04|Aug 24 13:11]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:11:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | pre-alpha you're going to be lucky to get a working live image one a week, let alone once a day | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:11:21|Aug 24 13:11]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:11:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | heh, true | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:11:30|Aug 24 13:11]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:11:32" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | my point is that it's a giant waste of resources | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:11:32|Aug 24 13:11]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:11:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | for some benefit, but at a huge cost | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:11:46|Aug 24 13:11]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:12:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: whose resources are they? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:12:01|Aug 24 13:12]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:12:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | we should be aware of the costs here and not just shrug and say "eh, we'll fix it whenever infra runs out of bits" | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:12:11|Aug 24 13:12]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:12:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: is this infrastructure team? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:12:22|Aug 24 13:12]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:12:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | jlaska: bandwidth and disk IO | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:12:22|Aug 24 13:12]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:12:34" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: sorry, I meant who manages this and is responsible for it | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:12:34|Aug 24 13:12]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:12:39" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | as well as tester bandwidth thinking they need to download a new live image every day | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:12:39|Aug 24 13:12]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:13:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | Infrastructure is ultimately responsible | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:13:02|Aug 24 13:13]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:13:36" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | then lets talk to the experts so they can work up a solution or advise that this isn't doable with current resources? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:13:36|Aug 24 13:13]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:14:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | I'll be happy to take this for next week ... unless someone else would like it? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:14:03|Aug 24 13:14]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:14:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | yes, we should talk to them | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:14:08|Aug 24 13:14]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:14:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Oxf13 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | | but they really are too nice, they'll just let you consume everything they have (: | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:14:16|Aug 24 13:14]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:14:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | Oxf13: no ... last we discussed, they identified a threshold for bandwith for the RC images | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:14:52|Aug 24 13:14]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:14:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | and we talked about some possible next steps | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:14:59|Aug 24 13:14]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:15:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #action jlaska to discuss bandwith implications of hosting nightly rawhide live images with fedora-infrastructure | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:15:38|Aug 24 13:15]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:15:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #chair dpravec | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:15:44|Aug 24 13:15]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:15:45" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | | Current chairs: adamw dpravec jlaska | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:15:45|Aug 24 13:15]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:15:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | dpravec: did you have a topic to discuss? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:15:59|Aug 24 13:15]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:16:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | my next topic is related to bugzilla and test days | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:16:04|Aug 24 13:16]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:16:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #topic open discussion - bugzilla and test days (dpravec) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:16:19|Aug 24 13:16]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:16:20" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: open discussion - bugzilla and test days (dpravec) (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:16:20|Aug 24 13:16]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:16:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | we need to get rid of tables with bug descriptions and links to bugzilla | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:16:28|Aug 24 13:16]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:16:41" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | do not repeat yourself (DRY) is important principle to be kept | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:16:41|Aug 24 13:16]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:16:54" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | it would be best to have own fields in bugzilla | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:16:54|Aug 24 13:16]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:17:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | TestCase and TestDay | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:17:02|Aug 24 13:17]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:17:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | which can be prefilled when you click near testace on 'report bug on this testcase' | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:17:21|Aug 24 13:17]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:17:34" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | so we can have everything live in bugzilla | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:17:34|Aug 24 13:17]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:17:58" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | i am not sure how to achieve this... but i would love to stop writing bugz into tables in wiki | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:17:58|Aug 24 13:17]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:18:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | as i said when we discussed this before, we do have a results table layout for test days which is not a simple list of bugs | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:18:04|Aug 24 13:18]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:18:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | adamw: testcase could be a field | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:18:16|Aug 24 13:18]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:18:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | so you can get nice table from bugzilla | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:18:23|Aug 24 13:18]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:18:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | at least if i imagine it right | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:18:31|Aug 24 13:18]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:18:37" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | i am not using it for long | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:18:37|Aug 24 13:18]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:18:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | so i need help there | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:18:42|Aug 24 13:18]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:18:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | see e.g. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-03-26_Nouveau#Results | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:18:44|Aug 24 13:18]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:18:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | i think that may be possible _in theory_ but in practice would be rather complex... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:18:55|Aug 24 13:18]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:19:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | for a start we try to avoid non-trivial bugzilla customizations wherever possible | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:19:04|Aug 24 13:19]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:19:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | and bugzilla itself is fairly stand-off-ish for noobs | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:19:23|Aug 24 13:19]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:19:32" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | you could have TestDay and TestCase keywords, but they have to be added to Bugzilla itself and i imagine it'd be a pain for the bz admins to do that every week | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:19:32|Aug 24 13:19]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:19:35" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | yes, but that is my another topic :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:19:35|Aug 24 13:19]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:19:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | (noobs x bugzilla) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:19:43|Aug 24 13:19]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:19:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | you could (ab)use the whiteboard space, but i'm not sure that can be pre-filled in a 'file a bug' link | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:19:50|Aug 24 13:19]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:19:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | have to test that | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:19:55|Aug 24 13:19]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:20:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | we need to look out for solution | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:20:08|Aug 24 13:20]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:20:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | there's also the rather tricky case that defining pass/fail is somewhat subjective and best left to humans | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:20:16|Aug 24 13:20]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:20:25" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | I think it's important to note that the wiki is our interim solution | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:20:25|Aug 24 13:20]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:20:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | sometimes a human can see quite easily that a test _basically_ passed but there's a little problem with it | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:20:33|Aug 24 13:20]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:20:41" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | so they list the test as a PASS but with a footnote link to a bug report | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:20:41|Aug 24 13:20]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:20:45" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | it'd be a bit tough to automate that | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:20:45|Aug 24 13:20]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:20:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | there are other options out there ... and maybe some quick fixes to make the short-term more useful | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:20:51|Aug 24 13:20]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:21:00" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | yep, that is also important: you mentioned a test case management system, we don't have one yet but we _want_ one :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:21:00|Aug 24 13:21]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:21:35" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | hmm we need a good test case management system... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:21:35|Aug 24 13:21]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:21:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | see also: pony | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:21:38|Aug 24 13:21]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:21:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | pony? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:21:48|Aug 24 13:21]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:21:49" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | for the sugar on a stick test day ... mchua and sdziallas were intending to demo semantic+mediawiki | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:21:49|Aug 24 13:21]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:21:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | i think there's a good test case management system inside every pony | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:21:52|Aug 24 13:21]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:21:58" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | stickster is now known as stickster_food | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:21:58|Aug 24 13:21]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:22:04" | |||
| colspan="2" | * | sdziallas is here, waves. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:22:04|Aug 24 13:22]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:22:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #a25555" | sdziallas | |||
| style="color: #a25555" | | jlaska: we're going for test cases at the moment... I created a wiki page about the day in general, but it still needs a lot of content from my side. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:22:33|Aug 24 13:22]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:23:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #57a657" | lmacken | |||
| style="color: #57a657" | | ooo... good liveusb-creator testing can come out of that too :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:23:09|Aug 24 13:23]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:23:47" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | pony=? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:23:47|Aug 24 13:23]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:23:49" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | dpravec: heh, like "daddy, I want a pony" - just the standard joke for any time we start talking about things that everyone wants, but nobody actually has the time/money/skill to make it happen | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:23:49|Aug 24 13:23]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:23:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | dpravec: it's a running geek/fedora joke | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:23:56|Aug 24 13:23]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:24:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | eh :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:24:06|Aug 24 13:24]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:24:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | dpravec: the idea being that everyone wants something big and cool and awesome but doesn't think about the work involved in getting it | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:24:16|Aug 24 13:24]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:24:20" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | thus 'i want a pony!' | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:24:20|Aug 24 13:24]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:24:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | http://i-want-a-pony.com/ | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:24:23|Aug 24 13:24]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:24:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | ok, i will start thinking how to acquire a pony for you :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:24:28|Aug 24 13:24]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:24:32" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | wwoods: awesome! | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:24:32|Aug 24 13:24]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:24:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | nanonyme | |||
| style="color: #488888" | | Ponies mentioned. :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:24:38|Aug 24 13:24]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:25:07" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | dpravec: I'm always interested in simple improvements to the current wiki experience | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:25:07|Aug 24 13:25]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:25:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | oh i think i have seen it on some django presentation :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:25:09|Aug 24 13:25]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:25:26" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | dpravec: yeah, that's not available to us yet | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:25:26|Aug 24 13:25]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:25:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | hey but this can be easy | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:25:29|Aug 24 13:25]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:25:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | we do not need an elephant | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:25:42|Aug 24 13:25]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:26:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #57a657" | lmacken | |||
| style="color: #57a657" | | dpravec: that's because django is the webframework for magical ponies with super powers :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:26:05|Aug 24 13:26]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:26:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | dpravec: as jlaska said, if you can suggest a practical fairly easy change to the current wiki system, we're all ears - there's nothing set in stone about it, it's just something i bashed out a few months ago :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:26:17|Aug 24 13:26]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:26:20" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | i will try to some people about it and next week i will tell you if i can get a pony | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:26:20|Aug 24 13:26]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:26:54" | |||
| colspan="2" | --- | hanthana_ is now known as hanthana | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:26:54|Aug 24 13:26]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:26:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | to talk* | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:26:55|Aug 24 13:26]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:26:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | okay ... let's wrap things up for today | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:26:59|Aug 24 13:26]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:27:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | jlaska bot self destructs after a 1.5 hour meeting | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:27:23|Aug 24 13:27]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:27:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | i love animals :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:27:30|Aug 24 13:27]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:27:34" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | dpravec: haha | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:27:34|Aug 24 13:27]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:27:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | okay gang ... anything else that can be said in 30 seconds ? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:27:51|Aug 24 13:27]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:28:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | i will keep that for next week :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:28:06|Aug 24 13:28]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:28:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | i hate gigabyte! | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:28:08|Aug 24 13:28]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:28:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | sorry, needed to get that out of my system =) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:28:12|Aug 24 13:28]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:28:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | nanonyme | |||
| style="color: #488888" | | Btw, one question: how much locked up is Rawhide atm? Kernel driver features put on freeze? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:28:13|Aug 24 13:28]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:28:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | nanonyme: I believe the flood gates are open again | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:28:33|Aug 24 13:28]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:28:39" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | not for features | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:28:39|Aug 24 13:28]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:28:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | just for builds | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:28:42|Aug 24 13:28]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:28:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | nanonyme: yes, as wwoods said | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:28:51|Aug 24 13:28]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:28:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | nanonyme | |||
| style="color: #488888" | | Right... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:28:53|Aug 24 13:28]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:29:04" | |||
| colspan="2" | * | nirik upgraded his laptop to rawhide this weekend. Went very smoothly. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:29:04|Aug 24 13:29]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:29:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | 40 seconds till detonation ... | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:29:27|Aug 24 13:29]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:29:35" | |||
| colspan="2" | * | dpravec upgraded to testing, with kde 3.0 | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:29:35|Aug 24 13:29]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:29:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | nanonyme | |||
| style="color: #488888" | | Just wondering if KMS parts or 3D parts of DRM for new ATi cards would get into the release. Probably not? | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:29:38|Aug 24 13:29]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:29:41" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | eh 4.3.x | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:29:41|Aug 24 13:29]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:29:58" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | nanonyme: they're probably in there already, fedora kernel runs ahead of upstream in that respect. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:29:58|Aug 24 13:29]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:30:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | jlaska: happy post-detonation :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:30:04|Aug 24 13:30]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:30:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | nanonyme: if not yet they almost certainly will be, graphics stuff is generally pushed in quite late, right up to beta freeze. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:30:15|Aug 24 13:30]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:30:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | nanonyme: i believe kms for later radeons has been in for a while but is disabled by default for safety, you can force radeon.modeset=1 to test it. not sure if that's changing for f12, have to check with airlied. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:30:56|Aug 24 13:30]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:30:58" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | nanonyme | |||
| style="color: #488888" | | adamw: 3D parts are in one developer's own DRM git tree, current KMS parts are just getting looked through by airlied. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:30:58|Aug 24 13:30]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:31:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | nanonyme: ok. as i said, graphics stuff generally keeps getting pushed in till quite late, i'd be surprised if they stop updating it now. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:31:21|Aug 24 13:31]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:31:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | okay folks ... let's close it out for today | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:31:27|Aug 24 13:31]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:31:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | nanonyme | |||
| style="color: #488888" | | adamw: The thing in Rawhide can't do X atm but I've heard what the developers have is further. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:31:29|Aug 24 13:31]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:31:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | we can continue over in #fedora-qa and on the list | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:31:33|Aug 24 13:31]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:31:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | nanonyme | |||
| style="color: #488888" | | Right. Thanks. | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:31:33|Aug 24 13:31]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:31:37" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | thanks everyone for your time! | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:31:37|Aug 24 13:31]] | |||
|- id="tAug 24 13:31:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | | nanonyme: you can always ask airlied directly if you find him active, he doesn't bite :) | |||
|| [[#tAug 24 13:31:55|Aug 24 13:31]] | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | | #endmeeting | |||
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Revision as of 20:22, 24 August 2009
Attendees
- Adam Williamson (adamw)
- David Pravec (dpravec)
- Edward Kirk (tk009)
- James Laska (jlaska)
- Kamil Paral (kparal)
- Will Woods (wwoods)
- nanonyme
Regrets:
- Liam Li (lili)
- He Rui (rhe)
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- [jlaska] - sync up w/ viking_ice to discuss coordination for upcoming dracut test day
Mini post F-12-Alpha recap
AutoQA update from wwoods
Test Day updates
fedora-test-announce request?
David recommended fedora-test-announce mailing list for all QA related events.
2009-08-18 - Printing
Test summary?
2009-08-20 - ABRT
See test summary From David Pravec.
2009-08-27 - Dracut
Jlaska spoke w/ Harald quite a bit last week and created a few test cases on the wiki (see Test_Day:2009-08-27. Additional tests needed for remaining root= boot scenarios.
Open discussion
nightly live builds (adamw)
bugzilla and test days (dpravec)
<your topic here>
Upcoming QA events
- 2009-08-27 - Dracut test day
- 2009-08-31 - QA/Meetings/20090831 at 16:00 UTC
Action items
- [dpravec] - investigate creating fedora-test-announce mailing list for Test Days, other test events, schedule updates
- [jlaska] - talk with Liam about how we can make the current install test plan more attainable/achievable in the given time frames
- [jlaska] - cleanup remaining test cases for dracut and send announcement
- [jlaska] - discuss bandwith implications of hosting nightly rawhide live images with fedora-infrastructure
- [Oxf13] - will do a build of the new autotest version for testing.
- [jlaska + wwoods] to test latest autotest build
- UNASSIGNED
* include a xorg-x11-drv matrix in F-12-Beta test matrix for nouveau, intel and radeon
IRC transcript
jlaska | | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | Aug 24 11:59 |
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zodbot | | Meeting started Mon Aug 24 15:59:50 2009 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | Aug 24 11:59 |
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--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Aug 24 11:59 | |
jlaska | | #topic gathering people | Aug 24 12:00 |
--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: gathering people (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Aug 24 12:00 | |
* | kparal is here | Aug 24 12:00 | |
jlaska | | howdy folks ... a few minutes for everyone to join ... and we'll kick things off | Aug 24 12:00 |
adamw | | howdy doodly | Aug 24 12:00 |
* | tk009 stands-to | Aug 24 12:01 | |
lmr_ | | jlaska: I am here too :) | Aug 24 12:02 |
jlaska | | lmr_: howdy! | Aug 24 12:02 |
jlaska | | kparal: nanonyme: tkjacobsen: adamw: hey hey :) | Aug 24 12:02 |
jlaska | | s/tkjacobsen/tk009/ | Aug 24 12:02 |
jlaska | | foiled by tab complete again | Aug 24 12:02 |
nanonyme | | Hey and thanks for inviting. Sounded interesting. :) | Aug 24 12:03 |
jlaska | | thanks for joining ... new ideas always welcome | Aug 24 12:03 |
jlaska | | I suspect wwoods and dpravec lurking in the shadows | Aug 24 12:04 |
jlaska | | wwoods might still be bear-proofing the cube | Aug 24 12:04 |
jlaska | | do we have Viking-Ice around as well? | Aug 24 12:05 |
dpravec | | yes i am here | Aug 24 12:05 |
jlaska | | dpravec: hey there! | Aug 24 12:05 |
dpravec | | :) | Aug 24 12:05 |
jlaska | | okay ... let's get moving and hopefully folks will join in soon | Aug 24 12:06 |
jlaska | | I don't have a lot on the agenda today ... mainly just recap on the Alpha, a slot fo autoqa updates, and some test day talk | Aug 24 12:06 |
jlaska | | see agenda @ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-August/msg00608.html | Aug 24 12:06 |
jlaska | | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | Aug 24 12:06 |
--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Previous meeting follow-up (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Aug 24 12:07 | |
jlaska | | the only action item I captured was for me to sync up w/ Viking-Ice on the dracut testing | Aug 24 12:07 |
jlaska | | and I failed there :( | Aug 24 12:07 |
jlaska | | I'm building on the page I believe Viking-Ice drafted with guidance from harald | Aug 24 12:07 |
jlaska | | we can talk more about that in the test day section though | Aug 24 12:07 |
jlaska | | any other follow-up items from last week that were not covered? | Aug 24 12:08 |
* | Oxf13 | Aug 24 12:08 | |
Oxf13 | | I'm here | Aug 24 12:08 |
Oxf13 | | just got online here at the *$ | Aug 24 12:08 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: howdy! | Aug 24 12:08 |
jlaska | | okay ... hearing silence on previous meeting ... let's move into agenda | Aug 24 12:09 |
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jlaska | | #topic F-12 post-alpha recap | Aug 24 12:09 |
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jlaska | | so hopefully not getting ahead of myself by calling it post-alpha recap | Aug 24 12:09 |
Oxf13 | | it would take an act of god to prevent us from releasing on Tuesday | Aug 24 12:09 |
jlaska | | but wanted to spend a few minutes on a mini post-mortem for the Alpha | Aug 24 12:10 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: yes, hopefully they stay up in their mountains | Aug 24 12:10 |
jlaska | | so ... let's start out with things that worked well | Aug 24 12:10 |
jlaska | | anyone want to volunteer? | Aug 24 12:10 |
Oxf13 | | there was a ton more communication between releng and QA | Aug 24 12:10 |
Oxf13 | | which was a great thing | Aug 24 12:10 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: yeah, I found it really helpful to hop onto those releng tickets that impacted us | Aug 24 12:11 |
Oxf13 | | that's good, so that we get more value out of the tickets themselves. Filing them is a bit of a pain | Aug 24 12:12 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: Liam's working out an issue with not getting email updates when he was on the ticket | Aug 24 12:12 |
Oxf13 | | interesting! | Aug 24 12:12 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: but ideally, if we work out of the tickets, he can initiate test results as soon as bits are in hand | Aug 24 12:12 |
Oxf13 | | it was his FAS name on the ticket? | Aug 24 12:12 |
Oxf13 | | nod, I'll have to be better about touching the tickets as work progresses. | Aug 24 12:13 |
Oxf13 | | last couple releases the work all ahappened, and then the tickets got mass closed after the fact | Aug 24 12:13 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: no worries, I think we policed ourselves on it for the alpha ... as long as you don't mind ... I'd like to keep doing that | Aug 24 12:13 |
jlaska | | another thing I felt worked well was the alpha blocker bug meetings | Aug 24 12:14 |
adamw | | i think the main area for improvement that presented itself is not in our processes but just the anaconda-sync-with-releases thing | Aug 24 12:14 |
Oxf13 | | yeah, those were great | Aug 24 12:14 |
Oxf13 | | as was the more detailed schedule | Aug 24 12:14 |
adamw | | i think most of our processes went off pretty well to be honest | Aug 24 12:14 |
jlaska | | adamw: thanks for bringing that up ... we discussed that briefly during one of the blocker meetings | Aug 24 12:14 |
jlaska | | how do folks feel about the current scheduling of blocker meetings | Aug 24 12:15 |
adamw | | yeah, we need to move it forward in some other venue but i haven't got enough round tuits yet :/ | Aug 24 12:15 |
jlaska | | leading up to, during and after milestones | Aug 24 12:15 |
adamw | | the only thing i wonder about the scheduling is whether friday's the best day, since it means any problems we find may not be addressed for two or three days | Aug 24 12:15 |
adamw | | though we're pretty overloaded on other days of the week | Aug 24 12:15 |
Oxf13 | | doing it on Friday means that those outside of US times get a jump start on work needed the next week | Aug 24 12:16 |
jlaska | | adamw: yeah I think that was the initial concern (if I could speak for poelcat) ... collissions with other events | Aug 24 12:16 |
adamw | | Oxf13: true | Aug 24 12:16 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: that's true too | Aug 24 12:16 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: speaking of, I requested that poelcat add another blocker bug date to the Beta | Aug 24 12:16 |
jlaska | | it would be right after we do some pre-TC testing | Aug 24 12:16 |
Oxf13 | | ok | Aug 24 12:16 |
Oxf13 | | sounds reasonable | Aug 24 12:17 |
jlaska | | cool | Aug 24 12:17 |
jlaska | | = okay ... things that could be improved = | Aug 24 12:17 |
jlaska | | * the test plan needs to be more agile | Aug 24 12:17 |
jlaska | | * current planned testing is only focused on installation | Aug 24 12:17 |
jlaska | | I don't get the warm feelings about other areas of the distro ... are there things we can be doing there | Aug 24 12:18 |
jlaska | | or do we feel the fedora-{devel,test}-list reports are sufficient? | Aug 24 12:18 |
adamw | | thinking only in an alpha context, the other major areas are networking and the yum/rpm stack, and xorg | Aug 24 12:18 |
adamw | | i think casual reports are likely to cover any major problems in networking and yum/rpm | Aug 24 12:18 |
adamw | | it's the kind of thing it's quite hard to miss if it's broken | Aug 24 12:19 |
jlaska | | true, there is a lot of value in having *many* eyes looking at this stuff | Aug 24 12:19 |
adamw | | xorg is tricky like anaconda as it's quite hardware dependent, but it might be nice to have a basic setup for testing at least if intel, nouveau and radeon aren't entirely broken | Aug 24 12:19 |
Oxf13 | | I think we tend to focus on installer, because unlike the rest of the OS which has to be "testable", installer has to work in order to test other things | Aug 24 12:19 |
Oxf13 | | so we provide the installer testing to make sure it can get installed, then rely upon users to cover the rest of the os as the Alpha is released | Aug 24 12:20 |
adamw | | and yeah, i agree with oxf13, the installer is easily the _most_ critical bit, because you're not going to be able to workaround it at all if it's broken | Aug 24 12:20 |
adamw | | with X you can at _least_ fall back on vesa or something | Aug 24 12:20 |
jlaska | | yeah ... all good points | Aug 24 12:20 |
jlaska | | testing the installer does touch on a quite a bit of these other areas too | Aug 24 12:20 |
adamw | | but with that caveat, if we have the hardware (i can cover nvidia and possibly radeon at a push) we could have a little xorg table in there | Aug 24 12:21 |
Oxf13 | | nod | Aug 24 12:21 |
jlaska | | I'm open to trying it for the Beta ... if it doesn't work ... no harm done | Aug 24 12:21 |
wwoods | | little xorg table in where? | Aug 24 12:21 |
adamw | | well something like the install text matrix | Aug 24 12:22 |
adamw | | whether it goes on the same page or not i dunno | Aug 24 12:22 |
wwoods | | ensuring basic functionality of intel/nouveau/radeon is supposed to be part of the rawhide acceptance plan | Aug 24 12:22 |
wwoods | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:X_basic_display_test_case | Aug 24 12:22 |
Oxf13 | | we don't have tables for it though do we? | Aug 24 12:22 |
adamw | | well, so is testing the installer works, but we have a table and manual testing for that too :) | Aug 24 12:22 |
wwoods | | so possibly the test matrix just lacks boxes for the test cases from the rawhide test plan | Aug 24 12:23 |
jlaska | | wwoods: oh that's right | Aug 24 12:23 |
adamw | | Oxf13: the idea being that we write one :) it could just be 3x1, heh | Aug 24 12:23 |
adamw | | wwoods: the current matrix is specifically labelled an _install_ test matrix iirc | Aug 24 12:23 |
wwoods | | and also https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_Plan#Basic_Functionality | Aug 24 12:23 |
jlaska | | adamw: for installer ... we have a few tests to confirm that if something does break ... the methods of recovery function (updates= and rescue-mode) | Aug 24 12:23 |
wwoods | | right but the install test plan is predicated on QA accepting the bits for testing at all | Aug 24 12:23 |
jlaska | | adamw: is that worth noting for Xorg too (re: vesa, nomodeset) | Aug 24 12:24 |
wwoods | | which is what the acceptance test plan is supposed to decide | Aug 24 12:24 |
wwoods | | anyway without getting too deep into the meanings of Acceptance Testing and other overly-formal QA junk | Aug 24 12:24 |
wwoods | | the stuff from the rawhide acceptance test plan needs to be considered part of (or a prerequisite to) the installer plan | Aug 24 12:25 |
jlaska | | wwoods: good point | Aug 24 12:25 |
wwoods | | and thus needs a test result matrix of its own (or spaces in the installer matrix) | Aug 24 12:25 |
adamw | | doing it that way is fine by me | Aug 24 12:26 |
wwoods | | and actually the israwhidebroken.com plan involves having a place for manual test results for that specific test | Aug 24 12:26 |
wwoods | | but yeah, the installer plan needs to have a note that says "see also these results over here"... once we're properly collecting those results. | Aug 24 12:26 |
jlaska | | wwoods: that's something to consider ... if we don't have that bit in place yet ... perhaps having some stop-gap on the wiki for the beta would be acceptable? | Aug 24 12:26 |
jlaska | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_12_Test_Results | Aug 24 12:27 |
jlaska | | anchored under ^^^ or a sub-category of that | Aug 24 12:27 |
jlaska | | okay ... any other points to note about the Alpha | Aug 24 12:27 |
jlaska | | Good/bad/ugly? | Aug 24 12:27 |
jlaska | | #action jlaska to talk with Liam about how we can make the current install test plan more attainable | Aug 24 12:28 |
jlaska | | any other items to capture on this topic? | Aug 24 12:28 |
adamw | | nothing from me | Aug 24 12:29 |
jlaska | | #action include a xorg-x11-drv matrix in F-12-Beta test matrix for nouveau, intel and radeon | Aug 24 12:29 |
jlaska | | #topic autoqa update from wwoods | Aug 24 12:30 |
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jlaska | | alrighty ... wwoods I've got the always present slot in the meeting for any updates or help needed on the autoqa front | Aug 24 12:30 |
wwoods | | okay so.. the autoqa stuff is still happening automatically. whee! | Aug 24 12:30 |
jlaska | | yeah, holy emails batman! :) | Aug 24 12:31 |
wwoods | | I fixed up the conflicts test - it was doing Obsoletes and Conflicts wrong, and taking 5 hours to run | Aug 24 12:31 |
wwoods | | cleaned up the email subjects too, so it's a lot easier to figure out the results | Aug 24 12:31 |
wwoods | | e.g. "repoclosure: 34 packages with unresolved deps in rawhide-x86_64" | Aug 24 12:31 |
jlaska | | wwoods: that conflicts change seems to have done the trick | Aug 24 12:32 |
Oxf13 | | yeah that's good stuff | Aug 24 12:32 |
Oxf13 | | next we need somebody to start consuming that info (: | Aug 24 12:32 |
wwoods | | the rats_* tests were broken over the weekend but I've (mostly) fixed them | Aug 24 12:32 |
Oxf13 | | but we're getting there | Aug 24 12:32 |
wwoods | | rats_install seems to take a lot longer than it should | Aug 24 12:32 |
wwoods | | and rats_sanity mysteriously does not work on i386 rawhide | Aug 24 12:33 |
jlaska | | wwoods: I'm waiting on a PXE change for that new kms SDV workstation ... will add it to autotest once I hear back | Aug 24 12:33 |
wwoods | | might be a yum bug, I need to talk to skvidal | Aug 24 12:33 |
* | skvidal looks up | Aug 24 12:33 | |
wwoods | | anyway, I rewrote the option-parsing code in the autoqa harness to be more sane (i.e. not hardcoding hook-specific code in the main harness) | Aug 24 12:33 |
wwoods | | merged the autotest branch into master | Aug 24 12:34 |
wwoods | | and this week I'll mostly be documenting how to write new tests and implement new hooks | Aug 24 12:34 |
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wwoods | | and trying to figure out how we can get other automated systems to consume the test results | Aug 24 12:34 |
Oxf13 | | wwoods: a new autotest was released upstream, and I think it includes support for django 1 | Aug 24 12:34 |
Oxf13 | | when would be a good time to update to the new version and throw it at you? | Aug 24 12:34 |
wwoods | | Oh nice - is that what we have in Fedora, then? | Aug 24 12:35 |
wwoods | | jlaska: do we have a spare system / capacity for a virt guest to try that out on? | Aug 24 12:35 |
jlaska | | wwoods: we could do a spare guest | Aug 24 12:35 |
Oxf13 | | we don't have the new autotest anywhere | Aug 24 12:35 |
dpravec | | i can test it | Aug 24 12:35 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: might be a good time to check back in on the packaging | Aug 24 12:35 |
Oxf13 | | but django 1 is what we have in Fedora | Aug 24 12:35 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: once we're good on the packaging, I'm going to setup qa1 | Aug 24 12:35 |
Oxf13 | | ok | Aug 24 12:35 |
dpravec | | 1.1 is imho actual django release | Aug 24 12:35 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: last we left it ... the packaging was fairly solid | Aug 24 12:36 |
Oxf13 | | jlaska: indeed, I think it got reviewed and approved | Aug 24 12:36 |
jlaska | | awesome, thanks for pushing on that front | Aug 24 12:36 |
Oxf13 | | or would be as soon as we figure out the stupid google web toolkit crap | Aug 24 12:36 |
dpravec | | Oxf13: so, please package it rather soon | Aug 24 12:37 |
Oxf13 | | dpravec: I can't until gwt is figured out | Aug 24 12:37 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: this is for Fedora you mean? | Aug 24 12:37 |
Oxf13 | | right, for Fedora | Aug 24 12:37 |
jlaska | | and not just the fedora-infra repor | Aug 24 12:38 |
Oxf13 | | I can do a new build of the new version | Aug 24 12:38 |
Oxf13 | | and get it into the infra | Aug 24 12:38 |
jlaska | | worth a shot ... and wwoods and I will test that out | Aug 24 12:38 |
Oxf13 | | nod | Aug 24 12:38 |
dpravec | | i can test too | Aug 24 12:38 |
Oxf13 | | I'll put that on this week's to do list | Aug 24 12:38 |
jlaska | | #action f13 updated autotest-0.11 build | Aug 24 12:38 |
Oxf13 | | #action Oxf13 will do a build of the new autotest version for testing. | Aug 24 12:38 |
adamw | | so, a question: aren't we now at the point where we could actually create the much-vaunted israwhidebroken.com ? | Aug 24 12:38 |
jlaska | | #action jlaska + wwoods to test latest autotest build | Aug 24 12:39 |
dpravec | | adamw: soon, soon :) | Aug 24 12:39 |
adamw | | wwoods: is that on your schedule? it seems like the necessary tests for it to happen are now in place and running | Aug 24 12:39 |
adamw | | (which is awesome) | Aug 24 12:39 |
wwoods | | adamw: close. we need a way to pull/push data from autotest to fill in the boxes for the automated parts | Aug 24 12:40 |
adamw | | i see | Aug 24 12:40 |
wwoods | | and then we need an (authenticated) way for qa team people to fill in the boxes for unautomated bits (e.g. Xorg) | Aug 24 12:40 |
adamw | | i think we could start doing the page even without that bit and add it on later | Aug 24 12:41 |
wwoods | | so as I said earlier, the two big items I have for this week are to look into that (pulling/pushing data from autotest for e.g. israwhidebroken.com) | Aug 24 12:41 |
adamw | | just whether the automated tests pass or not on a given day is useful enough in its own right | Aug 24 12:42 |
dpravec | | yes | Aug 24 12:42 |
wwoods | | and writing docs so petr / dpravec / et. al. can get their hands dirty designing new tests/hooks, like Fedora TPS and such | Aug 24 12:42 |
adamw | | gotcha | Aug 24 12:42 |
jlaska | | whole lotta bootstrapin' going on | Aug 24 12:42 |
wwoods | | we already have daily automated results on the autoqa-results list | Aug 24 12:42 |
wwoods | | that's the stopgap until the other bits get glued together | Aug 24 12:43 |
adamw | | brb, call of nature - i do have an open floor topic so don't stop without me :) | Aug 24 12:43 |
jlaska | | wwoods: awesome work, thanks for the updates! | Aug 24 12:43 |
jlaska | | adamw: okay | Aug 24 12:43 |
jlaska | | wwoods: any other points ... or should we move on? | Aug 24 12:44 |
wwoods | | jlaska: thanks, and no problem | Aug 24 12:44 |
jlaska | | alrighty ... moving on to next topic ... | Aug 24 12:44 |
jlaska | | #topic Test Day updates - fedora-test-announce? | Aug 24 12:45 |
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jlaska | | dpravec you mentioned this the week prior, but I neglected to add it to the agenda | Aug 24 12:45 |
dpravec | | i heard people telling me that they would love to participate some test days | Aug 24 12:46 |
dpravec | | but they do not read many maillists | Aug 24 12:46 |
dpravec | | for example one said he reads only fedora-announce | Aug 24 12:46 |
dpravec | | and others only ocassionally | Aug 24 12:46 |
adamw | | i do announce them also on fedora planet and the forums | Aug 24 12:46 |
adamw | | they're really not important enough to go to fedora-announce | Aug 24 12:46 |
dpravec | | and we cannot announce tests on fedora-announce | Aug 24 12:46 |
jlaska | | btw ... this is a topic that comes up a lot ... | Aug 24 12:46 |
jlaska | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Test_Day_Survey#Advertising | Aug 24 12:46 |
dpravec | | so it makes sense to make list fedora-test-announce | Aug 24 12:47 |
dpravec | | for people who would like to test some things | Aug 24 12:47 |
adamw | | ones with a wider interest we sometimes promote to news sites, but we can't do that for ones which are really of interest specifically to fedora | Aug 24 12:47 |
dpravec | | and who do not want to miss fav app test day | Aug 24 12:47 |
dpravec | | but who do not want much traffic | Aug 24 12:47 |
dpravec | | so i think we should create and use maillist fedora-test-announce | Aug 24 12:47 |
dpravec | | which will be used only for announcing test days | Aug 24 12:48 |
adamw | | not a bad idea... | Aug 24 12:48 |
adamw | | well, we could announce other things there too | Aug 24 12:48 |
Oxf13 | | Would it make sense to just re-use fedora-devel-announce ? | Aug 24 12:48 |
dpravec | | yes, just low traffic one | Aug 24 12:48 |
adamw | | test composes, alpha slips | Aug 24 12:48 |
Oxf13 | | I'm never really in favor of more mailing lists | Aug 24 12:48 |
adamw | | Oxf13: i think there might be value in a separate list | Aug 24 12:48 |
dpravec | | fedora-devel-announce is for developers | Aug 24 12:48 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: it was requested I stop posting test days to fedora-devel-announce during F11 | Aug 24 12:48 |
tk009 | | agree with 0xf13 | Aug 24 12:48 |
dpravec | | test could be for endusers | Aug 24 12:48 |
Oxf13 | | *shrug* | Aug 24 12:49 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: yeah :) | Aug 24 12:49 |
Oxf13 | | just make sure to do the same thing and subscribe fedora-test-list to fedora-test-announce | Aug 24 12:49 |
Oxf13 | | so that those of us on the rather quiet fedora-test-list can still get the announcements. | Aug 24 12:49 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: ah good point | Aug 24 12:49 |
jlaska | | fedoraproject.org has it's own mailman now right? | Aug 24 12:50 |
Oxf13 | | yeah | Aug 24 12:50 |
Oxf13 | | lists.fedoraproject.org | Aug 24 12:50 |
jlaska | | dpravec: do you want to handle creating the list or looking for someone else to grab that? | Aug 24 12:50 |
dpravec | | hmm can i create it? | Aug 24 12:50 |
jlaska | | I think you can request one ... https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo | Aug 24 12:51 |
dpravec | | i think i am not an admin of the mailman | Aug 24 12:51 |
dpravec | | ok | Aug 24 12:51 |
Oxf13 | | you can file the ticket to get a new one (: | Aug 24 12:51 |
dpravec | | i will do it | Aug 24 12:51 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: ah thanks | Aug 24 12:51 |
dpravec | | ticket? where? | Aug 24 12:51 |
jlaska | | dpravec: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report | Aug 24 12:51 |
jlaska | | perhaps try there? | Aug 24 12:52 |
dpravec | | ok | Aug 24 12:52 |
jlaska | | dpravec: nice suggestion, thank you! | Aug 24 12:52 |
jlaska | | #action dpravec to investigate creating fedora-test-announce mailing list for Test Days, other test events, schedule updates | Aug 24 12:52 |
jlaska | | okay next up ... | Aug 24 12:52 |
jlaska | | #topic Test Day updates - fit'n'finish printing | Aug 24 12:53 |
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jlaska | | just real quick here ... I didn't see how this event went | Aug 24 12:53 |
jlaska | | has anyone had a chance to chat w/ mclasen? | Aug 24 12:53 |
Oxf13 | | not about this | Aug 24 12:53 |
adamw | | me either, but i was around for some of the day, seemed to be going well | Aug 24 12:54 |
adamw | | mostly 'internal' - the fnf guys and the printing guys - but a few other testers did drop by | Aug 24 12:54 |
jlaska | | adamw: okay ... I'm hoping the format is still working to his benefit | Aug 24 12:54 |
jlaska | | #topic Test Day updates - ABRT | Aug 24 12:55 |
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jlaska | | another recap from last week | Aug 24 12:55 |
jlaska | | thanks dpravec and kparal for your efforts! | Aug 24 12:55 |
jlaska | | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-August/msg00609.html | Aug 24 12:55 |
dpravec | | it was a pleasure. | Aug 24 12:56 |
jlaska | | jmoskovc was quite pleased with the feedback this time | Aug 24 12:56 |
dpravec | | you are welcome :) | Aug 24 12:56 |
jlaska | | okay ... now for this weeks event ... | Aug 24 12:56 |
adamw | | good job on the post-report email too | Aug 24 12:56 |
adamw | | er, post-event email report :) | Aug 24 12:56 |
jlaska | | +1 | Aug 24 12:56 |
dpravec | | ty adamw... btw your script worked | Aug 24 12:57 |
dpravec | | but maybe , if i can | Aug 24 12:57 |
jlaska | | #topic Test Day updates - 2009-08-27 Dracut | Aug 24 12:57 |
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adamw | | don't dignify it with the name 'script' =) | Aug 24 12:57 |
jlaska | | dpravec: adamw is l33t | Aug 24 12:57 |
dpravec | | uff, so later in open arena | Aug 24 12:57 |
adamw | | you could turn it into one quite easily, so you could feed it a date and it'd grab the page without you having to bother | Aug 24 12:57 |
adamw | | i'm just too lazy to do it | Aug 24 12:57 |
dpravec | | jlaska: i can has script too | Aug 24 12:58 |
jlaska | | just a quick update on the dracut test day ... | Aug 24 12:58 |
jlaska | | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-08-27#Test | Aug 24 12:58 |
jlaska | | the 3 core test cases are already defined ... and I'm trying to organize the remaining data points harald wants feedback on around those | Aug 24 12:59 |
jlaska | | e.g. the different root= scenarios | Aug 24 12:59 |
jlaska | | hopefully will have a fair bit of that done this afternoon and ready for announce | Aug 24 12:59 |
jlaska | | if anyone has ideas or suggestions for improvement ... feel free to ping me after the meeting | Aug 24 12:59 |
jlaska | | the big thing is that harald just wants people to show up and either boot their F-11 systems using dracut ... or boot the live image ... and report back | Aug 24 13:00 |
jlaska | | #action jlaska will cleanup remaining test cases for dracut and send announcement | Aug 24 13:00 |
jlaska | | okay ... let's move on to open discussion ... | Aug 24 13:01 |
jlaska | | #topic open discussion - <your topic here> | Aug 24 13:01 |
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adamw | | alright, quickly: | Aug 24 13:01 |
jlaska | | adamw: go for it | Aug 24 13:01 |
adamw | | #topic nightly live builds | Aug 24 13:01 |
adamw | | grr, i have no power! you do it :) | Aug 24 13:01 |
jlaska | | #chair adamw | Aug 24 13:01 |
zodbot | | Current chairs: adamw jlaska | Aug 24 13:01 |
adamw | | #topic open discussion - nightly live builds | Aug 24 13:01 |
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adamw | | i think the nightly live builds are awesome and need to be widely heralded | Aug 24 13:02 |
jlaska | | excellent point | Aug 24 13:02 |
* | nirik looks up. | Aug 24 13:02 | |
* | jlaska prepares the trumpet | Aug 24 13:02 | |
adamw | | so i added a chunk to the rawhide wiki page about them - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide#Nightly_live_builds - and am going to try and spread the news to some news sites | Aug 24 13:02 |
adamw | | nirik: you rock! | Aug 24 13:02 |
nirik | | yeah, I haven't had time to do anything there. If someone wants to advertise, please feel free. ;) | Aug 24 13:02 |
adamw | | what would be great is if others could spread the word too | Aug 24 13:02 |
adamw | | if you blog, blog about it (you can just link to my blog post which will go up soon, or the wiki page, or whatever) | Aug 24 13:02 |
adamw | | tweetie-pie it | Aug 24 13:03 |
Oxf13 | | please be aware | Aug 24 13:03 |
adamw | | mention it on appropriate mailing lists or whatever | Aug 24 13:03 |
Oxf13 | | the more people you point at th enightly builds, the less people are going to be able to download them | Aug 24 13:03 |
adamw | | just want to make sure we have the word out about it | Aug 24 13:03 |
kparal | | how is it possible that it has x86_64 build when there is no x86_64 packages in rawhide repositories available in the last few days? | Aug 24 13:03 |
Oxf13 | | they are not mirrored, so this is a single point of resources | Aug 24 13:03 |
adamw | | Oxf13: if we start hitting capacity problems, we can try and provide more download resources | Aug 24 13:03 |
Oxf13 | | kparal: pardon? | Aug 24 13:03 |
Oxf13 | | adamw: that box is almost always at capacity | Aug 24 13:03 |
Oxf13 | | continuing to point large amounts of people to a single download source for large isos is just doing it wrong. | Aug 24 13:04 |
kparal | | Oxf13: maybe our local brno mirror problem, but for the last few days in rawhide repo there is only i386 stuff | Aug 24 13:04 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: adamw: mmcgrath has been helping to monitor any access issues for the stage url ... this is on the same box right? | Aug 24 13:04 |
Oxf13 | | jlaska: yes, same box | Aug 24 13:04 |
adamw | | Oxf13: i don't think there's much point in having nightly builds but not telling anyone about them because we don't have the capacity to serve them | Aug 24 13:04 |
Oxf13 | | I think. | Aug 24 13:04 |
Oxf13 | | nirik: the isos are being put on secondary1 right? | Aug 24 13:04 |
adamw | | it's just a waste of generation time if we're going to have to 'hide' them like that... | Aug 24 13:04 |
nirik | | Oxf13: yep. | Aug 24 13:04 |
Oxf13 | | adamw: ti's the classic live problem | Aug 24 13:04 |
Oxf13 | | A) they're big. B) they don't rsync well against older isos | Aug 24 13:04 |
* | nirik doesn't know the solution here, but is happy to do whatever he can to make them more accessable. | Aug 24 13:04 | |
nirik | | would deltaisos help any? | Aug 24 13:05 |
Oxf13 | | adamw: it's not a waste of generating them when automated tests can be ran on them, discovering things like size changes, package listing changes, etc... | Aug 24 13:05 |
Oxf13 | | nirik: no | Aug 24 13:05 |
Oxf13 | | nirik: live images are just an iso of one big squashfs file | Aug 24 13:05 |
nirik | | yeah. I haven't looked at how deltaisos work or if they would do any good here. | Aug 24 13:05 |
dpravec | | kparal: i see 1260 packages on nfs... | Aug 24 13:05 |
adamw | | Oxf13: well, to put it less negatively: there is a considerable potential benefit in having them widely available and it would be a shame to lose that due to resource issues which ought to be solveable | Aug 24 13:05 |
dpravec | | s/1260/18260/ | Aug 24 13:06 |
jlaska | | let's keep on using them ... and if we start to have problems getting them ... we can escalate with the infrastructure team | Aug 24 13:06 |
nirik | | so whats the solution? mirror them? | Aug 24 13:06 |
Oxf13 | | adamw: so I question this | Aug 24 13:06 |
Oxf13 | | adamw: what added benefit over rawhide do the live images have | Aug 24 13:06 |
dpravec | | aha, those are 08-19 | Aug 24 13:06 |
adamw | | Oxf13: testable without installing | Aug 24 13:06 |
Oxf13 | | that would be worth the resource costs to provide them on a single download source | Aug 24 13:06 |
adamw | | that's big enough all on its own | Aug 24 13:06 |
Oxf13 | | adamw: every single day? | Aug 24 13:07 |
Oxf13 | | would not weekly provide the same value? | Aug 24 13:07 |
adamw | | every day is good. weekly would work nearly as well. | Aug 24 13:07 |
Oxf13 | | (you know, like the weekly snapshots we're going to be doing, and putting on torrents) | Aug 24 13:07 |
adamw | | if weekly push is sufficient to address the bandwidth issue it's a compromise i could live with. | Aug 24 13:07 |
adamw | | i was not aware of the weekly torrent plan. where's that documented? | Aug 24 13:07 |
* | nirik doesn't care about weekly, but it was just easier to push them everytime they were composed. | Aug 24 13:07 | |
jlaska | | nightly live images might be a future benefit wecan offer for QA group membership | Aug 24 13:07 |
Oxf13 | | adamw: snapshot 1,2,3 have been in the schedule since the beginning | Aug 24 13:08 |
Oxf13 | | which are snapshots during the weeks between Alpha and Beta | Aug 24 13:08 |
Oxf13 | | the big motivation for having nightly live images was to track issues with composing | Aug 24 13:09 |
jlaska | | let's wrap up this topic ... | Aug 24 13:09 |
* | dpravec is having #topic bugzilla testday + testcase | Aug 24 13:09 | |
Oxf13 | | mainly size changes and new dep issues | Aug 24 13:09 |
jlaska | | does someone want to propose a different delivery mechanism for the live images? | Aug 24 13:09 |
adamw | | Oxf13: that's not really the same thing. it's only happening at a specific point in the cycle | Aug 24 13:09 |
adamw | | we didn't do weekly images pre-alpha, the schedule doesn't show them post-beta either | Aug 24 13:09 |
adamw | | unless it's changing for f13, if you look at the f12 cycle, from the start of f12 development until the first alpha test compose, there's no live image build scheduled | Aug 24 13:09 |
Oxf13 | | adamw: that's because the rate of change then is supposed to be small, so using the last point release and yum updating will get you the same state | Aug 24 13:10 |
dpravec | | jlaska: iam all for bittorent... | Aug 24 13:10 |
dpravec | | but thats not useable in some companie | Aug 24 13:10 |
adamw | | Oxf13: which you can't do live, practically speaking. | Aug 24 13:10 |
Oxf13 | | excuse me? | Aug 24 13:10 |
Oxf13 | | you most certainly can | Aug 24 13:10 |
jlaska | | okay gang | Aug 24 13:10 |
adamw | | Oxf13: not if you need to test a kernel update... | Aug 24 13:10 |
Oxf13 | | outside of say the kernel | Aug 24 13:10 |
adamw | | =) | Aug 24 13:10 |
adamw | | (or, practically speaking, udev) | Aug 24 13:10 |
Oxf13 | | which at this point really shouldn't be changing | Aug 24 13:10 |
Oxf13 | | or that point I should say | Aug 24 13:10 |
adamw | | and pre-alpha? | Aug 24 13:11 |
Oxf13 | | pre-alpha you're going to be lucky to get a working live image one a week, let alone once a day | Aug 24 13:11 |
dpravec | | heh, true | Aug 24 13:11 |
Oxf13 | | my point is that it's a giant waste of resources | Aug 24 13:11 |
Oxf13 | | for some benefit, but at a huge cost | Aug 24 13:11 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: whose resources are they? | Aug 24 13:12 |
Oxf13 | | we should be aware of the costs here and not just shrug and say "eh, we'll fix it whenever infra runs out of bits" | Aug 24 13:12 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: is this infrastructure team? | Aug 24 13:12 |
Oxf13 | | jlaska: bandwidth and disk IO | Aug 24 13:12 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: sorry, I meant who manages this and is responsible for it | Aug 24 13:12 |
Oxf13 | | as well as tester bandwidth thinking they need to download a new live image every day | Aug 24 13:12 |
Oxf13 | | Infrastructure is ultimately responsible | Aug 24 13:13 |
jlaska | | then lets talk to the experts so they can work up a solution or advise that this isn't doable with current resources? | Aug 24 13:13 |
jlaska | | I'll be happy to take this for next week ... unless someone else would like it? | Aug 24 13:14 |
Oxf13 | | yes, we should talk to them | Aug 24 13:14 |
Oxf13 | | but they really are too nice, they'll just let you consume everything they have (: | Aug 24 13:14 |
jlaska | | Oxf13: no ... last we discussed, they identified a threshold for bandwith for the RC images | Aug 24 13:14 |
jlaska | | and we talked about some possible next steps | Aug 24 13:14 |
jlaska | | #action jlaska to discuss bandwith implications of hosting nightly rawhide live images with fedora-infrastructure | Aug 24 13:15 |
jlaska | | #chair dpravec | Aug 24 13:15 |
zodbot | | Current chairs: adamw dpravec jlaska | Aug 24 13:15 |
jlaska | | dpravec: did you have a topic to discuss? | Aug 24 13:15 |
dpravec | | my next topic is related to bugzilla and test days | Aug 24 13:16 |
jlaska | | #topic open discussion - bugzilla and test days (dpravec) | Aug 24 13:16 |
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dpravec | | we need to get rid of tables with bug descriptions and links to bugzilla | Aug 24 13:16 |
dpravec | | do not repeat yourself (DRY) is important principle to be kept | Aug 24 13:16 |
dpravec | | it would be best to have own fields in bugzilla | Aug 24 13:16 |
dpravec | | TestCase and TestDay | Aug 24 13:17 |
dpravec | | which can be prefilled when you click near testace on 'report bug on this testcase' | Aug 24 13:17 |
dpravec | | so we can have everything live in bugzilla | Aug 24 13:17 |
dpravec | | i am not sure how to achieve this... but i would love to stop writing bugz into tables in wiki | Aug 24 13:17 |
adamw | | as i said when we discussed this before, we do have a results table layout for test days which is not a simple list of bugs | Aug 24 13:18 |
dpravec | | adamw: testcase could be a field | Aug 24 13:18 |
dpravec | | so you can get nice table from bugzilla | Aug 24 13:18 |
dpravec | | at least if i imagine it right | Aug 24 13:18 |
dpravec | | i am not using it for long | Aug 24 13:18 |
dpravec | | so i need help there | Aug 24 13:18 |
adamw | | see e.g. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-03-26_Nouveau#Results | Aug 24 13:18 |
adamw | | i think that may be possible _in theory_ but in practice would be rather complex... | Aug 24 13:18 |
adamw | | for a start we try to avoid non-trivial bugzilla customizations wherever possible | Aug 24 13:19 |
jlaska | | and bugzilla itself is fairly stand-off-ish for noobs | Aug 24 13:19 |
adamw | | you could have TestDay and TestCase keywords, but they have to be added to Bugzilla itself and i imagine it'd be a pain for the bz admins to do that every week | Aug 24 13:19 |
dpravec | | yes, but that is my another topic :) | Aug 24 13:19 |
dpravec | | (noobs x bugzilla) | Aug 24 13:19 |
adamw | | you could (ab)use the whiteboard space, but i'm not sure that can be pre-filled in a 'file a bug' link | Aug 24 13:19 |
adamw | | have to test that | Aug 24 13:19 |
dpravec | | we need to look out for solution | Aug 24 13:20 |
adamw | | there's also the rather tricky case that defining pass/fail is somewhat subjective and best left to humans | Aug 24 13:20 |
jlaska | | I think it's important to note that the wiki is our interim solution | Aug 24 13:20 |
adamw | | sometimes a human can see quite easily that a test _basically_ passed but there's a little problem with it | Aug 24 13:20 |
adamw | | so they list the test as a PASS but with a footnote link to a bug report | Aug 24 13:20 |
adamw | | it'd be a bit tough to automate that | Aug 24 13:20 |
jlaska | | there are other options out there ... and maybe some quick fixes to make the short-term more useful | Aug 24 13:20 |
adamw | | yep, that is also important: you mentioned a test case management system, we don't have one yet but we _want_ one :) | Aug 24 13:21 |
dpravec | | hmm we need a good test case management system... | Aug 24 13:21 |
wwoods | | see also: pony | Aug 24 13:21 |
dpravec | | pony? | Aug 24 13:21 |
jlaska | | for the sugar on a stick test day ... mchua and sdziallas were intending to demo semantic+mediawiki | Aug 24 13:21 |
adamw | | i think there's a good test case management system inside every pony | Aug 24 13:21 |
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* | sdziallas is here, waves. | Aug 24 13:22 | |
sdziallas | | jlaska: we're going for test cases at the moment... I created a wiki page about the day in general, but it still needs a lot of content from my side. | Aug 24 13:22 |
lmacken | | ooo... good liveusb-creator testing can come out of that too :) | Aug 24 13:23 |
dpravec | | pony=? | Aug 24 13:23 |
wwoods | | dpravec: heh, like "daddy, I want a pony" - just the standard joke for any time we start talking about things that everyone wants, but nobody actually has the time/money/skill to make it happen | Aug 24 13:23 |
adamw | | dpravec: it's a running geek/fedora joke | Aug 24 13:23 |
dpravec | | eh :) | Aug 24 13:24 |
adamw | | dpravec: the idea being that everyone wants something big and cool and awesome but doesn't think about the work involved in getting it | Aug 24 13:24 |
adamw | | thus 'i want a pony!' | Aug 24 13:24 |
wwoods | | http://i-want-a-pony.com/ | Aug 24 13:24 |
dpravec | | ok, i will start thinking how to acquire a pony for you :) | Aug 24 13:24 |
jlaska | | wwoods: awesome! | Aug 24 13:24 |
nanonyme | | Ponies mentioned. :) | Aug 24 13:24 |
jlaska | | dpravec: I'm always interested in simple improvements to the current wiki experience | Aug 24 13:25 |
dpravec | | oh i think i have seen it on some django presentation :) | Aug 24 13:25 |
jlaska | | dpravec: yeah, that's not available to us yet | Aug 24 13:25 |
dpravec | | hey but this can be easy | Aug 24 13:25 |
dpravec | | we do not need an elephant | Aug 24 13:25 |
lmacken | | dpravec: that's because django is the webframework for magical ponies with super powers :) | Aug 24 13:26 |
adamw | | dpravec: as jlaska said, if you can suggest a practical fairly easy change to the current wiki system, we're all ears - there's nothing set in stone about it, it's just something i bashed out a few months ago :) | Aug 24 13:26 |
dpravec | | i will try to some people about it and next week i will tell you if i can get a pony | Aug 24 13:26 |
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dpravec | | to talk* | Aug 24 13:26 |
jlaska | | okay ... let's wrap things up for today | Aug 24 13:26 |
jlaska | | jlaska bot self destructs after a 1.5 hour meeting | Aug 24 13:27 |
dpravec | | i love animals :) | Aug 24 13:27 |
jlaska | | dpravec: haha | Aug 24 13:27 |
jlaska | | okay gang ... anything else that can be said in 30 seconds ? | Aug 24 13:27 |
dpravec | | i will keep that for next week :) | Aug 24 13:28 |
adamw | | i hate gigabyte! | Aug 24 13:28 |
adamw | | sorry, needed to get that out of my system =) | Aug 24 13:28 |
nanonyme | | Btw, one question: how much locked up is Rawhide atm? Kernel driver features put on freeze? | Aug 24 13:28 |
jlaska | | nanonyme: I believe the flood gates are open again | Aug 24 13:28 |
wwoods | | not for features | Aug 24 13:28 |
wwoods | | just for builds | Aug 24 13:28 |
jlaska | | nanonyme: yes, as wwoods said | Aug 24 13:28 |
nanonyme | | Right... | Aug 24 13:28 |
* | nirik upgraded his laptop to rawhide this weekend. Went very smoothly. | Aug 24 13:29 | |
jlaska | | 40 seconds till detonation ... | Aug 24 13:29 |
* | dpravec upgraded to testing, with kde 3.0 | Aug 24 13:29 | |
nanonyme | | Just wondering if KMS parts or 3D parts of DRM for new ATi cards would get into the release. Probably not? | Aug 24 13:29 |
dpravec | | eh 4.3.x | Aug 24 13:29 |
adamw | | nanonyme: they're probably in there already, fedora kernel runs ahead of upstream in that respect. | Aug 24 13:29 |
dpravec | | jlaska: happy post-detonation :) | Aug 24 13:30 |
adamw | | nanonyme: if not yet they almost certainly will be, graphics stuff is generally pushed in quite late, right up to beta freeze. | Aug 24 13:30 |
adamw | | nanonyme: i believe kms for later radeons has been in for a while but is disabled by default for safety, you can force radeon.modeset=1 to test it. not sure if that's changing for f12, have to check with airlied. | Aug 24 13:30 |
nanonyme | | adamw: 3D parts are in one developer's own DRM git tree, current KMS parts are just getting looked through by airlied. | Aug 24 13:30 |
adamw | | nanonyme: ok. as i said, graphics stuff generally keeps getting pushed in till quite late, i'd be surprised if they stop updating it now. | Aug 24 13:31 |
jlaska | | okay folks ... let's close it out for today | Aug 24 13:31 |
nanonyme | | adamw: The thing in Rawhide can't do X atm but I've heard what the developers have is further. | Aug 24 13:31 |
jlaska | | we can continue over in #fedora-qa and on the list | Aug 24 13:31 |
nanonyme | | Right. Thanks. | Aug 24 13:31 |
jlaska | | thanks everyone for your time! | Aug 24 13:31 |
adamw | | nanonyme: you can always ask airlied directly if you find him active, he doesn't bite :) | Aug 24 13:31 |
jlaska | | #endmeeting | Aug 24 13:31 |
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sdziallas | | lmacken: sorry, I'm more around now... well, we could put liveusb-creator testing in the test case for creating the usb key. | Aug 24 13:39 |
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