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** ''REVIEWED'' - [[rhbug:490001|490001]] -  Review Request: mediawiki-semantic - The semantic extension to mediawiki  
** ''REVIEWED'' - [[rhbug:490001|490001]] -  Review Request: mediawiki-semantic - The semantic extension to mediawiki  
** ''UNDER REVIEW'' - [[rhbug:490171|490171]] -  Review Request: mediawiki-semantic-forms - An extension to MediaWiki that adds support for web-based forms
** ''UNDER REVIEW'' - [[rhbug:490171|490171]] -  Review Request: mediawiki-semantic-forms - An extension to MediaWiki that adds support for web-based forms
** [[User:tibbs]] posted some additional concerns for ''mediawiki-semantic-forms'' around licensing which I haven't followed up on yet
*** [[User:tibbs]] posted some additional concerns for ''mediawiki-semantic-forms'' around licensing which I haven't followed up on yet
*** request infrastructure hosting
*** request infrastructure hosting


* [f13+wwoods] - autoqa status update  
* [f13+wwoods] - autoqa status update  
** wwoods checked in an initial verifytree test case
** f13 hoping to make a watcher for post-tree-compose
** Next steps ...
**# focus on the tree based tests
**# figuring out better reporting for the existing tests


* [adamw] - schedule radeon test day
* [adamw] - schedule radeon test day
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= F-11-Beta - who/what/when/where/why? =
= F-11-Beta - who/what/when/where/why? =
The beta was released!  See announcement from Jesse Keating - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-March/msg01262.html


* Useful links:
* Useful links:
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** '''Beta release notes''' - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Beta_release_notes
** '''Beta release notes''' - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Beta_release_notes


* AdamW confirmed with JesseKeating that the F11Beta bug triage efforts were effective
= Open discussion =
 
== F11Beta blocking bugs ==
 
* Much of the last week was spent
 
== Building the Beta Known issues ==
* Main issues so far include:
*# Previous disk partition layout problems
*# Upgrade testing issues
*# Kickstart installs fragile
 
* AdamW noted that we might not be communicating the known issues effectively since a lot of Alpha testers didn't know about the rpm issue
** Make each known issue a unique section header in the wiki
** Should anaconda display release notes again (or pull down release notes from an html page)?
** Perhaps a desktop menu link for release notes (see fedora-release-notes package)
** Does firefox include the release notes link? (see fedora-release-notes package)
** Result - QA team must internally reference the Beta release notes known issues in all IRC and email communication.
 
== The Beta RC Process ==


* Jlaska asked to discuss the Beta RC build, test and release process
== F10 syslinux package ==
** What information does JesseKeating need to release the bits to the mirrors - confirmation of the anaconda-devel beta readiness criteria
livecd-iso-to-disk is failing on F10 systems when trying to create F11 live images.  A lot of Test Day
** When do we have to get that feedback in? - Meet Friday around noon in #fedora-qa to provide test feedback


* AdamW asked if it's possible to open up RC testing to a wider audience?
== Schedule Change proposal ==
** we tried in the past, but it flooded the download site and no one could test
Wwoods provided an update on the initial schedule proposal raised in the previous meeting.  After discussion and research, concluded this effort is not worth continuing.  Instead, time should be spent on better tools for testing and reporting, so we can do more efficient testing.
** Would be good to engage people, perhaps time better spent engaging during Rawhide cycle for testing Rawhide


* Jlaska suggested we gather in #fedora-qa on Friday afternoon to discuss RC test feedback
== Communication of Beta Known Issues ==
** JesseKeating recommended we invite the anaconda-devel team


= Open discussion =
* jlaska asked how well we are holding up with our conclusion from the [[QA/Meetings/20090325#Building_the_Beta_Known_issues|previous week]]. 
* Adamw suggested that while the announcement links to the release notes, it doesn't specify the Known issues.  Perhaps this could change for future milestones (check-in with Rahul)?
* Wwoods reminded us about Warren Togami's rawhide status blog - http://rawhidewatch.wordpress.com/


== Development Schedule Proposal ==
== Fedora Calendaring System ==
Wwoods introduced a new Fedora release schedule concept - lengthen the development/test cycle beyond 6 months


** introduce a two-month beta period after the normal 6-month development cycle --> rawhide branch
Adamw noted that the infrastructure team is moving closer to infrastructure hosted calendaring system.  More details on fedora-infrastructure-list (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2009-March/msg00266.html).
** AdamW reminded that the reason we have stable releases at all is to have 'checkpoints' for major changes like the rpm checksum issue, hence our release schedule should match the heckpoints
** Several ideas/concerns were raised.  WWoods will review current proposal and open up for feedback post-beta.
*** http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/schedule.html
*** http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/images/fedora-ideal-schedules.png


= Upcoming QA events =
= Upcoming QA events =
* 2009-03-26 - [[QA/Test_Days/2009-03-26|Nouveau Test Day]]
* 2009-03-31 - [[BugZappers/Triage_days|BugZapper Triage Day]]
* 2009-04-02 - [[QA/Test_Days/2009-04-02|Power Management Test Day]]
* 2009-04-02 - [[QA/Test_Days/2009-04-02|Power Management Test Day]]
* 2009-04-07 - [[Test_Day:2009-04-07|Anaconda Storage Rewrite Part#2]]
* 2009-04-09 - [[Test_Day:2009-04-09|UEFI]]


= Action items =
= Action items =
* [f13+wwoods] - autoqa status update
* [wwoods] - autoqa: work on better (clearer) reporting from existing tests
* [adamw] - schedule radeon test day
* [f13] - autoqa: work on monitor for post-tree-compose
* [jlaska] - copy F11 beta test results wiki changes into the wiki template (several test case additions)
* [adamw] - will file a F10 bug for the syslinux issue, initiate discussion with pjones or jeremy for building a updated F10 package
* [wwoods] - to add some upgrade test cases to the beta results page (and template)
* [jlaska] - check-in with Warren Togami on the rawhidewatch blog ... can Fedora QA help ... what is his vision?
* [jlaska] - add Beta known issues for previous disk contents, kickstart issues, KVM NAT networking problems (use static ip)
* [jlaska+wwoods] - discuss integration between lab-in-a-box and autoqa
* [wwoods] - document any upgrade issues in the Beta release notes
* [jlaska] - setup meeting to review RC test results for Friday afternoon to include release engineering (JesseKeating) and anaconda-devel and any RC testers.


= Next QA meeting =
= Next QA meeting =


The next meeting will be held on [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=4&day=1&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=207&p2=204 2009-04-01 16:00 UTC]
The next meeting will be held on [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=4&day=8&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=207&p2=204 2009-04-08 16:00 UTC]


= IRC Transcript =
= IRC Transcript =

Revision as of 17:13, 1 April 2009

Attendees

  • Will Woods (wwoods)
  • Adam Williamson (adamw)
  • James Laska (jlaska)
  • Jóhann Guðmundsson (viking_ice)
  • Jesse Keating (f13)

Previous meeting follow-up

  • [jlaska+adamw] mediawiki semantic update (packaging and hosting)
    • REVIEWED - 490001 - Review Request: mediawiki-semantic - The semantic extension to mediawiki
    • UNDER REVIEW - 490171 - Review Request: mediawiki-semantic-forms - An extension to MediaWiki that adds support for web-based forms
      • User:tibbs posted some additional concerns for mediawiki-semantic-forms around licensing which I haven't followed up on yet
      • request infrastructure hosting
  • [f13+wwoods] - autoqa status update
    • wwoods checked in an initial verifytree test case
    • f13 hoping to make a watcher for post-tree-compose
    • Next steps ...
      1. focus on the tree based tests
      2. figuring out better reporting for the existing tests
  • [wwoods] - to add some upgrade test cases to the beta results page (and template)
    • No upgrade cases added yet
  • [wwoods] - document any upgrade issues in the Beta release notes
    • Bug#492516 added to release notes

F-11-Beta - who/what/when/where/why?

The beta was released! See announcement from Jesse Keating - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-March/msg01262.html

Open discussion

F10 syslinux package

livecd-iso-to-disk is failing on F10 systems when trying to create F11 live images. A lot of Test Day

Schedule Change proposal

Wwoods provided an update on the initial schedule proposal raised in the previous meeting. After discussion and research, concluded this effort is not worth continuing. Instead, time should be spent on better tools for testing and reporting, so we can do more efficient testing.

Communication of Beta Known Issues

  • jlaska asked how well we are holding up with our conclusion from the previous week.
  • Adamw suggested that while the announcement links to the release notes, it doesn't specify the Known issues. Perhaps this could change for future milestones (check-in with Rahul)?
  • Wwoods reminded us about Warren Togami's rawhide status blog - http://rawhidewatch.wordpress.com/

Fedora Calendaring System

Adamw noted that the infrastructure team is moving closer to infrastructure hosted calendaring system. More details on fedora-infrastructure-list (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2009-March/msg00266.html).

Upcoming QA events

Action items

  • [wwoods] - autoqa: work on better (clearer) reporting from existing tests
  • [f13] - autoqa: work on monitor for post-tree-compose
  • [adamw] - will file a F10 bug for the syslinux issue, initiate discussion with pjones or jeremy for building a updated F10 package
  • [jlaska] - check-in with Warren Togami on the rawhidewatch blog ... can Fedora QA help ... what is his vision?
  • [jlaska+wwoods] - discuss integration between lab-in-a-box and autoqa

Next QA meeting

The next meeting will be held on 2009-04-08 16:00 UTC

IRC Transcript

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