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Contributing Writer: [[NicuBuculei|Nicu Buculei]]
Contributing Writer: [[NicuBuculei|Nicu Buculei]]


=== Art Schedule for Fedora 10 ===
=== How to select a "winning" theme ===


[[JohnPoelstra]] showed[1] on @fedora-art a tentative schedule[2]for the Artwork activities and asked for help with it: "1) Which tasks no longer apply and should be removed 2) New tasks which should be added 3) Existing tasks that are wrong"
[[MairinDuffy]] opened[1] a debate on @fedora-art about the best way to select the final theme in a release: "We have not yet had a case where more than one theme met this basic requirement. In case we do have multiple themes that meet this requirement, we need a fair method to choose which theme is selected as the default" and going further, she proposed a solution and asked for opinions: "My suggestion is that we have a vote within the set of active Fedora art team contributors. The problem is how do we determine who is allowed in this vote - who is active? "


[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00388.html
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00095.html


[2] http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-art-tasks.html
[[SamueleStorari]] opted[2] for a wide vote in the community "I think the vote will be totally open to the whole community." arguing that "the graphic it's made for all, think about art, think about expression, it comes from the inside need of someone to express to other, to comunicate.", an opinion endorsed by [[MariaLeandro]][3] and [[IanWeller]] who proposed[4] an alternate and complex system "Or, perhaps even better, take a two-part voting approach; 50% of the vote allocated to current Art Team members (recent contributions, 6 months, yada yada) and 50% for the community."


He received corrections about dates from [[MairinDuffy]][3] and tasks from [[NicuBuculei]][4]
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00099.html


[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00390.html
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00105.html


[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00001.html
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00114.html


=== Working on a Sound Theme ===
On the other hand, [[NicuBuculei]] opposed[5] the community vote invoking the competence "the trouble is that the large community knows little about usability and good design", an opinion similar with that exposed[6] by [[MatthiasClasen]] "Taste is not something that can be decided with simple majority. Voting for the default theme would pretty much devolve into 'which is the coolest looking background when glancing at a bunch of screenshots', which is not at all what a good default theme is about. This forum is the place for qualified and interested people to work on the art that makes up the default theme. It should also be the place where the default theme gets put together."


[[ChrisNorman]] uploaded[1] a first preview of a new desktop sound theme created for Fedora and he received[2] some feedback about length and content from [[NicuBuculei]]: "I am not sure about speaking the English word 'attention' - some people not speaking English may not be that happy. And maybe, just maybe, a few sounds, like 'window-close.wav' are a bit too long".
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00101.html


[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00012.html
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00116.html


[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00013.html
Another argument against a community-wide vote was raised[7] by [[MairinDuffy]] "we don't really have time to plan for a Fedora-wide vote, and since there's not much time to wait on people to vote and to get the word out, we won't have a good representation of our base in the vote results."


=== Echo Icon Theme as a Fedora 10 Feature ===
[7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00106.html


[[LuyaTshimbalanga]] reported[1] about FESCO acceptance of the new Echo icon set as a default in Fedora 10: "Fesco has accepted echo-icon-theme as default icon theme for Fedora 10.[1]
From his position as a Fedora Board member, [[JeffSpaleta]] was coming to a conclusion "I consider the multiple rounds of
Which means we need to push harder to include as many icons as possible using
discussion over the themes as a prolonged 'community' decision. The final artwork decision is a culminating event in a process. Are people
guideline and echo-artist tool now available on rawhide and is waiting for
encouraged to participate in the earlier stages of that process as part of the art team? if they choose not to participate in the previous rounds do they have the context to make informed decisions at the final stage?  Have they earned the right to be a part of the final
people to get them on both Fedora 8 and 9"
decision?  I'm not sure they do."


[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00028.html
[8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00111.html


[[MatthiasClasen]] outlined[2] the importance of having Echo as a default in the upcoming beta release "I think we need to act quickly to make Echo the default for the beta, to test the waters before F10" and soon after that he operated the change[3].
As a solution to get he themes as soon as possible in the hand of the users and receive early feedback, [[MairinDuffy]] issued a last-minute call[9] for packaging the current proposals into Fedora 10 Beta "if we could get a package put together with the wallpapers that are in the running so far it could make the Beta." The call answered quickly by [[MartinSourada]] [10], who created the packages.The packages were reviewed and are already available in Rawhide.


[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00044.html
[9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00123.html


[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00056.html
[10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00137.html
 
[[MartinSourada]] noted that the feature depends on the icon coverage "Just a note that Fesco (and many art team members as well) has some concerns about coverage. Simply said if we don't achieve the Mist/gnome icon themes coverage, we'll be rolled back to Mist and wait for another
release" and offered to mentor new contributors.
 
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00031.html
 
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00069.html

Revision as of 12:30, 12 September 2008

Artwork

In this section, we cover the Fedora Artwork Project.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork

Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei

How to select a "winning" theme

MairinDuffy opened[1] a debate on @fedora-art about the best way to select the final theme in a release: "We have not yet had a case where more than one theme met this basic requirement. In case we do have multiple themes that meet this requirement, we need a fair method to choose which theme is selected as the default" and going further, she proposed a solution and asked for opinions: "My suggestion is that we have a vote within the set of active Fedora art team contributors. The problem is how do we determine who is allowed in this vote - who is active? "

[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00095.html

SamueleStorari opted[2] for a wide vote in the community "I think the vote will be totally open to the whole community." arguing that "the graphic it's made for all, think about art, think about expression, it comes from the inside need of someone to express to other, to comunicate.", an opinion endorsed by MariaLeandro[3] and IanWeller who proposed[4] an alternate and complex system "Or, perhaps even better, take a two-part voting approach; 50% of the vote allocated to current Art Team members (recent contributions, 6 months, yada yada) and 50% for the community."

[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00099.html

[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00105.html

[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00114.html

On the other hand, NicuBuculei opposed[5] the community vote invoking the competence "the trouble is that the large community knows little about usability and good design", an opinion similar with that exposed[6] by MatthiasClasen "Taste is not something that can be decided with simple majority. Voting for the default theme would pretty much devolve into 'which is the coolest looking background when glancing at a bunch of screenshots', which is not at all what a good default theme is about. This forum is the place for qualified and interested people to work on the art that makes up the default theme. It should also be the place where the default theme gets put together."

[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00101.html

[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00116.html

Another argument against a community-wide vote was raised[7] by MairinDuffy "we don't really have time to plan for a Fedora-wide vote, and since there's not much time to wait on people to vote and to get the word out, we won't have a good representation of our base in the vote results."

[7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00106.html

From his position as a Fedora Board member, JeffSpaleta was coming to a conclusion "I consider the multiple rounds of discussion over the themes as a prolonged 'community' decision. The final artwork decision is a culminating event in a process. Are people encouraged to participate in the earlier stages of that process as part of the art team? if they choose not to participate in the previous rounds do they have the context to make informed decisions at the final stage? Have they earned the right to be a part of the final decision? I'm not sure they do."

[8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00111.html

As a solution to get he themes as soon as possible in the hand of the users and receive early feedback, MairinDuffy issued a last-minute call[9] for packaging the current proposals into Fedora 10 Beta "if we could get a package put together with the wallpapers that are in the running so far it could make the Beta." The call answered quickly by MartinSourada [10], who created the packages.The packages were reviewed and are already available in Rawhide.

[9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00123.html

[10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00137.html

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