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[http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=5&day=12&year=2009&hour=5&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 2009-05-12 0500 UTC] on #fedora-meeting at Freenode
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== Agenda ==
== Agenda ==
* bugs ([[Features/IBus]])
* bugs ([[Features/IBus]])
** testing blocker https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490143
** testing blocker https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490143
** [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=component&type0-0-0=regexp&value0-0-0=^ibus*&bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO,MODIFIED bug list]
** [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=component&type0-0-0=regexp&value0-0-0=^ibus.*&bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO,MODIFIED bug list]
* [[Test_Days:IBus]]
* [[Test_Days:IBus]]
** https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/14
** https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/14
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== Summary==
== Summary==


=== Action Items ===
== Log ==
{|
|- id="tApr 30 14:57:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | [[I18N/IBus/Meetings/2009-04-30]]
|| [[#tApr 30 14:57:06|Apr 30 14:57]]
|- id="tApr 30 14:59:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ping phuang, tagoh3, dychen_, Kaio, paragn
|| [[#tApr 30 14:59:43|Apr 30 14:59]]
|- id="tApr 30 14:59:51"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | pong
|| [[#tApr 30 14:59:51|Apr 30 14:59]]
|- id="tApr 30 14:59:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen_
| style="color: #818144" | pong juhp
|| [[#tApr 30 14:59:55|Apr 30 14:59]]
|- id="tApr 30 14:59:56"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | hi
|| [[#tApr 30 14:59:56|Apr 30 14:59]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:01:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ibus meeting time!
|| [[#tApr 30 15:01:26|Apr 30 15:01]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:01:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I made an agenda page - see above ^
|| [[#tApr 30 15:01:46|Apr 30 15:01]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:02:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | shall we get started then :)
|| [[#tApr 30 15:02:19|Apr 30 15:02]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:02:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | #  bugs (Features/IBus)
|| [[#tApr 30 15:02:32|Apr 30 15:02]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:02:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" |    * testing blocker https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490143
|| [[#tApr 30 15:02:32|Apr 30 15:02]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:02:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" |    * bug list
|| [[#tApr 30 15:02:32|Apr 30 15:02]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:02:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone tested gnome-keyring with ibus in rawhide?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:02:52|Apr 30 15:02]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:03:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: I guess you tested it when you fixed it? :)
|| [[#tApr 30 15:03:14|Apr 30 15:03]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:03:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | nice to test again but no steps in bug....
|| [[#tApr 30 15:03:36|Apr 30 15:03]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:03:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | perhaps we should just close it, dunno?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:03:44|Apr 30 15:03]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:03:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | (currently modified)
|| [[#tApr 30 15:03:53|Apr 30 15:03]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:04:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone there? ;o)
|| [[#tApr 30 15:04:07|Apr 30 15:04]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:04:09"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, I did not test it.
|| [[#tApr 30 15:04:09|Apr 30 15:04]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:04:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ah
|| [[#tApr 30 15:04:12|Apr 30 15:04]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:04:40"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, Just follows Matthias Clasen suggestion and modified the code
|| [[#tApr 30 15:04:40|Apr 30 15:04]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:05:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: guess it really just reduced down to socket path issue?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:05:09|Apr 30 15:05]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:05:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: guess you haven't tested yet?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:05:36|Apr 30 15:05]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:05:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I am not completely sure on the steps
|| [[#tApr 30 15:05:44|Apr 30 15:05]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:05:55"
! style="background-color: #488888" | paragn
| style="color: #488888" | hi
|| [[#tApr 30 15:05:55|Apr 30 15:05]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:05:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but tried a little
|| [[#tApr 30 15:05:55|Apr 30 15:05]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:06:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: a little
|| [[#tApr 30 15:06:07|Apr 30 15:06]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:06:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: so better now?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:06:25|Apr 30 15:06]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:07:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | given that it was "(none)" guess it should be fixed now with all the socket path changes
|| [[#tApr 30 15:07:01|Apr 30 15:07]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:07:05"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, In comment #3, it also need some modify in gnome-keyring. I am not sure if it already land in f11
|| [[#tApr 30 15:07:05|Apr 30 15:07]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:07:18"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: will do more testing and update later.
|| [[#tApr 30 15:07:18|Apr 30 15:07]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:07:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | well (null)
|| [[#tApr 30 15:07:23|Apr 30 15:07]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:08:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: hmm ok - that should be in a separate bug really
|| [[#tApr 30 15:08:19|Apr 30 15:08]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:08:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | okay thanks
|| [[#tApr 30 15:08:28|Apr 30 15:08]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:08:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | let move on then
|| [[#tApr 30 15:08:31|Apr 30 15:08]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:08:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | 's
|| [[#tApr 30 15:08:35|Apr 30 15:08]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:08:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=component&amp;type0-0-0=regexp&amp;value0-0-0=^ibus*&amp;bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO
|| [[#tApr 30 15:08:57|Apr 30 15:08]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:09:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | (not quite why those ibutils packages are getting included - nm)
|| [[#tApr 30 15:09:31|Apr 30 15:09]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:09:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe I better hardcode the package list again
|| [[#tApr 30 15:09:53|Apr 30 15:09]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:10:34"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: because s* means 0 or more repeated?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:10:34|Apr 30 15:10]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:10:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: ah
|| [[#tApr 30 15:10:52|Apr 30 15:10]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:11:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: thanks
|| [[#tApr 30 15:11:08|Apr 30 15:11]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:11:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=component&amp;type0-0-0=regexp&amp;value0-0-0=^ibus.*&amp;bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO
|| [[#tApr 30 15:11:20|Apr 30 15:11]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:12:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: seems fr translation update available
|| [[#tApr 30 15:12:54|Apr 30 15:12]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:13:31"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, I have update it in source tree. But do not build it for fedora
|| [[#tApr 30 15:13:31|Apr 30 15:13]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:14:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498043
|| [[#tApr 30 15:14:04|Apr 30 15:14]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:14:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | :)
|| [[#tApr 30 15:14:07|Apr 30 15:14]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:14:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: nice to tell the translator that it has been committed upstream then :)
|| [[#tApr 30 15:14:32|Apr 30 15:14]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:14:36"
| colspan="2" | --&gt;asgeirf (n=asgeirf@nat/redhat/x-24893a67a76108e5) has joined #fedora-i18n
|| [[#tApr 30 15:14:36|Apr 30 15:14]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:14:46"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, ok
|| [[#tApr 30 15:14:46|Apr 30 15:14]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:15:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | not sure what to do about openoffice.org Alt-`
|| [[#tApr 30 15:15:07|Apr 30 15:15]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:15:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: any thoughts?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:15:18|Apr 30 15:15]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:15:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | guess it only affects "US" Japanese users though
|| [[#tApr 30 15:15:39|Apr 30 15:15]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:15:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm
|| [[#tApr 30 15:15:46|Apr 30 15:15]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:15:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe we can leave for now and see what others say
|| [[#tApr 30 15:15:59|Apr 30 15:15]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:15:59"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: aha
|| [[#tApr 30 15:15:59|Apr 30 15:15]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:16:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | surely same problem for scim no?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:16:09|Apr 30 15:16]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:16:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway don't see any critical new bugs
|| [[#tApr 30 15:16:42|Apr 30 15:16]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:17:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: thanks for fixing japanese wide space issue - had missed that
|| [[#tApr 30 15:17:06|Apr 30 15:17]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:17:08"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | it would be a known who-acts-with-meta-key-first issue I suppose..
|| [[#tApr 30 15:17:08|Apr 30 15:17]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:17:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah
|| [[#tApr 30 15:17:16|Apr 30 15:17]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:17:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: or would it be better under scim?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:17:30|Apr 30 15:17]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:17:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | since it snoops keys?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:17:43|Apr 30 15:17]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:17:59"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | I think so
|| [[#tApr 30 15:17:59|Apr 30 15:17]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:18:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm
|| [[#tApr 30 15:18:04|Apr 30 15:18]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:18:10"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, ibus already uses snooper for keys
|| [[#tApr 30 15:18:10|Apr 30 15:18]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:18:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ah
|| [[#tApr 30 15:18:39|Apr 30 15:18]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:18:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#tApr 30 15:18:48|Apr 30 15:18]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:18:49"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | since when?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:18:49|Apr 30 15:18]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:19:19"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | tagoh3, I am not sure, but two or three weeks ago
|| [[#tApr 30 15:19:19|Apr 30 15:19]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:19:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm actually I can reproduce
|| [[#tApr 30 15:19:48|Apr 30 15:19]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:19:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe I am missing something
|| [[#tApr 30 15:19:56|Apr 30 15:19]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:19:58"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, guess many openoffice uses other gui toolkit, and it will filter keyevents before gdk
|| [[#tApr 30 15:19:58|Apr 30 15:19]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:20:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | in vm anyway
|| [[#tApr 30 15:20:00|Apr 30 15:20]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:20:05"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | s/many/maybe/
|| [[#tApr 30 15:20:05|Apr 30 15:20]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:20:06"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | if the version reported has that feature, that means the problem still exists.
|| [[#tApr 30 15:20:06|Apr 30 15:20]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:20:16"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | tagoh3, ic
|| [[#tApr 30 15:20:16|Apr 30 15:20]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:20:41"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | phuang: on GNOME, they use gtk+ for event handling.
|| [[#tApr 30 15:20:41|Apr 30 15:20]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:21:26"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | tagoh3, yeah. but it does not use gtk menu bar. So it will handle the alt by different way
|| [[#tApr 30 15:21:26|Apr 30 15:21]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:21:33"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | maybe by snooper too
|| [[#tApr 30 15:21:33|Apr 30 15:21]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:22:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway please try to reproduce - I can't yet anyway
|| [[#tApr 30 15:22:10|Apr 30 15:22]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:22:49"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | phuang: maybe
|| [[#tApr 30 15:22:49|Apr 30 15:22]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:23:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#tApr 30 15:23:03|Apr 30 15:23]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:23:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | let's move on
|| [[#tApr 30 15:23:07|Apr 30 15:23]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:23:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | [[Test_Days:IBus]]
|| [[#tApr 30 15:23:29|Apr 30 15:23]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:23:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | our QA test day is now coming up in two weeks so we really need to get ready for that
|| [[#tApr 30 15:23:54|Apr 30 15:23]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:24:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | there was an update in the QA ticket:
|| [[#tApr 30 15:24:10|Apr 30 15:24]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:25:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/14#comment:4
|| [[#tApr 30 15:25:27|Apr 30 15:25]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:27:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | [jlaska]    - Announce event to fedora-{devel,test}-list@redhat.com
|| [[#tApr 30 15:27:07|Apr 30 15:27]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:27:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | [      ]    - Announce event to ibus community list(s)
|| [[#tApr 30 15:27:07|Apr 30 15:27]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:27:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | [jlaska]    - Reach out to Red Hat and Fedora i18n teams
|| [[#tApr 30 15:27:07|Apr 30 15:27]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:27:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | [      ]    - Prepare wiki-style test cases [1], [2]
|| [[#tApr 30 15:27:07|Apr 30 15:27]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:29:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think we need to include fedora-i18n-list and the translators too
|| [[#tApr 30 15:29:07|Apr 30 15:29]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:29:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | on the fedora side
|| [[#tApr 30 15:29:10|Apr 30 15:29]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:29:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: can you make an announcement when we are ready at least to ibus mailing lists about the test event?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:29:45|Apr 30 15:29]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:30:07"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | ok
|| [[#tApr 30 15:30:07|Apr 30 15:30]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:30:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: are we missing any other obvious places?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:30:18|Apr 30 15:30]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:31:03"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: how about posting an announcement to fedora-trans-*?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:31:03|Apr 30 15:31]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:31:06"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | I will forward the announce to ibus discuss groups.
|| [[#tApr 30 15:31:06|Apr 30 15:31]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:31:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: yup
|| [[#tApr 30 15:31:12|Apr 30 15:31]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:31:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: sounds good
|| [[#tApr 30 15:31:19|Apr 30 15:31]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:32:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: can you coordinate -* ? :)
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|- id="tApr 30 15:33:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | guess we need CIJK teams headsup
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|- id="tApr 30 15:33:23"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | sure - nod
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|- id="tApr 30 15:33:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I had only thought of fedora-trans-list
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! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | dunno if every translators are supposed to join it? if yes, it would be sufficient
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|- id="tApr 30 15:36:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | mm - well I doubt all will - but doesn't hurt to mention it there at least
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so main preparation left is the test cases
|| [[#tApr 30 15:38:17|Apr 30 15:38]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:40:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm should we hammer them out now or do another meeting for that tomorrow?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:40:12|Apr 30 15:40]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:42:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | well let's have a look now and it takes to long we can break out to another meeting to complete it
|| [[#tApr 30 15:42:29|Apr 30 15:42]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:42:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | if it takes
|| [[#tApr 30 15:42:37|Apr 30 15:42]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:42:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | too
|| [[#tApr 30 15:42:45|Apr 30 15:42]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:42:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ..
|| [[#tApr 30 15:42:46|Apr 30 15:42]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:43:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | [[Test_Day:2009-03-26_Nouveau#Test]] is an example
|| [[#tApr 30 15:43:50|Apr 30 15:43]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:44:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so i guess we want to replace my text in the table with links to a few explicit testcases
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so I am thinking we need few testcases:
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|- id="tApr 30 15:50:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | 1) enable ibus with imsettings
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | 2) select/start one's IME
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|- id="tApr 30 15:50:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | 3) input in firefox
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | 4) input in gedit
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | 5) input in pidgin
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | 6) input in openoffice
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | 7) input in lokalize?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | 8) kate or other KDE apps
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | other desktops?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:52:43|Apr 30 15:52]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:53:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | or maybe result should include the used desktop
|| [[#tApr 30 15:53:02|Apr 30 15:53]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:53:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | otherwise too many permutations I think
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|- id="tApr 30 15:53:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ah many IMEs
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|- id="tApr 30 15:53:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm bit complex
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! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen_
| style="color: #818144" | juhp: How about java and flash?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:53:55|Apr 30 15:53]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:54:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | apps x locale x IME x desktop
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|- id="tApr 30 15:54:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen_: good idea
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|- id="tApr 30 15:54:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen_: any applet in mind?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:54:34|Apr 30 15:54]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:54:52"
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen_
| style="color: #818144" | eclipse?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:54:52|Apr 30 15:54]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:54:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | there is also eclipse etc - we could have a misc/other category perhaps
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|- id="tApr 30 15:55:01"
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen_
| style="color: #818144" | And jabref maybe.
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|- id="tApr 30 15:55:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen_: who?
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|- id="tApr 30 15:55:45"
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen_
| style="color: #818144" | jabref is a java bibliographic manager.
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|- id="tApr 30 15:56:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen_: seems a bit obscure?
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|- id="tApr 30 15:56:26"
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen_
| style="color: #818144" | Right, just stick on eclipse.
|| [[#tApr 30 15:56:26|Apr 30 15:56]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:56:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think we have two many permutations
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|- id="tApr 30 15:57:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so our results can be simple yes/no
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|- id="tApr 30 15:57:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | mabe something like tested kate/GNOME/zh_CN/ibus-pinyin OK
|| [[#tApr 30 15:57:46|Apr 30 15:57]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:57:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe
|| [[#tApr 30 15:57:50|Apr 30 15:57]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:58:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but probably variable along top of results table can be apps I guess
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|- id="tApr 30 15:58:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang, tagoh3: comments?
|| [[#tApr 30 15:58:47|Apr 30 15:58]]
|- id="tApr 30 15:59:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | parag, Kaio: what do you think?
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|- id="tApr 30 15:59:58"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | hmm
|| [[#tApr 30 15:59:58|Apr 30 15:59]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:00:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | or maybe the current format is not too bad - just need to describe how to test I guess
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|- id="tApr 30 16:00:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but I think I want to list some default apps to test not leave it completely open to testers
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|- id="tApr 30 16:01:15"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | openoffice and flash is must :)
|| [[#tApr 30 16:01:15|Apr 30 16:01]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:01:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe one box for Desktop/locale ; one for IME ; and then results
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|- id="tApr 30 16:01:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | Kaio: there is no flash in fedora
|| [[#tApr 30 16:01:57|Apr 30 16:01]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:02:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | well not that anyone uses to my knowledge anyway :-/
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|- id="tApr 30 16:02:28"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp, it affects users' experience quite much
|| [[#tApr 30 16:02:28|Apr 30 16:02]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:03:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | it could be an optional app perhaps
|| [[#tApr 30 16:03:03|Apr 30 16:03]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:03:07"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | java in fedora is not original java, too :)
|| [[#tApr 30 16:03:07|Apr 30 16:03]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:03:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | Kaio: when do you type into flash
|| [[#tApr 30 16:03:11|Apr 30 16:03]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:03:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I hardly ever do
|| [[#tApr 30 16:03:22|Apr 30 16:03]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:03:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | Kaio: openjdk is pretty official
|| [[#tApr 30 16:03:44|Apr 30 16:03]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:04:16"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | personally I dont feel like giving up flash users
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | Kaio: so can you suggest a site? :)
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|- id="tApr 30 16:04:47"
| colspan="2" | *juhp can't remember the last time he input into flash
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|- id="tApr 30 16:04:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen_
| style="color: #818144" | BTW, phuang, didn't you said its flash which has to be fixed?
|| [[#tApr 30 16:04:55|Apr 30 16:04]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:05:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | heh
|| [[#tApr 30 16:05:04|Apr 30 16:05]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:05:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | Kaio: we should certainly test it but it can be done outside the QA event - fedora does not support flash
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|- id="tApr 30 16:05:33"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | dychen_, ?
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! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | ok
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | Kaio: if you could test that would great :-)
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|- id="tApr 30 16:06:21"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp, ok, /me will look for a flash site
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! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I just got a flash site to test font displaying
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! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen_
| style="color: #818144" | Kaio: I think there is one in ibus Google code issue
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! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | dychen_, exactly
|| [[#tApr 30 16:07:08|Apr 30 16:07]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:07:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | Kaio: cool but we are talking about ibus testing
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | Kaio: does it allow input?
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|- id="tApr 30 16:08:18"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp, sorry I know thats OT :P
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|- id="tApr 30 16:08:25"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Kaio
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | pls go on :)
|| [[#tApr 30 16:08:25|Apr 30 16:08]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:09:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | wow lots of people tested nouveau
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|- id="tApr 30 16:10:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok I will try to review the table somewhat and draw up some draft testcases - and we can review tomorrow afternoon?
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|- id="tApr 30 16:10:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | how does that sound
|| [[#tApr 30 16:10:31|Apr 30 16:10]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:10:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ?
|| [[#tApr 30 16:10:32|Apr 30 16:10]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:10:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | s/review/revise
|| [[#tApr 30 16:10:43|Apr 30 16:10]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:10:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but feedback on the current table would be good now
|| [[#tApr 30 16:10:56|Apr 30 16:10]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:11:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | we may have to do another iteration following feedback from QA
|| [[#tApr 30 16:11:20|Apr 30 16:11]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:11:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | jlaska&gt; Do you have any other thoughts/concerns?
|| [[#tApr 30 16:11:42|Apr 30 16:11]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:12:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | let's close in meeting in 3min
|| [[#tApr 30 16:12:20|Apr 30 16:12]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:12:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | please spend a minute to stare at the current table to see its problems/omissions
|| [[#tApr 30 16:12:49|Apr 30 16:12]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:13:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | also please add your names to the participant list if not already there
|| [[#tApr 30 16:13:35|Apr 30 16:13]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:14:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | meaning you will be around on #fedora-qa on the day of the testing
|| [[#tApr 30 16:14:02|Apr 30 16:14]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:14:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | to help answer questions etc
|| [[#tApr 30 16:14:18|Apr 30 16:14]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:14:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | silence is golden... :)
|| [[#tApr 30 16:14:42|Apr 30 16:14]]
|- id="tApr 30 16:17:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok let's end there then
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|- id="tApr 30 16:17:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | thank you for the meeting!
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juhp I18N/IBus/Meetings/2009-04-30 Apr 30 14:57
juhp ping phuang, tagoh3, dychen_, Kaio, paragn Apr 30 14:59
phuang pong Apr 30 14:59
dychen_ pong juhp Apr 30 14:59
tagoh3 hi Apr 30 14:59
juhp ibus meeting time! Apr 30 15:01
juhp I made an agenda page - see above ^ Apr 30 15:01
juhp shall we get started then :) Apr 30 15:02
juhp # bugs (Features/IBus) Apr 30 15:02
juhp * testing blocker https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490143 Apr 30 15:02
juhp * bug list Apr 30 15:02
juhp anyone tested gnome-keyring with ibus in rawhide? Apr 30 15:02
juhp phuang: I guess you tested it when you fixed it? :) Apr 30 15:03
juhp nice to test again but no steps in bug.... Apr 30 15:03
juhp perhaps we should just close it, dunno? Apr 30 15:03
juhp (currently modified) Apr 30 15:03
juhp anyone there? ;o) Apr 30 15:04
phuang juhp, I did not test it. Apr 30 15:04
juhp ah Apr 30 15:04
phuang juhp, Just follows Matthias Clasen suggestion and modified the code Apr 30 15:04
juhp phuang: guess it really just reduced down to socket path issue? Apr 30 15:05
juhp tagoh3: guess you haven't tested yet? Apr 30 15:05
juhp I am not completely sure on the steps Apr 30 15:05
paragn hi Apr 30 15:05
juhp but tried a little Apr 30 15:05
tagoh3 juhp: a little Apr 30 15:06
juhp tagoh3: so better now? Apr 30 15:06
juhp given that it was "(none)" guess it should be fixed now with all the socket path changes Apr 30 15:07
phuang juhp, In comment #3, it also need some modify in gnome-keyring. I am not sure if it already land in f11 Apr 30 15:07
tagoh3 juhp: will do more testing and update later. Apr 30 15:07
juhp well (null) Apr 30 15:07
juhp phuang: hmm ok - that should be in a separate bug really Apr 30 15:08
juhp okay thanks Apr 30 15:08
juhp let move on then Apr 30 15:08
juhp 's Apr 30 15:08
juhp https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=component&type0-0-0=regexp&value0-0-0=^ibus*&bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO Apr 30 15:08
juhp (not quite why those ibutils packages are getting included - nm) Apr 30 15:09
juhp maybe I better hardcode the package list again Apr 30 15:09
tagoh3 juhp: because s* means 0 or more repeated? Apr 30 15:10
juhp tagoh3: ah Apr 30 15:10
juhp tagoh3: thanks Apr 30 15:11
juhp https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=component&type0-0-0=regexp&value0-0-0=^ibus.*&bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO Apr 30 15:11
juhp phuang: seems fr translation update available Apr 30 15:12
phuang juhp, I have update it in source tree. But do not build it for fedora Apr 30 15:13
juhp https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498043 Apr 30 15:14
juhp :) Apr 30 15:14
juhp phuang: nice to tell the translator that it has been committed upstream then :) Apr 30 15:14
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phuang juhp, ok Apr 30 15:14
juhp not sure what to do about openoffice.org Alt-` Apr 30 15:15
juhp tagoh3: any thoughts? Apr 30 15:15
juhp guess it only affects "US" Japanese users though Apr 30 15:15
juhp hmm Apr 30 15:15
juhp maybe we can leave for now and see what others say Apr 30 15:15
tagoh3 juhp: aha Apr 30 15:15
juhp surely same problem for scim no? Apr 30 15:16
juhp anyway don't see any critical new bugs Apr 30 15:16
juhp phuang: thanks for fixing japanese wide space issue - had missed that Apr 30 15:17
tagoh3 it would be a known who-acts-with-meta-key-first issue I suppose.. Apr 30 15:17
juhp yeah Apr 30 15:17
juhp phuang: or would it be better under scim? Apr 30 15:17
juhp since it snoops keys? Apr 30 15:17
tagoh3 I think so Apr 30 15:17
juhp hmm Apr 30 15:18
phuang juhp, ibus already uses snooper for keys Apr 30 15:18
juhp ah Apr 30 15:18
juhp ok Apr 30 15:18
tagoh3 since when? Apr 30 15:18
phuang tagoh3, I am not sure, but two or three weeks ago Apr 30 15:19
juhp hmm actually I can reproduce Apr 30 15:19
juhp maybe I am missing something Apr 30 15:19
phuang juhp, guess many openoffice uses other gui toolkit, and it will filter keyevents before gdk Apr 30 15:19
juhp in vm anyway Apr 30 15:20
phuang s/many/maybe/ Apr 30 15:20
tagoh3 if the version reported has that feature, that means the problem still exists. Apr 30 15:20
phuang tagoh3, ic Apr 30 15:20
tagoh3 phuang: on GNOME, they use gtk+ for event handling. Apr 30 15:20
phuang tagoh3, yeah. but it does not use gtk menu bar. So it will handle the alt by different way Apr 30 15:21
phuang maybe by snooper too Apr 30 15:21
juhp anyway please try to reproduce - I can't yet anyway Apr 30 15:22
tagoh3 phuang: maybe Apr 30 15:22
juhp ok Apr 30 15:23
juhp let's move on Apr 30 15:23
juhp Test_Days:IBus Apr 30 15:23
juhp our QA test day is now coming up in two weeks so we really need to get ready for that Apr 30 15:23
juhp there was an update in the QA ticket: Apr 30 15:24
juhp https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/14#comment:4 Apr 30 15:25
juhp [jlaska] - Announce event to fedora-{devel,test}-list@redhat.com Apr 30 15:27
juhp [ ] - Announce event to ibus community list(s) Apr 30 15:27
juhp [jlaska] - Reach out to Red Hat and Fedora i18n teams Apr 30 15:27
juhp [ ] - Prepare wiki-style test cases [1], [2] Apr 30 15:27
juhp I think we need to include fedora-i18n-list and the translators too Apr 30 15:29
juhp on the fedora side Apr 30 15:29
juhp phuang: can you make an announcement when we are ready at least to ibus mailing lists about the test event? Apr 30 15:29
phuang ok Apr 30 15:30
juhp tagoh3: are we missing any other obvious places? Apr 30 15:30
tagoh3 juhp: how about posting an announcement to fedora-trans-*? Apr 30 15:31
phuang I will forward the announce to ibus discuss groups. Apr 30 15:31
juhp tagoh3: yup Apr 30 15:31
juhp phuang: sounds good Apr 30 15:31
juhp tagoh3: can you coordinate -* ? :) Apr 30 15:32
juhp guess we need CIJK teams headsup Apr 30 15:33
tagoh3 sure - nod Apr 30 15:33
juhp I had only thought of fedora-trans-list Apr 30 15:33
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tagoh3 dunno if every translators are supposed to join it? if yes, it would be sufficient Apr 30 15:33
juhp mm - well I doubt all will - but doesn't hurt to mention it there at least Apr 30 15:36
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juhp so main preparation left is the test cases Apr 30 15:38
juhp hmm should we hammer them out now or do another meeting for that tomorrow? Apr 30 15:40
juhp well let's have a look now and it takes to long we can break out to another meeting to complete it Apr 30 15:42
juhp if it takes Apr 30 15:42
juhp too Apr 30 15:42
juhp .. Apr 30 15:42
juhp Test_Day:2009-03-26_Nouveau#Test is an example Apr 30 15:43
juhp so i guess we want to replace my text in the table with links to a few explicit testcases Apr 30 15:44
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juhp so I am thinking we need few testcases: Apr 30 15:49
juhp 1) enable ibus with imsettings Apr 30 15:50
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juhp 2) select/start one's IME Apr 30 15:50
juhp 3) input in firefox Apr 30 15:50
juhp 4) input in gedit Apr 30 15:50
juhp 5) input in pidgin Apr 30 15:51
juhp 6) input in openoffice Apr 30 15:51
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juhp 7) input in lokalize? Apr 30 15:52
juhp 8) kate or other KDE apps Apr 30 15:52
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juhp other desktops? Apr 30 15:52
juhp or maybe result should include the used desktop Apr 30 15:53
juhp otherwise too many permutations I think Apr 30 15:53
juhp ah many IMEs Apr 30 15:53
juhp hmm bit complex Apr 30 15:53
dychen_ juhp: How about java and flash? Apr 30 15:53
juhp apps x locale x IME x desktop Apr 30 15:54
juhp dychen_: good idea Apr 30 15:54
juhp dychen_: any applet in mind? Apr 30 15:54
dychen_ eclipse? Apr 30 15:54
juhp there is also eclipse etc - we could have a misc/other category perhaps Apr 30 15:54
dychen_ And jabref maybe. Apr 30 15:55
juhp dychen_: who? Apr 30 15:55
dychen_ jabref is a java bibliographic manager. Apr 30 15:55
juhp dychen_: seems a bit obscure? Apr 30 15:56
dychen_ Right, just stick on eclipse. Apr 30 15:56
juhp I think we have two many permutations Apr 30 15:56
juhp so our results can be simple yes/no Apr 30 15:57
juhp mabe something like tested kate/GNOME/zh_CN/ibus-pinyin OK Apr 30 15:57
juhp maybe Apr 30 15:57
juhp but probably variable along top of results table can be apps I guess Apr 30 15:58
juhp phuang, tagoh3: comments? Apr 30 15:58
juhp parag, Kaio: what do you think? Apr 30 15:59
Kaio hmm Apr 30 15:59
juhp or maybe the current format is not too bad - just need to describe how to test I guess Apr 30 16:00
juhp but I think I want to list some default apps to test not leave it completely open to testers Apr 30 16:00
Kaio openoffice and flash is must :) Apr 30 16:01
juhp maybe one box for Desktop/locale ; one for IME ; and then results Apr 30 16:01
juhp Kaio: there is no flash in fedora Apr 30 16:01
juhp well not that anyone uses to my knowledge anyway :-/ Apr 30 16:02
Kaio juhp, it affects users' experience quite much Apr 30 16:02
juhp it could be an optional app perhaps Apr 30 16:03
Kaio java in fedora is not original java, too :) Apr 30 16:03
juhp Kaio: when do you type into flash Apr 30 16:03
juhp I hardly ever do Apr 30 16:03
juhp Kaio: openjdk is pretty official Apr 30 16:03
Kaio personally I dont feel like giving up flash users Apr 30 16:04
juhp Kaio: so can you suggest a site? :) Apr 30 16:04
*juhp can't remember the last time he input into flash Apr 30 16:04
dychen_ BTW, phuang, didn't you said its flash which has to be fixed? Apr 30 16:04
juhp heh Apr 30 16:05
juhp Kaio: we should certainly test it but it can be done outside the QA event - fedora does not support flash Apr 30 16:05
phuang dychen_, ? Apr 30 16:05
Kaio ok Apr 30 16:05
juhp Kaio: if you could test that would great :-) Apr 30 16:05
Kaio juhp, ok, /me will look for a flash site Apr 30 16:06
Kaio I just got a flash site to test font displaying Apr 30 16:06
dychen_ Kaio: I think there is one in ibus Google code issue Apr 30 16:06
Kaio dychen_, exactly Apr 30 16:07
juhp Kaio: cool but we are talking about ibus testing Apr 30 16:07
juhp Kaio: does it allow input? Apr 30 16:07
Kaio juhp, sorry I know thats OT :P Apr 30 16:08
Kaio pls go on :) Apr 30 16:08
juhp wow lots of people tested nouveau Apr 30 16:09
juhp ok I will try to review the table somewhat and draw up some draft testcases - and we can review tomorrow afternoon? Apr 30 16:10
juhp how does that sound Apr 30 16:10
juhp ? Apr 30 16:10
juhp s/review/revise Apr 30 16:10
juhp but feedback on the current table would be good now Apr 30 16:10
juhp we may have to do another iteration following feedback from QA Apr 30 16:11
juhp jlaska> Do you have any other thoughts/concerns? Apr 30 16:11
juhp let's close in meeting in 3min Apr 30 16:12
juhp please spend a minute to stare at the current table to see its problems/omissions Apr 30 16:12
juhp also please add your names to the participant list if not already there Apr 30 16:13
juhp meaning you will be around on #fedora-qa on the day of the testing Apr 30 16:14
juhp to help answer questions etc Apr 30 16:14
juhp silence is golden... :) Apr 30 16:14
juhp ok let's end there then Apr 30 16:17
juhp thank you for the meeting! Apr 30 16:17

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