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Desktop/Fedora Meeting 14 Jan 2009
| quaid | <meeting id="Docs team"> | <a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a> |
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| * quaid still hoping for zodbot meeting logging :) | <a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a> | |
| Sparks | +1 | <a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a> |
| quaid | le roll call? | <a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a> |
| * Sparks is present | <a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a> | |
| -!- John5342 [n=john5342@fedora/John5342] has joined #fedora-meeting | <a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a> | |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg : | <a href="#t14:03" class="time">14:03</a> | |
| <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wednesday.2C_14_January_2008">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wednesday.2C_14_January_2008</a> FUDCon results | ||
| quaid | I'm here too | <a href="#t14:03" class="time">14:03</a> |
| * quaid makes a sound of crickets chirping | <a href="#t14:03" class="time">14:03</a> | |
| quaid | ok then | <a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a> |
| Sparks | Where is everyone? | <a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a> |
| quaid | refering to <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_tasks_during_FUDConF11">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_tasks_during_FUDConF11</a> | <a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a> |
| quaid | dunno | <a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a> |
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| * laubersm here | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> | |
| quaid | since I just did the 'hit their nick thing' we can wait a moment | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> |
| * quaid forgets how useful that is | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> | |
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| quaid | I regularly get saved in to a meeting because some kind soul hit my nick to remind me it was time :) | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> |
| * ke4qqq is here | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> | |
| * jsmith stumbles in, but is on two phone calls at the moment, and won't be much use in the meeting | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> | |
| Sparks | jsmith: That's a neat trick | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> |
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| fozzmoo | heh heh. The Asterisk guy is on 2 phone calls. har har. | <a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a> |
| quaid | heh | <a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a> |
| quaid | he needs an Asterisk Turing plugin | <a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a> |
| jsmith | fozzmoo: It would be funnier if it weren't true :-( | <a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a> |
| quaid | refering to <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_tasks_during_FUDConF11">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_tasks_during_FUDConF11</a> | <a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a> |
| quaid | from a hackfest point of view, results were mixed | <a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a> |
| * dbewley partially here | <a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a> | |
| quaid | * we didn't get the beats renamed | <a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a> |
| quaid | * I should have known Paul wouldn't be available since he was /running the conference/ and I didn't do too much on process by myself | <a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a> |
| quaid | * we still need pages renamed, but could have tho' didn't categorize the pages | <a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a> |
| quaid | * jsmith was looking a bit on moving the needle on the IG conversion/how to convert to Publican stuff | <a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a> |
| quaid | * we taught about the wiki | <a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a> |
| quaid | * docbook was taught, yay | <a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a> |
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| quaid | * probably a dozen people were positively influenced about the wiki, but we wanted the whole room to bow to our methods | <a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a> |
| quaid | that's all I had | <a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a> |
| ke4qqq | do we have owners for the various groups of pages? | <a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a> |
| jsmith | quaid: FWIW, stickster and I took a stab at the Publican stuff, but ran into problems with stickster's XSL transform | <a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a> |
| stickster | jsmith: I think I knocked most of those out | <a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a> |
| stickster | The newest tarball should hopefully work better | <a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a> |
| laubersm | I got nudged into taking lead on Packaging docs | <a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a> |
| jsmith | stickster: Cool... I'll give it a shot when I get a free minute | <a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a> |
| stickster | <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_convert_to_from_fedora-docs-util_to_Publican">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_convert_to_from_fedora-docs-util_to_Publican</a> | <a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a> |
| quaid | ke4qqq: we have owners or people working on all BUT the release notes | <a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a> |
| quaid | laubersm++ | <a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a> |
| ke4qqq | wow laubersm!!!! | <a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a> |
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| quaid | yeah, I think the Packaging Guide is a great fit -- laubersm has the skills to learn it on the job :), and it's probably the most impactful | <a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a> |
| thing we can be working on, in terms of making Fedorans' lives better. | ||
| jsmith-busy | Amen! | <a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a> |
| laubersm | I don't think the renaming and adding catagories will be hard... then we;ll go from there | <a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a> |
| * quaid expects others will pitch in esp. as they see momentum | <a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a> | |
| quaid | laubersm: go ahead and talk too much about it on fedora-docs-list; ask lots of questions on fedora-wiki@lists.fp.org; etc. | <a href="#t14:14" class="time">14:14</a> |
| laubersm | will do | <a href="#t14:14" class="time">14:14</a> |
| ke4qqq | yeah I finished all of the Ambassador renaming during fudcon - I'd guess maybe an hour per 100 pages if you know the content. | <a href="#t14:15" class="time">14:15</a> |
| Sparks | +1 | <a href="#t14:15" class="time">14:15</a> |
| quaid | ke4qqq: sweet, yeah, I saw the PSV file | <a href="#t14:16" class="time">14:16</a> |
| quaid | g / G_work is probably still asleep ... | <a href="#t14:16" class="time">14:16</a> |
| quaid | we maybe need to enable ianweller to use wikibot more or something. | <a href="#t14:17" class="time">14:17</a> |
| quaid | I'd like to see us push those naming changes through asap. | <a href="#t14:17" class="time">14:17</a> |
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| Sparks | quaid: How long does it take wikibot to do all the work? | <a href="#t14:18" class="time">14:18</a> |
| quaid | dunno, it should be pretty fast | <a href="#t14:18" class="time">14:18</a> |
| quaid | it's making changes in the database perhaps? | <a href="#t14:18" class="time">14:18</a> |
| quaid | yeah, I think so; it's not scraping and inputing via the usual web interface. | <a href="#t14:18" class="time">14:18</a> |
| Sparks | heck, give him the keys and let him go nuts | <a href="#t14:18" class="time">14:18</a> |
| quaid | +1 | <a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a> |
| quaid | so, we'll update the main task list from the fudcon did/didn't list when we get there | <a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a> |
| Sparks | Can we create a new position? Like Wiki Czar? | <a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a> |
| ke4qqq | Sparks: isn't that ian? | <a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a> |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg : <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_tasks_during_FUDConF11">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_tasks_during_FUDConF11</a> :: CMS planz | <a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a> | |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: My point exactly. :) | <a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a> |
| quaid | Sparks: basically, yes, I think we did that a while ago | <a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a> |
| Sparks | quaid: Cool | <a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a> |
| quaid | a few months, not sure if it was Czar, but I like that | <a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a> |
| quaid | hope it wouldn't get any any czarists angry :) | <a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a> |
| quaid | so, did everyone read my email on CMS to f-docs-l? | <a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a> |
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| Sparks | I did. | <a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a> |
| laubersm | I did | <a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a> |
| * jsmith-busy read it, threw his hands in the air, and did nothing else | <a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a> | |
| ke4qqq | yes, and I am curious as to what response you have had. | <a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a> |
| quaid | laubersm: cheat, you proofread it for me before I sent it! | <a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a> |
| * laubersm laughs | <a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a> | |
| quaid | ke4qqq: I haven't looked outside of the list yet, but p'raps it's time to send to the other lists | <a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a> |
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| * ke4qqq thought you already sent it to -devel | <a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a> | |
| quaid | nothing from the wider community; Max and Greg thought it was a good plan. | <a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a> |
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| quaid | ke4qqq: oops, not yet | <a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a> |
| quaid | why stall? not sure ... | <a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a> |
| Sparks | quaid: Is there a wiki page for the CMS discussion? | <a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a> |
| quaid | Sparks: yeah ... | <a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a> |
| quaid | <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites</a> | <a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a> |
| * ke4qqq thinks we should send it to -devel and -art and maybe even just the fedora list | <a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a> | |
| laubersm | quaid: send it out | <a href="#t14:23" class="time">14:23</a> |
| quaid | ke4qqq: +1 ... hadn't thought about art though | <a href="#t14:23" class="time">14:23</a> |
| quaid | definitely -list and -devel-list | <a href="#t14:23" class="time">14:23</a> |
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| Sparks | quaid: We should build profiles on each option that has been proposed and show pros and cons. | <a href="#t14:25" class="time">14:25</a> |
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| quaid | Sparks: ah, see ... | <a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a> |
| Sparks | quaid: Maybe we can narrow the list down based on specific things we have to have or can't live with. | <a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a> |
| Sparks | quaid: Plus the ability of someone to maintain it upstream. | <a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a> |
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| ke4qqq | the problem we identified at FUDcon is that virtually all of the options meet most if not all of the needs. | <a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a> |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: That's the kind of problem I like! | <a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a> |
| quaid | right, and the process of going beyond marketing materials | <a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a> |
| quaid | is a huge vetting operation. | <a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a> |
| quaid | Sparks: except then nothing stands out as a clear winner | <a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a> |
| Sparks | quaid: True | <a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a> |
| ke4qqq | and really, we are looking for owners. | <a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a> |
| quaid | we also have the problem that anything we bring to Infrastructure is going to be new to them; they are already well taxed with other | <a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a> |
| complexity, etc. | ||
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| quaid | ke4qqq: +1 | <a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a> |
| Sparks | So we would need a buy in from them as well. | <a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a> |
| Sparks | We don't want something that is going to add so much work, etc. | <a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a> |
| quaid | Sparks: that was the brainwave at FUDCon -- we aren't looking for a CMS as much as owners for a CMS, who are preferably passionate about it | <a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a> |
| otherwise. | ||
| quaid | e.g. note Basil's response on list | <a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a> |
| ke4qqq | Sparks: Mike & Co. seem pretty open to just about anything within reason. | <a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a> |
| jsmith-busy | quaid: I talked to mmcgrath about that, and he didn't seem *that* concerned about bringing in a new CMS | <a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a> |
| Sparks | Have we drawn a line in the sand to say "no more" than the seven on the list now? | <a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a> |
| quaid | jsmith-busy: I know, but then I talked with Toshio ... | <a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a> |
| ke4qqq | jsmith-busy: but on Sunday he did point out that the wiki migration was really successful because it had an owner (Ian) | <a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a> |
| quaid | right, and the wiki is the reference model | <a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a> |
| quaid | when we announced that we were going to move to a specific wiki solution, the person passionate about it showed up. | <a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a> |
| jsmith-busy | Sparks: No, it may be premature to draw that line (as much as I hate to admit it) | <a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a> |
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| Sparks | jsmith-busy: Well, that's a problem in itself. | <a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a> |
| quaid | and if we just said "Drupal" that would probably happen, but then we had the thought ... why not just approach this through the | <a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a> |
| passion/interest as a primary scope item. | ||
| Sparks | jsmith-busy: As you already know | <a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a> |
| * danielsmw waves hello | <a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a> | |
| quaid | hey danielsmw | <a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a> |
| * jsmith-busy has to run | <a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a> | |
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| quaid | we are catching up on CMS; ref. email sent to f-docs-l | <a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a> |
| danielsmw | k | <a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a> |
| quaid | <a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-January/msg00077.html">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-January/msg00077.html</a> for the IRC records :) | <a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a> |
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| quaid | Sparks: one thing I appreciated about Basil's email was that he narrowed it to "PHP-based" but was willing to consider outside of his | <a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a> |
| expertise; that leaves room for e.g. Joomla experts to show up and he can join that team. | ||
| quaid | hey harveybetty | <a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a> |
| ke4qqq | right, but the MW decision was pushed based on the technical need. | <a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a> |
| quaid | we are catching up on CMS; ref. email sent to f-docs-l | <a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a> |
| harveybetty | Hi there - I was in the wrong channel | <a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a> |
| quaid | ke4qqq: right, and we have no clear cms winner as we did for wiki | <a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a> |
| quaid | plus that was some months of work on mmcgrath's part; he vetted the solutions, ran scripts, etc. | <a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a> |
| quaid | the part of this that we could do but haven't nor really want to :) | <a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a> |
| quaid | harveybetty: yeah, we got our meeting time secured; the other group moved to a different day | <a href="#t14:34" class="time">14:34</a> |
| harveybetty | Is there a list of CMS's that are being considered? | <a href="#t14:34" class="time">14:34</a> |
| danielsmw | harveybetty: this was the original page on the topic that lists some on the bottom: | <a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a> |
| <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites#Background">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites#Background</a> | ||
| danielsmw | although i don't know what's been discussed here | <a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a> |
| quaid | we are talkinga bout | <a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a> |
| quaid | the idea of having a team self-identify as being willing | <a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a> |
| quaid | to deploy and maintain | <a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a> |
| quaid | and they choose their own solution | <a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a> |
| danielsmw | ooh. | <a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a> |
| quaid | i.e., email to fedora-list gets some Drupal people interested | <a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a> |
| quaid | so it's Drupal, they run it, and we work with them. | <a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a> |
| quaid | otherwise we are in a deep rabbit hole looking at 100+ solutions that nearly all fit our needs, without any technical contributors to fix the | <a href="#t14:37" class="time">14:37</a> |
| gaps, and still nothing deployed with no one to deploy it :) | ||
| harveybetty | Drupal is a nice solution. There is an XML module that fits nicely. I have run into a problem when trying to install faceted search | <a href="#t14:38" class="time">14:38</a> |
| because the search doesn't understand XML and causes errors. I am investigating integrating SOLR as the search engine. | ||
| quaid | ok, so I'm sending email to f-devel-l and fedora-list and fedora-art-list | <a href="#t14:38" class="time">14:38</a> |
| quaid | harveybetty: honestly, considering how many Drupalheads I know of, I'd bet that one has a clear run for the lead; if you are interested in | <a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a> |
| being part of a team that deploys/maintains, that is even better :) | ||
| quaid | we haven't heard of any DocBook module other than that one | <a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a> |
| * quaid ready to move on to the next agenda item | <a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a> | |
| quaid | anything more here? | <a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a> |
| ke4qqq | nothing - but I'd like to ask a bunch of questions of harveybetty at some point regarding drupal | <a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a> |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Maybe we should have a separate session after the meeting | <a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a> |
| harveybetty | Be glad too. It is a generic XML module and you can plug Docbook in. | <a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a> |
| * danielsmw agrees | <a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a> | |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: I have questions as well | <a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a> |
| quaid | ok, maybe on #fedora-docs, start anytime IMO | <a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a> |
| harveybetty | I can be available later on #fedora-docs. | <a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a> |
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| quaid | this remains our only un-led guide | <a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a> |
| quaid | other than wider recruiting ... | <a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a> |
| quaid | any other thoughts on that one? | <a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a> |
| * quaid notes that it is in fact usually much easier on the writing and much harder on the wrangling of cats than other content | <a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a> | |
| Sparks | This is probably one of our biggest project that gets the most attention. | <a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a> |
| quaid | yeah, I think it's unlikely we'll just drop it | <a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a> |
| quaid | despite whatever stickster and I have said :) | <a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a> |
| quaid | so it might be worth a wider recruiting effort? | <a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a> |
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| stickster | quaid: How many wider recruiting efforts have we had at this point, do you think? | <a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a> |
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| * ke4qqq wonders if laubersm can be nudged more? | <a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a> | |
| * Sparks warms up the pokers | <a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a> | |
| * laubersm runs fast | <a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a> | |
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| Sparks | laubersm: I'm sure you'll have support if you do take the project. | <a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a> |
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| quaid | stickster: not that much outside of my occasional pleas via blogging | <a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a> |
| Sparks | laubersm: Just need someone to "manage" its development. | <a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a> |
| laubersm | sparks: I already have a project | <a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a> |
| Sparks | :) | <a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a> |
| ke4qqq | there's been the mailing list posts as well | <a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a> |
| quaid | yeah, that's my concern, we don't want to overload those who are already taking on assignments | <a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a> |
| quaid | stickster: but with one thing to recruit for, maybe that will help? | <a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a> |
| ke4qqq | so here is my concern..... | <a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a> |
| * quaid listens | <a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a> | |
| ke4qqq | you are essentially talking about taking a person from 0 - to responsible for what is arguably the most important document we produce at | <a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a> |
| least in terms of # of readers. | ||
| quaid | ke4qqq: honestly, I'm going to be there all the way alongside | <a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a> |
| quaid | but that is a good point | <a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a> |
| Sparks | quaid: How long does it take to put all the changes in? | <a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a> |
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| quaid | Sparks: ideally one watches the wiki along the way and makes it easier | <a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a> |
| ke4qqq | that sounds scary......even though there is handholding available. | <a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a> |
| quaid | true | <a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a> |
| quaid | maybe I could ask for "interns" to work directly with me for the release | <a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a> |
| quaid | with the idea that one of them will step-up to lead for the F12 release. | <a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a> |
| ke4qqq | why not target the beat writers for F10? | <a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a> |
| ke4qqq | esp the non-new feature writers | <a href="#t14:51" class="time">14:51</a> |
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| quaid | ke4qqq: as in, direct asking if they want to lead? | <a href="#t14:51" class="time">14:51</a> |
| ke4qqq | yes | <a href="#t14:51" class="time">14:51</a> |
| quaid | that's not a bad idea in fact :) | <a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a> |
| * quaid makes himself a list | <a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a> | |
| quaid | so ... | <a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a> |
| ke4qqq | that's a 'promotion'....lol | <a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a> |
| quaid | 1. Ask existing beat writers from F10 | <a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a> |
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| quaid | 2. If no bites, maybe recruit ass't editors who get promoted in the future. | <a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a> |
| quaid | 3. If no go there, decide if we are going to do the guide anyway or not | <a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a> |
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| * ke4qqq thinks FESCo will fire us if we don't.....besides that gets more rave reviews.... - perhaps we drop another document and refocus on that. | <a href="#t14:53" class="time">14:53</a> | |
| * ke4qqq shrugs | <a href="#t14:53" class="time">14:53</a> | |
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| Sparks | I see the Docs Project working on two kinds of projects: | <a href="#t14:53" class="time">14:53</a> |
| Sparks | 1) The projects we are passionate about | <a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a> |
| Sparks | 2) The projects that need to get done for Fedora | <a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a> |
| quaid | well, one can self-volunteer for 2) but you can't really go asking for that too much. | <a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a> |
| Sparks | While we all like doing the first type of projects we all need to do the second type. | <a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a> |
| * ke4qqq doesn't see many projects that aren't #2, even if the reason for working on them are #1. | <a href="#t14:55" class="time">14:55</a> | |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: true | <a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a> |
| * ke4qqq can't get subjects and verbs to agree | <a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a> | |
| quaid | right, and the idea is to get #2 done via the #1 method | <a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a> |
| quaid | then it's done better, with more fun, etc. | <a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a> |
| ke4qqq | +1 | <a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a> |
| Sparks | +1 | <a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a> |
| laubersm | and if there is someone out there passionate about having release notes..... | <a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a> |
| quaid | :D | <a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a> |
| quaid | well, if we drop the work, they'll sure notice :) | <a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a> |
| ke4qqq | there are lots of people passionate about having them....just not about writing them. | <a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a> |
| quaid | is anyone available/interested in helping with the recruting for RN lead? | <a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a> |
| * ke4qqq will work on recruiting a new RN lead | <a href="#t14:58" class="time">14:58</a> | |
| quaid | ke4qqq: you're on! | <a href="#t14:58" class="time">14:58</a> |
| quaid | thx | <a href="#t14:58" class="time">14:58</a> |
| * quaid will update our tasks table with this stuff, too | <a href="#t14:58" class="time">14:58</a> | |
| quaid | since we are near closing | <a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a> |
| quaid | how about if we call this here and retire to #fedora-docs? | <a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a> |
| ke4qqq | +1 | <a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a> |
| danielsmw | +1 | <a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a> |
| quaid | sweet | <a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a> |
| * quaid closes in 5 | <a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a> | |
| quaid | 4 | <a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a> |
| quaid | 3 | <a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a> |
| quaid | 2 | <a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a> |
| quaid | 1 | <a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a> |
| quaid | </meeting> | <a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a> |