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#!html <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> <title>2007-12-13-qa-meeting</title> <link rel="stylesheet" href="irclog.css" /> <meta name="generator" content="irclog2html.py 2.3 by Marius Gedminas" /> <meta name="version" content="2.3 - 2005-03-28" /> </head> <body> <table class="irclog"> <tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Time for the Fedora QA meeting. Whee!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:01"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA Meeting | startup</td><td><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13 Lovechild mether rdieter nirik: ping</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">howdy.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so I don't have anything pressing on the agenda</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: what was it we were going to discuss?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway. first, tools stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:06"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA Meeting | tools</td><td><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jlaska has been packaging up SNAKE (<a href="http://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/snake">http://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/snake</a>) and working on the docs and such</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I've submitted python-bugzilla for review, and it was just approved, so that'll also be available shortly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(<a href="http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/python-bugzilla">http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/python-bugzilla</a>)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">those two packages are used by the rawhide dashboard page (<a href="http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/rawhide.html,">http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/rawhide.html,</a> probably moving soon)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but soon we should have at least *some* automagic testing of rawhide trees</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yay for that!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Oh. Bug triage sucks - and will continue to suck unless we have better tools and a point system or something to help motivate people</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I've been talking with ldimaggi_ for a while about QA stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> ldimaggi_</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">wwoods, Good Morning everyone!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> ldimaggi_</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">glad to be here...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right now my opinion is that making sure rawhide / updates are solid is more valuable</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">than making triage easier/funner. once a bug is filed, it's already out the door</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it'd be better to keep a lot of bugs from getting out the door first</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which will make triaging easier</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, some fairly simple automated testing is in order for fedora updates and rawhide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so that's what I'm working on.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods: what kind of tools are you thinking would make triage better?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, infrastructure stuff to keep track of who's doing what, who's doing a good job. scorekeeping stuff to make things interesting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(and let us give credit to the best of the bug triagers)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods: could borrow such things from another project?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">It'd be nice to have a client-side tool that talked to bugzilla/bodhi/koji/pkgdb</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: depends on how we want it implemented</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">at this point we *can* use the GNOME stuff if we're willing to put scripts on BZ itself</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(previously we couldn't use their pointkeeping system 'cuz it used mysql-specific stuff)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd probably want to clean it up so it's a nice modular plugin (and was easier to configure weights for various actions)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and have it able to send data elsewhere, so if we do similar scorekeeping in bodhi/koji/etc we can gather all that data in one central place</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but, again, that's stuff I want to do *after* getting some smoketesting in place</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">unless I find someone who's willing to spearhead the effort themselves</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but yes - scorekeeping and a cool gtk-based bug searching/triaging app</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">would be awesome.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway, there was something about bugzilla policy that f13 wanted to discuss, but I don't think he's here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so that discussion will be moved to -test-list (and/or -devel-list)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:21"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA Meeting | misc.</td><td><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, one other thing. I'm seeing more and more audio bugs where the suggested solution is "remove pulseaudio"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which kinda sucks.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">In theory, PA improvements were on the schedule for F9 to better integrate it with the system</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:23" class="time">10:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">in fairness, it's a temporary workaround oftentimes, but the fundamental issues should still be addressed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:23" class="time">10:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:23" class="time">10:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">All people *really* need to do is remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio and PA will magically stop being the default.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but we have to keep an eye out for bugs about this junk and make sure Lennart addresses the big ones</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: how's KDE4 stuff going?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:26" class="time">10:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: rawhide import is pretty much done.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:26" class="time">10:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: now we need to actually start using it, and testing it out, polishing, etc...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:26" class="time">10:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right on. good to hear!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and dealing with a few pkgs here and there that still contain kde(3) deps, that are now awol. :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Are there likely to be any features in F9 that will change major desktop behaviors (like PA did) that we need to keep an eye out for?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:28" class="time">10:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I have a feeling PolicyKit could prove slightly disruptive for non-GNOME/KDE envs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:28" class="time">10:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway, that's something to keep in the backs of your heads</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's all. Any other business to discuss?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: I forget, is another "bug day" coming soon?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:31" class="time">10:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">There isn't one planned right now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I was kind of disheartened - spent an entire 8-hour day working on it and I closed maybe 10 bugs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and got into some fierce arguments</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hee, if it makes you feel better, a closed a whole load of old kde ones...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's good!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Right now I'm not convinced that Bug Days are a good use of my time.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">if more folks don't show up to participate, you're prob right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">with more people (and once we've got some smoketest stuff going to catch the obvious stuff earlier) it would probably be very useful</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I think we have bigger problems</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">like broken rawhide and broken updates</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:36" class="time">10:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if someone would like to plan a Bug Day, or wants to request a Bug Day to help triage a particular set of bugs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:37" class="time">10:37</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd be totally behind that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:37" class="time">10:37</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: I'm hoping to have a live image for testing a few installer related things by the first of next week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:37" class="time">10:37</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh nice.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:38" class="time">10:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">someday we need to figure out a good way of running automated tests on newly-produced live images</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:39" class="time">10:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">kvm's probably the easiest way though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:40" class="time">10:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">you could pretty easily do boot it, get a screenshot to make sure the desktop came up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:41" class="time">10:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">more than that becomes tricky</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:41" class="time">10:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">possibly we'll want some way of injecting commands from the boot line, like kickstart</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:41" class="time">10:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">runscript=[url] </td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:41" class="time">10:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or similar</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:42" class="time">10:42</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">how do you plan on injecting commands into the bootloader, though?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:42" class="time">10:42</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">pull the kernel/initrd/squashfs off the image and boot it from system GRUB?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:43" class="time">10:43</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">you've now managed to avoid testing a lot of the livecd specific bits</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:44" class="time">10:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:44" class="time">10:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">true. :/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:44" class="time">10:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, somethin' to think about. I don't have an answer right now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:45" class="time">10:45</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">let me know when you've got images, though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:45" class="time">10:45</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">everyone loves a livecd</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:45" class="time">10:45</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well, live-just-more-than-a-cd right now, but yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:46" class="time">10:46</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">liveimage</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:47" class="time">10:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">(some stupid deps have appeared... filed bugs last week about them)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:47" class="time">10:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">livethingy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:47" class="time">10:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:47"><td class="action" colspan="2">* rdieter likes livethingy</td><td><a href="#t10:47" class="time">10:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">livecd, livedvd, liveusb, liveipod.. nah. just call it "livethingy"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:48" class="time">10:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">okay, anything else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:48" class="time">10:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">liveipod is hard -- current ones are 2048 byte sectors which our bootloaders don't deal with</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:48" class="time">10:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">really? bogus.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:49" class="time">10:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stupid PC BIOSes caring about "sectors"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:50" class="time">10:50</a></td></tr> <tr id="t10:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">okay, let's call this done. 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