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#!html <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> <title>/home/sebastian/#fedora-meeting-2008-05-09-21h20.log</title> <link rel="stylesheet" href="irclog.css" /> <meta name="generator" content="irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas" /> <meta name="version" content="2.6 - 2007-10-30" /> </head> <body> <h1>IRC Log 2008-05-09</h1> <table class="irclog"> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">hi everybody!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so, who is here for the edu sig meeting?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">here (mostly).</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well, i have updated the list of applications in the wiki a little bit</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and i was thinking about selecting a few apps or a focus for the spin</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">so what's on your mind?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">for example, if we focus on mathematics we might - at least - include drgeo and wxmaxima </td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">on the other hand i have created a very basic spin with just some normal apps and an desktop environment</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and we have about 150 mb of space for edu apps (less or more depending on kde, gnome or xfce)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">well, how about start with a math-focussed spin then, since thats: 1. focussed and 2. we have a pretty good selection of math apps to choose from.</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* nirik butts in and wonders if there has been thought of a 'sugar' spin... I guess thats something for an olpc interested group to work on tho</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">nirik: would be neat.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">nirik</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">and that could be a good thing for a younger age group education demographic.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">nirik: agreed. i know, that there is a olpc live cd, but i didn't knew, that you could easily install sugar on f9</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">nirik</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I'm not sure if it's easily installable yet, but I think it's being worked on.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">(some time ago, you still needed to compile it, right?)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">there's a lot to do with 150mb: kdeedu (kig, we could split this out to make space), geomview, Macaulay2, octave (some good gui's are currently under review)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">rdierter: that's true</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">nirik</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">well, you can 'yum install sugar' in f9 fine. I don't know if you need to do anything to get it to come up tho.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: well, i really like kdeedu, since it contains a lot of intersting edu apps, but it includes apps for different topics (math & languages & and so on)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">R, scipy...</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">nirik:</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">sdziallas: right, wrt kdeedu, we already split -kstars for Astronomy SIG/spin. can do the same here as needed.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">sugar.i386 0.79.4-1.fc9 fedora</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">nirik: but i have no idea, how it needs to be installed - might be worth a try, hu?</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* nirik installs on the test box. </td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: okay, so we would select a few kdeedu (and other related) apps and then start with a math-focussed spin?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">nirik: great</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">sdziallas: I think so (as well as continue on working to get more good edu apps in fedora).</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">+1. we definitely need more edu apps - maybe, if we get good feedback to a first spin, there might be further people encouraged to help</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">right</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but i'm not quite sure, which apps to should include - kdeedu has kalgebra, kbruch, kig, kmplot and kpercentage - i think it's important not to include software for the same use 3 times</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">having a "produce" to point at, will get more attention, feedback, etc.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">true, make the list of apps, wieghted priorities, and include stuff until you run out of space.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay :)... and some pr might not be bad, too</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">nirik: if a sugar desktop environment is working, i think we should definitely consider it - for example as a spin for younger children (with fitting edu apps... gcompris, childsplay, and so on)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">nirik</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">it installs fine, but I am not getting it to come up in a vnc... looking.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">hmmmm.....</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* sdziallas has look at a possible spin config</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">so app/pkg candidates to top the list of what to include?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">shameless plug: maxima/wxmaxima (I'll try to let others suggest others, since I maintain a few others and am totally biased).</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">gday all</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">hi</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: +1</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">dgilmore: yo mr. olpc</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">you can get sugar running with "yum install sugar suagr-journal telepathy-gabble telepathy-salut"</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">then you can run sugar-emulator or log into suagr from gdm/kdm</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">though it still needs some work</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">sugar needs porting to the new NetworkManager</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">An olpc/sugar spin would be... sweet. *ba dum crash*</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and we need to get more activites packaged</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">might sound somewhat euphoric, but +100</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">but yes a sugar spin would be awesome</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">right now im migrating OLPC to F-9</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">dgilmore: you think NM + activities would be do'able in F10 time-frame</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">rdieter: yep defiently</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">alrighty</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">we have journal done so far</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">but thats it</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">that's pretty cool</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* sdziallas is going to try it on on his own machine</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">please let me know if you have issues</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">its worked fine in my testing</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay! :) downloads right now...</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">nirik</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">not working for me in vnc... will try a real login soon here. ;)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">ive had some issues with suagar-emulator</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">the Xepher X server doesnt support th 129dpi that my laptop runs at</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">anyway please ask me if you need any help</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: a calculator like qalculate or galculator and drgeo or kig might be interesting, too?!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">rdieter: im hoping that NM will be done ssoninsh since id like to use it for OLPC though. none of the mesh stuff is in NM-0.7</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">sdziallas: yep, surel</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">dgilmore: well olpc's will presumably run the real thing, not an f10-olpc spin. :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">or am I wrong?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">rdieter: who knows.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">rdieter: though the next release will be based on F-9</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: i'm moving some things around on the list in the wiki</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">rdieter: it would be nice if a sugar spin runs on the XO</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">nod</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: the question is, how many kdeedu apps we want to include: for example, if we're going to include all of the kdeedu math apps (and splitting them from the rest of kdeedu), it does not really make sense, to have a gnome based spin, right? (it would pull in way too much deps)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">sdziallas: we'd have to weight that, and see which would be more economical: kde-based vs gnome-based vs. what we choose to include (much of little of kdeedu) + everything else.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">+1. true!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">again, I'm totally biased, so I'd say go with kde-based, but I'd be willing to accept gnome too, esp if it meant more space for more apps.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">the apps are certainly the focus here.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">could even consider a smaller/minimal DE, like xfce, but I have little/no experience with that, so don't know how usable it would be for our target audience (whatever that is... ). :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well, I'd say go with kde, since kdeedu includes more and imo for our purpose the more fitting apps (unless we find a lot of gtk-based apps for students - i think there are more gtk-based apps for children...)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">sounds good to me.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay :).</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">hmm... how about including taskjuggler?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">or scribus? i know, these are all not math-focussed apps - but they might be used by students generally... or should we put those on another spin?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">imo, let's keep this one focussed.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* sdziallas was just asking for opinions :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">nirik</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">gnuplot? higher math stuff?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">but I don't feel strongly. if others feel the need, and/or have a use-case for including other stuff, fine.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">there could be a case for a few education spins</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">nirik</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">kpolynome ? orpie ?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">one aimed at under 5-6</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">one 5-6 though 11-12</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">dgilmore: definitely, we talked about that @ last meeting, age-based spins.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and one 11-12 through 17-18</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">very different markets</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">dgilmore</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">:)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yeah... but we must start somewhere, right?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">sdziallas: right, full circle, brings us back to math-spin. :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so maybe i should focus some ideas (olpc-spin, age-based versions....) in the wiki</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">nirik: i didn't have them on the list... didn't notice those... somehow</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">sdziallas: eventually yes, but I still think this group would be better served setting a smaller, more-easily attainable goal, and accomplishing that first, before branching out.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">shrug, but documenting ideas, categorizing apps, is always needed.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">so, ignore me.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay ;) so lets talk about math :) i'll post the log and put some things in the wiki, though</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">don't get me wrong, I love all that stuff, I just don't want to get bogged down discussing a ton of diferent things with the end result of nothing.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">+1... maybe we should try to get a first spin out asap.... i mean, f9 is not so far away :) and maybe, we should accomplish this *before* f10</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I think it's doable within weeks or months.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">...which would be quite nice. i think we need an idea concerning the included apps... than, I might work a possible config (which should not take too long) and than, it's just a question of getting it approved and hosted</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">wwoods</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">F10Alpha freeze is 9 weeks away.</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* spstarr_work looks at wwoods </td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">wwoods</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">Just a friendly reminder.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spstarr_work</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">shouldn't that countdown only begin *after* F9 is GA?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">wwoods</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">why? people have been building new packages for f10 for a couple of weeks now</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spstarr_work</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">true</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">wow, 9 weeks isn't very long.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">wwoods</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">planning for new features for F10 starts as soon as we close F9 for features</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">time flies when you're having fun.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">wwoods</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">that was months ago</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spstarr_work</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">wwoods: but rawhide hasn't switched to f10-devel yet :/</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">wwoods</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">we move pretty quick here, people</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spstarr_work</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">even if i could just switch myself to it</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">wwoods</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">p.s. doooooom</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">wwoods</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">heh</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">wwoods</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">it'll be unlocked in a couple of days</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">wwoods</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">anyway, wasn't trying to derail the conversations</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: not at all, thx.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yeah :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spstarr_work</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">rdieter: my packages are targeted for F10, since they aren't really useful for post-F9 unless your backporting KDE 4.1 to post-F9 later? ;-)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">spstarr_work: we will, yeah, most likely.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spstarr_work</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">ok</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">sdziallas: do you have a good enough list of math apps yet? or do we need some more suggestions and brainstorming?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">kdeedu, qalculate, wxmaxima, octave (?), gnuplot, kpolynome, orpie</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">that's on my list... basically</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">nirik</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">orpie is not very pretty, but It's small so I guess it could be handy.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">the package is 650 kb... should be fine, hu? :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Macaulay2, R (warning: big)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">package is 6,3 mb... i have a look at the deps</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">not much more.... should stay at about 6,5 mb</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">nirik</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">scipy ?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">nirik: I'd lean toward no, let's stick with apps with ui's.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">gui preferable even.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">nirik</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">ok, fair enough</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">would cost us again about 6.5 mb - i have never used this one before.... so?!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">leave it off the spin?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">maybe, i should just take those apps and work on a kickstart file...</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">cool, I gotta run in a few minutes, thx for the meeting (so far).</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">anything else to discuss so far, or should we talk again in a week or so?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well, I'm going to post some results on the list</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">thank you everybody</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">have a nice day</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">meeting adjourned!</td></tr> </table> <div class="generatedby"> <p>Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by <a href="mailto:marius@pov.lt">Marius Gedminas</a> - find it at <a href="http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/">mg.pov.lt</a>!</p> </div> </body> </html>