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=== A New Design for the Fedora Frontpage ===
=== Looking Forward to Fedora 12 ===


[[User:duffy|Máirín Duffy]] posted<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000141.html</ref> on @design-team a mockup idea for a fedoraproject.org front page redesign "I don't know if it's a good idea or feasible to redo our look & feel yet again. I do think our current site is a bit too sparse though." [[User:ricky|Ricky Zhou (周家杰)]] appreciated<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000143.html</ref> it for styling "I like the large tabs and your colors[]... From a CSS point of view, this layout would probably be a lot simpler than what we have now, which is great" with some concerns about some elements "Another thing that I'm a bit worried about is that the placement of the
After [[User:thomaskole|Thomas Kole]] asked<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000205.html</ref> about what is the Fedora 12 theme "I really want to create a wallpaper for f12, but what is the theme?" and  [[User:nicubunu|Nicu Buculei]] pointed<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000210.html</ref> it will be announced in approximatively one week "I believe the result is expected to be announced next week at FUDCon", [[User:mso|Martin Sourada]] started the debate<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000206.html</ref> about tht process for to be used"what's the theming process for F12?" and provided a first sketch "1. sketching the base concepts[...] 2. get initial approach wallpapers into Alpha[...] 3. have most of the artwork covered by Beta[...] 4. polish for RCs and Final".
banner might look a bit strange right next to the large banner on the left side". [[User:wonderer|Henrik Heigl]] also apreciated it<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000146.html</ref> "Wow, its cool" but haslo had some concerns "Also I personaly dislike 2 things on such a design[...] that first the navigation is on the right side and not on the left side as most  people would expect it[...] and second this textbased-sidemap-thingy at the bottom". On the contrary, the position of the navigation block was one of [[User:nicubunu|Nicu Buculei]]'s favorite parts<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000169.html</ref> "I *love* you moved the navigation bar on the right", who pleaded for simplicity, easy readability and not-fixed (liquid) layouts.


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Nicu further outlined<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000211.html</ref> the tight schedule "According to the schedule, we have Alpha freeze on 2009-08-04 and Alpha release on 2009-08-18", Martin mentioned<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000215.html</ref> some past problems to avoid "First of all we need to make clear it's not competition, but we still need more than one designs" and [[User:duffy|Máirín Duffy]] advanced<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000218.html</ref> a possible different approach "I wonder if we could take an approach instead of creating the base image
from scratch this time, to go out and search the best of openly-licensed content and try to provide a thematic selection?", which was disliked<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000228.html</ref> by Nicu "is like us dropping the
ball and acknowledging we are not able to create ourselves something good enough", Martin<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000244.html</ref> and [[User:sstorari|Samuele Storari]]<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000229.html</ref> "I hope we will not stop create, and, I think we may work again in the contest mode", but also Martin noticed<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000248.html</ref> how the old process has put a lot unreasonable stress on Máirín's shoulders "One of the things I remember from the past releases are your all-nighters that saved us from disasters, especially considering you are doing it in your spare time..."


=== About Branding ===
After a few more rounds of debate, Máirín Duffy proposed<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000250.html</ref> a plan: "I think I really like the requirement that the default be: original, vector, abstract, theme-related. And that we pick, let's say as originally proposed, 4 works from the creative commons / openly-licensed community that are related to the theme as well and have the following breakdown: 2 general appeal / any age group, 1 appeal to children, 1 appeal to women" which was positively received, with a possible addition by Nicu Buculei<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000252.html</ref> "- a larger "extras" package (but not very large) yummable from the repository and *maybe* also on the install DVD; a huge gallery with *everything* available online, where people can browse with Firefox and use it's "set image as desktop background" option."


A heated debate was fired after [[User:ujjwol|Ujjwol Lamichhane]] forwarded<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000165.html</ref> to @design-team a controversial article about KDE and distribution branding in artwork<ref>http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/06/building-brand-together.html</ref> from the prominent KDE developer Aaron Seigo. It was seen as not useful<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000175.html</ref> by [[User:kkofler|Kevin Kofler]]  "don't think this offer is of much value to Fedora at this point because we don't have our logo in the wallpaper anyway" and [[User:jreznik|Jaroslav Reznik]] "Short conclusion: we have to lost our Fedora identity...", two of the top Fedora KDE contributors.
Once the process is defined, it will be widely publicised so the larger community can take part into it "process announced in Fedora Weekly news & Fedora Forum; process announced on Planet fpo; each phase of the process announced in FWN & on Planet FPO & Fedora Forum; maybe some kind of podcast, www.fpo banner, some kinds of publicity that way to get people involved."
 
[[User:mccann|William Jon McCann]] was more radical<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000178.html</ref> "Eventually, the Fedora board will realize that today's conception of spins is a failed experiment and force this change" and suggested Fedora KDE  contributors should go the Kubuntu way "If I were working on a KDE desktop that is based on Fedora packages the first thing I would do is make sure I differentiate it from Fedora since Fedora is a GNOME based project - and that is not going to change[...] his is not a new idea - Kubuntu has been doing this for years now". He was countered<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000181.html</ref> by [[User:kanarip|Jeroen van Meeuwen]] "GNOME is not upstream for Fedora in it's entirety. Without GNOME, there would still be a viable Fedora Project. Where did you get the impression Fedora is a GNOME based project?" who defended the spins concept "Today's conception of spins is not a failed experiment although maybe in your opinion it doesn't meet your personal needs and/or expectations" and outlined the Fedora KDE spin as a positive example "I think the KDE spin in this regard has been one of the most outstanding examples of building a show-case spin exactly doing what is the purpose of spins to begin with."


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Artwork

In this section, we cover the Fedora Design Team[1].

Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei

  1. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork

Looking Forward to Fedora 12

After Thomas Kole asked[1] about what is the Fedora 12 theme "I really want to create a wallpaper for f12, but what is the theme?" and Nicu Buculei pointed[2] it will be announced in approximatively one week "I believe the result is expected to be announced next week at FUDCon", Martin Sourada started the debate[3] about tht process for to be used"what's the theming process for F12?" and provided a first sketch "1. sketching the base concepts[...] 2. get initial approach wallpapers into Alpha[...] 3. have most of the artwork covered by Beta[...] 4. polish for RCs and Final".

Nicu further outlined[4] the tight schedule "According to the schedule, we have Alpha freeze on 2009-08-04 and Alpha release on 2009-08-18", Martin mentioned[5] some past problems to avoid "First of all we need to make clear it's not competition, but we still need more than one designs" and Máirín Duffy advanced[6] a possible different approach "I wonder if we could take an approach instead of creating the base image from scratch this time, to go out and search the best of openly-licensed content and try to provide a thematic selection?", which was disliked[7] by Nicu "is like us dropping the ball and acknowledging we are not able to create ourselves something good enough", Martin[8] and Samuele Storari[9] "I hope we will not stop create, and, I think we may work again in the contest mode", but also Martin noticed[10] how the old process has put a lot unreasonable stress on Máirín's shoulders "One of the things I remember from the past releases are your all-nighters that saved us from disasters, especially considering you are doing it in your spare time..."

After a few more rounds of debate, Máirín Duffy proposed[11] a plan: "I think I really like the requirement that the default be: original, vector, abstract, theme-related. And that we pick, let's say as originally proposed, 4 works from the creative commons / openly-licensed community that are related to the theme as well and have the following breakdown: 2 general appeal / any age group, 1 appeal to children, 1 appeal to women" which was positively received, with a possible addition by Nicu Buculei[12] "- a larger "extras" package (but not very large) yummable from the repository and *maybe* also on the install DVD; a huge gallery with *everything* available online, where people can browse with Firefox and use it's "set image as desktop background" option."

Once the process is defined, it will be widely publicised so the larger community can take part into it "process announced in Fedora Weekly news & Fedora Forum; process announced on Planet fpo; each phase of the process announced in FWN & on Planet FPO & Fedora Forum; maybe some kind of podcast, www.fpo banner, some kinds of publicity that way to get people involved."

  1. ↑ http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000205.html
  2. ↑ http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000210.html
  3. ↑ http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000206.html
  4. ↑ http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000211.html
  5. ↑ http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000215.html
  6. ↑ http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000218.html
  7. ↑ http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000228.html
  8. ↑ http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000244.html
  9. ↑ http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000229.html
  10. ↑ http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000248.html
  11. ↑ http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000250.html
  12. ↑ http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000252.html
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