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[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00386.html
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00386.html
When the discuss started to look like a classic flamewar, [[PaulFrields]] dropped a bomb by showing[4] a movie poster identical with the theme discussed "Samuele, I'm a big fan of Quentin Tarantino, and collected some desktop backgrounds when Kill Bill Vol. 1 was going to be released.  One of the backgrounds features a katana sword which looks to me to be identical to the one in your source .XCF file" and outlined the importance of having all of the elements of a design Free in order to have the result Free "When we talk about having an entirely free desktop theme, it means that *all* the elements must be created from free sources."
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00394.html
As Samuele continued to deny any wrongdoing "the Blade wasn't the same cos the blade was totally recreated. Take a look to the source file and please post something similar", [[NicuBuculei]] created and posted[6] a short video[7] revealing the similarities "What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., uncanny"
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00397.html
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00398.html
[7] http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv
During the heated debate, [[MartinSourada]] expressed[8] his doubts regarding the allegations against the two themes proposed by Samuele "First, I have an impression that Mo and Nicu are somehow biased against Samuele's work. First, some weeks ago, Mo kept asking Samuele about Moon brushes in the Solar theme, when the Moons were already removed from the artwork, next there is the problem in katana. As nicu pointed out, the original design indeed resembles the Kill Bill poster, but even though I saw the .ogv file he provided, I am not 100% convinced Samuele used that katana" and "I believe both Mo and Nicu are just trying to prevent any legal issues that might arose in the future otherwise" but after seeing additional evidence provided by [[MairinDuffy]][9] and [[CharlieBrej]][10] he changed his position "Mo and Nicu, I'd like to apologize for accusing you from being biased and pointing out outdated issues. It was me who was wrong and I should
have checked the sources first. While part of the sword was replaced, the tilt was indeed from the same source image and I was wrong in arguing otherwise."
[8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00436.html
[9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00437.html
[10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00438.html
After the vote ended and after a long and heated debate, [[SamueleStorari]] apologised for his misunderstandings about licensing "First of all I want to apologize with all art-team and mailing list member for last two days mails. This is my first work in FOSS environment and I didn't understand all implication and I saw your continue checking on my work as a way to find something wrong" and started to work fixing his two themes proposals and remove a number of tainted graphic elements from them. At the moment of this report, Samuele is closely collaborating with other members of the team on this task and the Solar theme cleaned almost completely.
[11] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00463.html
=== Lessons from the flamewar ===
In parallel with the debate surrounding the license of a couple of theme proposals for Fedora 10, [[MairinDuffy]] opened a debate[1] about the future policy
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00425.html

Revision as of 13:30, 26 September 2008

Artwork

In this section, we cover the Fedora Artwork Project.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork

Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei

The desktop theme for Fedora 10 was chosen

MairinDuffy announced[1] the vote for the default theme in Fedora 10 on @fedora-art "Nigel Jones set up a vote for us to vote on round 3. You must be a member of the art group in the accounts system to be eligible to vote" and after the voting process ended, MichaelBeckwith announced[2] the winner, the Solar theme[3] "We weren't feeling completely InvinXble. However, being the FOSS advocates we are, and with our support of Fedora, we were not afraid of of the unknown frontier. The Gears of time shown bright with a healthy Neon glow, but neither of these had very much effect on the course of destiny. Come join us as we sail into the Solar future for Fedora 10 later this year" and MaxSpevack drew the conclusion: "They are all beautifully done pieces of artwork, and I really hope that everyone in the Art Team is proud of what the group has collectively achieved. I say 'congrats' to everyone on the Art Team."

[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00364.html

[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar

[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00455.html

[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00456.html

The fight for the theme

As the vote for the Fedora 10 theme was closed to the members of the Art Team, a lot of people tried to vote even if they weren't members of the team, as MairinDuffy noted[1]: "Since i announced the F10 theme vote, we've received a deluge of art group membership requests, some clearly approveable but many not" and she reminded the requirements to become a member, which are listed on the project's page[2]. DavidNielsen tried an appeal on her blog[3] "Maybe the solution is to open the vote, even if we are not inclined to contribute in your area of Fedora we might still have an opinion. Do you want other contributors to make decisions on the projects collective future without including you?" but Mairin remained firm "As an artist, I don't expect to have a vote on many technical decisions. I wonder how someone without both the experience and inclination to provide artwork for Fedora would have the expertise necessary to make an informed decision" and concluded "Everyone has an opinion. Not everyone is willing to put their money where their mouth is. It is a shame."

[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00371.html

[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#First_Steps

[3] http://mihmo.livejournal.com/62031.html


The theme soap opera

While the vote for the Fedora 10 theme was ongoing, SethKenlon reminded[1] an old issue with one of the contenders and asked for an update "I am not clear, is this to be the final katana or is it still being swapped out with a newly photographed one? I recall there being an issue with licensing, and thought we would be seeing a different sword...but maybe I missed the thread in which all of this was solved" on which NicuBuculei expressed[2] his remaining doubts "Honestly, I have some doubts about hat: sstorari *claimed* he remade the image using his own (Free) photo as a base and he posted the reference photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ While it looks pretty much like a katana (just like the photos used previously), the sword in the photo is not at the same angle as the sword in the wallpaper (so the hilt looks different), which make me have some doubts", which raised an angry answer[3] from SamueleStorari, the theme author, who claimed innocence "If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0."

[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00369.html

[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00383.html

[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00386.html

When the discuss started to look like a classic flamewar, PaulFrields dropped a bomb by showing[4] a movie poster identical with the theme discussed "Samuele, I'm a big fan of Quentin Tarantino, and collected some desktop backgrounds when Kill Bill Vol. 1 was going to be released. One of the backgrounds features a katana sword which looks to me to be identical to the one in your source .XCF file" and outlined the importance of having all of the elements of a design Free in order to have the result Free "When we talk about having an entirely free desktop theme, it means that *all* the elements must be created from free sources."

[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00394.html

As Samuele continued to deny any wrongdoing "the Blade wasn't the same cos the blade was totally recreated. Take a look to the source file and please post something similar", NicuBuculei created and posted[6] a short video[7] revealing the similarities "What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., uncanny"

[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00397.html

[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00398.html

[7] http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv

During the heated debate, MartinSourada expressed[8] his doubts regarding the allegations against the two themes proposed by Samuele "First, I have an impression that Mo and Nicu are somehow biased against Samuele's work. First, some weeks ago, Mo kept asking Samuele about Moon brushes in the Solar theme, when the Moons were already removed from the artwork, next there is the problem in katana. As nicu pointed out, the original design indeed resembles the Kill Bill poster, but even though I saw the .ogv file he provided, I am not 100% convinced Samuele used that katana" and "I believe both Mo and Nicu are just trying to prevent any legal issues that might arose in the future otherwise" but after seeing additional evidence provided by MairinDuffy[9] and CharlieBrej[10] he changed his position "Mo and Nicu, I'd like to apologize for accusing you from being biased and pointing out outdated issues. It was me who was wrong and I should have checked the sources first. While part of the sword was replaced, the tilt was indeed from the same source image and I was wrong in arguing otherwise."

[8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00436.html

[9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00437.html

[10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00438.html

After the vote ended and after a long and heated debate, SamueleStorari apologised for his misunderstandings about licensing "First of all I want to apologize with all art-team and mailing list member for last two days mails. This is my first work in FOSS environment and I didn't understand all implication and I saw your continue checking on my work as a way to find something wrong" and started to work fixing his two themes proposals and remove a number of tainted graphic elements from them. At the moment of this report, Samuele is closely collaborating with other members of the team on this task and the Solar theme cleaned almost completely.

[11] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00463.html

Lessons from the flamewar

In parallel with the debate surrounding the license of a couple of theme proposals for Fedora 10, MairinDuffy opened a debate[1] about the future policy

[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00425.html