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| colspan="2" | =-= herlo has changed the topic to ``Marketing Meeting''
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|- id="t20:02:59"
| colspan="2" | * spevack is like the Meeting Terminator today
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|- id="t20:03:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | hehe :)
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|- id="t20:03:10"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | charging from one to another and leaving destruction in my wake
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|- id="t20:04:18"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | lol
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|- id="t20:04:27"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | how many are here so far
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|- id="t20:04:46"
! style="background-color: #854685" | biertie
| style="color: #854685" | biertie here!
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|- id="t20:04:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | Rolling call?
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|- id="t20:04:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | biertie
| style="color: #854685" | .fas biertie
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|- id="t20:04:58"
! style="background-color: #488888" | zodbot
| style="color: #488888" | biertie: biertie 'Bert Desmet' <bert@devnox.be>
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | yeah roll call i guess
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|- id="t20:05:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | Steven Moix
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | lets make it quick i dont want to fall behind
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|- id="t20:06:03"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mizmo-out
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | hi
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|- id="t20:06:05"
| colspan="2" | =-= mizmo-out is now known as mizmo
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | fugolini
| style="color: #4b904b" | FrancescoUgolini
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|- id="t20:06:18"
| colspan="2" | * themayor waves to mizmo
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|- id="t20:06:23"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Máirín Duffy
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | yo themayor
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|- id="t20:07:40"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | lcafeiro is on his way to scale i know that
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|- id="t20:08:15"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | Max
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| colspan="2" | hondra has left freenode ("chramst..mlask..hehehe")
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | still trying to extract himself from #fedora-ambassadors meeting
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|- id="t20:08:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | np
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|- id="t20:08:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | alright, moixs youre recording, right?
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|- id="t20:08:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | This time, yes :)
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| colspan="2" | Jibesh has left freenode ()
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | okay thanks for that
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|- id="t20:09:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | did you see the not about the irclog2html thing?
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|- id="t20:09:59"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | should make your life alot easier
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|- id="t20:10:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | Yes, I already experimented with it
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | okay great
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | should be up 1 minute after the meeting ;) So spevack should be happy
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|- id="t20:10:51"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | anyway, lets move on to bigger and better things then
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|- id="t20:10:57"
| colspan="2" | * spevack is willing to give you 10 minutes :)
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|- id="t20:11:02"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | lol
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| colspan="2" | fbijlsma has left freenode (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
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|- id="t20:11:55"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | ping?
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|- id="t20:12:30"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | yeah
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|- id="t20:12:40"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | i was looking something up in email
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|- id="t20:12:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | alright
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|- id="t20:12:58"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | so im glad that people were receptive to the new idea
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|- id="t20:13:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | so we gonna start working from that starting from this meeting
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| colspan="2" | susmit has left freenode ("Leaving")
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|- id="t20:13:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | i kind of sucks that ianweller and jonrob cant make it to the meetings anymore
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|- id="t20:14:05"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | fugolini
| style="color: #4b904b" | can we have a new meeting time?
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | fugolini
| style="color: #4b904b" | (to have them here)
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|- id="t20:14:25"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | if thats what everyone wants and it will get more people here, then sure, im not opposed
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|- id="t20:14:55"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | well, let's do what we can today, without them.  is there anything on our agenda that doesn't involve ian or jonrob?
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|- id="t20:15:00"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | a couple hours later in the day would probably all that needs to happen...
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|- id="t20:15:20"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | yeah, yes, i was about to say, lets not discuss it right now, but do it on the list
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|- id="t20:15:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | a couple of hours later is in the middle of the night in europe :p
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|- id="t20:15:30"
! style="background-color: #854685" | biertie
| style="color: #854685" | a couple hours = like...? :p
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|- id="t20:15:44"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | it might need to be earlier actually
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|- id="t20:15:45"
| colspan="2" | * herlo agrees with spevack, however
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|- id="t20:15:49"
! style="background-color: #854685" | biertie
| style="color: #854685" | I can come till 21 or 22h utc :)
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|- id="t20:16:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | Let's ask this on the mailinglist
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|- id="t20:16:07"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | this can be discussed on the ml
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | fugolini
| style="color: #4b904b" | +1
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|- id="t20:16:18"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | okay, can someone be the wrangler for this stuff and try and coordinate between everyone?
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|- id="t20:16:29"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | and then report back to us next week?
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|- id="t20:16:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll do it
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|- id="t20:16:46"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | or send an official mail to the list regarding what should be done
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|- id="t20:16:50"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | moixs: thanks again man
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|- id="t20:17:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | ideally if we are going to change times, we should have it done by next week already
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|- id="t20:17:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | agreed?
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|- id="t20:17:24"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | yes
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|- id="t20:17:25"
! style="background-color: #854685" | biertie
| style="color: #854685" | agreed :)
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|- id="t20:17:35"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | okay good
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|- id="t20:18:07"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | now moving on, moixs thanks for your post to the list about action items that should be on the calendar
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|- id="t20:18:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | did everyone see that?
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|- id="t20:18:29"
| colspan="2" | * biertie did
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|- id="t20:18:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | I think that this should be put on the wiki so everyone can add ideas in the subtasks
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|- id="t20:19:30"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | yes agreed
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|- id="t20:19:37"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | i was going to ask you if you thought you had time to do so
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|- id="t20:20:36"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | so the schedule from now on is going to be on Marketing/Schedule/Current
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|- id="t20:20:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | and thats going to be a link to Marketing/Schedule/Fedora 11 Marketing Schedule
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|- id="t20:20:59"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | themayor: you mean Current_marketing_schedule to keep our wiki overlords happy :)
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|- id="t20:21:06"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | and Category:Marketing
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|- id="t20:21:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | yeah whatever
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|- id="t20:21:26"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | im bad with that stuff, i need to work with pfrields or kwade to get that stuff in order
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|- id="t20:21:42"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | Well, we start by making any new pages in the proper fashion
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|- id="t20:21:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | but conceptually, we are on the same page
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|- id="t20:21:51"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | yes, please continue
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | spevack: yes, thats what i meant
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|- id="t20:22:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | themayor: ok, I'll manage that tomorrow too
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|- id="t20:22:18"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | i dont even know if i did the current schedule page correctly
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|- id="t20:22:39"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | because i used {{Marketing/Schedule/Template}} and I think thats not good right?
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|- id="t20:23:30"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | Content is more important than presentation, IMHO.  Throw it up on the right page (Current_marketing_schedule) and then clean it up
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|- id="t20:23:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | either way from last week's meeting everyone was supposed to send me tasks that thought should be on there and no one did yet, except for moixs
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|- id="t20:24:20"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | okay so can we discuss then the range of things which we need to do for each release and then carry that over into specifically f11?
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|- id="t20:24:22"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | themayor: I thought the tasks that were on JonRob's schedule page were quite complete
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|- id="t20:24:29"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | themayor: +1
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|- id="t20:25:03"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | the stuff thats on there is for now, yes
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|- id="t20:25:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | except there are 1-2 things that need to be added
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|- id="t20:25:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | but anyway, working with what we have
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|- id="t20:25:30"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | lay press contacts, that list will be up at the meeting next week
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|- id="t20:25:40"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | i have a list here of people we usually talk to and people we might want to speak to
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|- id="t20:26:14"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | themayor: who's in charge of the lay press contacts?
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|- id="t20:26:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | due date is 03-03 so i figure if we have it by next week, its enough time for people to look it over and tell me what they think and if we are missing anone
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|- id="t20:26:22"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | me
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|- id="t20:26:30"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | ok.  :)
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|- id="t20:26:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | of contacting them or making the list?
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|- id="t20:26:35"
| colspan="2" | * herlo makes a suggestion about the wiki
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|- id="t20:26:37"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | making the list
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|- id="t20:26:50"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | herlo: suggest away
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|- id="t20:26:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | im responsible for the initial list and i guess we will work with it from there
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|- id="t20:27:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | herlo: go
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|- id="t20:27:02"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | as you go to pages that have this/that/theother just do a move to the appropriate name this_that_theother
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|- id="t20:27:06"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | that's what I do
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|- id="t20:27:13"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | herlo: clever man
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|- id="t20:27:15"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | it will make moving things around a lot easier
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|- id="t20:27:20"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | and everyone can help
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| colspan="2" | maths has left freenode (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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|- id="t20:27:44"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | fugolini
| style="color: #4b904b" | sure
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|- id="t20:27:47"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | if you don't know what to change it to, ask the WikiCzar :)
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | we need to make a session where we can meet up and have ian here and work on that stuff
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | herlo: so the wiki structure is basically completely "flat" now?
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | moixs: yep
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | basically
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | ahha
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | the trick is to also add categories
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | if we focus on it for an hour once or twice between now and say 2 weeks from now, we could accomplish quite alot
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | like [[Category:Marketing]] at the bottom of the pages making them relevant and they'll show up in the category pages
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | that's how mediawiki categorizes things
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | ill kickstart that discussion on the list right now actually
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | herlo: yep, I've seen that, thanks
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | np, good luck all
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | themayor: include a discussion about pages we could delete
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | feel free to hit me up with q's too
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | herlo: would you want to help lead one of those session then maybe?
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | moixs: deleting pages is a whole other discussion
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | themayor: sure
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| style="color: #407a40" | herlo: may I ask why?
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | okay awesome, thanks, just reply to the thread and we will figure out the logsitics together i guess
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | moixs: in #fedora-mktg, I'll explain so we don't detract
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| style="color: #818144" | okay great
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| style="color: #818144" | anyway, now, so we have tasks for f11 set more or less, we will add things to it, im sure, so i want to talk generally now
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | lets walk through a release cycle and try and enumerate what we need to do, just to get an inital list
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | sound good?
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| style="color: #4b904b" | yes
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | go for it
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | +1
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | okay so one thing i was having kind of a struggle with was this
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | lets start at 6 weeks prior to an alpha
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | themayor: let me put my list quickly on the wiki so we can update it in real time
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| style="color: #818144" | okay sure
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | it will be more efficient than doing it afterwards
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | themayor: is 6 weeks prior to alpha basically the previous release?
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | its a little after isnt it?
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | the alpha doesnt come out 6 weeks after GA
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule/Template
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | unless im misunderstanding what you are asking
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | themayor: you understand me
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | here you go, can you update it during the meeting?
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | carry on, sorry
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | yeah one second the page is taking a while to refresh maybe a cache flush
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | moixs: pretty good list, there
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | what does "    *  Renew the news distribution network people list to always have " mean?
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | he means have it update for this release
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | meaning if there is stale info on it or someone we dont want to deal with
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | spevack: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/NewsDistributionNetwork
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | yes, to avoid te ambassador effect :)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | I think it would be a good idea to ask people at every cycle if they still want the job
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | 2-3 people per language, not hard to manage
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | ok, makes sense.  I think we need a checkpoint other than "FUDCon" though, since there is not always guaranteed to be a FUDCon at the right time in the release cycle
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | yeah thats why i said 6 weeks prior to alpha
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | all the checkpoints should be at a certain date, X weeks/days before the release date
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | themayor: yeah
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| colspan="2" | * spevack updates the page
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | Ok, change it to "Alpha -6 weeks" or something like that
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | i like t-minus X weeks to alpha, beta, etc
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | done
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | alpha-6
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | So, what do you see us doing in this period?
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | okay also one VERY important thing
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | talking points
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | and have the first of the two meetings between us, fam, docs and art
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | actually, mizmo, when do you start developing themes for a new release?
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | themayor, we already started
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | themayor, we'll have a wallpaper in the beta
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | (a rough cut i might add)
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | (very rough)
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | no i know, but im saying in the future, in general how many weeks before
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | it's changed every release. generally we've been pushing further and further back so we are as early as we can
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | be
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| colspan="2" | * herlo thinks those points in time should be defined as 'Milestones' of their own maybe?
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | and can be defined against alpha beta or GA?
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | yes
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | this is why we need to have those types of meetings
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | that way, they can move a little...
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | to iron out policy and process to coordinate
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | right
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | poelcat does have that all defined in his f11 schedule
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | right we are trying to set up the same thing for marketing, as a general template for every release
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | mizmo: for f12 is 6 weeks before alpha too late to sit down and talk about the artwork for you guys?
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | themayor, not if we have a release name by then
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | we did not for the f11 alpha -6 weeks
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | iirc
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | ah ha, good point, art would naturally be tied to release name somewhow
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | Ah yes, the release name is an important trigger too..do we have an idea when this comes?
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | how long before alpha is name voting done? spevack do you know?
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | themayor: let me look back at F11 and i'll tell you in a few mins
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | fugolini
| style="color: #4b904b" | ping
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| colspan="2" | * herlo thinks we call that a Milestone: Official Codename Announced
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | themayor, you'll probably want to look at poelcat's schedule, he has all these milestones on it
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | themayor: voting began on Jan 5
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | so about 1 month before alpha
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | i did i dont remember seeing that
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | let me look again
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | it should be, he had it out at fudcon boston not long ago
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | and i remember that being on there
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | i was going to sit with poelstra regardless on our template schedule to make sure everything looks kosher to him
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | I have this in the news archive page :p
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | themayor: good idea
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! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | mizmo: no im not denying youre right, im just blaming my bad memory and over-involvedness
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | 12.01
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | its all good :)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | And the alpha was released on 06.02
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | does that help?
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|- id="t20:51:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | either way, that fits in the alpha minus 6 timeframe, so in a word, yes, its good to have that meeting then
|| [[#t20:51:43|20:51]]
|- id="t20:52:28"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | its perfect, right before we have the name, art should be gearing up, ambassadors are doing what they do and docs is working on retooling things for the next release
|| [[#t20:52:28|20:52]]
|- id="t20:53:00"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | well we need an extra two weeks
|| [[#t20:53:00|20:53]]
|- id="t20:53:05"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | the voting began on jan 5
|| [[#t20:53:05|20:53]]
|- id="t20:53:12"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | the name was decided when?
|| [[#t20:53:12|20:53]]
|- id="t20:53:17"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | at fudcon
|| [[#t20:53:17|20:53]]
|- id="t20:53:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | 12.01
|| [[#t20:53:21|20:53]]
|- id="t20:53:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | or 01.12 in US notation
|| [[#t20:53:42|20:53]]
|- id="t20:53:47"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | ty
|| [[#t20:53:47|20:53]]
|- id="t20:53:53"
| colspan="2" | * herlo was gettign so confused :)
|| [[#t20:53:53|20:53]]
|- id="t20:53:58"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | so the art team gets 2 weeks to figure out what to visually represent?
|| [[#t20:53:58|20:53]]
|- id="t20:54:03"
| colspan="2" | * mizmo doesnt remember what it was for f11
|| [[#t20:54:03|20:54]]
|- id="t20:54:09"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | i think it was feb 2
|| [[#t20:54:09|20:54]]
|- id="t20:54:12"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | so we did get 2 weeks
|| [[#t20:54:12|20:54]]
|- id="t20:54:33"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | i mean, 6 weeks before the alpha, the first 4 weeks the art team is not going to know what they are doing for the artwork
|| [[#t20:54:33|20:54]]
|- id="t20:54:44"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | and you were interested in 6 weeks before
|| [[#t20:54:44|20:54]]
|- id="t20:55:29"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | mizmo: you dont have to have decision or anything by then
|| [[#t20:55:29|20:55]]
|- id="t20:55:36"
| colspan="2" | =-= willygarcia_ is now known as willy_willbeback
|| [[#t20:55:36|20:55]]
|- id="t20:55:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | its just like a pre-milestone metting to get coordinated between each other
|| [[#t20:55:42|20:55]]
|- id="t20:55:58"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | and to make sure if you need marketing to help with anything, that we are doing ti
|| [[#t20:55:58|20:55]]
|- id="t20:56:09"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | adn will be able to have it on schedule assigned to someone
|| [[#t20:56:09|20:56]]
|- id="t20:56:14"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | themayor: may I offer a suggestion?
|| [[#t20:56:14|20:56]]
|- id="t20:56:27"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | themayor, ohhh okay
|| [[#t20:56:27|20:56]]
|- id="t20:56:30"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mizmo
| style="color: #4d4d93" | themayor, makes sense
|| [[#t20:56:30|20:56]]
|- id="t20:56:39"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | spevack: yes
|| [[#t20:56:39|20:56]]
|- id="t20:57:05"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | one of the things that we need to recognize here is that especially in the context of a release, and the schedule of tasks around a release
|| [[#t20:57:05|20:57]]
|- id="t20:57:19"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | there is a lot of coordination needed between marketing, websites, and artwork, in all directions.
|| [[#t20:57:19|20:57]]
|- id="t20:57:35"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | I think that it would be wise to have a checkpoint before Alpha, Beta, RC, Final for those three groups to all get on the same page
|| [[#t20:57:35|20:57]]
|- id="t20:57:49"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | thoughts from anyone?
|| [[#t20:57:49|20:57]]
|- id="t20:58:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | moixs
| style="color: #407a40" | Add this task to the list then, a joint meeting to see if no group lags behind
|| [[#t20:58:10|20:58]]
|- id="t20:58:14"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | fugolini
| style="color: #4b904b" | nothing from my side, at list for this point
|| [[#t20:58:14|20:58]]
|- id="t20:58:36"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | herlo
| style="color: #97974f" | +1 spevack
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|- id="t20:58:49"
| colspan="2" | ivazquez|laptop (n=ignacio@fedora/ignacio) has joined #fedora-meeting
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|- id="t20:59:18"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | thats why i proposed two meetings
|| [[#t20:59:18|20:59]]
|- id="t20:59:27"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | one before alpha and one between beta and GA
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|- id="t20:59:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | but if we want to we can add another
|| [[#t20:59:38|20:59]]
|- id="t20:59:52"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | spevack: thoughts?
|| [[#t20:59:52|20:59]]
|- id="t21:00:09"
| colspan="2" | * mmcgrath coughs
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|- id="t21:00:33"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | mmcgrath
| style="color: #9b519b" | you guys almost ready or should we move to #fedora-admin?
|| [[#t21:00:33|21:00]]
|- id="t21:00:43"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | ah, sorry mike
|| [[#t21:00:43|21:00]]
|- id="t21:00:48"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | we'll move to #fedora-mktg
|| [[#t21:00:48|21:00]]
|- id="t21:00:55"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | themayor: sounds good, btw
|| [[#t21:00:55|21:00]]
|- id="t21:00:56"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | fugolini
| style="color: #4b904b" | ok
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|- id="t21:01:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | themayor
| style="color: #818144" | yeah will that mess up the log, btw?
|| [[#t21:01:00|21:01]]
|- id="t21:01:05"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | mmcgrath
| style="color: #9b519b" | no worries
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|- id="t21:01:12"
| colspan="2" | ChitleshGoorah has left freenode (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
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|- id="t21:01:16"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | themayor: i'll work with moixs to make sure it all works out
|| [[#t21:01:16|21:01]]
|- id="t21:01:39"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | EVERYONE, TO #FEDORA-MKTG
|| [[#t21:01:39|21:01]]
|- id="t21:01:46"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | spevack
| style="color: #42427e" | mmcgrath: do your thang
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