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2009-05-26 0500 UTC on #fedora-meeting at Freenode
Agenda
- previous meeting: I18N/Meetings/2009-05-12
- Test_Days:IBus debrief
- ibus f10 update
- f12 Features
- Imsettings for other window managers [dchen]
- KeyboardLayoutProposal [dchen]
- Open discussion
- Next meeting I18N/Meetings/2009-06-09
Summary
- Features/YumLangpackPlugin discussion
- imsettings for minimal desktops needs more thought
- Ding discussed taxonomy for general kbd layout types (qwerty, etc)
- ivazquez asked about ibus support for sugar frame
Log
| juhp | welcome to the Fedora I18n biweekly meeting | May 26 15:00 |
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| paragn | hi | May 26 15:00 |
| juhp | hi paragn | May 26 15:01 |
| juhp | who's here? | May 26 15:01 |
| tagoh3 | hi | May 26 15:01 |
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| *ianweller hands juhp the packet cartridges | May 26 15:02 | |
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| juhp | ping pravins, dychen_, phuang_ | May 26 15:03 |
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| phuang_ | hi | May 26 15:03 |
| pravins | hi juhp | May 26 15:03 |
| juhp | ianweller: :) | May 26 15:03 |
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| dychen_ | hi jensp | May 26 15:03 |
| juhp | okay I think we have some people here anyway so maybe can get started | May 26 15:03 |
| jni | hi jensp | May 26 15:04 |
| juhp | hi guys | May 26 15:04 |
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| juhp | I18N/Meetings/2009-05-26 | May 26 15:04 |
| juhp | quite a full agenda today but will try to not go on too long | May 26 15:04 |
| juhp | okay just checking the minutes from the last meeting | May 26 15:05 |
| juhp | I think the action items there should be ok now | May 26 15:05 |
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| juhp | paragn: relnotes were updated I suppose? | May 26 15:06 |
| juhp | rahulb may not be here yet | May 26 15:06 |
| juhp | # Test_Days:IBus debrief | May 26 15:06 |
| juhp | ok we already had some discussion about this in the ibus project meeting last week | May 26 15:07 |
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| juhp | the ibus test day was very useful to getting more exposure to ibus from native users - specially the l10n team | May 26 15:07 |
| juhp | and we had a bunch of bugs/rfe's filed which was very good | May 26 15:08 |
| juhp | if we had a second chance we can probably polish and sharpen the testcases further and raise the bar a bit more :) | May 26 15:09 |
| juhp | anyone have any comments or reflections on it? | May 26 15:10 |
| juhp | I wish we had more non-Asian testers too but we did stir a few conversations on the mailing-lists from some of them at least | May 26 15:10 |
| phuang_ | when f11 is released, I think we will get more bug reports. | May 26 15:10 |
| juhp | phuang_: yeah I guess so | May 26 15:11 |
| juhp | it will be a busy time - it is always hard when changing the input-method system | May 26 15:11 |
| phuang_ | :) | May 26 15:11 |
| juhp | reminds me though that scim seems to stop working for me when I upgrade from f10 to f11 | May 26 15:11 |
| juhp | tagoh3: any thoughts on that? | May 26 15:12 |
| phuang_ | juhp, it can works on my box | May 26 15:12 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: can't say anything without more details though, scim has a potential problem to bring it up successfully at least. | May 26 15:13 |
| juhp | phuang_: hmm ok - I should test more perhaps - I have seen it twice now - i had to turn off in imsettings and restart desktop to get it working for me | May 26 15:13 |
| juhp | tagoh3: so what changed for scim? | May 26 15:13 |
| juhp | tagoh3: ok I can try more with a fresh upgrade later - so it works for you? | May 26 15:14 |
| tagoh3 | no it originally has.. as I suggested before, it may be a good idea to have any features/options to replace the running process perhaps. | May 26 15:14 |
| tagoh3 | instead of just fail | May 26 15:15 |
| juhp | tagoh3: feature in im-chooser? | May 26 15:15 |
| juhp | ok | May 26 15:15 |
| tagoh3 | in scim like other window manager do with --replace say | May 26 15:15 |
| juhp | tagoh3: if it is reproducible it seems pretty serious to me anyway | May 26 15:15 |
| juhp | hmm | May 26 15:15 |
| juhp | tagoh3: is it to do with later startup of imsettings? | May 26 15:16 |
| tagoh3 | or scim should kills all of processes brought up if something failed | May 26 15:16 |
| juhp | I am still a puzzled - I guess no major changes in this area on the scim side? | May 26 15:16 |
| juhp | hmm | May 26 15:16 |
| juhp | or we should just move people to ibus? | May 26 15:16 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: not sure if it's same issue but you can see similar fails if you run scim twice on different terminal or so. | May 26 15:17 |
| juhp | I guess it is too to do anything about it for GA but if we can fix it early in updates would be good IMO | May 26 15:17 |
| juhp | hmm | May 26 15:17 |
| juhp | s/too/too late/ | May 26 15:18 |
| tagoh3 | i.e. scim always fails if any process keeps running. | May 26 15:18 |
| juhp | tagoh3: well it may be scim's fault but guess it is being triggered by imsettings, no? | May 26 15:18 |
| tagoh3 | and remember scim is brought up from immodule too | May 26 15:18 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: no way of killing them | May 26 15:19 |
| juhp | okay anyway guess we need to test more | May 26 15:19 |
| juhp | tagoh3: ok but f10 was ok... | May 26 15:19 |
| juhp | ok we better move on | May 26 15:19 |
| tagoh3 | imsettings only keeps the main process on track and "scim" itself fails so imsettings decides no IM running. | May 26 15:20 |
| juhp | aha | May 26 15:20 |
| juhp | tagoh3: so f10 imsettings didn't care? | May 26 15:20 |
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| tagoh3 | basically yes | May 26 15:20 |
| juhp | ok | May 26 15:20 |
| juhp | I'll try and play around it a bit more | May 26 15:21 |
| tagoh3 | no design changed at all | May 26 15:21 |
| juhp | the idea of patching scim is not too attractive though | May 26 15:21 |
| juhp | I am curious if just restarting desktop would help | May 26 15:21 |
| juhp | tagoh3: maybe imsettings should ignore fail scim then ;) | May 26 15:22 |
| juhp | # F12 Features | May 26 15:22 |
| tagoh3 | this may be not the case for scim only but if IM has multiple processes running, any processes in IM should takes care of children as well | May 26 15:22 |
| juhp | I guess the f12 process is already well open and underway | May 26 15:22 |
| juhp | tagoh3: ok | May 26 15:22 |
| juhp | f12 feature process * | May 26 15:23 |
| juhp | is anyone planning any F12 features | May 26 15:23 |
| juhp | I wrote an initial one for Yum Langpack plugins on Friday | May 26 15:23 |
| juhp | comments and feedback welcome | May 26 15:23 |
| juhp | I will do a blog about later this week to give it more eyes though it was already discussed a bit on f-d-l a while back | May 26 15:24 |
| juhp | I hope it is still a good idea at least until we have something better than comps | May 26 15:25 |
| juhp | Features/YumLangpackPlugin | May 26 15:25 |
| juhp | there are couple of tools that might be useful to have | May 26 15:26 |
| juhp | font list preferences and locale customization come to mind | May 26 15:27 |
| juhp | any others? | May 26 15:27 |
| paragan | juhp, but we can use yum to install language support and that group pulls translations also as per written in comps right? | May 26 15:28 |
| juhp | paragan: yeah we can | May 26 15:28 |
| juhp | paragan: my feature would be to do that automatically without the extra step | May 26 15:29 |
| juhp | or even having to know about that | May 26 15:29 |
| paragan | aha ok | May 26 15:30 |
| juhp | one problem is how to do for Live I guess | May 26 15:30 |
| juhp | so far I thought of using meta-packages but maybe a config tool would be better | May 26 15:31 |
| tagoh3 | wouldn't it rather be a compose issue? | May 26 15:32 |
| juhp | tagoh3: I mean how to enable it from a Live install | May 26 15:32 |
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| tagoh3 | juhp: you don't expect to have them installed in Live image by default? | May 26 15:33 |
| juhp | maybe meta-packages doesn't really buy one anything except needing to rebuild the metapkg every time there is a new lang... | May 26 15:33 |
| juhp | tagoh3: them? :) | May 26 15:33 |
| tagoh3 | langpack packages | May 26 15:34 |
| juhp | tagoh3: no | May 26 15:34 |
| juhp | well not all anyway | May 26 15:34 |
| juhp | and besides most of the packages with lang packs are not on Live anyway | May 26 15:35 |
| juhp | maybe except firefox ;-P | May 26 15:35 |
| juhp | and maybe some others I am forgetting :) | May 26 15:35 |
| tagoh3 | is it new? if no langpack installed but trying to upgrade, doesn't this plugin help in this case? | May 26 15:35 |
| juhp | that's another question what to do for upgrades | May 26 15:36 |
| juhp | I have been thinking maybe only to apply for installation of new packages | May 26 15:37 |
| juhp | I mean someone might not want a particular langpack and uninstall | May 26 15:37 |
| juhp | unless one uses a blacklist or something | May 26 15:37 |
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| juhp | tagoh3: but yes it could | May 26 15:37 |
| juhp | I think the main hurdle will be to get the plugin into the default install anyway | May 26 15:39 |
| juhp | not even sure if we install the package for os upgrades it would not hurt I guess | May 26 15:39 |
| juhp | (and to have to enabled by default) | May 26 15:39 |
| juhp | anyway will be interesting to see how far it goes - I should get some feedback skvidal too | May 26 15:40 |
| jni | junp, what about remove using Yum Langpack ? | May 26 15:40 |
| juhp | jni: I think that case should be easier assuming the langpack depends on the base package | May 26 15:41 |
| juhp | jni: or you mean a while to remove all langpacks for a lang? | May 26 15:41 |
| juhp | while-?way | May 26 15:41 |
| juhp | -> | May 26 15:41 |
| jni | juhp, I mean remove all langpacks for a specific lang. | May 26 15:42 |
| juhp | aha | May 26 15:42 |
| juhp | jni: so for that the meta-package would be better perhaps | May 26 15:42 |
| juhp | jni: I guess it could be done - it might already be there notting's initial version need to check | May 26 15:43 |
| juhp | anyway without metapackages need to think about the configuration mechanism | May 26 15:44 |
| jni | juhp, OK. | May 26 15:44 |
| juhp | # Imsettings for other window managers [dchen] | May 26 15:44 |
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| juhp | I think dychen_ wanted to talk about how to start IM for minimal desktop without desktop autostart | May 26 15:45 |
| tagoh3 | aha | May 26 15:45 |
| juhp | tagoh3, phuang_: any thoughts on that? | May 26 15:45 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: ah, no suggestions for that? ;) | May 26 15:45 |
| dychen_ | Hi, some user require that ibus can be start up with independent WM like fluxbox | May 26 15:45 |
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| dychen_ | tagoh3: Shall we asked them to start imsetting? Or | May 26 15:46 |
| phuang_ | dychen_, fluxbox session has dbus session bus? | May 26 15:46 |
| juhp | I guess users can just enable imsettings or IM in their ~/.xsession file or individual wm's do (or reinvent?) something, but is there anything we can to help make life easier for such power uers? | May 26 15:46 |
| juhp | users | May 26 15:46 |
| dychen_ | I come up with a small script that if it is not from GNOME, KDE, LXDE, or XFCE4, it launch IBUS? | May 26 15:47 |
| dychen_ | phuang_: No idea. | May 26 15:47 |
| tagoh3 | patching other WMs out to support xdg autostart would be the right way to go IMHO. | May 26 15:47 |
| juhp | phuang_: probably not | May 26 15:47 |
| juhp | tagoh3: ok - I guess reason they avoid that is that they may not want panel, etc | May 26 15:48 |
| phuang_ | I think in that case, user should modify the init scrip by self. WM is just a window manager, not a session manager | May 26 15:48 |
| dychen_ | tagoh3: And if they really want a minimal WM which omit the xdg autostart... | May 26 15:48 |
| dychen_ | phuang_: That's true.. | May 26 15:49 |
| juhp | phuang_: so just imsettings-start ibus ? | May 26 15:50 |
| phuang_ | In the customized X session, user should consider all by self. | May 26 15:50 |
| juhp | tagoh3: actually where does xinput.sh (50-xinput.sh) come in now? | May 26 15:50 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: it should works on Fedora at least so that all of desktop sessions are under the dbus session | May 26 15:50 |
| juhp | phuang_: what if there are not using custom scripts? | May 26 15:51 |
| phuang_ | juhp, I am not sure. if no dbus session bus, maybe imsettings can not work | May 26 15:51 |
| juhp | okay | May 26 15:51 |
| juhp | tagoh3: I see | May 26 15:51 |
| juhp | true | May 26 15:51 |
| dychen_ | phuang_: manually run ibus-daemon works in fluxbox at least. | May 26 15:51 |
| phuang_ | dychen_, yeah | May 26 15:51 |
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| tagoh3 | juhp: right now xinput.sh just sets the necessary env var or bring the process up as older way if no dbus session is available. | May 26 15:52 |
| phuang_ | but ibus-daemon in xinit script, and set some env by self | May 26 15:52 |
| juhp | tagoh3: aha | May 26 15:52 |
| dychen_ | phuang_: http://code.google.com/p/ibus/issues/detail?id=392&colspec=ID%20Component%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Milestone%20Owner%20Summary | May 26 15:52 |
| dychen_ | phuang_: I already told him so. | May 26 15:52 |
| juhp | okay we better move on? | May 26 15:53 |
| dychen_ | So we just tell him WONTFIX? | May 26 15:53 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: and if someone has DISABLE_IMSETTINGS explicitly - KDE does it now | May 26 15:53 |
| juhp | aha | May 26 15:54 |
| dychen_ | Oops, tagoh3, so it actually works for those WMs? | May 26 15:55 |
| juhp | dychen_: I guess imsettings is only available on fedora? | May 26 15:55 |
| juhp | dychen_: it might well do | May 26 15:55 |
| dychen_ | juhp: Let them port imsetting from Fedora . :-P | May 26 15:55 |
| juhp | :) | May 26 15:55 |
| juhp | dychen_: if they have then imsettings-start ibus may work | May 26 15:56 |
| phuang_ | dychen_, yeah. btw, fedora and debian have different X init scripts. We can not suit all of them. The init script should be maintained by different Linux distribution package maintainers or users self. | May 26 15:56 |
| juhp | phuang_: sure | May 26 15:56 |
| juhp | I am mainly thinking about fedora here | May 26 15:56 |
| dychen_ | phuang_: Ok. | May 26 15:56 |
| juhp | # KeyboardLayoutProposal [dchen] | May 26 15:56 |
| juhp | I heard there was a long thread about flags on f-d-l? | May 26 15:57 |
| juhp | which I didn't read ;o) | May 26 15:57 |
| juhp | dychen_: can you give us some background? | May 26 15:57 |
| paragn | yes 2-3 threads | May 26 15:57 |
| tagoh3 | just read a wiki only :) | May 26 15:57 |
| juhp | (or others) | May 26 15:57 |
| juhp | s/others/anyone/ | May 26 15:58 |
| dychen_ | It was about flags, but it is not that relevant to this proposal. | May 26 15:58 |
| juhp | tagoh3: about the flag guideline? | May 26 15:58 |
| juhp | dychen_: ok | May 26 15:58 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: right | May 26 15:58 |
| paragn | Package_Maintainers_Flags_Policy | May 26 15:58 |
| juhp | anyway no flags sounds good to me :) | May 26 15:58 |
| dychen_ | As an IM developer, I which to let my im suitable for all kind of keyboard, | May 26 15:59 |
| dychen_ | Unfortunately, the key layout setting is a mess to me. | May 26 15:59 |
| dychen_ | The country-oriented taxonomy produces redundancy, and may involve sensitive political issues. | May 26 16:00 |
| dychen_ | KeyboardLayoutProposal | May 26 16:01 |
| juhp | dychen_: to clarify your proposal is about categories/naming of kbd layouts? | May 26 16:01 |
| dychen_ | juhp: Yes | May 26 16:01 |
| juhp | dychen_: so how to use this taxonomy? :) | May 26 16:01 |
| dychen_ | juhp, in GDM keylayout, GNOME/KDE key layout setting. | May 26 16:02 |
| juhp | dychen_: so you're categorizing by placement of alphanum keys only? | May 26 16:02 |
| juhp | aha | May 26 16:02 |
| juhp | I see | May 26 16:02 |
| juhp | dychen_: what about non-technical users? | May 26 16:03 |
| dychen_ | juhp: alphabets, per se. | May 26 16:03 |
| dychen_ | Ask them to see their keyboard. | May 26 16:03 |
| juhp | aha | May 26 16:03 |
| juhp | ok | May 26 16:03 |
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| dychen_ | Actually default layout can be derived from locale. | May 26 16:04 |
| juhp | well I agree the current number of kbds listed is rather overwhelming | May 26 16:04 |
| sflanigan | As long as they get a sensible default layout from the locale, I think it should work well. | May 26 16:04 |
| juhp | dychen_: I guess it already is from anaconda? | May 26 16:04 |
| dychen_ | juhp, it is? | May 26 16:05 |
| juhp | or is it the other way? | May 26 16:05 |
| dychen_ | I'm not anconda guy... | May 26 16:05 |
| dychen_ | And I cannot even spell it correctly. :-P | May 26 16:06 |
| juhp | I am a little unsure but thought install lang sets the default choice of kbd | May 26 16:06 |
| juhp | at least for GUI perhaps | May 26 16:07 |
| juhp | maybe not TUI | May 26 16:07 |
| juhp | dychen_: do you want to suggest it to gnome? | May 26 16:07 |
| juhp | dychen_: I am not sure on the distribution of numbers though | May 26 16:08 |
| dychen_ | juhp, do you think it need more polish ? | May 26 16:08 |
| juhp | maybe most are qwerty anyway? | May 26 16:08 |
| dychen_ | juhp: That is kinda my point. | May 26 16:08 |
| juhp | dychen_: how about a blog post say to hear more opinions - I am not sure yet :) | May 26 16:08 |
| juhp | dychen_: to make it easy to find non-qwerty? | May 26 16:09 |
| dychen_ | juhp, will do. | May 26 16:09 |
| juhp | dychen_: I think MS uses tree for kbd/IM something like that /might/ be easier to navigate though I always found it a little ugly visually | May 26 16:10 |
| juhp | by lang | May 26 16:10 |
| juhp | but yeah it also involves a lot of duplication | May 26 16:10 |
| dychen_ | By lang is slightly better than countries.. | May 26 16:10 |
| juhp | dychen_: cool | May 26 16:10 |
| juhp | (oh might be country ;o) | May 26 16:11 |
| *tagoh3 isn't fully understanding this topic | May 26 16:11 | |
| dychen_ | But not as good as keyboard layout themselves. | May 26 16:11 |
| juhp | tagoh3: I think the idea is to improve the current linear list of kbds in gdm say | May 26 16:11 |
| sflanigan | As a Dvorak user, I approve this idea! :-) | May 26 16:12 |
| dychen_ | tagoh3: Just consider it as new interface of keyboard layout selection. | May 26 16:12 |
| tagoh3 | is there any much cases that need to modify the keyboard layout? thought X works fine to set up the default keyboard | May 26 16:12 |
| *juhp also finds it a little a annoying that gdm takes so long to list langs/kdb's | May 26 16:12 | |
| juhp | of course main problem is most people don't even see the settings ;o) | May 26 16:13 |
| juhp | sflanigan: ;) | May 26 16:13 |
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| dychen_ | tagoh3: I guess some user do need this kind of setting, as both KDE and GNOME have the indicator on their notification bar. | May 26 16:13 |
| juhp | tagoh3: Live? | May 26 16:13 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: I mean X do the right thing without the explicit sections for keyboard | May 26 16:14 |
| paragn | juhp, I guess thats because we have increased list of locales and from gdm-language.c it needs to construct language name by checking if translations are available for that language or not. Not sure though the real reason | May 26 16:14 |
| juhp | dychen_: gnome-keyboard-properties(?) may have a better navigation iirc | May 26 16:14 |
| tagoh3 | in xorg.conf | May 26 16:14 |
| juhp | paragn: yeah | May 26 16:14 |
| juhp | tagoh3: right | May 26 16:15 |
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| juhp | tagoh3: and ? :) | May 26 16:15 |
| juhp | dychen_: anyway thanks for the discussion point | May 26 16:16 |
| juhp | I think we are a bit over time so should probably close off the meeting soon | May 26 16:16 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: dunno if there are any reasons wants to use any other layout than detected one. if something is wrong there, it should be fixed rather than having such interface. | May 26 16:17 |
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| juhp | tagoh3: well they might want to select another kbd in anaconda, Live or for xkb switching in desktop - I think this discussion is just about config UI | May 26 16:18 |
| dychen_ | sflanigan: Is your layout successfully detected in text mode? | May 26 16:18 |
| sflanigan | I think I had to select it from a list. I remember wondering what the difference was between some of the Dvorak versions. | May 26 16:19 |
| juhp | of course if it was possible to detect kbds automatically problem would be solved... :) | May 26 16:19 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: ideally it should be gone for ordinary users IMHO. | May 26 16:19 |
| dychen_ | tagoh3: And I think laptop users might use 2 keyboard, built-in and external. | May 26 16:19 |
| juhp | we're still in the 20th there on PCs unfortunately | May 26 16:20 |
| sflanigan | I'm sure it would be, but it would take too much typing in some cases! | May 26 16:20 |
| phuang_ | dychen_, I think you should set keyboard for text mode. in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard | May 26 16:20 |
| juhp | tagoh3: gone? | May 26 16:20 |
| dychen_ | phuang_: How about the people who use 2 keyboards? | May 26 16:21 |
| juhp | (20th century) | May 26 16:21 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: configuration UI. better improving auto-detection :) | May 26 16:21 |
| juhp | tagoh3: that requires hw changes though AFAIK | May 26 16:21 |
| juhp | and PS/2 will never be supported I guess | May 26 16:21 |
| tagoh3 | recent hardware should works enough | May 26 16:22 |
| phuang_ | dychen_, it is a problem | May 26 16:22 |
| juhp | tagoh3: ok | May 26 16:23 |
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| phuang_ | dychen_, maybe the keyboard driver handle the different layouts. | May 26 16:23 |
| juhp | dychen_: that is good point | May 26 16:23 |
| dychen_ | sflanigan: Is that in your case? | May 26 16:23 |
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| juhp | - any other topics before we close the meeting? | May 26 16:24 |
| ivazquez | Has anyone had a chance to think over my proposal any further? | May 26 16:24 |
| sflanigan | dychen_, not sure what you mean. I'll talk later. | May 26 16:24 |
| juhp | ivazquez: olpc? | May 26 16:25 |
| ivazquez | ibus in sugar. | May 26 16:25 |
| dychen_ | sflanigan: what's layout of your laptop? | May 26 16:25 |
| juhp | sflanigan: your laptop has a US kbd I guess? | May 26 16:25 |
| dychen_ | s/layout/the layout/ | May 26 16:25 |
| sflanigan | Physically, it's just a QWERTY keyboard, but I've told Fedora I want Dvorak. | May 26 16:25 |
| juhp | phuang_: any thoughts on ibus for sugar | May 26 16:25 |
| juhp | ivazquez: does ibus work currently? | May 26 16:26 |
| ivazquez | I don't know, but I don't see why not. | May 26 16:26 |
| phuang_ | juhp, I am not familiar with sugar. | May 26 16:26 |
| dychen_ | So autodetection does not always works. | May 26 16:26 |
| ivazquez | SCIM supposedly works. | May 26 16:26 |
| juhp | ivazquez: I think it worked once when I tested it | May 26 16:26 |
| juhp | yeah | May 26 16:26 |
| ivazquez | ibus is a perfect match for sugar though. | May 26 16:27 |
| sflanigan | dychen_, the only way to detect the fact that I prefer Dvorak is for me to do a typing test, or simply ask me. You can't just ask the keyboard hardware. | May 26 16:27 |
| juhp | ivazquez: I guess it could be done but quite a lot of work for small gain? | May 26 16:27 |
| ivazquez | I don't think it would be that much work. | May 26 16:27 |
| juhp | phuang_: I think ivazquez was suggesting to have a ibus applet in sugar? | May 26 16:27 |
| juhp | ivazquez: ok | May 26 16:27 |
| ivazquez | sugar is already based on GTK+ and Python. | May 26 16:28 |
| ivazquez | It's just a matter of putting the icons in the correct places. | May 26 16:28 |
| juhp | sflanigan: but if you use your laptop kbd now it would be using dvorak layout, no? | May 26 16:28 |
| dychen_ | sflanigan, tagoh3, phuang_: That's why we still need an interface for user to select their keyboard layouot. | May 26 16:28 |
| juhp | ivazquez: ok - does it have a notification area kind of thing? | May 26 16:28 |
| ivazquez | It has the frame. | May 26 16:29 |
| juhp | okay | May 26 16:29 |
| ivazquez | So, yes. | May 26 16:29 |
| dychen_ | At least for the first time. | May 26 16:29 |
| sflanigan | juhp, that's right. I don't mind, personally, but it would be nice to configure separately. | May 26 16:29 |
| juhp | so we need ibus-sugar or sugar-ibus? | May 26 16:29 |
| juhp | sflanigan: right | May 26 16:29 |
| ivazquez | I'm thinking the latter. | May 26 16:29 |
| juhp | aha | May 26 16:29 |
| ivazquez | It would be an ibus addon to sugar. | May 26 16:29 |
| ivazquez | http://ivazquez.fedorapeople.org/files/sugar-ibus.png | May 26 16:29 |
| juhp | ivazquez: sounds like a nice little project | May 26 16:30 |
| juhp | ivazquez: where is the best place to learn how to use the frame? | May 26 16:30 |
| tagoh3 | instead of panel? | May 26 16:30 |
| ivazquez | The code for frame icons, control panel, and keybindings are readily available. | May 26 16:30 |
| juhp | ok | May 26 16:30 |
| ivazquez | Let me get the URLs... | May 26 16:30 |
| ivazquez | http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mainline/blobs/master/extensions/deviceicon/volume.py | May 26 16:30 |
| juhp | ivazquez: what about NM etc - do they use it too? | May 26 16:31 |
| ivazquez | http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mainline/trees/master/extensions/cpsection | May 26 16:31 |
| ivazquez | http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mainline/trees/master/extensions/globalkey | May 26 16:31 |
| phuang_ | I think I need do some investigation on sugar at first | May 26 16:31 |
| ivazquez | No. sugar does all sorts of extra magic to not need NM to show up on the panel. | May 26 16:31 |
| ivazquez | Specifically, the global view lets you select a mesh or AP in range, and enter a password. | May 26 16:31 |
| juhp | ok yeah | May 26 16:32 |
| juhp | cool | May 26 16:32 |
| juhp | ivazquez: thanks for the suggestion :) | May 26 16:32 |
| ivazquez | I'm willing to help out if anyone needs it. | May 26 16:33 |
| juhp | great | May 26 16:33 |
| juhp | ivazquez: are you working on sugar too these days? | May 26 16:33 |
| ivazquez | Not so much. | May 26 16:34 |
| ivazquez | I'm almost exclusively dealing with Transifex. | May 26 16:34 |
| juhp | ok I think we better stop the meeting about here - rather longer than I had expected :) | May 26 16:34 |
| ivazquez | I do some OLPC testing though. | May 26 16:34 |
| juhp | ivazquez: aha | May 26 16:34 |
| juhp | cool | May 26 16:34 |
| juhp | so if nothing else let's end the meeting | May 26 16:35 |
| juhp | thank you very much everyone! | May 26 16:35 |
| juhp | next meeting is in two weeks: 9 June | May 26 16:36 |
| juhp | # meeting closed | May 26 16:36 |
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