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| rnorwood | mizmo: is there a websites meeting today? | 16:18 |
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| mizmo | it looks like not | 16:19 |
| mizmo | it was supposed to be 17 min ago | 16:19 |
| mizmo | i have maybe 15 minutes before i have to go to anothe rmeeting | 16:19 |
| mizmo | do we want to do a quick run through? | 16:19 |
| ianweller | we could. | 16:19 |
| rnorwood | mizmo: k - I just told markg85 that there was one today, is all. :-) | 16:19 |
| * ianweller goes into meeting mode | 16:19 | |
| mizmo | markg85, you around? | 16:19 |
| * rnorwood takes a big step back | 16:20 | |
| * ricky is here, but not stable enough to lead a meeting | 16:20 | |
| mizmo | so lets see | 16:20 |
| mizmo | no juank_prada to give status on get fedora | 16:20 |
| mizmo | Craig Thomas isn't in the hosue is he? | 16:20 |
| mizmo | (what's his nick?) | 16:20 |
| ricky | giarc | 16:20 |
| ricky | He's not here :-/ | 16:21 |
| mizmo | spins.fpo - i can tell you no progress since last meeting | 16:21 |
| mizmo | it's a bit on the back burner for me now since i've been working on my fedora | 16:21 |
| mizmo | although the templates i'm writing for my fedora should be usable for spins as well | 16:21 |
| mizmo | ill give an update on my fedora later on | 16:21 |
| mizmo | ricky, you're next :) | 16:21 |
| ricky | What's the topic again? :-) | 16:21 |
| * ricky has to go in a minute or two | 16:21 | |
| mizmo | "We need a sitemap for www.fp.o and subdomains. What kind of release process should we have?" <= websites infrastructure | 16:21 |
| mizmo | ricky, any progress on that? | 16:22 |
| ricky | Nothing yet, sorry :-( | 16:22 |
| mizmo | it's all good | 16:22 |
| mizmo | common look and feel - docs.fpo | 16:22 |
| mizmo | tw2113, any progress to report? | 16:22 |
| * ricky hibernates | 16:22 | |
| mizmo | lol thanks ricky | 16:22 |
| mizmo | tw2113, if you come back let us know | 16:23 |
| ylynfatt | sorry I'm late | 16:23 |
| tw2113 | nothign since last time | 16:23 |
| tw2113 | last i knew, i was going to push what i had live | 16:23 |
| mizmo | tw2113, anything holding you up? | 16:23 |
| tw2113 | once i got in the cvs group | 16:23 |
| mizmo | tw2113, that can be helped with? | 16:23 |
| mizmo | are you still waiting on that tw2113 ? | 16:23 |
| tw2113 | lemme check quick | 16:23 |
| mizmo | okie | 16:23 |
| tw2113 | yeah, still pending | 16:24 |
| tw2113 | which is understandable with the infrastructure stuff lately | 16:24 |
| ylynfatt | fp.o/contact is still pending as well. | 16:24 |
| tw2113 | i'll look into getting this stuff pushed soon | 16:24 |
| mizmo | ylynfatt, are you held up by waiting on account permissions right now? | 16:24 |
| ylynfatt | mizmo: nope. Sorry I meant, it's still haven't finished it yet | 16:25 |
| mizmo | ylynfatt, oh okay cool | 16:25 |
| ylynfatt | needed to check on something | 16:26 |
| ylynfatt | It seems there is a Contact page on the wiki | 16:26 |
| mizmo | ylynfatt, you're looking to build a static one? | 16:26 |
| ylynfatt | that's what I thought was required | 16:26 |
| ianweller | do we really need a static one? | 16:26 |
| mizmo | (i haven't been to a meeting in a while so forgive my not knowing) | 16:26 |
| ylynfatt | but ianweller was wondering if we should just redirect it to the wiki page | 16:26 |
| ianweller | oh yeah i did post that to the list. | 16:27 |
| ylynfatt | hehe actually I think you just sent it to me ian | 16:27 |
| mizmo | so we need to make a decision on that | 16:27 |
| ylynfatt | unless you sent it out today. | 16:27 |
| ylynfatt | mizmo: yeah | 16:27 |
| mizmo | maybe if it only went private mail forward it to the whole list for discussion? | 16:27 |
| mizmo | can you do that ylynfatt ? | 16:27 |
| ylynfatt | just a sec let me check | 16:28 |
| ylynfatt | hmm...I'd have to resend later when I get home. Seems my email is down at the moment. | 16:29 |
| * quaid blows in rather late, btw, sorry | 16:29 | |
| mizmo | ylynfatt, okay | 16:30 |
| mizmo | the other thing i wanted to bring up | 16:30 |
| mizmo | that im adding to the list of tasks is the my fedora project | 16:30 |
| mizmo | its something J5 has been working on for a while | 16:30 |
| quaid | +1 | 16:30 |
| mizmo | eve and i started helping him out a couple weeks ago with mockups and stuff | 16:30 |
| mizmo | i've been meaning to do a full post on it on the websites list, hoping to have that done by end of tomorrow | 16:31 |
| mizmo | here's our mockups: | 16:31 |
| mizmo | MyFedora/Mockups | 16:31 |
| mizmo | right now our scope is that we are focusing on making current package maintainer processes more streamlined | 16:32 |
| mizmo | later on, we'll expand to make it easier for new packagers to get up to speed | 16:32 |
| mizmo | and beyond packagers/developers to more folks within the community | 16:32 |
| mizmo | also | 16:32 |
| mizmo | as part of the project i've been creating css styles that could be used in any fedora-related application | 16:32 |
| mizmo | that matches our new fpo template | 16:33 |
| mizmo | for an example you can see | 16:33 |
| mizmo | http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/My%20Fedora/html/ | 16:33 |
| mizmo | trying to define the css in layers - so it inherits in this order: | 16:33 |
| mizmo | fpo main css => fpo application chrome css => my fedora css | 16:33 |
| ylynfatt | looks good | 16:33 |
| mizmo | so any fedora app you want to write can go fpo main css => fpo application chrome => custom style sheet | 16:33 |
| mizmo | so | 16:33 |
| mizmo | i gotta run, i have a 4:30 meeting | 16:33 |
| ylynfatt | mizmo: k take care. | 16:34 |
| mizmo | if you folks want to continue go on ahead :) | 16:34 |
| mizmo | can anyone copy/paste the minutes and send to fedora-websites-list? it would be really helpful | 16:34 |
| mizmo | later! | 16:34 |
| *** mizmo is now known as mizmo-afk | 16:34 | |
| tw2113 | i have nothing to add at all | 16:34 |
| ylynfatt | nothing else from me at the moment. | 16:35 |
| *** CB6 has joined #fedora-websites | 16:35 | |
| quaid | would we say that _any_ web application, from CRUD code to design and CSS, is in the purview of Websites? | 16:35 |
| quaid | just curious .... | 16:35 |
| CB6 | hey guys is there a meeting this afternoon? | 16:35 |
| tw2113 | another straggler | 16:35 |
| CB6 | :O | 16:35 |
| quaid | Infra has said , iirc, that they don't really want to be in the business of writing apps | 16:36 |
| ianweller | whaaaat | 16:36 |
| quaid | which is a classic IT split -- infra over here, web developers right next to them, and in this case, people on all the same team | 16:36 |
| ylynfatt | yeah I'd think so quaid, but I'm a newbie, so I dunno what usually classifies as web vs. infrastructure. | 16:36 |
| quaid | ianweller: I'm not saying it right | 16:36 |
| quaid | what I'm wondering is | 16:36 |
| quaid | there are a lot of apps being worked on, maybe | 16:36 |
| quaid | should those be tracked in the Websites/Tasks? | 16:36 |
| quaid | e.g. My Fedora, has it's own feature page, etc., but | 16:37 |
| quaid | well, just wondering :) | 16:37 |
| quaid | ianweller: did I shock ya? | 16:37 |
| CB6 | he's half asleep apparently lol | 16:37 |
| ylynfatt | quaid: I always thought all of the apps were being done by the websites team. | 16:38 |
| quaid | I know Infra has been behind a bunch of app writing, that's not what I mean either | 16:38 |
| quaid | any SIG/sub-project can potentially write their own web apps, etc. | 16:38 |
| * ianweller is doing 80 different things at once. | 16:38 | |
| quaid | it's more that ... well, what is the "coordinating entity"? | 16:38 |
| quaid | is that Websites? | 16:39 |
| ianweller | infra runs the websites | 16:39 |
| ianweller | docs puts content on the websites, iirc | 16:39 |
| quaid | I'm wondering if more people want the benefits of that coordinating entity, but don't know it's here. | 16:39 |
| ianweller | websites designs the websites | 16:39 |
| ianweller | that's what i understand. | 16:39 |
| quaid | ianweller: graphical? or code? | 16:39 |
| quaid | I don't see any "codes the websites" in there | 16:40 |
| CB6 | shouldn't there be a joint meeting between websites and docs at least once a month? | 16:40 |
| quaid | run, document, design | 16:40 |
| tw2113 | feel free to organize one adam | 16:40 |
| quaid | CB6: there could be, but we have such personnel bleed over that I don't know if a regular one would do the same thing as our regular interaction. | 16:40 |
| ianweller | quaid: oh yeah, coding, too. | 16:40 |
| quaid | would have to find out | 16:40 |
| ianweller | art team does a little bit of design too i guess | 16:40 |
| quaid | ianweller: right, and that often | 16:40 |
| ianweller | it's all a giant mesh | 16:40 |
| quaid | ianweller: comes from all over, diff. SIGs | 16:41 |
| CB6 | quaid just wondering what kind of interaction with docs is since we compliment each other and their suggestions would be valued | 16:41 |
| quaid | so where is the coordinating entity? does there need to be one beyond the Feature process? | 16:41 |
| quaid | CB6: +1 for sure | 16:41 |
| CB6 | it's a conglomerate project so a few voices from other top team leaders would be cool | 16:41 |
| * quaid qualifies to speak for/with Docs, fwiw :) | 16:42 | |
| ianweller | one thing that i see about things not getting done is that i don't know if there's a set jurisdiction between the different sub-projects. | 16:42 |
| CB6 | You know how there's always someone on another team in major companies going, "I don't know why they didn't fix it." It's because THEY didn't communicate :P | 16:42 |
| ianweller | and it's especially more confusing when there are people on all the different teams | 16:42 |
| quaid | ianweller: there are a lot of people across sub-projects, but jurisdiction | 16:43 |
| quaid | there are some intuited jurisdictions | 16:43 |
| quaid | and within each group, a goal/mission statement that makes stuff clear(er) | 16:43 |
| CB6 | perhaps a form from the other teams specifying their needs or concerns on a monthly basis? | 16:43 |
| quaid | but Docs isn't in charge of producing all documentation | 16:43 |
| quaid | that's insane :) | 16:43 |
| ylynfatt | lol, I'm already confused. :P | 16:43 |
| quaid | sorry, I hoped it was a straightforward question | 16:44 |
| CB6 | ylynfatt it's really actually not as bad as it sounds... we're trying to streamline the communication channels :P | 16:44 |
| quaid | ianweller: there is more jursidiction than we realize | 16:44 |
| ianweller | yeah it's implied. | 16:44 |
| * tw2113 thinks there's slightly too many topics being discussed at one time | 16:44 | |
| ianweller | but what i'm saying is that sometimes it gets bent | 16:44 |
| ianweller | tw2113: possibly! | 16:44 |
| quaid | CB6: so far there aren't the sorts of problems within Fedora that you see in a big institution, but that might be a factor of our size; good to keep in mind as we grow to ensure that some process exists so that people can take a vaction. | 16:45 |
| CB6 | Essentially websites job is to get the voice of Fedora out there effectively to get points across | 16:45 |
| quaid | tw2113: +1 | 16:45 |
| quaid | I can take mine to the list | 16:45 |
| CB6 | Scaling is never that bad | 16:45 |
| quaid | ianweller: that is a good topic f-a-b | 16:46 |
| CB6 | I believe that's why CMS is so significant as it implies scaling | 16:46 |
| quaid | ianweller: a sort of jurisdictional chart | 16:46 |
| tw2113 | docs does the talking, websites makes the talking sound and look pretty, infrastructure makes it possible to do the talking | 16:46 |
| ylynfatt | CB6: yeah I understand what we are trying to do, what I was a little confused about was who is responsible for what, since we seem to have a bit of overlapping (unless I'm mistaken)? | 16:46 |
| CB6 | +1 on chart | 16:46 |
| ylynfatt | but I guess tw2113 is clearing that up now. | 16:46 |
| ylynfatt | +1 on chart as well | 16:46 |
| CB6 | ylynfatt absolutely and since it is overlapping I believe the communication barriers should be dropped | 16:47 |
| tw2113 | to me, there aren't a huge amount of barriors | 16:47 |
| tw2113 | ers* | 16:47 |
| ylynfatt | CB6: k | 16:47 |
| tw2113 | a lot of the docs people are also helping with the websites stuff | 16:47 |
| tw2113 | many people wear many hats here in Fedora | 16:47 |
| * CB6 wears the clown hat | 16:47 | |
| tw2113 | your hat has a maple leaf on it | 16:48 |
| ianweller | we definitely need a chart though. | 16:48 |
| ianweller | but this is maddening for a websites meeting. | 16:48 |
| CB6 | When I look at the current pages for each team the jurisdiction or coverage of what is done is rather bland | 16:48 |
| * ianweller blames himself for bringing it up | 16:48 | |
| CB6 | The Chart would solidify things | 16:48 |
| quaid | ok | 16:48 |
| quaid | we moved all the topics aside | 16:48 |
| quaid | I think | 16:48 |
| quaid | and found them homes | 16:49 |
| ianweller | CB6: the chart also must display where different subprojects collaborate. | 16:49 |
| quaid | so is there any _Websites_ topics | 16:49 |
| quaid | as we understand that mission to be :) | 16:49 |
| CB6 | +1 on that ian | 16:49 |
| ianweller | hehe | 16:49 |
| tw2113 | i think the websites meeting tasks are done for this week quaid | 16:49 |
| quaid | ok\ | 16:49 |
| CB6 | quaid what are we missing? | 16:49 |
| tw2113 | pretty quick meeting like last time, if i recall | 16:49 |
| * ianweller motions to close | 16:50 | |
| quaid | CB6: just making sure we have the meeting finished so the random discussion can be on-topic in a random channel :) | 16:50 |
| quaid | +1 to closing | 16:50 |
| tw2113 | 3rd'd | 16:50 |
| ianweller | </meeting> | 16:50 |
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