QA/Meetings/20121217

Attendees

• adamw (73)
• tflink (22)
• jreznik (9)
• kparal (5)
• Viking-Ice (5)
• zodbot (4)
• dgilmore (2)
• jsmith (2)
• mkrizek (1)
• satellit (1)
• pschindl (1)

Agenda

• Previous meeting follow-up
• Fedora 18 Final status and blocker review
• Test case / criteria revision
• Open floor

Previous meeting follow-up

• adamw to put packaging error criterion revision into production - this was done
• kparal to follow up on test@ discussion to explain the plan (re kickstart), and let anaconda team know - kparal has this in hand, test@ was notified
• tflink to clarify use of his fedup side repo - this was done - warning added to QA:Fedora_18_Upgrade_Testing
• viking-ice to let docs team know about advanced storage for release notes - viking opened a bug

Fedora 18 Final status and blocker review

• TC2 was done
• There was a signed shim and various other changes (new anaconda included) we needed to get into a TC3
• Blocker list was still considerable, adamw would send out a blocker status mail later
• Agreed to hold daily blocker/nth review meetings this week to try and get through the backlog
• jreznik was trying to clarify media-based upgrade status with wwoods

Open floor

N/A

Action items

• viking-ice to let docs team know about advanced storage for release notes

IRC Log

adamw	#startmeeting Fedora QA meeting	16:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Dec 17 16:00:24 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	16:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	16:00
adamw	#meetingname fedora-qa	16:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	16:00
adamw	#topic roll call	16:00
* jsmith is here		16:00
* mkrizek is here		16:01
* satellit listening		16:01
* kparal around		16:01
* tflink is here		16:01
adamw	morning all	16:02
* jreznik is here		16:03
adamw	#topic previous meeting follow-up	16:05
adamw	#chair kparal tflink	16:05
zodbot	Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink	16:05
* pschindl is here		16:05
adamw	"tflink to clarify use of his fedup side repo"	16:05
* adamw doesn't quite recall what that was in relation to, tflink?		16:06
tflink	this was people using the siderepo on my fedorapeople account for actual upgrades, not just upgrade testing	16:06
tflink	I added a warning to the wiki page containing the url to that repo	16:07
kparal	tflink: which page?	16:07
adamw	oh right. good	16:08
tflink	kparal: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_18_Upgrade_Testing	16:08
adamw	#info "tflink to clarify use of his fedup side repo" this was done - warning added to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_18_Upgrade_Testing	16:08
adamw	"viking-ice to let docs team know about advanced storage for release notes"	16:09
kparal	ah, that's the one I couldn't find today	16:09
tflink	which is horribly out of date at this point	16:09
adamw	we appear to be be short one viking this morning, but lemme check the archives	16:09
adamw	i don't see anything relating to this in the docs list archive	16:10
adamw	#info "viking-ice to let docs team know about advanced storage for release notes" - viking-ice not present, no indication in docs list archive that this was done	16:10
adamw	let's roll the action item over for next week	16:10
adamw	#action viking-ice to let docs team know about advanced storage for release notes	16:10
adamw	"adamw to put packaging error criterion revision into production"	16:11
adamw	this is done. the pause at the start of the meeting was not IN ANY WAY AT ALL to do with me doing this. *koff*	16:11
adamw	#info "adamw to put packaging error criterion revision into production" - this is done	16:11
adamw	"kparal to follow up on test@ discussion to explain the plan, and let anaconda team know" - i believe this was in relation to kickstart	16:12
kparal	yes, I replied to the test list and I'll revive the thread and notify anaconda-devel once F18 is out	16:12
adamw	coolbeans	16:13
adamw	#info "kparal to follow up on test@ discussion to explain the plan, and let anaconda team know" - kparal has this in hand, test@ was notified	16:13
adamw	#topic Fedora 18 Final status and blocker review	16:14
adamw	#info TC2 is out	16:14
adamw	#info there is a signed shim and various other changes (new anaconda included) we need to get into a TC3 today	16:14
tflink	I think that both releng and I had issues getting TC3 (ish) to build	16:14
adamw	#info blocker list is still considerable, i will send out a blocker status mail later today	16:14
adamw	yeah, i know, that's why it didn't happen yet	16:15
adamw	lorax complaining about nothing providing shim even though shim-signed does, right?	16:15
tflink	ok, I didn't end up figuring out why a smoke build didn't work but it sounded like dgilmore understood what was going on a bit better than I did	16:15
adamw	i don't know why no-one just slapped together a lorax that looked for shim-signed, but hey.	16:15
tflink	I haven't looked at it since friday night, don't remember 100% ATM	16:15
adamw	so anyway, we'll clear that up today and get rolling	16:15
dgilmore	tflink: i know whats going on should have a fix soon	16:16
adamw	dgilmore: cool, thanks	16:16
tflink	dgilmore: awesome to hear	16:16
adamw	#info dgilmore is on top of tc3 compose problems	16:16
dgilmore	should have it this morning	16:16
adamw	we also have concerns about fedup secure/media-based upgrades, though i guess we can kick that to fesco	16:17
tflink	I have a subtopic before we move on to blocker review	16:17
adamw	ok	16:17
tflink	which is blocker/NTH review - I'm starting to wonder if we just need to have daily meetings until we get through them all since we're so close to release	16:18
tflink	... and remove all sharp/dangerous objects from the people in those meetings	16:18
tflink	s/from/from around/	16:19
adamw	it's a terrible idea but better than any other terrible idea i can think of.	16:19
adamw	we at least need to knock off all the proposed blockers.	16:19
tflink	I don't like it either but I don't have a better solution right now	16:19
tflink	I really don't like the idea that we're not through the list this late	16:19
adamw	btw, a chunk of stuff on the proposed nth list is related, if you didn't catch that - dledford proposed a chunk of bugs related to two updates as nth	16:19
adamw	yeah, no, i agree	16:19
adamw	anyone have a less awful idea?	16:20
tflink	I don't really understand most of them, though - I assume you're talking about the rdma bugs?	16:20
tflink	ifcfg-ib etc.	16:21
adamw	yeah. we can talk about that when we get to it anyhow, but when we do, we should take 'em as a pack	16:21
tflink	unfortunately, I'm not hearing any counter-proposals :(	16:23
adamw	nope, so bureaucracy it is.	16:23
adamw	#info there will be daily blocker/nth review meetings this week to try and get through the backlog	16:23
tflink	on the bright side, I don't think that many NTHs will provoke long discussion	16:24
adamw	if we ever get to 'em.	16:24
jreznik	for fedup, I just sent wwoods email to clarify media based upgrades...	16:24
adamw	so, any other general f18 status concerns/thoughts?	16:24
adamw	#info jreznik trying to clarify media-based upgrade status with wwoods	16:24
tflink	does being ready for release as planned count?	16:25
adamw	heh.	16:25
adamw	actually, shall we do what we did last week, and close this meeting before we do blocker review?	16:26
adamw	i just had open floor listed after this	16:26
tflink	works for me	16:26
kparal	adamw: +1	16:27
adamw	okay then	16:27
adamw	#info we'll finish this meeting then go on to blocker review in #fedora-qa	16:27
adamw	#topic Open floor	16:27
adamw	so...any other business?	16:27
adamw	apparently not!	16:30
adamw	i know this cycle is getting wearing...still, finish line is kinda in sight	16:30
jreznik	pygobject3	16:30
adamw	oh, for firewalld?	16:30
adamw	it's on the NTH list, right?	16:30
jreznik	no	16:30
adamw	yes	16:31
jreznik	that's why I raised it now (or I'm just blind)	16:31
adamw	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874378	16:31
adamw	put that one on the nth-high-priority list tflink?	16:31
adamw	actually it'd be good to weed an NTH high-priority list in today's review	16:31
jreznik	ok, it's still marked as firewalld	16:31
adamw	jreznik: there are two bugs	16:31
adamw	i picked that one for nth nomination more or less at random	16:32
jreznik	adamw: yep, high prio as fesco request this to be in final	16:32
adamw	tflink: i think i already pulled in some proposed NTH fixes to TC requests, so be good to sign off on those	16:32
adamw	tflink: so, blocker review starting in -qa in a couple of minutes?	16:32
tflink	-bugzappers	16:32
Viking-Ice	Sorry was dealing with few issues @dayjob	16:32
adamw	ah	16:32
jreznik	and thanks goes to halfline, the only one who offered the help to fix it :)	16:32
adamw	Viking-Ice: what's the status of your notifying-docs-team-about-advanced-storage action item?	16:33
Viking-Ice	adamw, I open a bug against documentation which is afaik the proper procedure to do so	16:33
adamw	ah, cool	16:34
Viking-Ice	885808	16:34
adamw	#info on action item "viking-ice to let docs team know about advanced storage for release notes" - viking opened a bug, 885808	16:34
adamw	i'm not gonna #undo all the way back there, but count it as done, i won't put it on next week's follow-up list	16:34
Viking-Ice	I expect the docs team to take it from there	16:35
adamw	blocker review in -bugzappers in a few minutes, everyone	16:35
* adamw sets fuse for 2 minutes		16:35
adamw	Viking-Ice: yup, sounds right to me	16:35
* jreznik is going to take a quick snack before blocker review		16:35
* Viking-Ice returns to work		16:35
jsmith	jreznik: Good idea :-)	16:36
adamw	#endmeeting	16:40

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